Elon Musk’s Vision Of Trust & Safety: Neither Safe Nor Trustworthy
from the who-could-have-predicted-it? dept
Even as Elon first made his bid for Twitter, we highlighted just how little he understood about content moderation and trust & safety. And, that really matters, because, as Nilay Patel pointed out, managing trust & safety basically is the core business of a social media company: “The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation.” But, Elon had such a naïve and simplistic understanding (“delete wrong and bad content, but leave the rest”) of trust & safety that it’s no wonder advertisers (who keep the site in business) have abandoned the site in droves.
We even tried to warn Elon about how this would go, and he chose to go his own way, and now we’re seeing the results… and it’s not good. Not good at all. It’s become pretty clear that Elon believes that trust & safety should solely be about keeping him untroubled. His one major policy change (despite promising otherwise) was to ban an account tweeting public information, claiming (falsely) that it was a threat to his personal safety (while simultaneously putting his own employees at risk).
Last week, Twitter excitedly rolled out its new policy on “violent speech,” which (hilariously) resulted in his biggest fans cheering on this policy despite it being basically identical to the old policy, which they claimed they hated. Indeed, the big change was basically that the new rules are written in way that is way more subjective than the old policy, meaning that Twitter and Musk can basically apply them much more arbitrarily (which was a big complaint about the old policies).
Either way, as we noted recently, by basically firing nearly everyone who handled trust & safety at the company, Twitter was seeing its moderation efforts falling apart, raising all sorts of alarms.
A new investigative report from the BBC Panorama details just how bad it’s gotten. Talking to both current and former Twitter employees, the report highlights a number of ways in which Twitter is simply unable to do anything about abuse and harassment.
- Concerns that child sexual exploitation is on the rise on Twitter and not being sufficiently raised with law enforcement
- Targeted harassment campaigns aimed at curbing freedom of expression, and foreign influence operations – once removed daily from Twitter – are going “undetected”, according to a recent employee.
- Exclusive data showing how misogynistic online hate targeting me is on the rise since the takeover, and that there has been a 69% increase in new accounts following misogynistic and abusive profiles.
- Rape survivors have been targeted by accounts that have become more active since the takeover, with indications they’ve been reinstated or newly created.
Among things noted in that report is that Elon himself doesn’t trust any of Twitter’s old employees (which is perhaps why he keeps laying them off despite promising the layoffs were done), and goes everywhere in the company with bodyguards. Apparently, Elon believes in modeling “trust & safety” by not trusting his employees, and making sure that his own safety is the only safety that matters.
Also, an interesting tidbit is that Twitter’s interesting “nudge” experiment (in which it would detect if you were about to say something that might escalate a flame war, and suggest you give it a second thought — an experiment that was generally seen as having a positive impact) seems to be either dead or on life support.
“Overall 60% of users deleted or edited their reply when given a chance through the nudge,” she says. “But what was more interesting, is that after we nudged people once, they composed 11% fewer harmful replies in the future.”
These safety features were being implemented around the time my abuse on Twitter seemed to reduce, according to data collated by the University of Sheffield and International Center for Journalists. It’s impossible to directly correlate the two, but given what the evidence tells us about the efficacy of these measures, it’s possible to draw a link.
But after Mr Musk took over the social media company in late October 2022, Lisa’s entire team was laid off, and she herself chose to leave in late November. I asked Ms Jennings Young what happened to features like the harmful reply nudge.
“There’s no-one there to work on that at this time,” she told me. She has no idea what has happened to the projects she was doing.
So we tried an experiment.
She suggested a tweet that she would have expected to trigger a nudge. “Twitter employees are lazy losers, jump off the Golden Gate bridge and die.” I shared it on a private profile in response to one of her tweets, but to Ms Jennings Young’s surprise, no nudge was sent.
Meanwhile, a New York Times piece is detailing some of the real world impact of Musk’s absolute failures: Chinese activists, who have long relied on Twitter, can no longer do so. Apparently, their reporting on protests in Beijing was silenced, after Twitter… classified them as spam and “government disinformation.”
The issues have also meant that leading Chinese voices on Twitter were muffled at a crucial political moment, even though Mr. Musk has championed free speech. In November, protesters in dozens of Chinese cities objected to President Xi Jinping’s restrictive “zero Covid” policies, in some of the most widespread demonstrations in a generation.
The issues faced by the Chinese activists’ Twitter accounts were rooted in mistakes in the company’s automated systems, which are intended to filter out spam and government disinformation campaigns, four people with knowledge of the service said.
These systems were once routinely monitored, with mistakes regularly addressed by staff. But a team that cleaned up spam and countered influence operations and had about 50 people at its peak, with about a third in Asia, was cut to single digits in recent layoffs and departures, two of the people said. The division head for the Asia-Pacific region, whose responsibilities include the Chinese activist accounts, was laid off in January. Twitter’s resources dedicated to supervising content moderation for Chinese-language posts have been drastically reduced, the people said.
So when some Twitter systems recently failed to differentiate between a Chinese disinformation campaign and genuine accounts, that led to some accounts of Chinese activists and dissidents being difficult to find, the people said.
The article also notes that for all of Elon’s talk about supporting “free speech” and no longer banning accounts, a bunch of Chinese activists have had their accounts banned.
Some Chinese activists said their Twitter accounts were also suspended in recent weeks with no explanation.
“I didn’t understand what was going on,” said Wang Qingpeng, a human rights lawyer based in Seattle whose Twitter account was suspended on Dec. 15. “My account isn’t liberal or conservative, I never write in English, and I only focus on Chinese human rights issues.”
And, perhaps the saddest anecdote in the whole story:
Shen Liangqing, 60, a writer in China’s Anhui province who has spent over six years in jail for his political activism, said he has cherished speaking his mind on Twitter. But when his account was abruptly suspended in January, it reminded him of China’s censorship, he said.
So, Elon’s plan to focus on “free speech” means he’s brought back accounts of harassers and grifters, but he’s suspending actual free speech activists, while the company’s remaining trust & safety workers can’t actually handle the influx of nonsense, and they’ve rewritten policies to let them be much more arbitrary (and it’s becoming increasingly clear that much of the decision-making is based on what makes Elon feel best, rather than what’s actually best for users of the site).
Last week, we wrote about how Musk has insisted over and over again that the “key to trust” is “transparency,” but since he’s taken over, the company has become less transparent.
So combine all of this, and we see that Elon’s vision of “trust & safety” means way less trust, according to Elon’s own measure (and none from Elon to his own employees), and “safety” means pretty much everyone on the site is way less safe.
Filed Under: abuse, activism, content moderation, elon musk, free speech, harassment, nudge, safety, transparency, trust, trust & safety
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Techdirt lost all credibility so Masnick lashes out
Sorry, not sorry, Masnick. I look forward to another smear piece, from you and your so-called “journalist” that never talk to whomever they write smear pieces about, neither go to places they write about. You should have stuck to writing about the copyright industry’s corruption than resorting to tabloid garbage.
I look forward to the smears in the comments to follow.
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Hi, Elon! Welcome to Techdirt.
Y’know, if Elon Musk really was the big business genuis and smart tech guy and compassionate human being that he and his sycophant followers seem to believe he is, you’d think we would’ve seen evidence of that by now. And yet…
Masnick’s Impossibility Theorem states that “Content moderation is impossible to do well at scale.”
Twitter is showing what happens to content moderation if you Just. Don’t. Care.
With Elon, the key to trust and safety apparently is sucking up to violent, totalitarian regimes.
While simultaneously pissing off and shutting down free speech of those who need their voices to be heard.
Truly, he never left Apartheid South Africa despite physically leaving the country.
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Are we sure he’s not a Republican?
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The only difference between a Republican and Elon is that Elon isn’t a politician, merely a soulless psychopath of a man who just happens to own a few private business ventures.
That is, he can’t be convicted of treason or collusion, but there may be ways to force a “crime against humanity” charge to stick to him.
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his defense would be “being a thread to humanity is the core of my existence!”. Then you’d have trouble arguing that “your existence” is a crime against humanity (though in this case it probably should be).
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Anyone can be convicted of treason; it isn’t limited to government officials.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S3-C1-2/ALDE_00013525/
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Y’know that reads like a parody, right?
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He basically is:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-will-vote-republican-next-us-presidential-election-2022-5
Despite recent evidence, he isn’t completely stupid and knew enough to pretend to be a Democrat while he was in the business of promoting green energy, transport and science in opposition to traditionally entrenched “conservatives”. Now, he’s platforming hate and right-wing culture war nonsense, so he’ll go where he thinks he’ll get more money/support.
Whether that makes him a “true” Republican as in actually believing the nonsense or he’s just going where the money is, who knows, but I dare say few of his actual displayed values differ in any real meaningful sense.
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Or alternatively, he was instinctively a democrat for many years until dumb progressive policies red-pilled him.
I find it funny how much you guys hate ex-liberals.
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I find it funny how much you are a whiney bitch.
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Whilst his post gets flagged by whiney bitches
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[Asserts facts not in evidence]
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Yeah, he’s platforming right-wing culture war nonsense, right-wing hate speech, and repealing bans of medical scientists, and abusing freedom of speech. Feel my irony.
The American left allegedly supports minorities, but hates the fact that Elon Musk unbanned Andrew Tate who has a huge following of many millions of muslims.
I only recognize leftists in the US calling critique of wokeism hate speech. All those opinions of cultural values that the American right adresses is common sense everywhere in Europe and in the entire world.
The corporate media is brainwashing the American left.
I have figured out Elon’s plan, he is out to destroy 8kun by getting its users to move over to twitter.
Musk’s version of “free speech” is “speech I don’t disagree with.” Unfortunately, there’s a substantial portion of the U.S. population that shares that definition, including much of a political party, which doesn’t bode well for the future of democracy. R.I.P First Amendment. You lived for nearly 250 years.
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What are you basing that on? The scientists that had their bans repealed? The people with million of followers from every corner in the world that had their band repealed such as Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, and Donald Trump? May I ask: Do you follow other news than corporate news?
elmo is such an internet slumlord
Why don’t all agree to just call Elmo’s new toy “Truth Social Lite” and be done with it.
sumgai
“Exclusive data showing how misogynistic online hate targeting me is on the rise since the takeover…“
I think that’s supposed to read “misogynistic online hate targeting women.”
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Or “misogynistic online hate targeting men [directed toward women].”
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Nope! It’s a direct quote. From the original BBC article:
“It turns out, I was right. A team from the International Center for Journalists and the University of Sheffield have been tracking the hate I receive, and their data revealed the abuse targeted at me on Twitter had more than tripled since Mr Musk took over, compared with the same period in the year before.”
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Defund the Speech Police
Trust and safety is just a fig leaf for censorship. Speech only needs to be trusted by those who can’t think for themselves. Safe speech is only necessary for the easily offended. Numerous social media sites experienced exponential growth prior to hiring an army of so-called moderators. They’ll probably be fine with a smaller and more focused team.
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Yes or no, Koby: Do you believe the government should have the legal right to compel any privately owned interactive web service into hosting legally protected speech that the owners/operators of said service don’t want to host?
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So nice of Koby to clearly respond to your question. Glade they were able to come out an own up to what they believe, and what (coherent) point they are trying to make.
Oh wait, sorry wrong reality,
n/m.
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As always, you want to speak in terms of force because you liked the censorship that the old management provided for you (especially in retrospect), and you want to claim that the only way for large generic speech platforms not to censor is if the government forces them not to.
But of course that is false and stupid. In a society that has freedom of speech as a foundational value, large generic speech platforms should voluntarily not censor opinions based on viewpoint because that is the wrong thing to do, not because they have been forced. And if they do censor in this way, they should be encouraged, shamed, or bought to get them to change their behavior.
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Welcome to Coneria! Now go roll in the mud somewhere else.
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..said nobody mentally competent, ever.
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What opinions based on viewpoint have been censored?
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See this is funny, because you think that doesn’t have an answer, or that you can argue it. It’s a sea lion question.
The answer is of course “many”, but one irrefutable case is the opinion that “‘Transwomen’ are not real women”, or the reverse. That’s an opinion of real contention and voicing it on twitter was 100% banned for many years.
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Your claiming that it worked that way doesn’t make it so. Please provide evidence to go with your assertion.
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This. This is why I think you’re dumb.
Do you fucking google? Read the news? That’s WHY Babylon Bee got banned. Which is WHY Musk bought Twitter.
Your ignorance is not my lack of source. I mean I could spend 30 sec googling it, but….why? If you’re this unaware of current events there’s no point.
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No. Absofuckinglutly NO.
The burden of proof of one’s assertion always lays upon the proponent, not on the any other party. Lacking any display or offer of proof does not automatically confer the honorific of “BullShit”, but then again, it does tend to bias the other party’s viewpoint towards that proponent in any further discussions. That’s just the nature of the beast.
There are no other options in how to explain this to you, Bennett. You are the one flashing swords with Zorro here, (most of) the rest of us here are just sitting back in our comfy chairs, watching the results of our education system not doing enough to encourage people to think for themselves. And to do it with a highly discerning mindset at that.
Shit, even Koby isn’t as blind as you are, at least when he gets away from the topic of ‘government silencing Republican voices’, he’s more than a bit literate. It almost pains me that I can’t say the same for you.
sumgai
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About quite possibly the BIGGEST story involving twitter? Lol, fuck you, no.
Get fucked. Like fuck all the way over there with that bullshit.
If you aren’t familiar that one fact (i.e. deadnaming/misgendering getting you banned from twitter) then there simply isn’t any purpose to discussing the issue with you. You don’t know anything about the subject and shouldn’t be debating it. If you DO know it, then you’re just wasting my time, on purpose.
And if you want to muster fake outrage (or real outrage, ironically even dumber in this case) over that then you are are also wasting my time and can be disregarded.
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Eh….You are the only one wasting your time. Fuck off fascist.
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Ironically, [Citation needed]
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Your ignorance is not my lack of source. I mean I could spend 30 sec googling it, but….why? If you’re this unaware of current events there’s no point.
Another RHR with the longhand form of ‘educate yourself’ on display.
Which is WHY Musk bought Twitter.
If censorship has been eliminated through Musk buying Twitter, what in the fucking fuck is your stupid fucking ass still bitching about?
Go fuck off on Twitter and enjoy your freedumb, you simple minded douchetard! What are you doing here wallowing in censorship, bitching like you have a perpetual period and a shortage of maxi pads?
Go freeze peach your fucking empty head off whydoncha, among the rest of freshly liberated morons on Twitter. You probably have so much to talk about, now that you actually can, amirite?
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Saying “freeze peach” is emblematic of why woke ideology is a poison that must be purged from the body of society before society is destroyed. Of course woke ideologues despise the freedom to call their ideology a lie; the only speech they would allow is speech that agrees with their own lies.
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Hi ‘woke ideologues’ guy! I knew my woke self would hear from your sleepy ass at some point, with the same drivel that only a semi-conscious comatose halfwit could copy/paste.
I’ll use my freedom of speech any way my woke self likes, thanks. You can always ignore it or go fuck yourself as far as me and my wokeness is concerned.
Go have yourself a woke kind of day!
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Go ahead, post with your real name and write you unaware that “deadnaming” and “misgendering” were bannable offenses on Twitter. Just tell the world you’re a fucking idiot.
Hypocrisy, primarily, thanks for asking.
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Go ahead, post with your real name and write you unaware that “deadnaming” and “misgendering” were bannable offenses on Twitter. Just tell the world you’re a fucking idiot.
Well that’s a 180. A minute ago you were telling us to go ‘research for ourselves.’ Now you’re complaining that our research is different than yours? Well, that’s what happens every time with the ‘educate yourself’ crowd. You always seem to have this bizarro google that you use.
Hypocrisy, primarily, thanks for asking.
Oh yeah, sure. Most important thing that you people have been complaining about for the last 5-6 years FINALLY goes your way. And instead of going there, you’re here where censorship thrives and freeze peach goes to die.
I’m smelling your pathetic bullshit from here, Mattie. And it ain’t pretty you lying sack of shit, you.
I bet your stupid fucking ass doesn’t even have a Twitter account.
Any other commenter want to set some odds? We can get a pool going, for bragging rights anyways.
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…..no. You like, read, right?
Are you seriously pretending to be unaware of — or perhaps even more hilariously contesting — that Twitter routinely banned people for “deadnaming” and “misgendering”?
This is an elaborate troll, right?
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Are you seriously pretending to be unaware of — or perhaps even more hilariously contesting — that Twitter routinely banned people for “deadnaming” and “misgendering”?
My personal experience doesn’t support those accusations. Perhaps you’re more aware of them because the people you associate with are assholes, and mine are not.
I certainly can’t help your poor choice of company, Matt.
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it’s not “personal experience” you fucking idiot, it was a major news story! A well known part of their TOS!
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Seems like it would have been easy for you to link to then, asshole.
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Yes, because it is a form of harassment towards transgender folk.
Much like ypur beligerent attitude ever since your first post, terrorist.
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I mean, it wasn’t in a lot of cases, but even this idiot knows about it.
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It actually is.
And used to annoying effect in court by at least one transgender person.
And I don’t hate minorities in general.
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No, your lack of source is the lack of source. So either put up or shut up.
This. This is why I think you’re dumb. As per usual, you’re either wrong or intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
Babylon Bee wasn’t technically banned, they were suspended for 12 hours if they deleted the tweet that got them in trouble, which they refused to do. This means that they were practically suspended indefinitely.
Secondly, they weren’t suspended for saying “transwomen aren’t real women”, they were suspended for mockingly awarding the title “Man Of The Year” to a transwoman. If you think that’s the same thing, you’re an idiot.
In conclusion, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Again.
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I mean, they were banned. but you’re aware of the story, and the policy, so why are you being a fucking dumbass about it?
It is very literally the same thing.
So anyway, now we’ve established you actually knew all this and were just wasting my time so you could argue semantics. THAT FITS
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The Babylon Bee has been banned from using someone else’s website! This is censorship. It’s not as if the Babylon Bee has an easy way, such as its own website, to get its opinions out without fear of being silenced.
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Yes.
That does not make it not censorship. You people literally just make new definitions of things that only you use and it’s kinda funny.
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That does not make it not censorship.
Seriously, what in the fuck are you talking about? That’s just bullshit. If the content of my website gets pulled down from Twitter or Facebook, I’ve been censored?
In what fucking universe you fucking nut?
You’ve got to be the most full of shit red hat retard I’ve ever come across. Do yourself a favor and stop doubling down on this bullshit nonsense day in and day out.
You look fucking stupid.
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So you want to be able to abuse and harass trans people because you’re an asshole who can’t fathom other people’s different life experiences and don’t believe they should be able to live their live peacefully without you forcing your beliefs on them. Good to know.
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Not at all, nor did I say anything of the kind or say anything to give you reason to suggest it. Just more liberals finding an excuse to call someone a bigot, regardless of whether it makes sense.
It is, however, an incontrovertible example of viewpoint discrimination.
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Sure Jan.
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You sure do say a lot of shit that doesn’t mean much.
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And yet his post have more meaning than your worthless drivel.
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You may be correct in that assessment, but most normal humans that have the slightest sense of empathy, compassion, and acceptance of our fellow humans, do not want to be associated with transphobia and would rather not see that show up in our timeline.
That you call it viewpoint discrimination doesn’t change the fact that only fucking assholes espouse that particular viewpoint.
So if that is one of the “conservative” viewpoints that is being discriminated, the so be it, an anti-trans viewpoint does not deserve to use Twitter as their soap box.
Don’t like it, tough fucking luck, deal with it or fuck off to Truth.
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All you’re trying to do is trying to elevate a political disagreement into “bigotry” in order to pretend you have the moral high ground and it’s an old old liberal game and we (conservatives) are fucking tired of it.
But no, most Americans do NOT buy into the “transwomen are LITERALLY women”, and no, you don’t get to mandate the inclusion of biological men into women’s sports, prisons, or shelters nor mandate the mutilation of young children just by calling someone a bigot, sorry.
You’re trying to make this the same as saying the N-word, and it’s just not, sorry, and for that matter people should be able to say the N-word too, k, thx.
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Transphobia is not a political disagreement, no matter how you look at it.
The only thing that makes it political is that transphobia is almost always spewed from “conservative republicans.”
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Of course it is.
You and I don’t even agree on what “Transphobia” is. Cuz it’s definitely not being against women having to fight men in boxing, or whatever.
Seriously, this is fucking dumb. You can’t just say that whatever you disagree with is “bigotry” and therefore you don’t have to defend your position. I mean I know you idiots try (oh gawd do you try), but it doesn’t actually work.
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For you to be so upset about the above one would think it’s happening all over the country where trans women dominates women’s sports, prisons and shelters while a boat load of parents send their children off to be surgically altered. Also, no one fucking thinks transwomen are literally women, that’s you and the other bigots making a strawman up to attack.
Now, tell us how many transwomen or transmen have forced themselves onto sports teams, prisons or shelters and how many actual children per year have reassignment surgery without going through a battery of psychological and physical evaluations? It should be easy for you to answer, but per your usual behavior you are going to be a coward and deflect.
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Oh, so you don’t read the news.
Oh, so you don’t read the news….or slogans for that matter.
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I’ll take the words of actual trans atheletes over your terroristic speech.
Which never happened. The transgender convict involved was convicted of rape AS A MAN, then transitiioned and it turns out that the convict in question was never even released into the general population and remanded in a separate facility while awaiting that decision.
Which is also standard practice in… oh, Great Britain. Quite a pleasant surprise, since, yanno, Great Britain…
Circumsicion is done more by the religious majority. I’ll at least give the Catholics some credit and say some of their circumcisions happen to be done on adults.
Gender reassignment surgery remains extremely hard to get, is a method of last resort and jas to be approved by a team of doctors in DIFFERENT fields before it is done.
But then again, you don’t seem to care about facts and context.
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Hyman won’t. And that’s the funny thing about all his anti-trans bullshit: He never listens to trans people. Oh, sure, he’ll tell you stories about what trans people are supposedly doing, but at best, those are all secondhand accounts of questionable credibility. He’ll never read books or articles written by trans people, follow the social media accounts of trans people, or talk to an actual trans person (in cyber- or meatspace) unless they’re willing to confirm his “all trans people are trying to woke everyone’s gender without their permission” biases. It’s no wonder, then, that he refuses to condemn violent anti-trans rhetoric without finding some way of sneaking in his more “polite” anti-trans rhetoric. That also helps the anti-trans cause by trying to move the Overton Window so that the lesser of two evils (his “polite” anti-trans rhetoric) becomes normalized and acceptable while the greater of those evils (the violent rhetoric) remains an outlier…for now.
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Huh
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Same applies to you, terrorist.
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Why, actually? Do they get more of a say than the women they’re competing against? What about all those statistics that say they perform much better than natural born women? It is definitely not only their opinion that matters, quite the opposite.
Um…what? You seem to think I am referring to one specific case, but not only has this happened, it’s happened numerous times already. I can think of a half dozen stories that made the news, and of course there’s many that didn’t.
I stopped reading there, you’re just not smart enough.
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[Bratty Matty hallucinates facts not in evidence]
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What’s funny about this question is that it’s far, far, far easier for a 16-year-old cis girl to get breast enhancement surgery than for a 16-year-old trans boy to get a mastectomy. Hell, most of the hormone treatments and gender-affirming surgeries around the world are given to cis people—and often with far less consultation and evaluation than is associated with those treatments in re: trans people.
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The problem is that in a lot of those cases those evaluations are performed by people who solely want the trans outcome. There are, also, immense financial motivations and sadly no, you can’t pretend doctors are above that.
The fact is the % of people who want to reverse whichever procedure is horrifically high (you can argue about how high, but it’s high). This stuff just shouldn’t be done to minors. They don’t know and the actors involved aren’t neutral. It’s sterilizing in a lot of cases.
I’m against that too, actually, but at least that is easily reversible.
AFAIK that’s not true. Lots of hormones, including sex hormones (hormones are a giant category) are prescribed for lots of reasons of course but they are prescribed and usually in a much more limited way to correct some specific disfunction.
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You calling it a fact does not make it so.
Where is your citation that proves this assertion?
Otherwise, you just full of bullshit.
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TL;DR: Matty can’t math, he thinks ~1% is a horribly high amount.
I should add that ~65% of UK women (the % may differ slightly depending on country and methodology) have some type of regret after cosmetic surgery which seems horribly high in comparison. Most of these regrets is based on that the results didn’t match their expectations or that it didn’t increase their self-confidence.
Seems Matty makes shit up, how shocking…
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Some studies have it as high as 60%-80%, while some on the lower end are like 10% which is still way to high for something largely irreversible. Regardless your study of 1% is a far outlier.
Honestly the estimates are all over the place and depend on your definitions. Which is WHY I said “(you can argue about how high, but it’s high)” because how much isn’t the point, it’s clearly too high (and definitely not 1%).
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Anyone can make up numbers that has no bearing on reality, it’s called lying – unless you can back them up with actual studies.
Your track record when it comes to citing actual sources is extremely lacking, you are entirely welcome to change that perception.
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And just where can we find these studies?
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Google it. Seriously, all you’re looking to do is have me post one so you can attack the source. 1% is definitely an outlier, tho.
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You are unable to accept someone proving you wrong so instead you lie.
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Google it.
Ahh yes.
See, this idiot can find the studies that prove what we’re saying, but when it comes to his 50-60% bullshit that he’s pulling out of his ass, we’re supposed to figure out from the corn what he had for dinner.
Fucking idiot playing the same bullshit game.
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“Google it” usually means one of two things. One is that if he provides an actual source, it can be evaluated and disproven, whereas if he demands everyone else search he can just claim you didn’t do it right if you come up with something different to his claim.
The other is that he didn’t actually research the info himself, and he’s never looked further than the first Google result himself.
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Matthew’s obviously citing that famous German physician, Dr. Otto Maiaß.
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Why are you believing this crap? It’s complete nonsense parroted by transphobes with zero basis in reality. You’re obsessed with this idea or forced change and cannot fathom this could actually be something a trans person desperately wants. This is because you refuse to listen to them, and only want to hear from their haters. It’s pure bigotry on your part.
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The evidence seems to be against you.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057813/Controversial-Tavistock-gender-clinic-children-shut-damning-report.html
Keep in mind there’s been allegations of similar cases and clinics in the US it just hasn’t come to a head….yet.
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“evidence”
Provides Daily Fail link.
lol.
Apart from the obvious, why do you people always seem to post links from the UK, a country with a completely difference medical and education system, to back up claim something in the US? On this kind of subject there’s more differences that similarities, other than the language the tabloids are written in.
Is it because it’s the first thing that comes up in Google, or is there something else, such as there being no evidence coming from your own country? The Fail are known to be clickbaity and misleading at the best of times (outright fabricating from whole cloth at worst), but why are you looking to other countries with traditionally more “leftist” and “woke” cultures to try and back up claims about the US?
Oh, and by the way, if you read properly the actual evidence doesn’t match what you claimed, and the service offered will still exist, just not at a clinic that’s come under heavy scrutiny for poor practice at that location. Trans kids will still be able to be trans kids, they’ll just be getting different types of car elsewhere.
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Bratty Matty proves he has zero factual sources yet again. News at 11.
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What the fuck are you smoking, that <1% is “horriffically high?” There’s an order of magintude more who wish to reverse joint replacement than correcting their body’s to match the gender they were born as.
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“What the fuck are you smoking, that <1% is “horriffically high?””
I don’t have an easy link to the study I’m thinking of, but I read in the past year a study that compared perceptions on certain issues to the reality, and that those who consume mainly right-wing media are way off. For example, some thought that the number of trans identifying people in the US was somewhere around 20% or more, whereas the real number is <1%. While people consuming left-leaning sources thought the number was higher than reality, but way more realistically.
I think the thing to consider is that these people aren’t considering the actual facts, they’re considering the fantasy laundered through sources with an agenda that’s told them not to actually research the facts (scientists are “leftist” after all), and whose “research” seems to consist of searching Google and linking the first thing they read based on the headline (which hilariously is often disproven in the body of the article).
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Trans people should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them. Woke gender ideologues should not be allowed to teach their lies as truth in public schools. “Life experience” dies not, and cannot, negate physical reality. That the life experience of many people includes delusions does not impose any obligation in other people to affirm them.
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Hello Hyman the human trash. Can you tell us how common it is for transpersons to force themselves into spaces where they aren’t wanted? Inquiring minds want to know.
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So, Hyman.
Why are you doing exactly that?
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So you admit the number is zero.
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Medical scientists. People who had million of followers such as Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, and Donald Trump. And basically dozen of people with so-called far-right opinions. There is too much material, but corporate news remain silent.
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So you admit you’re just making shit up.
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Sadly, our society does NOT have such a core value, at least not defined in any meaningful way. What our society does have is a right to speak as we might wish without interference from our government. What you seem to be willfully ignoring is that our government is NOT our society. Nor for that matter is the reverse true, either.
Explained in as simple as terms as I hope you can understand; when two private individual citizens go at it, the government cannot interfere – that’s what the First Amendment says, period. The fact that one of those citizens might have more money, and thus more influence, has no bearing on what the government can or cannot do to them. Also easily seen is the fact that 1A does not address what private citizens can do to each other, vis-a-vis discussion or argument over a given viewpoint.
Learn those differences, and you’ll be well on your way to re-joining the human race, American Society sub-division.
sumgai
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Annnd they’re gone. Strange how quickly they scamper off anytime that question was asked, it’s really not a difficult one.
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Thank you for confirming that you think harassment and abuse is a-okay on social media, you cretin.
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Alice: “Tell me about the black thing again?”
Bob: “Well it’s not white.”
Alice: “Cretin!”
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Moderation is required to stop people like you derailing every conversation and starting flame wars. I predict that the trickle of users leaving twitter will become a flood as people decide which platforms to use to replace it.
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Personally, I think a slow (ish) but steady leak will be how it goes.
But I recently learned of a major wild card that could totally collapse twitter is a pile of eviction notices and over due bills: it is called Elon Musk. That might make both of us wrong.
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Lol. You are flagging all his comments, and he is arguing against a mob of liberals.
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And yet how many times have you whined and cried that your comments have been hidden?
Kind of like you are really… hmmm… Oh I don’t know… easily offended.
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I love how you retards do this. You try to conflate “disagreeing with you” with whining or crying for a save space or some such nonsense.
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I love how you’re incapable of not talking like a man-baby encountering pushback on your shit opinions for the first time in your life.
Even ignoring your opinions for a sec, your language and attitude absolutely sound like whining and crying all the time. You could choose to talk like a semi-respectful adult, but you don’t. Or can’t. Not sure.
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cool, SUPER valuable input. /s
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Just trying to encourage a little self-reflection on your part. Seems more valuable than just calling you a retard back.
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Spoken like a true whinny little bitch.
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This ain’t Matty’s first rodeo, how do you think he’s gotten so much experience at this? Riling up a forum’s occupants and then getting kicked to the curb, that’s his personal schtick. In fact, I’d bet that he owns stock in Johnson & Johnson for all the Band-Aids he’s gone through – those curbs can be kind of rough.
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You try to conflate “disagreeing with you” with whining or crying for a save space or some such nonsense.
As opposed to trying to conflate it with ‘censorship’ and crying for a safe space or some such nonsense?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
“Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or “inconvenient”.[2][3][4] Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions and other controlling bodies”
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Dunning-Krueger
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias[2] whereby people with low ability, expertise, or experience regarding a certain type of task or area of knowledge tend to overestimate their ability or knowledge.
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What’s sad there is you thought you said something witty.
Dunning–Kruger is just ad hominem with extra steps.
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What’s sad there is you thought you said something witty.
What’s even sadder is that you thought I cared about your opinion. But keep telling me more about Dunning-Krueger…
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Well now, I have to admit that it’s nice to you actually quoting a credible source, and one that’s pretty neutral by most accounts.
How the only remaining question is, why can’t you do that more often, like when a responder asks you to? Politely or otherwise. Who knows, it might bring a bit less rancor to these discussions…..
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I actually always do. Then most of you idiots will argue about what the definition of “is” is, and it proves I wasted my time.
I will also say that wikipedia IS sometimes wrong, it’s subject to ideological edits, too.
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Why do every comment here with the slightest common sense get flagged here lol
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…said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
“Exclusive data showing how misogynistic online hate targeting me is on the rise since the takeover…“
I think that’s supposed to read “misogynistic online hate targeting men.”
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No, it’s the female journalist referring to her own experience.
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Kinda odd that you would assume this was meant to refer to men rather than the female author, since misogynistic online hate targeting men is barely even a thing.
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Misogynistic content targeting women is geared toward (and, ofc, created by) men. TBH, I wasn’t sure what the quote was referring to, until I saw another reply confirming that the article’s author was referring to her. (Hence, why I posted two versions of the same comment — one mentioning women and another mentioning men, unsure if it was referring to gender.) The quote from the BBC Panorama report cited in the article didn’t reference the author by name, making it unclear, at least to me.
twitter, Tesla, SpaceX, … the Musk Motto: “Neither Safe Nor Trustworthy”
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Naw, his motto is a corruption of a Will Rogers meme:
*I ain’t ever met a company that I can’t fuck up to complete extinction.”
It’s kind of incredible how Musk can keep exceeding expectations.
Just when you expect him to not be able to make things any worse…he does.
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As always, you want to speak in terms of force because you liked the censorship that the old management provided for you (especially in retrospect), and you want to claim that the only way for large generic speech platforms not to censor is if the government forces them not to.
But of course that is false and stupid. In a society that has freedom of speech as a foundational value, large generic speech platforms should voluntarily not censor opinions based on viewpoint because that is the wrong thing to do, not because they have been forced. And if they do censor in this way, they should be encouraged, shamed, or bought to get them to change their behavior.
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Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
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I like how you just admitted how you didn’t understand why his post was relevant.
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It’s still a Wendy’s.
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Well no, it’s a political blog apparently
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…would say nobody literate, ever.
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Yes, exactly
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But none of the social media platforms are doing that (except for Parler, Gab and Truth). They are making business decisions that affect their ability to make money. People like you will drive away advertisers and users, therefore, you get the boot regardless of whether you are left or right so you can no longer drive away other users and advertisers.
Since you seem to be part of the “fuck your feelings” crowd, you should understand this concept.
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It amuses me how the “fuck your feelings” crowd don’t seem to understand that companies like Twitter and Facebook also don’t give a fuck about your feelings if you affect their ability to make money. Fewer assholes = more non-assholes = more money.
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oh that’s not true at all. Old Twitter was definitely making ideological decisions that had nothing to do with making money. And btw, they were losing money.
Absolutely dumbest take. We would LOVE it if businesses made absolutely straight business decisions that had nothing to do with politics. Doesn’t seem to happen very often.
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Yet you’ve never provided a single citation that supports your assertions.
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I guess letting Trump keep tweeting stuff that got others moderated or banned must have been an ideological decision then…
Seriously, how dumb can you get? Did your parents drop you on your head repeatedly when you were a child or have you been secretly training since childhood?
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And it seems like Twitter has lost 40% of its income due to the Musk takeover, which explains all the non payment of due bills.
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You DO know the difference between revenue and profit, right?
Guess not.
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I also understand that lack of profit equals unpaid bills.
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what part of this are you not getting? Help me out.
There was no profit before.
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Bills not being paid does not signal an improvement in the financial state of the company, but rather that income has fallen. Planning to take over a company making a loss should include covering those losses for long enough for improvements to take effect, so failing to pay the bills makes it look like Musk has made the financial state of the company worse by losing more in income than saved by savage cutbacks..
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what part of this are you not getting? Help me out.
There was no profit before.
The part where it was a good idea to pay well above market value for the company in the first place.
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See? There you have a point. Maybe why he tried to back out. (arguably also a negottiation tactic that didn’t pan out, also arguable that Twitter really did misadvertise the goods)
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See? There you have a point.
Yeah, it’s more than I can say for you.
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If there was something that Twitter “mis-advertised”, that would have been known if Musk bothered to do his due diligence instead of forgo it.
That he decided not to is on him and not Twitter.
BTW, what… exactly did Twitter “mis-advertise”?
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The Delaware Chancery Court would like to remind everyone that Elon signed an agreement to buy Twitter ona whim, then tried to back out of said agreement, then waived his right to due diligence, and that there was this case in front of said court…
… to force him to actually pay up. Despite having NUMEROUS CHANCES to actually learn what Twitter was doing. Some of those chances was when he was actually part of Twitter’s board of directors.
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…while saddling it with an extra $1 billion/year in debt while chasing off a huge proportion of both advertisers and customers.
If there wasn’t any profit before (and that’s a distortion at the truth aimed at the simple-minded, they did make a profit in 2018-19, and did make one in first quarter of 2022, though not a significant one), there sure as hell isn’t going to be one after Musk got his mitts on it.
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It appears you don’t.
Looking at Twitter’s financial records… it was mostly on the positive side on net income and only had a few bad quarters.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/299119/twitter-net-income-quarterly/
So, uh, yeah, it wasn’t “losing money.”
Of course, once Musk saddled it with $13 billion in debt, it became nearly impossible to be profitable.
You’d think that not driving away 40% of its revenue base would be smart, but… Musk went the other way.
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Oh, good, you read How to Lie with Numbers.
Even your graph shows it was losing money most of that time, but it was definitely losing money when Musk bought it.
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it was definitely losing money when Musk bought it.
What a smart business move it was, then.
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Where’s the lie? The chart shows that the companies was, in fact, mostly profitable for a few years before Musk bought it. There were a few down quarters, usually due to external issues, such as a big FTC fine. You know, like the one the FTC is expected to put on Musk in the near future…
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Profit is usually calculated AFTER revenue. It’s usually what’s left after operational costs, taxes and whatnot ore deducted.
Which is largely irrelevant, since old Twitter was largely positive on the revenue side.
And since Elon is generating 0 revenue that isn’t him selling more Tesla and SpaceX stock (presumably to Russian and Chinese oligarchs, ie government stooges…)
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You think letting Trump break all the rules for years and being terrified of upsetting right-wingers was ideological?
And now they’re losing way more money. This validates my position, not yours.
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Except no such thing happened, and there’s in fact positive evidence the reverse did. You’re just referring to a dumb thing Masnick says without evidence.
Fuck, another person who doesn’t know the difference between revenue and profit. Damn, that’s amazing.
But anyway, lol, no, that’s not how that works.
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Your asinine gaslighting won’t work here.
You, random internet commenter with zero non-public knowledge of Twitter’s operation, have no more idea of their current financial situation than we do. Your claims about their profitability are pure speculation. But when a company stops paying its bills, that’s never a sign that things are getting better.
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I mean, there’s documents. A huge dump of them in fact.
It’s closer to an estimate. 75% reduction in staff, shut down a data center, that’s probably more than a 40% reduction in operating expenses.
I only know of one bill they stopped paying, and they’re probably looking to break the lease.
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…every single one of which disproves the illiterate, biased lies you were programmed to parrot.
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Something that you have yet to provide evidence for.
Kinda like now, then.
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Oh, no, I cited an incontrovertible example that anyone discussing this issue should be aware of….and you responded in the most inane, unaware, nonsensical way possible.
Actually unclear. We know they were losing money before, we know they have lost revenue (40% is a wild guess, that’s not sure at all) but we also know they have cut expenses, probably by a lot more than the lost revenue. I have no idea if they’re cash positive atm but they’re definitely losing less.
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Yeah, by turning the site into a Jenga tower and not paying their bills. That’s a terrible short-term strategy and a worse long-term one.
You have absolutely no idea if any of that is true, you’re just saying it because you wish it were true or somehow think it’ll prove someone wrong.
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You misspelled “firing a bunch of useless people”
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Still waiting for you to tell us what Twitter “mis-advertised” and why it’s their fault that Elmo didn’t do his due diligence….
Waiting…..
Waiting…..
Waiting…..
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Waiting for what, exactly? Are you unfamiliar with the allegations of massive bot populations rather than real users?
I’m getting a bit tired of you idiots being unfamiliar with basic news about the topic at hand as my somehow failing to provide evidence. I’m not even asking you to google it, you literally should have known about it already or kept your mouth shut.
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So are you saying that Musk was too stupid to realize that there was a massive bot population?
Or would that have come out if he bothered to do due diligence, but he was too stupid to have done it?
Either way, it makes Musk out to be an idiot when it comes to his Twitter purchase.
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Are you unfamiliar with the allegations of massive bot populations rather than real users?
What difference does it make? It’s not like we poured money hand over fist into that overpriced pile of garbage.
Elon did.
Perhaps you should ask him.
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Are you unfamiliar with Cyabra’s analysis? You know, the one that was widely discussed in news and the lawsuit Twitter filed against Musk?
I guess we really know who’s the idiot here who thinks he speaks from a position of authority because he read some headlines.
This is definitely a case of It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt, seems a regular occurrence when you post anything here.
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Among those fired: those who understood the API, the infrastructure, how to pay the bills, how to keep the FTC and the EU from fining the company, etc. etc.
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Neither should even have the capacity to sue the company, so.
Re: Re: Re:7 Unless someone WANTED that content on the site anyway...
You left out the most damning group: The people tasked with finding and taking down child sexual abuse material. Says a lot about someone that they’d consider that group a a viable choice when it came to trimming employee numbers.
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Is it? That assumes they were actually good at their jobs. Musk claims kiddie porn went down. I know of no stats on the issue beyond that it still exists but of course it does, it’s basically impossible to stamp out completely.
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It’s impossible to stamp out CSAM at all, if you don’t at least try.
Any effort at reduction of CSAM is good, going in any other direction is tantamount to desiring to see an increase in CSAM. Even if that’s “not your thing”, if you’re in charge of what makes it to publication, then it might as well be your thing, ’cause the rest of the world has a very definite mindset about CSAM. It’s about as close to black/white as any issue has ever been – you’re either for it, or against it, there’s no room for any portion of ‘gray’ between those two poles.
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Funny how pretty much the only people saying that Musk fired a “bunch of useless people” are Musk and his most vocal sycophants. People who actually understand how Twitter works tell quite a different story.
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Oh? Who would that be? Cuz it isn’t anyone writing on this site.
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What you mean ‘we’, Kemo Sabe?
It does appear that you don’t have the first clue as to what politics is all about, so let me help you out:
Politics is defined as the internecine war between businesses that each wishes to dominate over all others. Politics is what keep them acting in a manner that causes the least harm to the citizenry.
Was that simple enough for you, Matty?
sumgai
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Conservatives, you actual fucking moron.
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You seem to be getting pissed. Must be all the helpful suggestions around how fucking wrong you are.
No need to get pissed at everyone else, Mattie. You’re the one who’s being deliberately fucking dense. If anything, the commenters here have been plenty patient with you, trying to explain it so even a dumbfuck conservative like yourself would understand.
Have some fucking respect, asshole.
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nah, idiots are just awful.
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Your boy is going to have implants shoved in his chest and your daughter is going to grow a beard, and you’re going to fucking get used to the new world order.
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Aw, I shoulda guessed – you don’t how to react to the punchline of an old joke, do you? Let alone recognize one. Sad.
I’ll leave you alone now, as I might get in trouble for picking on a minor child.
sumgai
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It amuses me how the “fuck your feelings” crowd don’t seem to understand that companies like Twitter and Facebook also don’t give a fuck about your feelings if you affect their ability to make money. Fewer assholes = more non-assholes = more money.
Because admitting that moderation is almost always profit-driven would require them to face the fact that they are the problem and that given the choice most people don’t want to be in the same room with them and their ‘super-popular’ ideas.
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This is not even a little bit true. Even before the woke got around to doing their ESG investment stuff that might incentivize companies to act more in the public interest, there were plenty of companies who had pro-social agendas as part of their operations. For example, Bloomberg Philanthropies gives away billions of dollars in charity and charitable works.
Freedom of speech is a foundational value of our society. There is nothing stopping a company that owns a large generic speech platform from honoring that foundational value by not censoring opinions based on viewpoint. Anyway Twitter wasn’t making censorship decisions to make money, it was censoring as it did because its censorship department was staffed by woke ideologues from the top down.
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You really are a piece of work, you know that? Do you really expect us to believe that if the former management had not censored anybody, that all would be well with the world? Really?? And are you going to look us in the eye, with a straight face, and tell us the Elmo is doing any better?
Based on your premise, I have a little exercise for you. Answer us this: Would you work (and hard!) for half of the minimum wage for 40 hours a week, and tell us with a straight face that it’s easy, you don’t have any problems paying your bills. Now, for extra credit, tell us how you would do it.
tl;dr:
Of course it’s a business decision – piss off enough people and they’ll leave. Piss off enough advertisers, and they’ll leave too. The only difference is, the advertisers will take their money with them.
sumgai
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Would you work (and hard!) for half of the minimum wage for 40 hours a week, and tell us with a straight face that it’s easy, you don’t have any problems paying your bills.
I have, for far less money, and it’s a complete shitshow.
And no, it’s not enough to pay the bills unless you’re a complete skinflint, and even then…
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Somehow this post got duplicated. Some of the responses are different, but as for me, I’ll simply refer to my answer above.
Look, he had a disabled philanthropist to bully, okay? Priorities.
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Yes, Musk is going to "moderate" differently than you, that's the entire point.
Old Twitter’s “moderation” (censorship) was shitty and despotic and ideologically driven and often influenced by the government. That’s why he bought the thing, to get rid of that shit. (not actually to make it profitable, that’s just a side goal).
And you loved that censorship, made excuses and cover ups for the government’s hand in it, and wrote several articles slobbing Gadde’s girl-dick.
Of course you’re not going to like what Musk is doing that, that’s the entire point. He (and I) want the opposite of what you want. What you want (and will lie to defend) was shitty.
I mean, yeah, of course, anyone making policy decisions was making shitty policy that he bought the company to stop.
No one, especially you, is pointing out Musk’s “naïve and simplistic understanding”. He just wants the opposite of what you want.
This is a meaningless anecdote that may or may not have anything to do with anything Musk has done. If it did, shame on him, but it’s waaaaayyyy more likely to be unrelated.
Also kinda hilarious because you want the US gov to have the same social media control (via proxy) that the CCP routinely wields, also btw, very often via proxy. They usually don’t have to throw anyone in jail. Content still disappears, dissidents see their social credit go down. (essentially an official form of shadow banning).
Again, this is political whining, it doesn’t actually have anything to do with tech. You’re just mad that someone else got to decide and they decided differently than you.
Rename the site “Techpol” or something.
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Hey, so, anyone see Creed III this weekend? I heard it was good.
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I heard not so good – not having Sly was supposedly behind it. I’m not so sure I believe it.
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Even though I see tons of movies using AMC A*List, I’m going to try to avoid this one, and Scream VI as well. I don’t like boxing movies, endless horror movie sequels, or gangster movies. (I have seen none of the Rocky or Godfather movies, for example.) Does anyone take the kids to their sister?
The best movie I’ve seen so far this year was M3gan, with Infinity Pool a close second. Emily and Corsage were interesting fabricated history movies. Jesus Revolution was surprisingly well done for a Christian movie. Missing was a decent suspenser given its “everything through online views” conceit. Hannah Ha Ha is a very good small movie character study. Skinamarink you will either love or find totally baffling.
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Oh… Matty “The Cry Baby” is back whining like a little bitch again…
don’t you ever get tired of always being the bitch?
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He’s not tough enough or sharp enough to be a bitch.
He’s just one of Elon’s many dags.
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I always envision this kinda belittling, emasculating language in lieu of an argument being delivered by a short very pudgy woman with pink hair.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I find it funny.
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You only come here for the abuse, and now you want us to imagine your perfect domme.
I’ve told you before, stop involving other people in your sexual fantasies without their consent.
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I come here to tell you you are wrong. I tolerate the abuse. I’m used to it, cuz liberals a very hateful.
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A hate poster telling the people they hate that they are hateful, that is projection on an epic scale.
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…instead of basking in the freeze peach paradise that Twitter is under the new ownership.
Another sensible move by you ‘smart’ people, right?
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Those delusional lies of yours have less than zero value.
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Curious, who keeps forcing you to read the articles on this site?
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He must be getting paid at this point. I wish I could get paid to shit on other people’s floors and call it censorship when I get kicked out.
Or he’s doing it as some twisted labor of love in which case I just pity his waste of time.
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Maybe Elon’s paying him and that’s where all twitter’s money is going?
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Maybe Elon’s paying him
Marked as funny.
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I mean given Elon’s apparently willing to pay bodyguards to escort him around while at work paying people to protect his fragile ego by attacking anyone that says mean/true things about him would at least be in character for what he is willing to spend money on.
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He’s probably not “welcome” anywhere else, that happens when you are an unmitigated asshole.
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Techdirt’s amgic coding claims abother victim!
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The magic code that infuses the site, I’ve mentioned it a number of times now but for anyone new it’s a special bit of coding that forces some but not all people to read articles on subjects they have no interest in.
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Again, Mike is a druid.
How he manages to attracts these white supremacist attack dogs is a mystery.
(/j for those of you with a sense of humor)
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It’s not a mystery. Be consistent in your view of things backed up with facts and citations, and there will always be certain people who seek you out and attack you.
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Rocky.
Druids are a mystery.
That is a joke. And a reference to the game *They Mystery of the Druids”.
It’s a rather obscure joke though…
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Huh. He doesn’t look Druish.
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So, absolute fail.
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Gawd Almight, matty, if only you had a brain… Alas, I ask for too much.
If you understood the first thing about money and capitalism, you would shit yourself silly trying to retract (walk back) that statement. If anyone is depending on you for their daily food and shelter, I pity them.
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Considering that Musk seems hell-bent on reducing Twitter to a broken husk of what it used to be, that’s probably the only thing coming close to accurate you’ve ever said.
Now take your delusions somewhere else, please.
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What exactly was is that you personally wanted to say on Twitter but felt was being censored? Most people understand want sort of content Twitter tried (often unsuccessfully) to protect users from to maximize the number of happy, advertiser-friendly users. Do you feel you were missing out on something? Share with the class.
Tons of public reporting over the years shows that Twitter often ignored government requests or suggestions. You seem to be completely dismissing the idea that Twitter might have agreed with the government on some things and disagreed on others. You seem to think they should take the exact opposite position to the government on all things, just to avoid the appearance of influence. Do you go dance in the street because a government PSA advised you to cross the road safely?
JHC, are you 15?
“Look away! Nothing to see here! Of course Elon’s not grovelling to the Chinese government!” [Yeah, he is.]
You are weirdly obsessed with the Techdirt’s name as opposed to it’s 26 years of actual content covering a pretty wide range of topics. Why don’t you go hassle Rolling Stone about their lack of articles on geological kinetics.
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It doesn’t matter, at all, kinda the whole point.
Twitter shows actual hardcore porn, you walnut.
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It doesn’t matter, at all, kinda the whole point.
EXACTLY!
There was never a problem in the first place! IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT!
FINALLY ONE OF YOU PEOPLE ADMITS IT!
HERE IT IS, FOLKS!
Marked as ‘Insightful’ Matt. I never thought I’d see one of you lying sacks of disingenuous shit actually come clean.
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What I find the most entertaining about Matty here losing his shit every time Mike posts about Elmo, is that at this point, Mike is just making Matty into his little bitch boy.
Mike knows that Matty will show up every time he writes about Musk, so why not just troll the dude.
At this point, without Mike explicitly denying it, I am going to assume that he is posting about Musk, trolling ole’ Matty, just to make him lose his shit in the comments, and he falls for it every. single. time.
Hence, Mike has turned Matty into his little bitch boy.
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Obviously, you have not seen Masnick’s unhinged responses.
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Funny, I don’t see a single response here from Mike, so of course not…
…little bitch boy.
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…because the only possible way to see such things is either catastrophic cranial damage or overconsumption of psuchotrophic substances like meth or right-wing media.
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Interesting theory that right-wing media does the same amount of brain damage as meth usage.
Not surprising to say the least.
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Matt, did you manage to see Creed III?
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Elon Musk buying Twitter is for Techdirt (and Mike in particular) like Donald Trump being elected to the presidency was for otherwise failing and very distrusted mainstream media – pure content gold.
Notice how Mike milks Elon’s ownership and management of Twitter for all it’s worth [worth for his TD site, that is], always reporting negatively and attempting to stir up outrage and shock in the commentariat. Having had four years to observe this model in action, Mike faithfully replicates it here.
And yet – as a long-time Twitter user – my experiences on the site have only gotten better since Musk’s takeover, yet bloggers like Mike never seem to reach out to actual Twitter users like me and surely hundreds of thousands of others who are happier than ever with how Twitter works for them.
Wonder why that is??
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Care for some cheese with that whine?
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I guess it worked perfectly for you this Monday then? You know, when it didn’t work for most users all over the world.
I suspect it also worked perfectly for you on March 1, when timelines didn’t work for a majority of users.
Do I dare say it also worked perfectly for you on February 18? You know, when many users reported that replies disappeared and that the timeline was inaccessible?
I’m beginning to see a pattern here how things just work perfectly for you, even on February 15 when Twitter worked intermittently for iOS-users.
I’m certain now, Twitter worked without problems for you on February 8 when other users couldn’t tweet or access DM’s.
On February 1, it was smooth sailing for you. Not a cloud in the sky and the sun was shining benevolently on you while you where happily tweeting away. Although, many Android users couldn’t send tweets and the timeline was also malfunctioning.
Hmm.. Looking back at the recent outages and what you wrote I’m inclined to believe that you don’t have a honest bone in you and you straight up lied. You are just another dishonest asshole who “conveniently” don’t read any other tech-news than what occurs on TD. Oh wait, the latter is just you ignoring everyone else who reports on Musk’s idiocy so you can be an asshole.
And I don’t wonder why that is because I know that aside from being an asshole you are also an idiot.
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Why do you assume I’m so terminally online that any and every service hiccup Twitter might’ve experienced somehow impacted me personally and ruined my experience there?
Twitter has been reliable and available to me every time I’ve sought to use it since Musk’s takeover.
And perhaps more importantly, it’s been flooded with a wealth of interesting and challenging perspectives that were previously banned under the old pro-censorship regime.
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it’s been flooded with a wealth of interesting and challenging perspectives that were previously banned under the old pro-censorship regime.
And which ‘interesting and challenging perspectives’ would those be, and as always with this question be specific.
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I appreciate how the women’s rights movement has flourished on Twitter under Elon’s ownership, since it’s no longer bannable to criticize in scathing terms the evils of gender ideology those who promote it.
I also find it very interesting to read criticisms of race essentialists (especially of the woke, DEI-loving type), another discussion that couldn’t happen openly under the previous pro-censorship regime.
And finally, I rejoice at now unencumbered evidence-backed denouncements of U.S. security state operatives and their elected-official henchmen who suppressed the speech of citizens whose politics they disagreed with…something that wasn’t even acknowledged to be happening before Musk took over and fired the collaborators within Twitter!
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Oh? What I hear is that the women’s rights movements are appalled by the huge increase in misogyny and harassment of women. You don’t talk very much to women, do you?
Oh? All statistics point to that hate speech and racism have increased.
I guess you are referring to the Twitter-files? The ones even Matt Taibbi said didn’t contain any evidence of what you are presenting as a fact. I guess you have to lie to rationalize reality in your effort to cope with it.
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Like I keep saying: People like him live in an Emotional Support Reality, and I wish they’d stay in them instead of bothering the rest of us.
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Your single experience doesn’t match the ones of millions of other people, and if you don’t use the service regularly how the fuck can you make the judgement call it’s reliable. Seems in your quest to criticize Mike’s coverage of Musk and Twitter’s failings you missed the fact they covered the topic about Twitter outages.
Wealth of challenging perspectives? Are you talking about the enormous increase in CSAM? Revenge porn? Doxxing? Harassment? Bots? Misogyny? Hate-speech? Neo-nazis? Russian trolls? Chinese trolls? Bots? Misinformation? Transphobia? Jewish space-lasers?
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It worked fine for ma on all those occasions, and I use it quite frequently now. In fact those “outages” that you guys seem so excited about seem based on anecdotes with no stats to support such an assertion, at all. I mean some people had trouble but that happens all the time to most services occasionally. Even happens to google.
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You do realize that Elon confirmed all those outages that you’re now claiming were simple anecdotes?
You’re not even good at being a Musk shill.
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Not this often and for that long at a time, you disingenuous douchebag.
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I love how apes hid this…he’s right, and in no way vulgar.
It’s just that liberals hate hateful and hate dissent most of all.
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Because you can be racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic again? Good for you I guess.
Elon Musk: A huge fan of trust(no-one) and safety(but just for himself).
“Elon’s plan to focus on “free speech” means he’s brought back accounts of harassers and grifters, but he’s suspending actual free speech activists”
No no, there was no plan to focus on free speech.
The plan was bringing back harassers and grifters, and suspending actual free speech activists.
There was never a plan that involved free speech, or freedom. Not from white South African mine owner, union busting, right-wing supporting sexual abuser Elon Musk.
The plan is going well.
And I’m sure his little poodles will be along anytime now to tell me to trust his words and not my lying eyes.
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It was definitely his assertion.
[Citation needed]