Elon Musk’s Vision Of Trust & Safety: Neither Safe Nor Trustworthy

from the who-could-have-predicted-it? dept

Even as Elon first made his bid for Twitter, we highlighted just how little he understood about content moderation and trust & safety. And, that really matters, because, as Nilay Patel pointed out, managing trust & safety basically is the core business of a social media company: “The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation.” But, Elon had such a naïve and simplistic understanding (“delete wrong and bad content, but leave the rest”) of trust & safety that it’s no wonder advertisers (who keep the site in business) have abandoned the site in droves.

We even tried to warn Elon about how this would go, and he chose to go his own way, and now we’re seeing the results… and it’s not good. Not good at all. It’s become pretty clear that Elon believes that trust & safety should solely be about keeping him untroubled. His one major policy change (despite promising otherwise) was to ban an account tweeting public information, claiming (falsely) that it was a threat to his personal safety (while simultaneously putting his own employees at risk).

Last week, Twitter excitedly rolled out its new policy on “violent speech,” which (hilariously) resulted in his biggest fans cheering on this policy despite it being basically identical to the old policy, which they claimed they hated. Indeed, the big change was basically that the new rules are written in way that is way more subjective than the old policy, meaning that Twitter and Musk can basically apply them much more arbitrarily (which was a big complaint about the old policies).

Either way, as we noted recently, by basically firing nearly everyone who handled trust & safety at the company, Twitter was seeing its moderation efforts falling apart, raising all sorts of alarms.

A new investigative report from the BBC Panorama details just how bad it’s gotten. Talking to both current and former Twitter employees, the report highlights a number of ways in which Twitter is simply unable to do anything about abuse and harassment.

  • Concerns that child sexual exploitation is on the rise on Twitter and not being sufficiently raised with law enforcement
  • Targeted harassment campaigns aimed at curbing freedom of expression, and foreign influence operations – once removed daily from Twitter – are going “undetected”, according to a recent employee.
  • Exclusive data showing how misogynistic online hate targeting me is on the rise since the takeover, and that there has been a 69% increase in new accounts following misogynistic and abusive profiles.
  • Rape survivors have been targeted by accounts that have become more active since the takeover, with indications they’ve been reinstated or newly created.

Among things noted in that report is that Elon himself doesn’t trust any of Twitter’s old employees (which is perhaps why he keeps laying them off despite promising the layoffs were done), and goes everywhere in the company with bodyguards. Apparently, Elon believes in modeling “trust & safety” by not trusting his employees, and making sure that his own safety is the only safety that matters.

Also, an interesting tidbit is that Twitter’s interesting “nudge” experiment (in which it would detect if you were about to say something that might escalate a flame war, and suggest you give it a second thought — an experiment that was generally seen as having a positive impact) seems to be either dead or on life support.

“Overall 60% of users deleted or edited their reply when given a chance through the nudge,” she says. “But what was more interesting, is that after we nudged people once, they composed 11% fewer harmful replies in the future.”

These safety features were being implemented around the time my abuse on Twitter seemed to reduce, according to data collated by the University of Sheffield and International Center for Journalists. It’s impossible to directly correlate the two, but given what the evidence tells us about the efficacy of these measures, it’s possible to draw a link.

But after Mr Musk took over the social media company in late October 2022, Lisa’s entire team was laid off, and she herself chose to leave in late November. I asked Ms Jennings Young what happened to features like the harmful reply nudge.

“There’s no-one there to work on that at this time,” she told me. She has no idea what has happened to the projects she was doing.

So we tried an experiment.

She suggested a tweet that she would have expected to trigger a nudge. “Twitter employees are lazy losers, jump off the Golden Gate bridge and die.” I shared it on a private profile in response to one of her tweets, but to Ms Jennings Young’s surprise, no nudge was sent.

Meanwhile, a New York Times piece is detailing some of the real world impact of Musk’s absolute failures: Chinese activists, who have long relied on Twitter, can no longer do so. Apparently, their reporting on protests in Beijing was silenced, after Twitter… classified them as spam and “government disinformation.”

The issues have also meant that leading Chinese voices on Twitter were muffled at a crucial political moment, even though Mr. Musk has championed free speech. In November, protesters in dozens of Chinese cities objected to President Xi Jinping’s restrictive “zero Covid” policies, in some of the most widespread demonstrations in a generation.

The issues faced by the Chinese activists’ Twitter accounts were rooted in mistakes in the company’s automated systems, which are intended to filter out spam and government disinformation campaigns, four people with knowledge of the service said.

These systems were once routinely monitored, with mistakes regularly addressed by staff. But a team that cleaned up spam and countered influence operations and had about 50 people at its peak, with about a third in Asia,  was cut to single digits in recent layoffs and departures, two of the people said. The division head for the Asia-Pacific region, whose responsibilities include the Chinese activist accounts, was laid off in January. Twitter’s resources dedicated to supervising content moderation for Chinese-language posts have been drastically reduced, the people said.

So when some Twitter systems recently failed to differentiate between a Chinese disinformation campaign and genuine accounts, that led to some accounts of Chinese activists and dissidents being difficult to find, the people said.

The article also notes that for all of Elon’s talk about supporting “free speech” and no longer banning accounts, a bunch of Chinese activists have had their accounts banned.

Some Chinese activists said their Twitter accounts were also suspended in recent weeks with no explanation.

“I didn’t understand what was going on,” said Wang Qingpeng, a human rights lawyer based in Seattle whose Twitter account was suspended on Dec. 15. “My account isn’t liberal or conservative, I never write in English, and I only focus on Chinese human rights issues.”

And, perhaps the saddest anecdote in the whole story:

Shen Liangqing, 60, a writer in China’s Anhui province who has spent over six years in jail for his political activism, said he has cherished speaking his mind on Twitter. But when his account was abruptly suspended in January, it reminded him of China’s censorship, he said.

So, Elon’s plan to focus on “free speech” means he’s brought back accounts of harassers and grifters, but he’s suspending actual free speech activists, while the company’s remaining trust & safety workers can’t actually handle the influx of nonsense, and they’ve rewritten policies to let them be much more arbitrary (and it’s becoming increasingly clear that much of the decision-making is based on what makes Elon feel best, rather than what’s actually best for users of the site).

Last week, we wrote about how Musk has insisted over and over again that the “key to trust” is “transparency,” but since he’s taken over, the company has become less transparent.

So combine all of this, and we see that Elon’s vision of “trust & safety” means way less trust, according to Elon’s own measure (and none from Elon to his own employees), and “safety” means pretty much everyone on the site is way less safe.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Techdirt lost all credibility so Masnick lashes out

Sorry, not sorry, Masnick. I look forward to another smear piece, from you and your so-called “journalist” that never talk to whomever they write smear pieces about, neither go to places they write about. You should have stuck to writing about the copyright industry’s corruption than resorting to tabloid garbage.

I look forward to the smears in the comments to follow.

Anonymous Coward says:

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The only difference between a Republican and Elon is that Elon isn’t a politician, merely a soulless psychopath of a man who just happens to own a few private business ventures.

That is, he can’t be convicted of treason or collusion, but there may be ways to force a “crime against humanity” charge to stick to him.

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PaulT (profile) says:

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He basically is:

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-will-vote-republican-next-us-presidential-election-2022-5

Despite recent evidence, he isn’t completely stupid and knew enough to pretend to be a Democrat while he was in the business of promoting green energy, transport and science in opposition to traditionally entrenched “conservatives”. Now, he’s platforming hate and right-wing culture war nonsense, so he’ll go where he thinks he’ll get more money/support.

Whether that makes him a “true” Republican as in actually believing the nonsense or he’s just going where the money is, who knows, but I dare say few of his actual displayed values differ in any real meaningful sense.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Yeah, he’s platforming right-wing culture war nonsense, right-wing hate speech, and repealing bans of medical scientists, and abusing freedom of speech. Feel my irony.

The American left allegedly supports minorities, but hates the fact that Elon Musk unbanned Andrew Tate who has a huge following of many millions of muslims.

I only recognize leftists in the US calling critique of wokeism hate speech. All those opinions of cultural values that the American right adresses is common sense everywhere in Europe and in the entire world.

The corporate media is brainwashing the American left.

Anonymous Coward says:

Musk’s version of “free speech” is “speech I don’t disagree with.” Unfortunately, there’s a substantial portion of the U.S. population that shares that definition, including much of a political party, which doesn’t bode well for the future of democracy. R.I.P First Amendment. You lived for nearly 250 years.

DoomGuyver (profile) says:

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Nope! It’s a direct quote. From the original BBC article:

“It turns out, I was right. A team from the International Center for Journalists and the University of Sheffield have been tracking the hate I receive, and their data revealed the abuse targeted at me on Twitter had more than tripled since Mr Musk took over, compared with the same period in the year before.”

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Koby (profile) says:

Defund the Speech Police

And, that really matters, because, as Nilay Patel pointed out, managing trust & safety basically is the core business of a social media company

Trust and safety is just a fig leaf for censorship. Speech only needs to be trusted by those who can’t think for themselves. Safe speech is only necessary for the easily offended. Numerous social media sites experienced exponential growth prior to hiring an army of so-called moderators. They’ll probably be fine with a smaller and more focused team.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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As always, you want to speak in terms of force because you liked the censorship that the old management provided for you (especially in retrospect), and you want to claim that the only way for large generic speech platforms not to censor is if the government forces them not to.

But of course that is false and stupid. In a society that has freedom of speech as a foundational value, large generic speech platforms should voluntarily not censor opinions based on viewpoint because that is the wrong thing to do, not because they have been forced. And if they do censor in this way, they should be encouraged, shamed, or bought to get them to change their behavior.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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See this is funny, because you think that doesn’t have an answer, or that you can argue it. It’s a sea lion question.

The answer is of course “many”, but one irrefutable case is the opinion that “‘Transwomen’ are not real women”, or the reverse. That’s an opinion of real contention and voicing it on twitter was 100% banned for many years.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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This. This is why I think you’re dumb.

Do you fucking google? Read the news? That’s WHY Babylon Bee got banned. Which is WHY Musk bought Twitter.

Your ignorance is not my lack of source. I mean I could spend 30 sec googling it, but….why? If you’re this unaware of current events there’s no point.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I mean I could spend 30 sec googling it, but….why?

No. Absofuckinglutly NO.

The burden of proof of one’s assertion always lays upon the proponent, not on the any other party. Lacking any display or offer of proof does not automatically confer the honorific of “BullShit”, but then again, it does tend to bias the other party’s viewpoint towards that proponent in any further discussions. That’s just the nature of the beast.

There are no other options in how to explain this to you, Bennett. You are the one flashing swords with Zorro here, (most of) the rest of us here are just sitting back in our comfy chairs, watching the results of our education system not doing enough to encourage people to think for themselves. And to do it with a highly discerning mindset at that.

Shit, even Koby isn’t as blind as you are, at least when he gets away from the topic of ‘government silencing Republican voices’, he’s more than a bit literate. It almost pains me that I can’t say the same for you.

sumgai

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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The burden of proof of one’s assertion always lays upon the proponent,

About quite possibly the BIGGEST story involving twitter? Lol, fuck you, no.

Get fucked. Like fuck all the way over there with that bullshit.

If you aren’t familiar that one fact (i.e. deadnaming/misgendering getting you banned from twitter) then there simply isn’t any purpose to discussing the issue with you. You don’t know anything about the subject and shouldn’t be debating it. If you DO know it, then you’re just wasting my time, on purpose.

And if you want to muster fake outrage (or real outrage, ironically even dumber in this case) over that then you are are also wasting my time and can be disregarded.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Your ignorance is not my lack of source. I mean I could spend 30 sec googling it, but….why? If you’re this unaware of current events there’s no point.

Another RHR with the longhand form of ‘educate yourself’ on display.

Which is WHY Musk bought Twitter.

If censorship has been eliminated through Musk buying Twitter, what in the fucking fuck is your stupid fucking ass still bitching about?

Go fuck off on Twitter and enjoy your freedumb, you simple minded douchetard! What are you doing here wallowing in censorship, bitching like you have a perpetual period and a shortage of maxi pads?

Go freeze peach your fucking empty head off whydoncha, among the rest of freshly liberated morons on Twitter. You probably have so much to talk about, now that you actually can, amirite?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Saying “freeze peach” is emblematic of why woke ideology is a poison that must be purged from the body of society before society is destroyed. Of course woke ideologues despise the freedom to call their ideology a lie; the only speech they would allow is speech that agrees with their own lies.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Hi ‘woke ideologues’ guy! I knew my woke self would hear from your sleepy ass at some point, with the same drivel that only a semi-conscious comatose halfwit could copy/paste.

I’ll use my freedom of speech any way my woke self likes, thanks. You can always ignore it or go fuck yourself as far as me and my wokeness is concerned.

Go have yourself a woke kind of day!

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Another RHR with the longhand form of ‘educate yourself’ on display.

Go ahead, post with your real name and write you unaware that “deadnaming” and “misgendering” were bannable offenses on Twitter. Just tell the world you’re a fucking idiot.

If censorship has been eliminated through Musk buying Twitter, what in the fucking fuck is your stupid fucking ass still bitching about?

Hypocrisy, primarily, thanks for asking.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Go ahead, post with your real name and write you unaware that “deadnaming” and “misgendering” were bannable offenses on Twitter. Just tell the world you’re a fucking idiot.

Well that’s a 180. A minute ago you were telling us to go ‘research for ourselves.’ Now you’re complaining that our research is different than yours? Well, that’s what happens every time with the ‘educate yourself’ crowd. You always seem to have this bizarro google that you use.

Hypocrisy, primarily, thanks for asking.

Oh yeah, sure. Most important thing that you people have been complaining about for the last 5-6 years FINALLY goes your way. And instead of going there, you’re here where censorship thrives and freeze peach goes to die.

I’m smelling your pathetic bullshit from here, Mattie. And it ain’t pretty you lying sack of shit, you.

I bet your stupid fucking ass doesn’t even have a Twitter account.

Any other commenter want to set some odds? We can get a pool going, for bragging rights anyways.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Well that’s a 180. A minute ago you were telling us to go ‘research for ourselves.’ Now you’re complaining that our research is different than yours?

…..no. You like, read, right?

Are you seriously pretending to be unaware of — or perhaps even more hilariously contesting — that Twitter routinely banned people for “deadnaming” and “misgendering”?

This is an elaborate troll, right?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Are you seriously pretending to be unaware of — or perhaps even more hilariously contesting — that Twitter routinely banned people for “deadnaming” and “misgendering”?

My personal experience doesn’t support those accusations. Perhaps you’re more aware of them because the people you associate with are assholes, and mine are not.

I certainly can’t help your poor choice of company, Matt.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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Your ignorance is not my lack of source.

No, your lack of source is the lack of source. So either put up or shut up.

Do you fucking google? Read the news? That’s WHY Babylon Bee got banned.

This. This is why I think you’re dumb. As per usual, you’re either wrong or intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
Babylon Bee wasn’t technically banned, they were suspended for 12 hours if they deleted the tweet that got them in trouble, which they refused to do. This means that they were practically suspended indefinitely.

Secondly, they weren’t suspended for saying “transwomen aren’t real women”, they were suspended for mockingly awarding the title “Man Of The Year” to a transwoman. If you think that’s the same thing, you’re an idiot.

In conclusion, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Again.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Babylon Bee wasn’t technically banned

I mean, they were banned. but you’re aware of the story, and the policy, so why are you being a fucking dumbass about it?

Secondly, they weren’t suspended for saying “transwomen aren’t real women”, they were suspended for mockingly awarding the title “Man Of The Year” to a transwoman. If you think that’s the same thing, you’re an idiot.

It is very literally the same thing.

So anyway, now we’ve established you actually knew all this and were just wasting my time so you could argue semantics. THAT FITS

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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The Babylon Bee has been banned from using someone else’s website! This is censorship.

Yes.

It’s not as if the Babylon Bee has an easy way, such as its own website, to get its opinions out without fear of being silenced.

That does not make it not censorship. You people literally just make new definitions of things that only you use and it’s kinda funny.

Anonymous Coward says:

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That does not make it not censorship.

Seriously, what in the fuck are you talking about? That’s just bullshit. If the content of my website gets pulled down from Twitter or Facebook, I’ve been censored?

In what fucking universe you fucking nut?

You’ve got to be the most full of shit red hat retard I’ve ever come across. Do yourself a favor and stop doubling down on this bullshit nonsense day in and day out.

You look fucking stupid.

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JMT (profile) says:

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So you want to be able to abuse and harass trans people because you’re an asshole who can’t fathom other people’s different life experiences and don’t believe they should be able to live their live peacefully without you forcing your beliefs on them. Good to know.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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It is, however, an incontrovertible example of viewpoint discrimination.

You may be correct in that assessment, but most normal humans that have the slightest sense of empathy, compassion, and acceptance of our fellow humans, do not want to be associated with transphobia and would rather not see that show up in our timeline.

That you call it viewpoint discrimination doesn’t change the fact that only fucking assholes espouse that particular viewpoint.

So if that is one of the “conservative” viewpoints that is being discriminated, the so be it, an anti-trans viewpoint does not deserve to use Twitter as their soap box.

Don’t like it, tough fucking luck, deal with it or fuck off to Truth.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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but most normal humans that have the slightest sense of empathy, compassion, and acceptance of our fellow humans, do not want to be associated with transphobia

All you’re trying to do is trying to elevate a political disagreement into “bigotry” in order to pretend you have the moral high ground and it’s an old old liberal game and we (conservatives) are fucking tired of it.

But no, most Americans do NOT buy into the “transwomen are LITERALLY women”, and no, you don’t get to mandate the inclusion of biological men into women’s sports, prisons, or shelters nor mandate the mutilation of young children just by calling someone a bigot, sorry.

You’re trying to make this the same as saying the N-word, and it’s just not, sorry, and for that matter people should be able to say the N-word too, k, thx.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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political disagreement

Transphobia is not a political disagreement, no matter how you look at it.

The only thing that makes it political is that transphobia is almost always spewed from “conservative republicans.”

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Transphobia is not a political disagreement

Of course it is.

You and I don’t even agree on what “Transphobia” is. Cuz it’s definitely not being against women having to fight men in boxing, or whatever.

Seriously, this is fucking dumb. You can’t just say that whatever you disagree with is “bigotry” and therefore you don’t have to defend your position. I mean I know you idiots try (oh gawd do you try), but it doesn’t actually work.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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But no, most Americans do NOT buy into the “transwomen are LITERALLY women”, and no, you don’t get to mandate the inclusion of biological men into women’s sports, prisons, or shelters nor mandate the mutilation of young children just by calling someone a bigot, sorry.

For you to be so upset about the above one would think it’s happening all over the country where trans women dominates women’s sports, prisons and shelters while a boat load of parents send their children off to be surgically altered. Also, no one fucking thinks transwomen are literally women, that’s you and the other bigots making a strawman up to attack.

Now, tell us how many transwomen or transmen have forced themselves onto sports teams, prisons or shelters and how many actual children per year have reassignment surgery without going through a battery of psychological and physical evaluations? It should be easy for you to answer, but per your usual behavior you are going to be a coward and deflect.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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For you to be so upset about the above one would think it’s happening all over the country where trans women dominates women’s sports, prisons and shelters while a boat load of parents send their children off to be surgically altered

Oh, so you don’t read the news.

Also, no one fucking thinks transwomen are literally women, that’s you and the other bigots making a strawman up to attack.

Oh, so you don’t read the news….or slogans for that matter.

Anonymous Coward says:

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you don’t get to mandate the inclusion of biological men into women’s sports

I’ll take the words of actual trans atheletes over your terroristic speech.

prisons, or shelters

Which never happened. The transgender convict involved was convicted of rape AS A MAN, then transitiioned and it turns out that the convict in question was never even released into the general population and remanded in a separate facility while awaiting that decision.

Which is also standard practice in… oh, Great Britain. Quite a pleasant surprise, since, yanno, Great Britain…

nor mandate the mutilation of young children just by calling someone a bigot, sorry.

Circumsicion is done more by the religious majority. I’ll at least give the Catholics some credit and say some of their circumcisions happen to be done on adults.

Gender reassignment surgery remains extremely hard to get, is a method of last resort and jas to be approved by a team of doctors in DIFFERENT fields before it is done.

But then again, you don’t seem to care about facts and context.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I’ll take the words of actual trans atheletes

Hyman won’t. And that’s the funny thing about all his anti-trans bullshit: He never listens to trans people. Oh, sure, he’ll tell you stories about what trans people are supposedly doing, but at best, those are all secondhand accounts of questionable credibility. He’ll never read books or articles written by trans people, follow the social media accounts of trans people, or talk to an actual trans person (in cyber- or meatspace) unless they’re willing to confirm his “all trans people are trying to woke everyone’s gender without their permission” biases. It’s no wonder, then, that he refuses to condemn violent anti-trans rhetoric without finding some way of sneaking in his more “polite” anti-trans rhetoric. That also helps the anti-trans cause by trying to move the Overton Window so that the lesser of two evils (his “polite” anti-trans rhetoric) becomes normalized and acceptable while the greater of those evils (the violent rhetoric) remains an outlier…for now.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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I’ll take the words of actual trans atheletes [sic] over your terroristic speech.

Why, actually? Do they get more of a say than the women they’re competing against? What about all those statistics that say they perform much better than natural born women? It is definitely not only their opinion that matters, quite the opposite.

Which never happened. The transgender convict involved was convicted of rape AS A MAN

Um…what? You seem to think I am referring to one specific case, but not only has this happened, it’s happened numerous times already. I can think of a half dozen stories that made the news, and of course there’s many that didn’t.

I stopped reading there, you’re just not smart enough.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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how many actual children per year have reassignment surgery without going through a battery of psychological and physical evaluations

What’s funny about this question is that it’s far, far, far easier for a 16-year-old cis girl to get breast enhancement surgery than for a 16-year-old trans boy to get a mastectomy. Hell, most of the hormone treatments and gender-affirming surgeries around the world are given to cis people⁠—and often with far less consultation and evaluation than is associated with those treatments in re: trans people.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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battery of psychological and physical evaluations

The problem is that in a lot of those cases those evaluations are performed by people who solely want the trans outcome. There are, also, immense financial motivations and sadly no, you can’t pretend doctors are above that.

The fact is the % of people who want to reverse whichever procedure is horrifically high (you can argue about how high, but it’s high). This stuff just shouldn’t be done to minors. They don’t know and the actors involved aren’t neutral. It’s sterilizing in a lot of cases.

far, far, far easier for a 16-year-old cis girl to get breast enhancement surgery than for a 16-year-old trans boy to get a mastectomy

I’m against that too, actually, but at least that is easily reversible.

Hell, most of the hormone treatments and gender-affirming surgeries around the world are given to cis people⁠—

AFAIK that’s not true. Lots of hormones, including sex hormones (hormones are a giant category) are prescribed for lots of reasons of course but they are prescribed and usually in a much more limited way to correct some specific disfunction.

Anonymous Coward says:

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A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1% (95% CI <1%–2%). Overall, 33% underwent transmasculine procedures and 67% transfemenine procedures. The prevalence of regret among patients undergoing transmasculine and transfemenine surgeries was <1% (IC <1%–<1%) and 1% (CI <1%–2%), respectively. A total of 77 patients regretted having had GAS. Twenty-eight had minor and 34 had major regret based on Pfäfflin’s regret classification. The majority had clear regret based on Kuiper and Cohen-Kettenis classification.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

TL;DR: Matty can’t math, he thinks ~1% is a horribly high amount.

I should add that ~65% of UK women (the % may differ slightly depending on country and methodology) have some type of regret after cosmetic surgery which seems horribly high in comparison. Most of these regrets is based on that the results didn’t match their expectations or that it didn’t increase their self-confidence.

Seems Matty makes shit up, how shocking…

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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TL;DR: Matty can’t math, he thinks ~1% is a horribly high amount.

Some studies have it as high as 60%-80%, while some on the lower end are like 10% which is still way to high for something largely irreversible. Regardless your study of 1% is a far outlier.

Honestly the estimates are all over the place and depend on your definitions. Which is WHY I said “(you can argue about how high, but it’s high)” because how much isn’t the point, it’s clearly too high (and definitely not 1%).

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Google it.

Ahh yes.

See, this idiot can find the studies that prove what we’re saying, but when it comes to his 50-60% bullshit that he’s pulling out of his ass, we’re supposed to figure out from the corn what he had for dinner.

Fucking idiot playing the same bullshit game.

PaulT (profile) says:

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“Google it” usually means one of two things. One is that if he provides an actual source, it can be evaluated and disproven, whereas if he demands everyone else search he can just claim you didn’t do it right if you come up with something different to his claim.

The other is that he didn’t actually research the info himself, and he’s never looked further than the first Google result himself.

JMT (profile) says:

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The problem is that in a lot of those cases those evaluations are performed by people who solely want the trans outcome.

Why are you believing this crap? It’s complete nonsense parroted by transphobes with zero basis in reality. You’re obsessed with this idea or forced change and cannot fathom this could actually be something a trans person desperately wants. This is because you refuse to listen to them, and only want to hear from their haters. It’s pure bigotry on your part.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Why are you believing this crap? It’s complete nonsense parroted by transphobes with zero basis in reality.

The evidence seems to be against you.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057813/Controversial-Tavistock-gender-clinic-children-shut-damning-report.html

Keep in mind there’s been allegations of similar cases and clinics in the US it just hasn’t come to a head….yet.

PaulT (profile) says:

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“evidence”

Provides Daily Fail link.

lol.

Apart from the obvious, why do you people always seem to post links from the UK, a country with a completely difference medical and education system, to back up claim something in the US? On this kind of subject there’s more differences that similarities, other than the language the tabloids are written in.

Is it because it’s the first thing that comes up in Google, or is there something else, such as there being no evidence coming from your own country? The Fail are known to be clickbaity and misleading at the best of times (outright fabricating from whole cloth at worst), but why are you looking to other countries with traditionally more “leftist” and “woke” cultures to try and back up claims about the US?

Oh, and by the way, if you read properly the actual evidence doesn’t match what you claimed, and the service offered will still exist, just not at a clinic that’s come under heavy scrutiny for poor practice at that location. Trans kids will still be able to be trans kids, they’ll just be getting different types of car elsewhere.

PaulT (profile) says:

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“What the fuck are you smoking, that <1% is “horriffically high?””

I don’t have an easy link to the study I’m thinking of, but I read in the past year a study that compared perceptions on certain issues to the reality, and that those who consume mainly right-wing media are way off. For example, some thought that the number of trans identifying people in the US was somewhere around 20% or more, whereas the real number is <1%. While people consuming left-leaning sources thought the number was higher than reality, but way more realistically.

I think the thing to consider is that these people aren’t considering the actual facts, they’re considering the fantasy laundered through sources with an agenda that’s told them not to actually research the facts (scientists are “leftist” after all), and whose “research” seems to consist of searching Google and linking the first thing they read based on the headline (which hilariously is often disproven in the body of the article).

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Trans people should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them. Woke gender ideologues should not be allowed to teach their lies as truth in public schools. “Life experience” dies not, and cannot, negate physical reality. That the life experience of many people includes delusions does not impose any obligation in other people to affirm them.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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In a society that has freedom of speech as a foundational value…

Sadly, our society does NOT have such a core value, at least not defined in any meaningful way. What our society does have is a right to speak as we might wish without interference from our government. What you seem to be willfully ignoring is that our government is NOT our society. Nor for that matter is the reverse true, either.

Explained in as simple as terms as I hope you can understand; when two private individual citizens go at it, the government cannot interfere – that’s what the First Amendment says, period. The fact that one of those citizens might have more money, and thus more influence, has no bearing on what the government can or cannot do to them. Also easily seen is the fact that 1A does not address what private citizens can do to each other, vis-a-vis discussion or argument over a given viewpoint.

Learn those differences, and you’ll be well on your way to re-joining the human race, American Society sub-division.

sumgai

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I predict that the trickle of users leaving twitter will become a flood as people decide which platforms to use to replace it.

Personally, I think a slow (ish) but steady leak will be how it goes.

But I recently learned of a major wild card that could totally collapse twitter is a pile of eviction notices and over due bills: it is called Elon Musk. That might make both of us wrong.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Safe speech is only necessary for the easily offended.

And yet how many times have you whined and cried that your comments have been hidden?

Kind of like you are really… hmmm… Oh I don’t know… easily offended.

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JMT (profile) says:

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I love how you retards do this.

I love how you’re incapable of not talking like a man-baby encountering pushback on your shit opinions for the first time in your life.

You try to conflate “disagreeing with you” with whining or crying for a save space or some such nonsense.

Even ignoring your opinions for a sec, your language and attitude absolutely sound like whining and crying all the time. You could choose to talk like a semi-respectful adult, but you don’t. Or can’t. Not sure.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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… encountering pushback on your shit opinions for the first time in your life.

This ain’t Matty’s first rodeo, how do you think he’s gotten so much experience at this? Riling up a forum’s occupants and then getting kicked to the curb, that’s his personal schtick. In fact, I’d bet that he owns stock in Johnson & Johnson for all the Band-Aids he’s gone through – those curbs can be kind of rough.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

“Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or “inconvenient”.[2][3][4] Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions and other controlling bodies”

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Well now, I have to admit that it’s nice to you actually quoting a credible source, and one that’s pretty neutral by most accounts.

How the only remaining question is, why can’t you do that more often, like when a responder asks you to? Politely or otherwise. Who knows, it might bring a bit less rancor to these discussions…..

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Well now, I have to admit that it’s nice to you actually quoting a credible source, and one that’s pretty neutral by most accounts.

I actually always do. Then most of you idiots will argue about what the definition of “is” is, and it proves I wasted my time.

I will also say that wikipedia IS sometimes wrong, it’s subject to ideological edits, too.

T.L. says:

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Misogynistic content targeting women is geared toward (and, ofc, created by) men. TBH, I wasn’t sure what the quote was referring to, until I saw another reply confirming that the article’s author was referring to her. (Hence, why I posted two versions of the same comment — one mentioning women and another mentioning men, unsure if it was referring to gender.) The quote from the BBC Panorama report cited in the article didn’t reference the author by name, making it unclear, at least to me.

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Anonymous Coward says:

As always, you want to speak in terms of force because you liked the censorship that the old management provided for you (especially in retrospect), and you want to claim that the only way for large generic speech platforms not to censor is if the government forces them not to.

But of course that is false and stupid. In a society that has freedom of speech as a foundational value, large generic speech platforms should voluntarily not censor opinions based on viewpoint because that is the wrong thing to do, not because they have been forced. And if they do censor in this way, they should be encouraged, shamed, or bought to get them to change their behavior.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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large generic speech platforms should voluntarily not censor opinions based on viewpoint

But none of the social media platforms are doing that (except for Parler, Gab and Truth). They are making business decisions that affect their ability to make money. People like you will drive away advertisers and users, therefore, you get the boot regardless of whether you are left or right so you can no longer drive away other users and advertisers.

Since you seem to be part of the “fuck your feelings” crowd, you should understand this concept.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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oh that’s not true at all. Old Twitter was definitely making ideological decisions that had nothing to do with making money. And btw, they were losing money.

Absolutely dumbest take. We would LOVE it if businesses made absolutely straight business decisions that had nothing to do with politics. Doesn’t seem to happen very often.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I guess letting Trump keep tweeting stuff that got others moderated or banned must have been an ideological decision then…

Seriously, how dumb can you get? Did your parents drop you on your head repeatedly when you were a child or have you been secretly training since childhood?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Bills not being paid does not signal an improvement in the financial state of the company, but rather that income has fallen. Planning to take over a company making a loss should include covering those losses for long enough for improvements to take effect, so failing to pay the bills makes it look like Musk has made the financial state of the company worse by losing more in income than saved by savage cutbacks..

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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The part where it was a good idea to pay well above market value for the company in the first place.

See? There you have a point. Maybe why he tried to back out. (arguably also a negottiation tactic that didn’t pan out, also arguable that Twitter really did misadvertise the goods)

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Twitter really did misadvertise the goods

If there was something that Twitter “mis-advertised”, that would have been known if Musk bothered to do his due diligence instead of forgo it.

That he decided not to is on him and not Twitter.

BTW, what… exactly did Twitter “mis-advertise”?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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The Delaware Chancery Court would like to remind everyone that Elon signed an agreement to buy Twitter ona whim, then tried to back out of said agreement, then waived his right to due diligence, and that there was this case in front of said court…

… to force him to actually pay up. Despite having NUMEROUS CHANCES to actually learn what Twitter was doing. Some of those chances was when he was actually part of Twitter’s board of directors.

PaulT (profile) says:

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…while saddling it with an extra $1 billion/year in debt while chasing off a huge proportion of both advertisers and customers.

If there wasn’t any profit before (and that’s a distortion at the truth aimed at the simple-minded, they did make a profit in 2018-19, and did make one in first quarter of 2022, though not a significant one), there sure as hell isn’t going to be one after Musk got his mitts on it.

Anonymous Coward says:

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It appears you don’t.

Looking at Twitter’s financial records… it was mostly on the positive side on net income and only had a few bad quarters.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/299119/twitter-net-income-quarterly/

So, uh, yeah, it wasn’t “losing money.”

Of course, once Musk saddled it with $13 billion in debt, it became nearly impossible to be profitable.

You’d think that not driving away 40% of its revenue base would be smart, but… Musk went the other way.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Where’s the lie? The chart shows that the companies was, in fact, mostly profitable for a few years before Musk bought it. There were a few down quarters, usually due to external issues, such as a big FTC fine. You know, like the one the FTC is expected to put on Musk in the near future…

Anonymous Coward says:

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Profit is usually calculated AFTER revenue. It’s usually what’s left after operational costs, taxes and whatnot ore deducted.

Which is largely irrelevant, since old Twitter was largely positive on the revenue side.

And since Elon is generating 0 revenue that isn’t him selling more Tesla and SpaceX stock (presumably to Russian and Chinese oligarchs, ie government stooges…)

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JMT (profile) says:

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Old Twitter was definitely making ideological decisions that had nothing to do with making money.

You think letting Trump break all the rules for years and being terrified of upsetting right-wingers was ideological?

And btw, they were losing money.

And now they’re losing way more money. This validates my position, not yours.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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You think letting Trump break all the rules for years and being terrified of upsetting right-wingers was ideological?

Except no such thing happened, and there’s in fact positive evidence the reverse did. You’re just referring to a dumb thing Masnick says without evidence.

And now they’re losing way more money. This validates my position, not yours.

Fuck, another person who doesn’t know the difference between revenue and profit. Damn, that’s amazing.

But anyway, lol, no, that’s not how that works.

JMT (profile) says:

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Except no such thing happened, and there’s in fact positive evidence the reverse did.

Your asinine gaslighting won’t work here.

Fuck, another person who doesn’t know the difference between revenue and profit. Damn, that’s amazing.

You, random internet commenter with zero non-public knowledge of Twitter’s operation, have no more idea of their current financial situation than we do. Your claims about their profitability are pure speculation. But when a company stops paying its bills, that’s never a sign that things are getting better.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Your asinine gaslighting won’t work here.

I mean, there’s documents. A huge dump of them in fact.

You, random internet commenter with zero non-public knowledge of Twitter’s operation, have no more idea of their current financial situation than we do

It’s closer to an estimate. 75% reduction in staff, shut down a data center, that’s probably more than a 40% reduction in operating expenses.

But when a company stops paying its bills

I only know of one bill they stopped paying, and they’re probably looking to break the lease.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Something that you have yet to provide evidence for.

Oh, no, I cited an incontrovertible example that anyone discussing this issue should be aware of….and you responded in the most inane, unaware, nonsensical way possible.

Kinda like now, then.

Actually unclear. We know they were losing money before, we know they have lost revenue (40% is a wild guess, that’s not sure at all) but we also know they have cut expenses, probably by a lot more than the lost revenue. I have no idea if they’re cash positive atm but they’re definitely losing less.

JMT (profile) says:

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… but we also know they have cut expenses…

Yeah, by turning the site into a Jenga tower and not paying their bills. That’s a terrible short-term strategy and a worse long-term one.

…probably by a lot more than the lost revenue. I have no idea if they’re cash positive atm but they’re definitely losing less.

You have absolutely no idea if any of that is true, you’re just saying it because you wish it were true or somehow think it’ll prove someone wrong.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Still waiting for you to tell us what Twitter “mis-advertised” and why it’s their fault that Elmo didn’t do his due diligence….

Waiting for what, exactly? Are you unfamiliar with the allegations of massive bot populations rather than real users?

I’m getting a bit tired of you idiots being unfamiliar with basic news about the topic at hand as my somehow failing to provide evidence. I’m not even asking you to google it, you literally should have known about it already or kept your mouth shut.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Are you unfamiliar with the allegations of massive bot populations rather than real users?

So are you saying that Musk was too stupid to realize that there was a massive bot population?

Or would that have come out if he bothered to do due diligence, but he was too stupid to have done it?

Either way, it makes Musk out to be an idiot when it comes to his Twitter purchase.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Are you unfamiliar with the allegations of massive bot populations rather than real users?

Are you unfamiliar with Cyabra’s analysis? You know, the one that was widely discussed in news and the lawsuit Twitter filed against Musk?

I guess we really know who’s the idiot here who thinks he speaks from a position of authority because he read some headlines.

This is definitely a case of It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt, seems a regular occurrence when you post anything here.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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You left out the most damning group: The people tasked with finding and taking down child sexual abuse material.

Is it? That assumes they were actually good at their jobs. Musk claims kiddie porn went down. I know of no stats on the issue beyond that it still exists but of course it does, it’s basically impossible to stamp out completely.

Anonymous Coward says:

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It’s impossible to stamp out CSAM at all, if you don’t at least try.

Any effort at reduction of CSAM is good, going in any other direction is tantamount to desiring to see an increase in CSAM. Even if that’s “not your thing”, if you’re in charge of what makes it to publication, then it might as well be your thing, ’cause the rest of the world has a very definite mindset about CSAM. It’s about as close to black/white as any issue has ever been – you’re either for it, or against it, there’s no room for any portion of ‘gray’ between those two poles.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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We would LOVE it if businesses made absolutely straight business decisions that had nothing to do with politics.

What you mean ‘we’, Kemo Sabe?

It does appear that you don’t have the first clue as to what politics is all about, so let me help you out:

Politics is defined as the internecine war between businesses that each wishes to dominate over all others. Politics is what keep them acting in a manner that causes the least harm to the citizenry.

Was that simple enough for you, Matty?

sumgai

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Anonymous Coward says:

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You seem to be getting pissed. Must be all the helpful suggestions around how fucking wrong you are.

No need to get pissed at everyone else, Mattie. You’re the one who’s being deliberately fucking dense. If anything, the commenters here have been plenty patient with you, trying to explain it so even a dumbfuck conservative like yourself would understand.

Have some fucking respect, asshole.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

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It amuses me how the “fuck your feelings” crowd don’t seem to understand that companies like Twitter and Facebook also don’t give a fuck about your feelings if you affect their ability to make money. Fewer assholes = more non-assholes = more money.

Because admitting that moderation is almost always profit-driven would require them to face the fact that they are the problem and that given the choice most people don’t want to be in the same room with them and their ‘super-popular’ ideas.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

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This is not even a little bit true. Even before the woke got around to doing their ESG investment stuff that might incentivize companies to act more in the public interest, there were plenty of companies who had pro-social agendas as part of their operations. For example, Bloomberg Philanthropies gives away billions of dollars in charity and charitable works.

Freedom of speech is a foundational value of our society. There is nothing stopping a company that owns a large generic speech platform from honoring that foundational value by not censoring opinions based on viewpoint. Anyway Twitter wasn’t making censorship decisions to make money, it was censoring as it did because its censorship department was staffed by woke ideologues from the top down.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Anyway Twitter wasn’t making censorship decisions to make money, it was censoring as it did because its censorship department was staffed by woke ideologues from the top down.

You really are a piece of work, you know that? Do you really expect us to believe that if the former management had not censored anybody, that all would be well with the world? Really?? And are you going to look us in the eye, with a straight face, and tell us the Elmo is doing any better?

Based on your premise, I have a little exercise for you. Answer us this: Would you work (and hard!) for half of the minimum wage for 40 hours a week, and tell us with a straight face that it’s easy, you don’t have any problems paying your bills. Now, for extra credit, tell us how you would do it.

tl;dr:

Of course it’s a business decision – piss off enough people and they’ll leave. Piss off enough advertisers, and they’ll leave too. The only difference is, the advertisers will take their money with them.

sumgai

Anonymous Coward says:

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Would you work (and hard!) for half of the minimum wage for 40 hours a week, and tell us with a straight face that it’s easy, you don’t have any problems paying your bills.

I have, for far less money, and it’s a complete shitshow.

And no, it’s not enough to pay the bills unless you’re a complete skinflint, and even then…

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Yes, Musk is going to "moderate" differently than you, that's the entire point.

Old Twitter’s “moderation” (censorship) was shitty and despotic and ideologically driven and often influenced by the government. That’s why he bought the thing, to get rid of that shit. (not actually to make it profitable, that’s just a side goal).

And you loved that censorship, made excuses and cover ups for the government’s hand in it, and wrote several articles slobbing Gadde’s girl-dick.

Of course you’re not going to like what Musk is doing that, that’s the entire point. He (and I) want the opposite of what you want. What you want (and will lie to defend) was shitty.

Among things noted in that report is that Elon himself doesn’t trust any of Twitter’s old employees

I mean, yeah, of course, anyone making policy decisions was making shitty policy that he bought the company to stop.

No one, especially you, is pointing out Musk’s “naïve and simplistic understanding”. He just wants the opposite of what you want.

Meanwhile, a New York Times piece is detailing some of the real world impact of Musk’s absolute failures: Chinese activists, who have long relied on Twitter, can no longer do so

This is a meaningless anecdote that may or may not have anything to do with anything Musk has done. If it did, shame on him, but it’s waaaaayyyy more likely to be unrelated.

Also kinda hilarious because you want the US gov to have the same social media control (via proxy) that the CCP routinely wields, also btw, very often via proxy. They usually don’t have to throw anyone in jail. Content still disappears, dissidents see their social credit go down. (essentially an official form of shadow banning).

Again, this is political whining, it doesn’t actually have anything to do with tech. You’re just mad that someone else got to decide and they decided differently than you.

Rename the site “Techpol” or something.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

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Even though I see tons of movies using AMC A*List, I’m going to try to avoid this one, and Scream VI as well. I don’t like boxing movies, endless horror movie sequels, or gangster movies. (I have seen none of the Rocky or Godfather movies, for example.) Does anyone take the kids to their sister?

The best movie I’ve seen so far this year was M3gan, with Infinity Pool a close second. Emily and Corsage were interesting fabricated history movies. Jesus Revolution was surprisingly well done for a Christian movie. Missing was a decent suspenser given its “everything through online views” conceit. Hannah Ha Ha is a very good small movie character study. Skinamarink you will either love or find totally baffling.

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Gawd Almight, matty, if only you had a brain… Alas, I ask for too much.

That’s why he bought the thing, to get rid of that shit. (not actually to make it profitable, that’s just a side goal)

If you understood the first thing about money and capitalism, you would shit yourself silly trying to retract (walk back) that statement. If anyone is depending on you for their daily food and shelter, I pity them.

Strawb (profile) says:

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No one, especially you, is pointing out Musk’s “naïve and simplistic understanding”. He just wants the opposite of what you want.

Considering that Musk seems hell-bent on reducing Twitter to a broken husk of what it used to be, that’s probably the only thing coming close to accurate you’ve ever said.

Now take your delusions somewhere else, please.

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JMT (profile) says:

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Old Twitter’s “moderation” (censorship) was shitty and despotic and ideologically driven…

What exactly was is that you personally wanted to say on Twitter but felt was being censored? Most people understand want sort of content Twitter tried (often unsuccessfully) to protect users from to maximize the number of happy, advertiser-friendly users. Do you feel you were missing out on something? Share with the class.

…and often influenced by the government.

Tons of public reporting over the years shows that Twitter often ignored government requests or suggestions. You seem to be completely dismissing the idea that Twitter might have agreed with the government on some things and disagreed on others. You seem to think they should take the exact opposite position to the government on all things, just to avoid the appearance of influence. Do you go dance in the street because a government PSA advised you to cross the road safely?

…and wrote several articles slobbing Gadde’s girl-dick.

JHC, are you 15?

This is a meaningless anecdote that may or may not have anything to do with anything Musk has done. If it did, shame on him, but it’s waaaaayyyy more likely to be unrelated.

“Look away! Nothing to see here! Of course Elon’s not grovelling to the Chinese government!” [Yeah, he is.]

Again, this is political whining, it doesn’t actually have anything to do with tech.

You are weirdly obsessed with the Techdirt’s name as opposed to it’s 26 years of actual content covering a pretty wide range of topics. Why don’t you go hassle Rolling Stone about their lack of articles on geological kinetics.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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It doesn’t matter, at all, kinda the whole point.

EXACTLY!

There was never a problem in the first place! IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT!

FINALLY ONE OF YOU PEOPLE ADMITS IT!

HERE IT IS, FOLKS!

Marked as ‘Insightful’ Matt. I never thought I’d see one of you lying sacks of disingenuous shit actually come clean.

Anonymous Coward says:

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What I find the most entertaining about Matty here losing his shit every time Mike posts about Elmo, is that at this point, Mike is just making Matty into his little bitch boy.

Mike knows that Matty will show up every time he writes about Musk, so why not just troll the dude.

At this point, without Mike explicitly denying it, I am going to assume that he is posting about Musk, trolling ole’ Matty, just to make him lose his shit in the comments, and he falls for it every. single. time.

Hence, Mike has turned Matty into his little bitch boy.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Elon Musk buying Twitter is for Techdirt (and Mike in particular) like Donald Trump being elected to the presidency was for otherwise failing and very distrusted mainstream media – pure content gold.

Notice how Mike milks Elon’s ownership and management of Twitter for all it’s worth [worth for his TD site, that is], always reporting negatively and attempting to stir up outrage and shock in the commentariat. Having had four years to observe this model in action, Mike faithfully replicates it here.

And yet – as a long-time Twitter user – my experiences on the site have only gotten better since Musk’s takeover, yet bloggers like Mike never seem to reach out to actual Twitter users like me and surely hundreds of thousands of others who are happier than ever with how Twitter works for them.

Wonder why that is??

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Rocky says:

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And yet – as a long-time Twitter user – my experiences on the site have only gotten better since Musk’s takeover, yet bloggers like Mike never seem to reach out to actual Twitter users like me and surely hundreds of thousands of others who are happier than ever with how Twitter works for them.

I guess it worked perfectly for you this Monday then? You know, when it didn’t work for most users all over the world.

I suspect it also worked perfectly for you on March 1, when timelines didn’t work for a majority of users.

Do I dare say it also worked perfectly for you on February 18? You know, when many users reported that replies disappeared and that the timeline was inaccessible?

I’m beginning to see a pattern here how things just work perfectly for you, even on February 15 when Twitter worked intermittently for iOS-users.

I’m certain now, Twitter worked without problems for you on February 8 when other users couldn’t tweet or access DM’s.

On February 1, it was smooth sailing for you. Not a cloud in the sky and the sun was shining benevolently on you while you where happily tweeting away. Although, many Android users couldn’t send tweets and the timeline was also malfunctioning.

Hmm.. Looking back at the recent outages and what you wrote I’m inclined to believe that you don’t have a honest bone in you and you straight up lied. You are just another dishonest asshole who “conveniently” don’t read any other tech-news than what occurs on TD. Oh wait, the latter is just you ignoring everyone else who reports on Musk’s idiocy so you can be an asshole.

And I don’t wonder why that is because I know that aside from being an asshole you are also an idiot.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I guess it worked perfectly for you this Monday then? You know, when it didn’t work for most users all over the world…[proceeds to cite a few service disruptions over the course of more than a month]

Why do you assume I’m so terminally online that any and every service hiccup Twitter might’ve experienced somehow impacted me personally and ruined my experience there?

Twitter has been reliable and available to me every time I’ve sought to use it since Musk’s takeover.

And perhaps more importantly, it’s been flooded with a wealth of interesting and challenging perspectives that were previously banned under the old pro-censorship regime.

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it’s been flooded with a wealth of interesting and challenging perspectives that were previously banned under the old pro-censorship regime.

And which ‘interesting and challenging perspectives’ would those be, and as always with this question be specific.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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And which ‘interesting and challenging perspectives’ would those be, and as always with this question be specific.

I appreciate how the women’s rights movement has flourished on Twitter under Elon’s ownership, since it’s no longer bannable to criticize in scathing terms the evils of gender ideology those who promote it.

I also find it very interesting to read criticisms of race essentialists (especially of the woke, DEI-loving type), another discussion that couldn’t happen openly under the previous pro-censorship regime.

And finally, I rejoice at now unencumbered evidence-backed denouncements of U.S. security state operatives and their elected-official henchmen who suppressed the speech of citizens whose politics they disagreed with…something that wasn’t even acknowledged to be happening before Musk took over and fired the collaborators within Twitter!

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I appreciate how the women’s rights movement has flourished on Twitter under Elon’s ownership, since it’s no longer bannable to criticize in scathing terms the evils of gender ideology those who promote it.

Oh? What I hear is that the women’s rights movements are appalled by the huge increase in misogyny and harassment of women. You don’t talk very much to women, do you?

I also find it very interesting to read criticisms of race essentialists (especially of the woke, DEI-loving type), another discussion that couldn’t happen openly under the previous pro-censorship regime.

Oh? All statistics point to that hate speech and racism have increased.

And finally, I rejoice at now unencumbered evidence-backed denouncements of U.S. security state operatives and their elected-official henchmen who suppressed the speech of citizens whose politics they disagreed with…something that wasn’t even acknowledged to be happening before Musk took over and fired the collaborators within Twitter!

I guess you are referring to the Twitter-files? The ones even Matt Taibbi said didn’t contain any evidence of what you are presenting as a fact. I guess you have to lie to rationalize reality in your effort to cope with it.

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Rocky says:

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Why do you assume I’m so terminally online that any and every service hiccup Twitter might’ve experienced somehow impacted me personally and ruined my experience there?

Twitter has been reliable and available to me every time I’ve sought to use it since Musk’s takeover.

Your single experience doesn’t match the ones of millions of other people, and if you don’t use the service regularly how the fuck can you make the judgement call it’s reliable. Seems in your quest to criticize Mike’s coverage of Musk and Twitter’s failings you missed the fact they covered the topic about Twitter outages.

And perhaps more importantly, it’s been flooded with a wealth of interesting and challenging perspectives that were previously banned under the old pro-censorship regime.

Wealth of challenging perspectives? Are you talking about the enormous increase in CSAM? Revenge porn? Doxxing? Harassment? Bots? Misogyny? Hate-speech? Neo-nazis? Russian trolls? Chinese trolls? Bots? Misinformation? Transphobia? Jewish space-lasers?

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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I guess it worked perfectly for you this Monday then? You know, when it didn’t work for most users all over the world.

I suspect it also worked perfectly for you on March 1, when timelines didn’t work for a majority of users.

It worked fine for ma on all those occasions, and I use it quite frequently now. In fact those “outages” that you guys seem so excited about seem based on anecdotes with no stats to support such an assertion, at all. I mean some people had trouble but that happens all the time to most services occasionally. Even happens to google.

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Anathema Device (profile) says:

“Elon’s plan to focus on “free speech” means he’s brought back accounts of harassers and grifters, but he’s suspending actual free speech activists”

No no, there was no plan to focus on free speech.

The plan was bringing back harassers and grifters, and suspending actual free speech activists.

There was never a plan that involved free speech, or freedom. Not from white South African mine owner, union busting, right-wing supporting sexual abuser Elon Musk.

The plan is going well.

And I’m sure his little poodles will be along anytime now to tell me to trust his words and not my lying eyes.

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