How The Enshittification Of Social Media Is Decreasing The Switching Costs And Enabling Something New
from the enshittification-comes-for-every-big-site-eventually dept
In the last few weeks I’ve written about how Elon Musk’s “changes” to how Twitter is running have done an amazing job convincing people to join Mastodon. And I’ve also noted how many more people (including myself!) are realizing how much better social media can be when it’s decentralized, rather than owned and run by a single entity. And I say that as someone who has advocated for more decentralized social media for many years.
Recently, Cory Doctorow encapsulated much of this, in a manner only Cory is really capable of, in a piece for Locus Magazine where he talks about the value of social quitting. The key points: social media tends to have a lifecycle. They start, they grow, they become viral, then they become annoying, and they die. It’s happened with many. The latest cycle seems to have lasted longer than those earlier ones, but the gravity of collapse is not easily avoided.
However, as Cory details, part of the reason for this was that, in the past, the switching costs were low — often in a way that the new upstarts helped use to bootstrap their own growth:
When you leave a system, you have to endure ‘‘switching costs’’ – everything you give up when you change products, services, or habits. Quitting smoking means enduring not just the high switching cost of nicotine withdrawal, but also contending with the painful switching costs of giving up the social camaraderie of the smoking area, the friends you’ve made there, and the friends you might make there in the future.
For social media, the biggest switching cost isn’t learning the ins and outs of a new app or generating a new password: it’s the communities, family members, friends, and customers you lose when you switch away. Leaving aside the complexity of adding friends back in on a new service, there’s the even harder business of getting all those people to leave at the same time as you and go to the same place.
As he notes, Facebook helped convince people to move from MySpace not just by being a friendlier to use platform, but by providing a tool to make it easy to switch:
Facebook addressed this problem by giving MySpace users who switched to Facebook a bridge between the two services. Simply give this tool your MySpace login and password, and it would use a bot to login to your MySpace account, scrape all the waiting messages in your queues and inbox, and push them into your Facebook feed. You could reply to these, and the bot would log back into MySpace and post those replies as you.
Facebook attacked MySpace’s high switching costs head on, lowering them for users and unleashing network effects and rapid growth.
But, of course, as we covered in detail, just a few years later when others sought to do the same thing to Facebook, Facebook sued. And won. And effectively put up a wall against the very activity it used to lower the switching costs from MySpace.
Cory argues that by enabling the platforms to put up these giant walls, it enabled the “enshittification” of social media. Even as the services treated users terribly, your friends were all there and it was too difficult to leave.
This enshittification was made possible by high switching costs. The vast communities who’d been brought in by network effects were so valuable that users couldn’t afford to quit, because that would mean giving up on important personal, professional, commercial, and romantic ties. And just to make sure that users didn’t sneak away, Facebook aggressively litigated against upstarts that made it possible to stay in touch with your friends without using its services. Twitter consistently whittled away at its API support, neutering it in ways that made it harder and harder to leave Twitter without giving up the value it gave you.
When switching costs are high, services can be changed in ways that you dislike without losing your business. The higher the switching costs, the more a company can abuse you, because it knows that as bad as they’ve made things for you, you’d have to endure worse if you left.
However, he notes, this is also the downfall of those sites. They’ve gotten ever worse in particularly dumb ways (mostly based on the whims of their two billionaire primary shareholders).
And then…. Stuff happened. Mark Zuckerberg got worried about losing users and decided we were all going to live as legless low-polygon cartoons in a metaverse that no one wanted to use, not even the Facebook employees who built it. Twitter got bought out by a low-attention-span, overconfident billionaire who started pulling out Jenga blocks to see whether the system would fall over, and when it did, we all got crushed by the falling blocks.
These services had been shaved down to the point where most of us were only a hair’s breadth away from quitting, because all the surplus had been transferred from us and from business users to the companies.
Once things got just a little worse, advertisers and users started to quit, and the long-delayed MySpacing of Facebook and Beboizing of Twitter began.
There are some really interesting lessons in there (and there’s a lot more in the article that is well worth reading!). But, on the whole, switching costs are important. But, so too is the quality of the product. As the quality gets worse, the switching costs actually become lower in a weird sort of way. And, as more people leave, you start to get the kind of reverse network effects: the reasons to stick around decrease as well.
Filed Under: enshittification, network effects, social media, switching costs
Companies: facebook, meta, twitter


Comments on “How The Enshittification Of Social Media Is Decreasing The Switching Costs And Enabling Something New”
I hate to say this
But if that were the case why are those who initially fled to Mastodon after Musk bought Twitter going back?
There was an article but I cannot grab it off-hand.
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Could be any number of reasons: lack of contacts moving over with them, not liking the interface, not liking the decentralized structure of the Fediverse, or whatever the hell else.
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Could be that most of the people who fled to Mastodon are just awful:
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/21/journalists-run-to-twitter-alternative-promptly-turn-it-into-a-hilarious-mean-girls-club-n662025
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Cool anecdote, bro. Redstate found an example of people being horrible, and published it. Wonder how widespread the issue is. The article you pointed at doesn’t say.
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It is indeed just an anecdote. A pretty freaking funny one.
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Anecdotal experience is not empirical evidence.
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It is of that anecdote. I really don’t think you’re making the point you think you are.
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By definition, no.
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Literally, by definition, yes. DAFUQ?
Re: Re: Re:7
Are you pretending to understand definitions again?
By definition, anecdotal evidence is not empirical evidence. That’s why they’re called two different things.
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Noooo…..anecdotes are not data. That’s what you’re thinking of.
Fuck you’re dumb.
Re: Re: Re:9
Well
anecdotal evidence is evidence based only on personal observation, collected in a casual or non-systematic manner.
Empirical evidence for a proposition is evidence, i.e. what supports or counters this proposition, that is constituted by or accessible to sense experience or experimental procedure. Empirical evidence is of central importance to the sciences and plays a role in various other fields, like epistemology and law.
So who is the dumb one?
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That’s actually not accurate in the normal uses of the words, but none of it has anything to do with what I said.
I provided an anecdote. (a funny one). Why the fuck are you all going on about “empirical”? (you can, in fact have empirical evidence of an anecdote, empirical just means “verified”) Stephen misunderstood as he does but I was never claiming to have data suggesting that was the reason, nor was I seriously suggesting it was. It was just funny.
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Saying something dumb and screaming “It’s just a prank, bro” isn’t the “get out of humiliation” card you clowns keep thinking it is.
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But I am. You extrapolated a single anecdotal experience (that Red State article) into an empirical conclusion (“most of the people who fled to Mastodon are just awful”) without providing actual evidence that would lead to said conclusion.
I’ve told the anecdote before about how I once got dinged by Twitter for using an anti-gay slur in an argument about anti-gay values. That anecdote can provide an example of Twitter’s automated moderation hitting someone for hate speech despite the context of such speech. But it says nothing objective about how that moderation works when it deals with such speech on a much broader scale—including contexts where it is legit used as hate speech. To make a long story short (too late): My anecdotal experience is not empirical evidence.
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Re: Re: Re:6
“could be” I was cracking a joke about 1 dumb scenario. I wasn’t extrapolating shit.
Is this whole thread cuz you don’t read so good? Yes, apparently.
Re: Re: Re:7
Guys, gals, and enby pals: I give you Schrödinger’s Douchebag.
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Re: Re: Re:8
Yeah, you being too dumb to understand really isn’t my fault.
Re: Re: Re:9
Hey loser, just take your L.
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Re: Re: Re:6
Btw, I think that’s an excellent example of one way censorship can go wrong. Definitely not the only one.
Re: Re: Re:6
It wouldn’t be a post by Matthew if it didn’t lack any conception of how evidence works.
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Re: Re: Re:7
Evidence of something I never alledged?
Re: Re: Re:8
Evidence that you aren’t surgically grafted to Elon’s prosthetic wee-wee.
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That’s a very vague comment that’s not really supportable without some figures. Who has left and gone back to Twitter? What proportion of those who “fled”? How do you account for people who use both services?
Your wording suggests that 100% of people who went to Mastodon are now back on Twitter, and that’s obvious nonsense, so where are the figures?
We can’t answer why something is happening without an accurate description of what is happening first. With incomplete data, the easy explanation is that Mastodon works differently enough to put people off and some nodes have been extremely strained by the historically unprecedented traffic they’ve experienced from people suddenly testing them out. But, that’s only part of the story.
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Lol. You missed out on the information superhighway when there was exactly zero inferior emotions and mental illness was not prevalent.
I’m looking forward to new iterations of data networks in the 21st century that leave all the failed social experiments of Internet 1.0 behind.
The 1st world still enjoys innovation while the 3rd world is still stuck in the 20th, 19th and 18th century. The context is trash and pretty much meaningless.
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Unless you turn the Internet into a one way distribution system controlled by gatekeepers, you will social media and all it good and bad points, because that is the nature of human beings.
Are those the bots Elon was talking about?
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Mastodon active users is already declining
Hit a peak of about 2.5 M active users early December, down to about 1.8 M users now.
Lol, no, switching costs are about the same as always and is particularly high for Mastodon. In short, stop trying to make Mastodon happen, it’s already not going to happen.
Twitter is better than ever, regardless of how deranged you are about Musk. It’s cute you found a friend with a case of MDS as bad as yours, tho.
I wonder if HE understands what “Doxxing” is or how the 1st amendment works? No, probably not, you wouldn’t like him if you did.
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source, btw: https://www.pcmag.com/news/mastodons-active-users-are-declining
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I’m just gonna leave this here…
Yes, it’s from the PCMag article.
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Yes, and? I know you think you made a point there.
Mastodon got a boost from hateful liberals like Masnick screaming “I’m leaving Twitter!”, and…..that’s over now.
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I’m not hateful, nor liberal, and never said I was leaving Twitter, but beyond that, good point.
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hell yeah you are.
Your twitter profile basically has a “not home” sign. But what I said is people LIKE you. Y’know, hateful, liberal, severe Musk Derangement Syndrome.
Re: Re: Re:3
… said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
Re: Re: Re:4
Hey! I’ve spent a LOT of time on hallucinogens, and they’ve never made ME a raging asshole.
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Probably weren’t huffing FOX, then.
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“Twitter is better than ever,”
In what way(s).
Please be specific rather than flippant.
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“Because white supremacists like me get to finally be able to post without getting flagged for being total dipshits!”
-Matthew (who will never say this)
No one ever denies that making the switch from Twitter to Mastodon was gonna be easy, and might actually be daunting.
However, there’s that “network effect” happening, ie, people want to be where their friends and people they like are.
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There’s actually the problem where you if you allow people to be censored based on saying something racist the definition of “racist” will expand as politically convenient to silence dissent. As we have seen the last 20 years or so.
…ably illustrated by your eagerness to label just anyone who disagrees with you as racist. I’ve never said a single racist thing here, you know that, yet here you are.
Apparently not, or active users would not be on the downslope.
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Give yourself time. It’s only a matter of time before you clowns finally cave to the siren call of bitching about BLM.
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I reserve the right to be flippant. But principle benefit is much reduced censorship, which previously I think was stifling to the point that it was unusable, in addition to the fact I’m philosophically against it.
Being able to search for people I agree with and actually finding them having their tweets show up in my feed as requested, Trending Topics actually being what’s trending rather than something politically curated, etc.
Not taking orders from the fed gov is pretty great, too.
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And what, pray tell, was being “censored” such that the reduction thereof is considered a net benefit in your view? Please be agonizingly specific and thorough. Include examples, too. In fact, I insist that you include multiple examples of the kinds of speech you’re okay with Twitter choosing to host without consequence post-Musk buyout.
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Stephen, buddy, we’ve covered this already at length. I’ll sum it up as “Misinformation” (large chunks of which turn out to be absolutely true) and “politics liberals don’t agree with.
And before you start, no, I really do not want either a social media network nor government trying to adjudicate what is “true” or not. Not even if they were right, but especially because they are often wrong.
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Considering that social media platforms are all private property, your only choice would be to get a federally funded one. Which probably nobody would use.
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Man, you don’t read so good.
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…
You do realize that the un- moderated/censored “town square” is public property (AKA state or maybe in rare cases federal) right?
If you are having trouble figuring out the implication of 1A I’m probably not someone qualified to help you.
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No….you can have a private SM network and just choose not to censor it. (well, maybe not, ask Parler, but in theory you could)
I mean these “fact checkers” on FB are hilariously wrong all the time, often just spouting liberal talking points about matters of opinion, not even refuting the comment being made, etc. There’s no need for that.
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Please provide multiple examples.
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Re: Re: Re:8
So you can ad hominem the source? No.
Also not gonna link my personal FB, wtf.
Re: Re: Re:9
No evidence to back up claims, again. Shocker.
Please learn how to read. For all our sakes.
Re: Re: Re:10
I currently suspect they are trying to write a book: “1,000,001 ways to be wrong about everything”
However I don’t think it’d sell at all if it’s not humor.
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You WILL provide thise examples.
Unless you can’t, then your claims are not only bullshit, they are simply harassment masquerading as debate.
So, FUCKING PROVIDE THEM.
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Re: Re: Re:8
I actually would be happy to with more reasonable people, but that doesn’t include anyone here.
So get fucked, honestly.
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So you admot you’re not a reasonable person then.
HOW UNSURPRISING.
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Re: Re: Re:10
Try another read
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Tried it. It didn’t pan out the way you wanted.
Re: Re: Re:10
Don’t even bother. Next up he’s going to point to an opinion piece as some immutable fact. Then double down when called out on it. Then throw a hissy fit when called out on that.
Re: Re: Re:11
Nah, I’m expecting him to do worse than that.
He’s already “hinted” at violence.
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Horseshit. Very little misinformation turns out to be true. Prove me wrong. (Psst… You can’t!)
Care to cite a single concrete example of somebody being moderated on Twitter due to a political disagreement with “liberals”? Or their specific viewpoint that liberals disagree with?
I know you won’t be able to provide any real world concrete examples, so we can basically conclude that what you are saying is untrue.
Horseshit in other words.
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The covid vaccine has negligible effects (single digit) on transmission rates. Routinely labeled “misinformation”, now proven to be true.
The vaccine can cause adverse health effects. (I am not telling you this is common, it’s very rare, actually, but it does occur) Routinely labeled “misinformation”.
See how easy that is?
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And since you haven’t provided any links to studies / research that would back up these statements, then we can just as easily dismiss them as being untrue.
See how easy that is?
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Already the goal posts have moved. Magnificent.
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Being asked to provide evidence of your claims is not moving the goalposts, it’s simply the burden of proof that applies to you.
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It is when it’s not what he asked for initially. When I provide a source (that itself has citations, mind) you guys just go ad hominem.
So no, I don’t much care what you think “applies” or not, k, thx.
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If you make a serious argument and provide serious supporting evidence, most people here will treat that info with respect. The fact is you rarely do either of those things.
“I don’t think burden of proof applies to me” is an extremely unserious position to take.
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All evidence is that that is hilariously untrue.
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No it’s not, you’re just a ridiculously unserious bomb-thrower. Just because you can’t get anyone to take you seriously doesn’t mean others aren’t.
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I really don’t give a fuck what you think about it dude. I think it’s very funny if you take yourself seriously but I most definitely do not. This forum is a bunch of liberal arts majors that think they actually know things, get scared by math, refute a citation without even reading it, ad hominem to death, and constantly claim anyone who disagrees with them is racist.
Numerous times I have provided links to have the source attacked (laughably once claiming I should use a “neutral” source like The Verge) goal posts moved, and for them not even to understand basic statistics.
I really could not give less fucks what any of you take “seriously”
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And yet, here you are, all but begging us to take you seriously.
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Re: Re: Re:14
Whatever you need to tell yourself
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“Whatever you need to tell yourself”
You may be a dumbshit, near illiterate, right wing nut job. But you do offer the freshest projection around.
Re: Re: Re:16
Shame the content is so shit, tho’. Maybe he should start referencing movies or something.
Re: Re: Re:13
I definitely don’t take myself very seriously, but calling you unserious was just a polite way of saying you literally come off as a joke, a classic case of Poe’s law.
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“get scared by math”
I cannot recall a single instance of you providing anything that could feasibly be called math. I’m not altogether certain you can even count, inasmuch as I have seen you screw up the difference between five and six.
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My MS in EE would disagree with you.
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Re: Re: Re:10
That’s because you don’t pay me in Musk-flavored horse paste, soy boy. But unlike you, I have a direct beeline for the source.
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Re: Re: Re:11
Yeah, so, that wasn’t me.
Re: Re: Re:12 Have another L loser
Correct. That post was funny and intelligently made, therefore it couldn’t possibly be you.
Re: Re: Re:12
For as long as you’re too chickenshit to log in, you can provide no proof to back such claims.
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Just so we’re clear, this isn’t our first rodeo dealing with some dumb fuck who thinks it’s funny as shit to post simpering trash and then deny it afterwards like you did.
We had that with Shiva Ayyadurai, we had that with John Smith and his never-ending list of pseudonyms when he backed a horse named Prenda Law, we had that with antidirt and out_of_the_blue and just about every other copyright cocksucker out there.
So if you’re trying to fish for sympathy you’re going to be very disappointed.
Re: Re: Re:12
And here’s a little titbit you gave us earlier:
So why the fuck are you now giving a fuck about what other people take seriously?
Re: Re: Re:5
OH look right on time, the pivot to COVID misinformation cause bratty matty wants to lose two arguments at the same time.
Re: Re: Re:3
Nah, fam, you don’t get to escape the question so easily. I want concrete examples—linked or not, your choice—of the exact and specific kinds of speech you think Twitter refusing to “censor” after Musk’s buyout are a net positive. Any refusal to do so from here on out will be considered as nothing less than an act of cowardice from an admitted troll who dabbles in inflicting cruelty to others for cruelty’s sake and knows that providing such examples will sink his argument faster than Lake Superior took the Edmund Fitzgerald.
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Nah, I cited you facts and figures and math and you just went and called it “opinion”, which transparently you didn’t even understand what you were sneering at. Cited another set of figures and you just ignored it. So:
No, I don’t owe you shit, actually.
Additionally, you’re being kinda transparent to find an excuse to call me some form of “bigot”.
I really do think “Hate speech” and “misinformation” should not be censored, however, for reasons I have already laid out, not least of which is that it these terms are subject to often purposeful misinterpretation.
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And yet…
…you’ve said otherwise.
You are a coward, a hypocrite, a bigot, a liar, and—worst of all—a troll who wants nothing more than to make people suffer because they disagree with you. No wonder you’re a conservative.
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No…..I mentioned an extreme case that I wouldn’t “mind”, which is different than saying I’m for it. This is what I mean by you not arguing in good faith. As far as “gotchas” go that’s pretty fucking lame.
Man, if someone pointing out you’re wrong makes you “suffer” you’ve got real problems. Buckle up, buttercup
Re: Re: Re:7
lmao fuck off coward
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Re: Re: Re:8
Right back at ya!
Re: Re: Re:9
Go back to wearing the thong for Chozen, Matthew.
Re: Re: Re:6
“No wonder you’re a conservative.”
Oi 🙁
Matt ain’t a conservative. He’s a reactionary ass without the guts to do anything but shitpost.
Re: Re: Re:7
Sounds like a conservative to me.
Also don’t forget stupid as the day is long, in Antarctica, in the summer.
Re: Re: Re:8
“Sounds like a conservative to me.”
I refuse to cede the term to the coup types.
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Never going to happen… and we all know why!
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Re: Re: Re:3
Because he isn’t arguing in good faith, or because he’s fishing for excuses to call me a “bigot”? (both, the answer is both)
Re: Re: Re:4
Nope. It’s because you have zero proof to back up your assertions.
Why is that?
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Re: Re: Re:5
what ever you want to tell youself
Re: Re: Re:6
Oh look the loser just racked up another L.
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I mean, unless you’re a reporter who has covered Musk critically. Then you’re now censored. But, hey, whatever makes you think that Musk is doing better, that’s on you buddy.
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You misspelled “Doxxed Musk”
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Donie O’Sullivan wrote about the lack of a police report, not about ElonJet.
He is still banned.
So, no, you’re wrong.
Drew Harwell was banned after sending Musk a question.
Linette Lopez never mentioned anything having to do with ElonJet. Instead, she highlighted how Musk had doxxed her and sent people after her. She got banned.
Go on living your myth.
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[Citation needed]
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Nice try.
Re: Re: Re:3
And what about the ones that had nothing to do with any damn plane?
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Even by your own special definition of doxxed, the banned journalists did not doxx Musk, they merely annoyed him. His response exposed his hypocrisy and fragile ego.
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They linked to ElonJet, which yes, is doxxing. (and no, not a “special” definition, just the normal one)
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Most of them DID NOT link to ElonJet. Some of them mentioned the mere existence of ElonJet. And got banned. And still aren’t allowed back on Twitter.
Re: Re: Re:5
So you’re claiming that at the moment any journalist posted a link to a Twitter account, they instantly revealed Elon’s whereabouts and hence threatened him with harm?
You understand the concept of time right? A journalist’s post and an Elon flight almost certainly didn’t occur at the same time. You’re stretching out the commonly understood definition of the term to the thinnest of threads. Your obsession with it is kinda funny.
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1) there’s no reason at all to think that’s true, actually, tweets are often pretty snappy, but if it’s a screenshot, it only need be sometime during the length of the flight (several hours). Presumably no one has anti-aircraft missiles, the relevant bit is where it’s landing.
2) If it’s a link (I know some were) that’s the same as providing the doxxing information directly.
You are kinda making things up to make this sound other than it is, that’s weird.
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Anybody can provide a link to any Twitter account at any time. Are you claiming the links were to active flights? Or just to the account?
I’ve already asked you how this limited amount of publicly-available info could actually be used to harm someone but you wouldn’t or couldn’t provide an answer. I just think you’ve watched too many spy movies.
Re: Re: Re:8
Hell, I’ve even written up TWO scenarios that such data could be used and why it’s highly unlikely for any ENTITY to actually enact on those scenarios.
Re: Re: Re:3
… said nobody literate enough to understand what “doxxed” means, ever.
My general thinking is there’s a lot of people who are completely willing to leave Twitter over Musk’s clownery, but that that nunmber is a. probably less than you’d think if you were to base your survey on TechDirt users and b. the network effect keeping people pinned even as they begin to loathe where they already are is much stronger than generally given credit for.
Musk’s individual instances of horseshit will keep shifting some people, and that might cumulatively break that dam (and if it does Twitter’s dead in the water), but I think that’s somewhat unlikely. People will tolerate a lot in the name of an audience or friend group.
What will kill Twitter, if anything does, is a long-term outage (or consistent short-term ones, which is the more probable failure mode IME) while people are heavily dissatisfied with it. If your site doesn’t work your network effect is zero. And without that I think a lot of people in wait-and-see mode are just poof, gone forever to an alternative.
It’s a story that gets played out all the time with smaller-scale social media things; that Twitter is so much larger and more prominent gives it more inertia, but it doesn’t change the mechanics or motivations of user behaviour.
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Fixed that for you, there’s a lot of butt-hurt liberals like Masnick willing to just make things up.
And apparently that number is at most 2.5 million people, probably less
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Nice cope there.
Musk has scared off advertisers, users, employees, reduced income and facilitated the breaking of at least one major feature. He has lost himself and the company he bought billions in both market value and assets.
That’s not “purported clownery”. That’s clownery. No matter how much you delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
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You couldn’t pour piss outta a boot without a diagram on the heel, let alone fix my posts.
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You mean took a dump on it.
Musk has scared off advertisers, users, employees, he has basically sabotaged Twitter’s revenue stream, and he’s responsible for the removal of at least one major Twitter feature.
That’s not “purported clownery. That’s clownery. No matter how much you suck his dick.
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You either don’t know the definition of “purported” you really think you can gaslight us by just repeatedly claiming things didn’t happen or don’t exist.
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adjective
appearing or stated to be true, though not necessarily so; alleged.
“the purported marriage was void”
“Clownery” of course is an opinion, but Masnick routinely lies about the facts of a situation (for instance to pretend Elonjet is not doxxing) to make whatever it is about Musk that’s pissing him off seem worse than it actually is.
For instance in this article he’s pretending that people are actually leaving Twitter for Mastodon (a small number did) or that anything about the switching costs has changed. Or fuck, he just states, without any evidence, that Twitter is somehow “shitty” now.
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So, hes not pretending. People are leaving twitter and exploring and experimenting with other twitter like options, including Mastodon. It was the changes to the service that finally put me over the threshold to switch. The only reason I ever pull up twitter now is a few holdouts, and they are getting harder and harder to find in my feed.
Apples vs Oranges
What Twitter calls mDAU is not comparable to Mastodon.
There are no ads on Mastodon.
It is not clear the exact metrics that are used on either platform to calculate the average daily users.
A lot of the decline on Msstodon may be due to a bunch of bots and trolls signing up, but then they realized that they could not pump out their propaganda and nonsense into everyone’s feeds. They found out that it does not work like Twitter or Facebook.
It is interesting that Trump is back on Twitter, and wants to get back on Facebook.
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If anyone else is wondering, his account has been reinstated, but he hasn’t used it yet.
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I saw somewhere that it was because his contract with truth social prohibits him returning to Twitter for a period of time.
This is your daily reminder that the mental midget calling himself “Matthew M Bennett” is going to show up and pollute the comment thread of any article even tangentially related to Twitter or Elon Musk. He will not argue in good faith, he will bring nothing to the table but lies, unsupported assertions, and insults, and he will not stop spewing drivel until his comments are the last ones in any thread, because apparently in his tiny mind having the last word constitutes a “win”.
He is going to keep showing up until people ignore him, and the sooner we all start the sooner that will happen. Flag and move on…
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Keep up, I did already. You can read, right?
Mastodon daily users are trending down, already 72% of peak, making this article nonsense. I would call that “winning”, yes.
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… so are Twitter or Facebook gaining those users back, or are they “gone forever”?
And heh… I’m sure that nobody else will try Mastodon and stick around to make it a lasting thing. Right?
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Typical usage patterns they’re probably gone forever unless something else changes.
I’m sure some people will. Will that matter? Not really. Myspace still exists. So?
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So you’re saying that Twitter users being gone forever doesn’t actually matter. How was this supposed to be a winning strategy?
Mastodon isn’t going to become the equal of Twitter overnight, nor it’s replacement. It’ll grow steadily over the course of years as one by one minority communities are chased away from Twitter due to bigotry and harassment no longer being frowned upon by management.
I think the big issue facing mastodon will be the lack of brands, which use social media for advertising and for direct consumer interaction. The people running instances seem unwilling to hold their noses about that sort of thing and it will hinder the ability to ever reach the mainstream the way other platforms have. I understand why, don’t get me wrong, and I love my Mastodon experience so far, but anyone expecting it to replace even a nazified Twitter is going to be sorely disappointed.
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And for a lot of instance admins (and end users) of such Mastodon instances, that’s largely the point. Corporatizing Masto is the last thing they want—that would lead to people caring more about clout and metrics (and the gaming of said metrics) and all the other bullshit that eventually poisoned all the other social media networks.
People on Masto are fine with commerce. Artists will gladly advertise their wares and boost other artists doing the same. What they don’t want is capitalism coming in and forcing everyone to play by capitalism’s rules on yet another space on This God Damned Internet™. Keeping brands out of the equation is one example of how the Fediverse is trying to avoid becoming so mainstream that capitalism eventually turns Masto into another Twitter or Facebook—for better or, far more certainly, for worse.
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Also, there is nothing to stop a corporation setting up their own Mastodon instance, and using to proviso customer support etc.
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A corporation can do that, sure. But if it becomes nothing more than a vehicle for advertising, a hefty chunk of the Fediverse will end up defederating with that instance in short order—which would make the instance all but worthless to that corporation.
The Fediverse is, for better or for worse, trying to build communities instead of outlets for capitalism. Every community is going to have its own issues, and allowing them to interact with one another will create even more issues. But that’s human nature in a nutshell, which is arguably (but my no means objectively) made worse in an age of “disconnected connectivity” where we connect through tech more than we connect face-to-face. Dumping capitalism into that sort of minefield does nobody any favors…except maybe the capitalists.
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As a matter of fact:
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Since it’s active users are trending down, apparently not
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Seriously, were you dropped on your head as a child?
The fact that it’s trending down now, doesn’t mean it’s going to keep doing that.
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I actually said it isn’t going to grow, not that it’s going to go down forever. It’ll bottom out somewhere. It’s not going to grow precipitously again barring some outside event.
Logic isn’t your friend, huh?
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Ironic that you try to dunk on me for not understanding logic, and then immediately make a strawman.
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How the fuck did you misunderstanding what I said become me making a strawman?
I said it was going down
You said it wasn’t going to go down forever.
I said I never said that, but it does mean it’s not going to go back up on it’s own.
DAFUQ?
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Give Elon enough time to pull off a few more incredible fuck-ups, and Mastodon along with other platforms are going to see a surge in users. Or they could just fuck off from Twitter and never go anywhere. Either way, it won’t be a winning Musk strategy.
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Take the next step. Mastodon gets huge influxes from twitter fuck-ups, but not all will universally stay. Its the upkeep bellcurve. A new service launches or an old service has a milestone or viral event that sees mass adoption, but that popularity is short-lived. Thats why it sees a downward trend. It has seen that trend every time there is a twitter backlash. But Mastodon’s floor ends up being larger than the old userbase. Outside the major user spikes, new users are also coming into Mastodon faster than pre-Musk-twitter-buyout. This suggests that once Mastodon hits the floor on any given surge, they see user growth, and there is little to suggest that their floor isn’t still growing.
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He really is astoundingly stupid. I mean Outoftheblue wasn’t the brightest bulb in the socket but he shines like a mentally defective floodlight next to bratty matty.
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Matthew Bennett is what would have happened if out_of_the_blue’s Republican deepthroating had a baby with Hamilton’s persistent repulsiveness. I guess they needed some way to pass the time, so why not make a little COVID bastard?
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I mean, I can see how that might be a problem for people who are trying to monetize their Mastodon instances, but I’m not exactly clear on how it’s a downside from a user’s perspective. Nobody ever signed up for a service and then said “Oh no, I wanted more commercials!”
The biggest barrier to Mastodon adoption is the onboarding process. Most people get overwhelmed at the prospect of choosing an instance, and even if they make it past that, there are some serious discoverability issues as far as finding stuff you’re looking for.
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Eh, the Wendy’s account was pretty funny
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I don’t blame them.
It’s fairly hard to find stuff you’re interested in, and even then…
I don’t mind the general interest stuff, though, the main instance is pretty positive.
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Mastodon is “hot” right now because it’s a long-running competing social network that a lot of people were aware of, but hadn’t bothered checking out until Musk gave them very good reasons to start looking for alternatives. It had name awareness, plenty of information bout it and you didn’t have to give a lot of personal information to give it a try. That’s it, really. Other than that, it’s not necessarily a perfect fit for most people who have looked into it for any reason other than “I’m no longer comfortable on Twitter”.
As with all other moves in the industry, the “winner” here is going to be whichever competitor gives Twitter users what they want, and more importantly entices over the major accounts that a lot of people follow, and bring their followers with them. It could be something on Mastodon, where someone might find a way to get over the current issues of people not grasping federation vs centralisation, resource issues handling such large numbers of people defaulting to whichever node appears first for them, etc.
But, it could be something else entirely. It could be an older competitor who gains back traffic they lost years ago. It could be a new platform, maybe even one built on a fork from Mastodon. We can’t tell who will win here, but apart from it definitely not being one of the virtue signalling right-wing cesspools like Truth, Parler or Gab that have popped up to attract the worst people kicked off Twitter (since those people are back on Twitter and nobody else wants to be anywhere near them), who’s to say?
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In many respects the most plausible scenario is a return to Twitter, but that would be predicated on Musk reversing course and ceasing to beclown himself as he’s been doing. And from all indications that’s wildly unlikely.
This time the collapse is of more than individual platforms...
This time, it’s the collapse of the premise that we need to be on social media. After leaving enough of these emotion grinders, you realize how little you actually need any of them. I went to Mastodon for a bit only to realize it was annoying AF too. Same with Reddit where only those who have genuine expertise are shunned, and Insta that now wants to be Tik Tok so badly that it’s ruined what made Insta great. I discovered that I actually have zero need for social media, so I’m out. Now I communicate deliberately via other methods with the handful of people I really know well and want to have in my life. Thanks, Elon!