Tom Homan: If Democrats Don’t Stop Calling Us Murderers, We’re Just Going To Be Forced To Keep Murdering You
from the the-abuser's-lament dept
The murder of Renee Nicole Good by ICE officer Jonathan Ross has certainly created quite the divide between the reality-based majority of the population who doesn’t want masked unaccountable federal law enforcement goons invading cities they have no business being in and shooting people for saying “dude, I’m not mad at you” and trying to drive away… and the fantasy-land MAGA folks who are bending over backwards to justify the murder.
Late last week the video from Ross’s phone was released (why Ross was filming Good is a whole separate issue, but shows how Homeland Security is much more focused on producing memes, not doing actual law enforcement), which MAGA cultists pretended exonerated Ross. It did no such thing. It made him look way, way worse.
He deliberately placed himself in front of the vehicle. He walked around the car filming Good and her partner. As can be clearly seen in the video, Good turned steering wheel of her car all the way to the right such that the car was not heading towards Ross and could not hit him. And he shot her three times anyway, once through the windshield and twice through the open driver-side window. Even if you could (and you can’t) argue the first should was potentially justified if he thought the car was coming towards him, the fact that he easily stepped aside and then continued firing shows that it was not justified at all.
And, of course, his first words after murdering a woman in broad daylight in the middle of the street was: “fucking bitch.”
So her last words: “Dude, I’m not mad at you.” His first words after murdering her: “fucking bitch.”
And then, of course, there’s what was discussed last week: how the MAGA faithful immediately began lying and claiming she was a “domestic terrorist” with multiple people trying to twist the story to claim she somehow “deserved” this.
One of the leaders of the goons, “border czar” Tom Homan, (who appears to have gotten away with taking $50,000 in a paper bag from federal officials pretending to be business owners seeking favors from Donald Trump) went on Meet the Press on Sunday and talked about how Democrats need to stop calling ICE murderers or they’ll have no choice but to murder again:
The transcript is as ridiculous as it is chilling:
We gotta stop the hateful rhetoric. Saying this officer is a murderer is dangerous. It’s just ridiculous. It’s gonna infuriate people more which means there’s gonna be more incidents like this, because the hateful rhetoric is not only continuing, it’s gonna be double down or triple down.
It’s the classic abuser’s lament: if you didn’t want me to hit you, why were you so mean to me.
First of all, the ones ramping up the “hateful rhetoric” have been the MAGA faithful. They’re the ones spreading baseless conspiracy theories, insisting that Good was a “domestic terrorist” or a “paid agitator.” This is the same thing Homan, Gregory Bovino, Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem, and Donald Trump have been doing for months, encouraging ICE to see the public as enemies to be fought, not a public they are supposed to be protecting.
Second, if federal agents are so fragile that people calling them names means they’re going to murder people, they shouldn’t be federal agents at all. They shouldn’t be allowed to handle firearms, frankly.
This is textbook authoritarian blame-shifting: create the conditions for violence through dehumanizing rhetoric, then blame the victims when violence inevitably occurs. And it’s not just Homan. The entire MAGA ecosystem is working overtime to justify this murder and preemptively excuse the next one.
Case in point: Fox News columnist Dave Marcus, who wrote this weekend that “wine moms” protesting ICE’s occupations, invasions, and law breaking is somehow a criminal conspiracy of “wine moms.”
Say what?
Marcus’s piece is transparently absurd—he’s claiming that citizens exercising their First Amendment rights to criticize federal agents constitute a criminal conspiracy—but he gives away the real game a few paragraphs in. Good and these other “wine moms'” actual “crime” wasn’t obstructing justice. It was mocking ICE agents in a manner that hurt their feelings:
The video of Good and her partner heckling and, let’s be honest, goading ICE officers with an obnoxious smugness that makes most people’s skin crawl, is just one of many.
It’s difficult to think of something more “obnoxiously smug” than a Fox News columnist insisting that after an ICE agent murdered a woman in broad daylight for protesting ICE’s actions… we should blame protesting women.
We see these self-important White women doing it in video after video after video, taunting cops, insulting journalists or even bystanders, often with a weird and disturbing glee.
The inclusion of “journalists” in that list is also telling in multiple ways. First off, the MAGA world is way more famous for “insulting journalists.” Hell, it’s part of Trump’s daily activities to insult and taunt journalists. I can’t find any example of Marcus complaining about that. But it sounds like if wine moms make fun of him for his journalism, well, that just means they deserve to be shot in the face?
But, more to the point: obnoxious smugness, heckling, and even goading federal officers is textbook First Amendment-protected speech. Criticizing government officials, even obnoxiously, is perhaps the core function of the First Amendment. Marcus seems to have confused “speech that annoys federal agents” with “criminal conspiracy.” And he’s using his own confusion to justify murder.
All of this, of course, is coming straight from the top. Late yesterday, Donald Trump told the press gaggle on his plane that murdering Good was acceptable because “the woman and her friend were highly disrespectful to law enforcement” and that “law enforcement should not be in a position where they have to put up with this stuff.”
Yes, he is literally justifying murder by his personal police force by claiming that being “highly disrespectful” (i.e., engaging in First Amendment-protected speech) makes the use of deadly force “necessary.”
Also note how Trump himself reveals that all the retconning nonsense by his MAGA faithful that the shooting had nothing to do with how Good spoke to Ross was all pretext. This was always about whether or not you kiss the boot in front of you. If you don’t—if you are “highly disrespectful”—Trump and his cronies think they can shoot you. And if you complain about it, they can shoot more people.
The state sponsored murders of wine moms will continue until morale improves.
You can see how fragile and pathetic these men are. They are so desperate to subjugate and suppress people who disagree with them politically. They seemed to think that once they were in power, the public would love and admire them for their power. Instead, the vast majority of Americans see them for what they are: pathetic, insecure man-babies in way over their heads.
So, now their only recourse is to ramp up the threats. To say that if you actually call out their criminal actions, such as murder, for what they are, they’ll just be forced to murder more critics and protestors.
They will never take responsibility for their own actions. They will never reflect on their own culpability. Because to reflect would require admitting what everyone already knows: they have no argument. They have no legal justification. They have no constitutional authority for what they’re doing.
All they have is the authoritarian’s playbook: dehumanize your critics, commit violence, blame the victims, and threaten more violence if the criticism doesn’t stop. It’s the logic of every tinpot dictator in history, now being deployed by federal law enforcement on American streets.
There is no question that they’ll murder again. Homan has already promised they will. And it’s why we need to keep exercising our First Amendment rights to speak out against this authoritarian nonsense, rather than capitulating and letting them win.
Filed Under: abuse, dave marcus, dhs, donald trump, ice, murder, renee nicole good, tom homan
Comments on “Tom Homan: If Democrats Don’t Stop Calling Us Murderers, We’re Just Going To Be Forced To Keep Murdering You”
Or a “fucking bitch.”
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“Fucking bitch” was an expletive, not rhetoric. It makes Jonathan Ross a pathetic and callous excuse for a human being and very much makes clear that he was not shooting in defense of his life but out of a complete sociopathic disregard for human life of others.
The hateful rhetoric accusation belongs to those who justify this action.
But there is more: according to Kristi Noem, Jonathan Ross was acting according to his training and rules of conduct. If that is not just another lie (and I fear it may not be), then the DHS is training criminals and murderers and, well, essentially emptying the prisons and insane asylums of the U.S. onto its streets, letting the worst of the worst, murderers and likely soon rapists (“because those wine moms had it coming”) roam the streets no longer safe for upright citizens to walk on.
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Well there’re rapists in the white house and on scotus, so in the streets seems like a logical progression.
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ICE regularly hires the kind of people who, more often than not, have…issues with women—so not only could it be both an expletive and rhetoric, I’m convinced it was both.
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Yeah they have problems alright.
https://www.kbtx.com/2025/11/20/im-ice-boys-federal-agent-among-those-arrested-underage-sex-sting-police-chief-says
Getting bored of asking this...
… But where are the journalists, interviewers and reporters calling this bullshit out?
Who is actually challenging back on this?
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Welker did go after him for calling Good a terrorist and for freezing local law enforcement out of the investigation, but yeah, she kinda let that “it’s her fault for disrespecting them” bit go unchallenged.
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Well….I’d say Mike and Techdirt for one, Unicorn Riot, The Intercept, Mintpress News, Meidas News, Truthout, Truthdig,Counterpunch…to name a few.
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Interesting, cuz MM is actively lying.
The dude actually got hit (which is not even vaguely required to make it a justified shooting).
If you drive towards a cop who is detaining you you will get shot, every time. It will be legal, every time. If you survive, you will be charged with attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon.
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What video did you watch? He was hit in a previous incident but not this one. She was driving away, clearly. Also the shooter isn’t a cop. Stop trying to imply she broke some law that justifies death.
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You are responding to someone who thinks violence is always a solution if it is perpetrated on the right people (ie people who aren’t on the right) while also saying that “leftist are unhinged and violent”.
Think of the mental gymnastics needed to hold such opposing views at the same time and you’ll understand why he can’t comprehend actual reality.
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He was hit in this incident. You can see it very clearly in two videos, and you can hear the “thump” in this one (a split second before he shoots).
ICE agents are indeed LEO (i.e. “cops”) with arrest powers, you stupid sh!t.
Not even you believe you.
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If he was paying attention and not on his fucking phone, Jonathan Ross of Minnesota would have moved out of the fucking way. Like his stupid fucking ass should have learned the last few times he tried this nonsense and lost.
The asshole Nazi scumbag is a fucking moron, and hopefully is enjoying cowering somewhere like a fucking rat.
You’re a fucking moron, or you’re a friend of Jonathan out here schlepping for him, since he can’t do it himself because he’s scared. And for someone who by your account did everything right, he certainly seems afraid now. Why is that?
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He did move out of the fucking way. We know this because some of the videos of the incident clearly show where his feet are in relation to the vehicle (not in line, and outside the turn).
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Ah what a country of freedom and law this is
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So much shit in such few sentences. He wasn’t a cop. He had no authority to detain her. Neither training, procedures or case law says that it is legal to shoot a suspect attempting to flee.
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Every video I’ve seen of the incident shows no such thing.
Every video I’ve seen of the incident shows the ICE agents telling her to leave the scene and shows her trying to leave the scene before she takes three bullets to the head. Also: If a LEO is in the path of a moving car, the smartest thing to do is get the fuck out of the way of the car—because not only does firing at a moving car present risks to bystanders (including other LEOs), it also presents a risk to the LEO doing the shooting (since a dead person can’t steer their car away from the LEO). Also also: If the punishment for “disobeying” a LEO is summary extrajudicial execution by said LEO, you’re going to see a lot more people do a lot worse to LEOs than what Good is accused of doing to “deserve” the way she was executed. (It’s like if you make the punishment for an abortion, even in cases of rape, the same as the punishment for murder: Killing a rapist becomes a buy-one-get-one-free deal for a woman who was made pregnant via rape and wants to abort her rapist’s fetus.)
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You are lying. In two videos it can be clearly seen that he is hit. In his own cell phone video you can hear the thump.
You are lying. She was quite clearly told to get out of the car. She was being arrested. Very clearly audible. She also looked right at him as she hit him, she hit him on purpose.
Actually, no, the smartest thing is for them to shoot the person trying to kill them. Which is what they are trained to do.
Keep in mind they don’t have to be hit, the car just has to be driven towards them. It is a legal shooting in every state.
You are lying, and even you don’t believe yourself.
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She was also told to leave the scene. Does her inability to obey two distinct and opposing directives at once make her “deserving” of summary execution?
Maybe ICE agents are. But from what I understand, most LEOs and federal agents are taught to get the fuck out of the way of a moving vehicle because of the dangers that shooting at said vehicle poses to bystanders (including other LEOs), potential innocents in said car, and themselves. The smartest thing an ICE agent could do, especially one who can both film a cell phone video and shoot a woman simultaneously, would be to get out of the way of the car, then film its license plate to track down and arrest the driver.
The “funny” thing about your contrarianism is that I’d bet you’re someone who believes in the Second Amendment as a “necessary tool” against tyranny. But when agents from the government wearing masks and yelling “papers, please” before arresting people off the street (or worse) finally happened, you’re cheering it on. Your desire to “stop tyranny” was never about fighting actual tyrants and fascists—it was about stopping politicians you didn’t like for implementing policies you didn’t like that helped people you didn’t like. It was about a desire to be the one not with an imagined boot on your neck, but a very real boot on the neck of a Repugnant Cultural Other. Fascism is here in the United States and you celebrate it. Congratulations, stranger—you’re someone who would’ve turned in the Franks instead of helping them hide.
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I hear him bobbling his phone. The video goes skyward at that point. You ever seen a video in which the mic gets brushed? No, of course not. It can only be the events that fit the narrative you’ve been told to believe.
The video clearly shows him walking in front of the vehicle. It shows him approaching the driver’s side. Other videos show he has already drawn his weapon at that point (which you’re not supposed to do unless you’re planning on using it, which he didn’t have cause for even under the claim that she supposedly tried to run him over later). So even if your narrative about her motives were true, he put himself in that danger, and federal officers are explicitly told not to put themselves in front of vehicles. They’ve been explicitly told not to put themselves in front of vehicles so as to create an excuse to shoot the driver (something they have a habit of doing on the record). They have been explicitly told not to shoot at moving vehicles because, as happened, the vehicle can crash into other things. Would the officer have been justified if the dead driver’s car had run over a baby? Would you be screaming about how the baby shouldn’t have been on the sidewalk or obstructing “a law enforcement operation?”
Ross’ video also shows her turning the wheel the opposite direction from him. If she wanted to run him over, she would have turned it towards him. Also, she wouldn’t have accelerated from park.
She was given conflicting orders from multiple people. Also, they didn’t have cause to detain her. They claim she was blocking the road, but a vehicle had literally driven past her seconds before, demonstrating that the road wasn’t blocked. The officers approached her vehicle, so if there was danger, they put themselves there. If they didn’t have cause to detain her, then it wasn’t lawful to tell her to get out of the car, making it an illegal order that you don’t have to follow.
She was told to get out of the car. I didn’t hear anyone say “you’re under arrest.”
She spun the wheel to her right, away from him. She tried to avoid him. She was so intent on killing him that she tried to point the vehicle away from him? You are full of shit.
It’s not possible to kill someone by at worst brushing them with the corner of a vehicle that can’t get up to more than 15 mph from a dead stop. His first shot was through the front right side of the windshield because he was standing near the corner of the vehicle, not the front. The second two were from the driver’s side door. He wasn’t in front of the grill. He wasn’t in danger. She wasn’t capable of killing him. She showed no intent of killing him. However, he showed awareness of his ability to put himself in front of the vehicle to give him an excuse. He had already drawn his weapon. He approached the vehicle. The claim that people are weaponizing their vehicles against ICE has already been used multiple times by ICE and CBP agents and their spokespeople. This is an excuse they’ve been told to use. This is a tactic agents have been told to stop doing since they did it so much in the past.
It wasn’t towards him. It was away from him. And that isn’t legal in every state. First of all, you don’t know every state’s laws. You’re not supposed to shoot moving vehicles in general, but especially when they pose no danger, because you just make them more dangerous. Ross would have been responsible if the dead driver’s car had hit anyone. It’s okay to murder innocent drivers and subsequently any innocent bystanders apparently. How dare that dying woman with bullet holes in her head not swerve to miss the parked vehicle and come to safe stop!?! Law enforcement officers have lost their jobs for shooting at moving vehicles. But since you need an excuse, of course it’s perfectly legal!
If you wanted to hit, much less kill someone, would you do it from park (and in icy snowy streets with poor traction)?
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There’s an official DHS/CBP report (circa 2014/2015) if I recall correctly) — with reference to a number of specific incidents — about a practice in which CBP agents were deliberately positioning themselves in front of “suspect” vehicles to create an “I feared for my life” excuse for shooting the driver.
The report also clarified that this tactic was not only stupid, and not only endangered public safety, but that it is also flatly illegal — the Supreme Court had already established that by creating this otherwise arbitrary danger, officers nullify any right to claim a self defense justification for shooting the driver.
Oddly enough it turns out that Ross, though an ICE mercenary today, was a CBP agent of several years standing when that report was issued.
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Found this — worth a read:
The Man Who Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Standing in Front of Cars
A Three-Layer Analysis of Institutional Memory and Tactical Amnesia
https://hejon07.substack.com/p/the-man-who-learned-to-stop-worrying
It starts like this (and then looks at the legal arguments based on those facts):
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Ice was telling her to get out of the car.
The only person telling her to move or rather “drive baby drive, drive” was her wife, after she saw and heard the officer telling her to get out of the car.
Shame she thought that physically trying to stop LEO officers was more important than her children.
If she thought a crime was being committed by people with guns, she should have called the police.
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You know, a curious question arises from your post, and I really want you to answer it.
Let’s say you believe (as your post implies you do) that Renee Good deserved to die because she disobeyed a direct order from a law enforcement officer and put the life of said LEO, as well as potentially the lives of other people, at risk of violence. Doesn’t that mean you also believe Ashli Babbitt deserved to die on the 6th of January 2021 for disobeying a direct order from a LEO and putting the lives of that LEO and the people whom he was protecting at risk of violence? And if you don’t believe Ashli Babbitt deserved to die: What makes these two situations different other than your political leanings when, under the belief that Renee Good deserved to die, what she did to deserve being shot was, on a fundamental level, exactly what Ashli Babbitt did to deserve being shot?
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You probably won’t believe this, but I didn’t really see much of the Jan 6 stuff. Don’t even recognize name you provided. I will say I don’t believe it was an insurrection. Unless you want to say it was non-violent due to lack of weapons…
But no I don’t think Renee deserved to die or anyone else peacefully protesting. However, she performed actions to put herself in a dangerous situation where death is a possible outcome.
In my country, when you see an emergency vehicle approaching, from any direction, you pull over to the nearest shoulder and stop. You get out of the way. It is the law. *She had been parked in the middle of the road for at least 3 minutes after her wife got out of the vehicle.
In my country, when you are told to by an officer to get out of the car, you get out of the car. You obey orders now, fight in court tomorrow. If it isn’t the law of the land it is the law of living another day.
You people are judging this from your lazy boys. Put yourself in the officers shoes for 3 seconds and then tell me what your thought processes were in those 3 seconds. Keep in mind his view. He couldn’t see what direction the tires were pointed
She thought obstructing officers from their lawful duties is a game. It isn’t a game, it isn’t a lawful protest.
If she thought they were breaking the law, why didn’t she call the police?
I’ve answered your questions the best I can, now how about answering mine.
Do you want civil war in your country?
Do you feel the police are inadequate in Minneapolis and that there needs to be more vigilantes?
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On the 6th of January 2021 CE, a large group of supporters of Donald Trump—who lost the 2020 presidential election and was still the sitting POTUS for two more weeks—marched upon the Capitol building, at the urging of Donald Trump and several of his high-profile supporters, with the intent to protest the results of the election and the certification thereof, which was taking place on that day and at the time said group marched to the Capitol. A significant number of the people in that group breached the Capitol building, which was closed to the public that day due to the election certification, by breaking through windows along the Capitol. This breach forced the stoppage of the election certification while it was happening and provoked Capitol police and other federal LEOs in the Capitol to hide and defend both members of Congress and Mike Pence, then the sitting Vice President and the person tasked with the job of certifying the vote. Among many other things, the people who breached the Capitol went around looking for members of Congress (including several people who called out Nancy Pelosi by name), and people both inside and outside the Capitol chanted “hang Mike Pence”.
Factually: A group of people broke into a federal building to, at best, disrupt the certification of a free and fair election so its rightful winner wouldn’t be certified as such and Donald Trump could potentially remain in power despite losing the 2020 election. If you don’t think that qualifies as an insurrection, I worry about what you think does qualify.
By that logic, anyone who films an ICE agent or stands in the area of an ICE agent as they perform their duties puts themselves at risk of being executed. Do you really want to go on record as saying that people deserve to die while they’re filming government agents—whose salaries are paid for with tax dollars and therefore qualify as public servants—specifically because they were filming government agents?
I can’t actually do that. But I’ll tell you what he would’ve been trained to do: not step in front of a fucking vehicle to give himself an excuse to execute the driver. And yet, despite such training, that’s exactly what he did. For his mistake, a woman is dead. And like Trump and his flunkies, you’re still trying to blame the victim. What, are you going to smear her wife as a queer commie extremist next and demand a full-on Congressional investigation into her children to see if they were radicalized?
You don’t know what she thought. And we’ll never be able to ask her what she thought because she was fucking executed.
Because judging by how the cops didn’t arrest her killer for killing her, the cops wouldn’t have done shit.
I have made my feelings on political violence well known on this site, but if you haven’t been paying attention: No. No, I do not want a civil war in the United States. I’m well aware of what that shit means for everyone, including the soldiers who would be asked to fight American citizens and the civilians who would be forced to fight the military, and I will not in any way ask for or demand a civil war be started in this country. That doesn’t mean I refuse to recognize that such a war is becoming slightly more inevitable each time some shit like this happens in this country and ICE isn’t immediately fucking abolished.
And before you ask: I was born two decades before the Department of Homeland Security was ever a thing, so I remember a world without ICE. We were fine without it back then, and we’ll be very fucking fine without it now.
Did you buy this shitty bait from Sneed’s Feed & Seed (formerly Chuck’s), or did you make it yourself?
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You always complain that I’m not a lawyer so can’t talk about this, while you (an engineer) pretend to understand the law.
So let’s listen to an actual lawyer who broke down the actual laws at play here and finds little evidence to support the claim that what Ross did was legal or justified based on the law in Minnesota (contrary to your ignorant claims).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AQbhes-Ntw
I know, I know, you will claim that Devin must be some leftist so you can dismiss him, but the thing you won’t do (because you can’t) is refute the laws and cases he cited.
Because that’s impossible.
I get it, you have to lick the boots of your team. You can’t not. Because if you ever admitted reality you’d have to also admit that you committed to a cult that demanded you lie, and you’re too proud to ever admit that.
It’s pathetic, but note that NOT A SINGLE PERSON here agrees with you. Because the group of people who will still reflexively lie in support of this murderous regime is small and shrinking.
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I know sites like this and Meidas are, but I’m talking about the press in the room and on the national broadcasts.
Tapper gave a half-arsed challenge back to Noem the other day but it’s not enough.
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The US press has spent so many years responding to republican claims of ‘bias’ by bending over backwards to appease and sanewash them that at this point one of their ‘journalists’ flat out calling a republican a liar may be possible, but only to the level that it’s possible to win the lottery.
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If you think mainstream media is anything but a leftwing propaganda operation you’re retarded.
Man, the lies shitlibs tell themselves.
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What would be in it for them? There is no reason not to cover for the distribution of one’s readers, and the comparatively narrow elections of the past decades make clear that the median of this distribution is pretty much in the middle of the voter spectrum (which compared to civilized countries is not really left-leaning).
Or are you proposing that a significant ratio of “conservatives” is illiterate?
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I’m proposing that an outsized selection of liberals go into relatively useless careers like journalism.
The liberal bias of media is well documented. (like 95% left leaning)
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You keep using words… but they don’t mean what you think they mean.
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I’m sure you have actual documentation to back up that assertion? And no, Glenn Beck or your crazy Uncle Cletus’ blog aren’t going to cut it.
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Mainstream media, at least on TV, currently consists of at least two broadcast networks that operate on a center-right lean, one broadcast network that now explicitly operates on a rightward lean, two cable news networks that operate primarily on a centrist bent with occasional dips into the left and far more occasional dips into the right, and one cable news network that explicitly operates on a rightward lean to the point where it is commonly referred to as an unofficially official part of the GOP. No mainstream media in the United States operates on a strictly leftward bent; that you believe otherwise tells me you think a news organization reporting facts instead of accepting and spreading propaganda from the GOP is “leftist”, and that says more about you than it will ever say about anyone else.
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If you think mainstream media is anything but a leftwing propaganda operation you’re retarded.
So tell me, big-time engineer…where should any of us go so that we see the same content as you?
I fucking dare you, Tubby.
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Large media outlets are owned by millionaires and billionaires. That’s not leftwing. You use words you don’t understand.
These things are why nonviolent resistance is absolutely crucial. Any violence from ‘the left’ lets them immediately feel completely vindicated and wholly justified, and would help them muddy the stark contrast between magaworld and everyone else.
Trump, Miller, Vance, Bannon, more; all of them… they’d all drop to their knees and scream hallelujah to the heavens if ‘the left’ ever actually got violent.
It would be exactly what they want.
There are going to be borderline delusional people who simply cannot let themselves believe their own lying eyes, and will only faithfully parrot the maga dogma regarding any event, no matter how crystal clear.
But fuck those people.
Their minds are set and won’t change until all this is over, at which point they’ll magically always have been against it.
So disregard them, or, mock and shame them if you can’t ignore them.
But we should never give them what they want.
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The problem is that they don’t even need “the left” to show any violence at all. People in Minnesota are rightfully protesting and doing so peacefully. Trump is responding by sending more masked jackbooted thugs in with the hopes that more innocent Americans will be slaughtered on the city streets. Good did nothing that any sane person would consider violent against officials. She ended up getting shot multiple times.
Source for the efforts to bring in more ICE agents: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpv7knz8e8mo
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Any violence from ‘the left’ lets them immediately feel completely vindicated and wholly justified, and would help them muddy the stark contrast between magaworld and everyone else.
Maybe, but this has the potential to run right in the face of the Paradox of Tolerance. You can only tolerate the intolerant for so long before you’re no longer able to tolerate, but must submit instead.
And given the scope of what has been happening, I’m not sure avoiding violence because it may cause more violence is going to scale well anymore.
It’s sad, but I think ICE/CBP/BP aren’t going to get the message until a few of them get hospitalized for something other than NOT getting hit by a car.
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The only “message” an ICE agent would get from that is that the civil war assholes like them have been drooling over happening is finally here.
Additionally:
Nonviolent resistance
is not necessarily the same as
peaceful(/tolerant/lawful) resistance.
Give them no violence, but also give them no peace.
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I’ve made my position on political violence as clear as I possibly can through commenting on this site, and even I recognize that if ICE keeps acting like lawless cowboys who think Trump will always have their back and always pardon them if they kill protestors and shit, we will see people doing worse things to ICE agents than blowing whistles and hurling insults. It’s going to get really fucked up out there. And I don’t think a bunch of out-of-shape, racist, sixth-grade-dropout police department rejects have any desire to fight a civil war.
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And I don’t think a bunch of out-of-shape, racist, sixth-grade-dropout police department rejects have any desire to fight a civil war.
I disagree, I think a good number of them would relish the thought(why else would they have joined the US gestapo after all?) but only because they’ve fallen for the propaganda that the ‘left’ are pacifistic cowards who would never be violent(despite the simultaneous claims that left-leaning people are the only violent people in the US) meaning they’d be the only ones doing the shooting and killing. Should things ever get that bad I expect they’d go from eagerness for bloodshed to ‘this isn’t what I wanted at all!’ real quick.
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Those same dopes probably think a civil war will be fought on battlefields by soldiers and shit, not fought through guerilla warfare on the streets of major American cities where people are trying to get to work or the grocery store or their children’s after-school sports games. They seriously need a reminder of what Sherman did on his March to the Sea. Everyone always wants a nice, orderly war fought between militaries. Nobody wants a war that could hit their front doorstep. Unfortunately for those people, civil wars are never limited to battlefields—and in war, there are no winners.
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Should things ever get that bad I expect they’d go from eagerness for bloodshed to ‘this isn’t what I wanted at all!’ real quick.
I agree – there seems to be this grandiose thinking that some goon squad being assholes in a crowded city would be exactly how things would play out everywhere. But that shit won’t scale.
Said goons seem to have forgotten how guerilla warfare smacked the ever-living shit out of the mighty US military in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. And those were small countries a fraction of the size of the US, with far smaller percentage of guns and gun owners.
You can hear the fear in Homan's voice
Can’t you? Can’t everyone? Isn’t it obvious?
These people are terrified of their fellow citizens — because some of them happen to be brown or black or women or LGBTQ or pretty much anything. They’re shaking with fear; they’re cowards — to the bone. Which is of course why they mask their faces and wear body armor and carry lots of weapons: THEY’RE AFRAID.
So remember: when you see them, mock them. Insult them. Degrade them. Humiliate them. Because they deserve it.
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ICE can terrorize two, maybe three major American cities at a time. And in those cities, they’re facing major opposition from American citizens. At some point, that opposition might turn violent—not that I’m hoping it does, mind you—and if that happens, the fact that ICE is vastly outnumbered in terms of manpower and (possibly) firepower is going to be really fucking demoralizing and frightening to them.
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I’m pretty sure the AC just above nails it in that the regime would love it if things went that way and people started shooting/physically fighting back, to the point that while publicly they’d be condemning the ‘cold blooded murder/terrorism by the left attacking ICE agents’ in closed door meeting they’d be cheering loud enough to shake the light fixtures at finally having a real act of violence they can use to ‘justify’ their brutal suppression tactics.
I also strongly suspect that of the members of the US gestapo that have the capability to think about it and have done so they know this as well, which is probably not great for morale or helping their non-existent courage.
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Yeah, I get the feeling the people in what we could call the Ivory Tower are all for a civil war against American citizens because it means they can enact their own personal Purge and get rid of all the “bad” people—marginalized demographics, “race traitors”, people not sufficiently loyal to The Cause—even if it means getting rid of some of their own “soldiers” in the process.
“They seemed to think that once they were in power, the public would love and admire them for their power.“
Indeed. These people think respect comes with the job because they’re authoritarians trained to think authority is always legitimate so you should always respect the people above you. Just like they think being a white man automatically makes you the most qualified for every good job, so DEI hiring means you can’t be getting the best people. Because that’s actually the big joke of this: If they don’t like someone above them, they not only don’t get respect but are considered to have the job illegitimately.
The idea of earning respect seems impossible to them because they think fear and respect are the same things and not opposites. I’ve had several righties say this despite my best attempts to explain the difference. They were taught to fear authority and call it respect; then wonder why the people under them don’t like them. So much of what we see are emotionally repressed victims still traumatized by their mean parents and dumping that trauma on others. They were forced to fake maturity at a young age and never really grew up.
And yeah, Trump has been craving respect his whole life because his success is unearned and anyone with taste or brains knew he was a clown. Yet those are the people he wanted praise from and he loathes people who are submissive to him like MAGA because he doesn’t want to be the member of any club that would have a creep like him. He thought being called Mr. President would finally give him the admiration he needs and instead he just gets his handlers coddling him and telling him that all dissent is manufactured and his approval ratings are 1,600%. Sad!
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Except if they’re a different skin colour, then they can only justify that with the belief that those people with authority clearly cheated the system to obtain it.
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With “cheating the system” meaning “evading hoops explicltly created for hampering them”.
So the go-to lie against Obama was not election denialism (“people did not actually vote for having him”) but birtherism (“people voted for him but should not get him because of rules”).
And much of the hubbub of the election denialism was about “only letting legal votes count”, meaning throwing out every vote clearly and unambiguously cast by a legitimate voter but not meeting every single formal requirement.
Again, the approach not being to make sure that everyone allowed to vote will be able to vote, but rather that only those are allowed to vote who manage to jump through all the hoops. Essentially what “literacy tests” were for in the old days, winnowing down the field in a manner you like to see.
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Not only did she hit him, she hit him on purpose. She was looking straight at him.
Remember when you cited a biased NYT article claiming she couldn’t have been hit?!? Well, he was. Stupid as that “analysis” was it was immediately invalidated. You can hear it in the video, a thump right before he fired.
And btw, when a cop fires at you, they keep firing until the threat is neutralized. If you live through being “neutralized”, that’s just happenstance.
It’s called collecting evidence, moron. Cops are ALLOWED to stand in front of your car, ESPECIALLY when you’re being detained (she was). If you drive TOWARDS the cop with any speed they will shoot you. You DO NOT have to even hit them for it to be assault with a deadly weapon, every state in the country. Justified use of lethal force, every single case.
Good and her GF were specifically TRYING to cause an incident, the GF told her to “drive, baby drive!” (when she had been ordered out of the car) and got her killed. Notice she hasn’t realised her video?
Minnesota even has a specific law legalizing this. (not required, case law covers it) Time Walz signed it.
So not only are you completely ignorant as to the law (as usual) you are utterly lying about the facts.
It was not murder it was self defense. And you are a disgusting liar. Lying, apparently, because you don’t want the actual law enforced. They all gotta go home.
And if you hit me with your car, I might call you some nasty names too.
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You were told you were full of shit across 226 comments on the other post.
You’re still full of shit, you Nazi scumbag.
And his name isn’t ‘him’ – it’s Jonathan Ross of MN. That’s the murderer.
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Nazis were socialists and hated the Jews, just like modern democrats. Any of them that are still alive are 90+.
Anyway, your ignorance of the law is not an argument, retard.
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No. No, they were not. The entire existence of the Nazi party from Hitler’s rise to the end of World War II, as well as the political leanings of those who would claim themselves as the inheritors of Hitler’s legacy and beliefs, disproves the notion that the Nazis were socialists. Tell me the last time you heard of a socialist who dreams of gas chambers and ethnic cleansing.
LMAO. If anything, the GOP hates Jews far more than Democrats do. They don’t make that hatred an open thing, sure. But plenty of Republicans pal around with antisemites, and many Republicans in power believe in the not-actually-in-the-Bible dogma that says Jews must all return to Israel so they can be annihilated as the precursor to the Rapture. I mean, do you think any Republican actually gives a shit about how the only synagogue in Jackson, Mississippi—a synagogue that was once firebombed by the Klan—was burned down?
Says the coward who calls me “cake boy” because of their intentional misunderstanding of non-discrimination law.
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National socialism isn’t socialism. Night of the Long Knives you uneducated moron. They executed socialists and communists in death camps.
Your degree from PragerU isn’t accredited, dumbass.
What do you think about George Soros?
Actual socialists wish Democrats were socialists. They’re not even close. And there are more Jewish Democratic voters than Republican. So you’re claiming Jewish people hate themselves or something. If you’re purporting to speak for them, then you’re being antisemitic.
Ah, yes. They’re not Nazis because they’re not from the Nazi region of 1930s Germany. They’re just sparkling fascists. I’ve made this joke too many times but you idiots keep making it evergreen. Nazi also means fascist and white nationalist in common usage.
Pretending to be pedantic when you don’t even know what Nazism or fascism is doesn’t work.
And yet you’ve never actually cited the law you keep claiming supports your position.
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Your defense of a murderer is lame, even by the low standards we’ve become accustomed to seeing from MAGATS. How long have you been harboring fantasies about sadistically killing women?
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Renee Good killed herself, at the urging of her GF (who is a child abuser, btw)
I know YOU REALLY WANT it to be a murder, you retards are desperate for it to be one, but it was straight forward self defense.
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Renee Good shot herself in the face with three bullets?
…from a guy who intentionally stepped in front of a car to give himself an excuse to shoot a woman in the face. Even if I were to agree that she was trying to ram him (I don’t) and that the car hit him (I don’t), he still put himself in a position to be hit by the car by stepping in front of it. Every video shows him stepping in front of the car. Tell me, is it standard operating procedure for cops to intentionally step in front of a car, moving or otherwise, to give themselves an excuse to execute the driver of that car?
Re: Re: Re:2 Jonathon Ross's contrived action not legal 'self-defense' (and he knew it). Renee Good's motive's not even relevant.
The law is clear — there was an actual Supreme Court decision on the matter — that officers can not place themselves in front of a vehicle and then shoot the driver in “self defense” (not even if the driver is known to be an actual criminal).
Note that there was also an official CBP report — actually published during Jonathon Ross’s tenure as a CBP agent — about an observed, ongoing CBP practice (specific incidents were noted) of deliberately or voluntarily placing themselves in front of a “suspect” vehicle and then shooting the driver “in self defense” out of “fear for their own safety”.
The report noted that this was not only personally reckless, and not only that shooting the driver also endangered the general public, but also, last but not least, removes the shooting officers ability to plead self-defense.
So even if Good had been trying to run Ross over (any objective examination of the available videos makes clear this was not the case), nonetheless, as Ross unnecessarily contrived to walk across the front of Good’s vehicle and stand more or less in front of it, every shot Ross fired, even the first, was murder or attempted murder, not “self defense” — and he damn well knew it.
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Nazis were socialists and hated the Jews
Yeah, whatever you goosestepping fucking underbrain. Tell yourself whatever bullshit you need to comfort yourself for being a window-licking MAGA.
Jonathan Ross of Minnesota is a murderer and is going to rot in fucking jail. Fuck him, his family, and his cunt of a mother for shitting him out.
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She was obviously trying to avoid him and if she bumped him it’s because he foolishly put himself in danger and she couldn’t possibly avoid him. She was turning the wheel while backing up in a way that would avoid him, then turned the wheel away from him to avoid him. Had he just stepped out of the way he’d have been totally safe and that’s what law enforcement is required to do. His bullets did nothing to protect him so he obviously didn’t need to shoot.
The idea that law enforcement can block your car and use that as an excuse to shoot them if they drive forward is not only laughably dumb but is not the law. Not only do cops not have a right to block your car upon penalty of death, but they’re trained to NEVER put themselves in that position. I’ve seen so many police stop videos and cops put their own lives first and demand that drivers turn off the car even for routine traffic stops; let alone when dealing with a supposed domestic terrorist. They don’t stand in front of cars because real criminals will just run them over. And they definitely don’t stroll around cars with their phones out recording. He was only saved because she DIDN’T want to hit him.
But this moron either has no sense of self preservation or intentionally put himself in danger as an excuse to shoot. And last year he got hurt putting himself in danger doing something cops don’t do because it’s dangerous and you can end up getting hurt like he did. Either way what he did was criminal and you’ll just be angry when he gets prosecuted because you watch too many movies and think that’s how the law works.
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This kind of person is what democracy in the USA is up against
He’ll swallow any bullshit so that he doesn’t have to think and believe their masters when they say that murdering people is justified
He’ll lie and lie and lie because it hurts his feels to even think of admitting to himself that pseudo-cops committing murder is morally wrong
The American FYIGM attitude in the flesh of a political sheep
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Exactly 0 human beings say any of that slop.
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“Incel” didn’t work so now you guys are just pretending everyone is a bot, huh?
No wonder you keep losing.
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You’re as accurate about ‘losing’ as you are about Good’s murder.
How them elections since Trump’s by-the-skin-of-his-teeth win been going?
How them court cases been going? The only thing stopping the Trump regime from getting completely swept by losses in courts, including by Republican (and even Trump-appointed) judges, is the corrupt SCOTUS.
People call MAGAts bots because you act like them.
Unintelligent, uncaring, uninformed, disingenuous, inflexible, incurious, unimaginative, and, most damningly:
Eagerly willing to be puppeted around by right wing media and Dear Leader.
You were programmed to be a useful idiot for the wealthy and powerful, and you accepted that role wholeheartedly.
Bot.
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Remember: If the police/ICE are allowed to kill “anyone” for any real or imagined reason, “anyone” includes you and your loved ones as well.
I know empathy is a lot to expect from anyone, but I feel like I should at least expect self-preservation.
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If Good had hit Ross with her car right before he fired, hard enough to make an audible ‘thump’, his shot would have gone wild and he would have been knocked down.
And by the way, the Law (clearly laid out in an actual Supreme Court decision, more than a decade ago) is that officers simply can not voluntarily put themselves in front of a vehicle, and then claim self-defense as justification for shooting at the driver — not even if the driver is an actual criminal with an actual warrant for their arrest.
Additionally, Ross, as an experienced CBP officer at that time, is very well aware of this — there was even a CBP inquiry and report on the issue, noting (with a number of specific CBP incidents) that this was known CBP practice.
So, glaring at violent killers who are in the service of other violent killers is now a capital, Federal crime deserving of summary execution? I think their murder spree will be just one of the markers to bring about their own downfall. Unfortunately, more murders are likely to occur. More lies will be promoted by them to defend their murders as “righteous.”
Ten years ago we didn’t need to make America great again. It had never stopped being great. There were problems to address, but losing greatness wasn’t one of them. Now, though, after Trump has turned America (its government anyway) to shit, we definitely do need to make America great again. Now, MAGA means something different: Make American Government Accountable (to US, the people of America). That’s what elections are for in a Democratic Republic.
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No, driving at a cop (and she did hit him, not that that was required) will get your shot by the cop in self defense.
Every time, every state (by case law) but Minnesota specifically has law legalizing this signed by Tim Walz.
I cannot understand how liberals think they can lie about this, and yet you are.
‘People need to be civil and helpful when masked thugs come for their friends and neighbours, and to just follow orders like good citizens. Don’t worry when they come for the communists, socialists, trade unionists and jews, there’ll be plenty of others on the list before you, honest.’
If you don’t want to be called a murderer then stop your agents from fucking murdering my neighbors.
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self-defense, actually.
Has anyone checked murderer Jonathan Ross's history?
Given that he brutally murdered a completely innocent woman without hesitation, I think it likely that he has a violent past — you know, domestic abuse, sexual assault, that sort of things. Violent guys like him typically don’t do this sort of thing just once: it tends to be a pattern. (No doubt this is why he joined ICE: he was hoping for the opportunity to slaughter people in order to satisfy his bloodlust.)
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Especially with LEOs. Cops love to cover up one of their buddies getting “handsy” with his wife, after all.
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“I’ve lost the legal and factual argument so I’m just going to make shit up about the guy I think is bad.”
Renee Good’s wife/GF abused her kids and Good refused to make her stop, tho. That’s why she lost custody. Literally a matter of public record.
Meanwhile you’re making up shit about the cop.
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I didn’t accuse Some Asshole of being a perpetrator of domestic violence.
I heavily implied that the profession of policing, which extends to federal law enforcement, has a long history of covering up domestic abuse by people within that profession. That also further implies that LEOs have, more often than not, largely negative and misogynistic opinions of women. These implications play into the documented fact that domestic abuse of women by men is a well-known precursor to lethal violence either inside or outside the home. But at no point did I explicitly say that the man who murdered a “fucking bitch” (his words, not mine) while she was trying to follow a conflicting set of directions and may have accidentally hit him with her car was a perpetrator of domestic violence. Prove I did.
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Neat, now do lesbians. (it’s way higher)
(and yeah you did, jackass)
Again, you are just lying. He told her to get out of the car 3 times. There was nothing “conflicting” about that.
The fact you guys are seizing on that he called her a bad name AFTER she tried to run him over really is telling. It means you have nothing else. (except to just lie about the events, as you just did)
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Then please quote the part of my comment where I explicitly and irrefutably accuse Some Asshole of being a man who beats his wife, girlfriend, or some other woman in his life. Go ahead, spell it out for me.
And another agent told her to leave the area. Which action was she supposed to take: leave the scene or get out of the car?
Two things:
Every accusation, a confession.
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Meanwhile you’re making up shit about the cop.
Well, we DON’T know that he ISN’T a violent wife-beating piece of shit, do we? Or maybe a history of discipline that should have been an indicator that this guy is going to be a monumental fuck-up?
Jonathan Ross is welcome to come out of the closet and set the record straight. If he isn’t scared, that is.
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I am sure at least 40% of cops would tell you he’s a great guy.
Speaking of being obnoxiously smug...
The video of Good and her partner heckling and, let’s be honest, goading ICE officers with an obnoxious smugness that makes most people’s skin crawl, is just one of many.
Boy did that crowd go from ‘Fuck your feelings’ to ‘If you offend me by acting obnoxious I have a right to murder you’ real quick…
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It’s an accurate description of what they were doing (they were TRYING to create an “incident”) but the reason she was shot was because she was driving at the cop, which is assault with a deadly weapon. It was self defense.
This is a justified shooting in every state. MM (and other media and democrats) are straightforwardly lying to you.
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You didn’t pass sixth grade math, did you? Well, maybe technically you did because they got tired of holding you back, right? Also English class too because you apparently think adjacent to and away from means “at.”
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We’re just gonna have to see if it’s self-defense or murder.
Aren’t you curious as to why we haven’t heard Jonathan Ross’ side of the story? He could clear it up pretty quick, but he’s scared. Which, by the way, is a pathetic quality to have in law enforcement. I like my law enforcement not scared and hiding.
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Oddly enough, self-endangerment on an officer’s part, actually nullifies any ability for the officer concerned to claim “self-defense. And according to the Supreme Court, this specifically includes when an “officer” places themselves to the front of a vehicle and then shoots the driver “in self defense”.
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It’s fuck your feelings, not fuck my feelings.
Thin skinned response against truth spoken
Typical thin skinned toadie response against a truth spoken about them, especially when they’re murdering neighbors that did nothing to deserve it. Another one added to the list for a ‘Nuremberg 2.0’ trial.
I’ve seen a video of the officer being stricken by the Good vehicle in the hip. That video was taken from approximately 200 yards away from the 2 o’clock position from the driver’s perspective. I’m genuinely asking; is that AI?
If that is an authentic video, then it is clearly self-defense and defense of others for the officer to use lethal force against the person who rammed him.
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You would need to show us the video first. But all the videos I’ve seen that have been confirmed as legit don’t show him being hit at all—or, if he was hit, being hit so lightly that it barely registers as him being hit.
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He was definitely hit, but I see the goalpost shifting has begun. “Oh, he wasn’t hit that bad.”
Numbnuts, he doesn’t have to have been hit at all for it to be a legal shooting.
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I haven’t seen any video that conclusively proves your claim.
There’s a difference between someone being tapped with the bumper of a car going at a low rate of speed and someone having part of their body run over by a car going at a higher rate of speed. If you think being tapped is worthy of execution, you better pray you never accidentally bump into anyone in a parking lot, or else no one will have any pity for you when you’re killed for doing it.
The only reason he was in any danger from the car in the first place is because he put himself in danger. He gave himself an excuse to execute Renee Good, and now he has to live with that fact for the rest of his life. Which, if there’s a just and loving God (there isn’t), will be shortened by his decision to…well, to both paraphrase Hellsing Ultimate Abridged and quote Some Asshole himself, to puss out like a “fucking bitch”.
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It doesn’t matter. Officers are not allowed to voluntarily, let alone deliberately, place themselves in the escape path of a vehicle, and then claim they subsequently were forced to shoot the driver in self defense (unless the driver is threatening them with an actual weapon, such as a pistol — the vehicle itself explicitly doesn’t count).
The CPB itself commissioned a report on this — at the time that Ross was a CPB officer — that described this known CBP practice (including several dozen specific examples) of deliberately creating a situation of officer endangerment, to justify resorting to deadly force under the guise of “self-defense”, and called out the practice as not only illegitimate but dangerous to officers and general public alike.
https://www.rawstory.com/border-patrol-shooting-2674878723/
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And by the way, just one more little thing… Please do explain how Ross could allegedly be struck by Good’s car, and not only not have been knocked of his feet (or at the very least staggered) but could even — fractions of a second later — still accurately shoot Good through her windshield?
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So you can shoot at cops and if you don’t hit them with any bullets or anything, all is good, no problem and cop shouldn’t be firing back right?
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https://youtube.com/shorts/LYm7SsakcxI?si=x3PyBNekuGw_oAxC
This is the one I was talking about earlier.
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I can’t definitively say whether the video is AI or real. I’ve been fooled by funny animal videos that turned out to be AI, so I’ll leave that call to people who are better equipped to make that call. But if the video is legit: All I see is a guy who got bumped by a car he was standing in front of when it started moving and opening fire in return. Even if you want to count him getting bumped by a car that was only beginning to accelerate as “vehicular assault” or whatever, it didn’t really bump him hard enough to put him in potentially lethal danger unless he would’ve stopped moving and let the car run him over. Which he didn’t do, obviously. (If anything, the fact that he moved so quickly before opening fire with enough precision to put three bullets in a woman’s face tells me the car barely bumped him at all.) And that besides, all the other angles I’ve seen show him stepping in front of the car despite both training that would’ve told him not to do that and a Supreme Court ruling that says doing that to justify opening fire doesn’t make a LEO immune from prosecution.
I get that Some Asshole had a “traumatizing” experience with a car some six months prior to him killing Renee Good. But the maybe 1% of sympathy I could have had for him is undercut by the notion that he executed a woman who was trying to leave the scene. And moreover, everything that the Trump regime has done after he executed her—smearing the victim, investigating her wife, ransacking Some Asshole’s home to help cover up for him, calling in a surge of new agents to further terrorize Minneapolis—has made it impossible for me to think he did anything but kill a woman in cold blood because the “fucking bitch” wouldn’t listen to him.
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I am guessing you will dismiss this because of the source, but it’s pretty difficult to dismiss this new analysis done by the NY Times that goes millisecond by millisecond syncing up every video released (including the one you showed), showing how it still does not actually appear he was hit.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010648638/ice-shooting-renee-good-minneapolis-videos-analysis.html
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The car didn’t hit him! He pushed off the side to step back and then opened fire and killing her. Try again dipstick.
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Some distant, grainy/blurry videos can be interpreted as Ross being struck by Good’s vehicle.
Clearer videos from closer up, make it clear that he wasn’t struck. Ross’s feet can be seen, well clear of the vehicle and clear of its path even if it wasn’t turning.
(There’s also the awkward question of how a shooter struck by a moving vehicle manages to simultaneously stay firmly on his feet and shoot accurately.)
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You are part of the problem
This writer of this POS article is exactly what’s wrong with America today. She DID hit him and he had a split second to react. He had every right to defend himself. She was an anti-ICE activist who was impeding lawful duties, which is illegal. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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“he had a split second to react”
was that before or after he stepped in front of her car??
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A split second to react? He didn’t stop her! Had he kept his gun holstered it wouldn’t have changed anything except maybe he’d have not gotten bumped by her car had he moved faster. It’s embarrassing how you people describe this like a cop show instead of what clearly happened. The fact that you have to lie only proves you know he’s in the wrong. He put himself in danger and all she was trying to do was leave. That’s it. That’s your real argument: Everyone should do as they’re told and they won’t get hurt.
And yeah, we’re allowed to be anti-government! Welcome to America! It ain’t a crime to be anti-ICE and they could have driven by her so there wasn’t even excuse to arrest her. They obviously had nothing better to do or he wouldn’t have been strolling around her car with his phone recording. And now that thug is most likely going to prison. Play stupid games, indeed.
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If he was hit at all, he was hit in the same way that someone is hit when a car passes close by you and you put your hands out to push off it.
Not to mention, he put himself in front of the car despite ICE training stating not to.
He opened fire against a car that allegedly was moving towards him, despite ICE training stating that doing so doesn’t stop a vehicle.
He fucked up. He decided to murder a US citizen. He should be fucking prosecuted.
He fired three shots. Two of them were after the car had passed him. That’s not self-defense; that’s liquidation.
Even if that were true, it doesn’t justify killing her, you absolute psycho.
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he had a split second to react
He would’ve had more time if he wasn’t on his fucking phone…I’d like to see the call record, and if it was a work-related call or not.
Because taking a personal call while your life is supposedly in danger would make him look like a real fucking idiot, wouldn’t it Fuckface?
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Ross had already transferred his phone to his other hand while crossing in front of the vehicle and already had his hand on his pistol before the car started forward.
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This is the same dope that put his arm into a car (which is against every actual LEO’s training) and got dragged. He’s an idiot, she didn’t come close to him and you should consider not being such a moron.
Minor correction but it’s Gregory Bovino, not Bongino. (Dan Bongino is the podcast guy who side-hustled as FBI deputy director las year.)
"Whine" moms
He was complaining about “whine moms,” not “wine moms.”
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I wonder
when the wife is going to show us her recording.
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I wonder when Trump is going to smear her as a terrorist and use a gendered insult worse than “bitch” to describe her. You know he wants to. He’s never been shy about going after women, after all.
I caution you not to impute the motivations of one person to an entire administration. If that’s the standard, then Biden’s administration encouraged people to cross-dress and steal luggage.
I would love to have an intelligent conversation about this subject. What factors are legitimate for the agent to take into consideration when he pulled the trigger? I believe he had a right to consider that she was clearly obstructing him in the discharge of his duties. I also believe that he should be able to consider the icy conditions of the road, the fact that she refused to get out of the car upon demand (Penn v. Mimms), that she hit the accelerator upon the urging of a co-conspirator, that a vehicle can be used as a deadly weapon, that she made contact with him despite the fact that he was to the side of the vehicle (if his cell phone video is genuine, you can see where he was standing when she accelerated), and that her engine revved in a way that seemed like she intended to use the vehicle as a weapon rather than for flight. She was probably not trying to strike him with her vehicle. But her subjective intent is not relevant to his subjective perception, which is what a homicide prosecution would be based upon.
This is not a case where an absentminded person backed into a pedestrian in a mall parking lot. If it were, then the agent would clearly be guilty of some level of homicide. This is a case of a woman who was trying to get as close to the line as possible without going over. She failed in her endeavor. She thought her pure motives would immunize her from consequences. If she had stood on the sidewalk, blown her whistle, held signs, and chanted her mantras, she could have accomplished lawful protest. Instead, she actively inserted herself into a law enforcement operation. Her interpreted deserved to be interpreted through the lens of her actions.
We have gone a long way in our country from where we started. We have come to believe that words are violence and violent obstruction is protest.
I honestly don’t like everything Trump is doing. However, I think the way to change his actions is through a ballot box rather than vehicles blocking streets.
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Yeah, so, how about we do. Trump’s regime works in lockstep with his wishes. Even if people in his inner circle are the ones influencing his wishes by playing Orange Rapist Whisperer, he still holds both the power of the presidency and outsized influence over Republicans. To them, his word is the word of God. If he says “pull out of Minneapolis”, ICE will pull out. If he says “send in the National Guard”, guess who’s being sent in. He is the head of the table, the godfather, the King of Kings in the GOP—and thinking otherwise is your first mistake.
Renee Good was trying to leave the scene, as she was directed to do. She was turning away from Some Asshole when she was shot in the face. From every available video I’ve seen that is certified as legitimate, Some Asshole stepped in front of her car and put himself in danger—in direct violation of training given to agents of numerous federal agencies (and a Supreme Court ruling) that tells them “putting yourself in harm’s way to justify violence is a stupid fucking idea on multiple levels and you could lose qualified immunity for doing it”. If I thought he was in actual danger in any of the videos I’ve seen, I’d say otherwise, even if I wouldn’t be happy to say so. But he put himself in danger, then after being (at worst) bumped by the car as it began to accelerate, he was still on his feet and able to both shoot the driver in her face and take cell phone video while aiming and shooting his gun.
Quick question: Do you think the shooting of Ashli Babbitt was more or less justified than the shooting of Renee Good?
You take all the time in the world to go over all the variables in Some Asshole’s defense and say “well it’s subjective whether he felt his life was about to end” as if no one is allowed to jump to any conclusion about his intent. But then you go and ascribe intent to a woman whose intent you don’t know and will never be known, then act as if we have to accept that statement as more absolute and objective than any statement about Some Asshole. That right there is your second mistake.
And before you go at me about it: Yes, I know that I can’t know for sure what was going on in Some Asshole’s head during the encounter. But the footage shows that he was the one who stepped in front of the car and put himself in danger. (And supposedly after being “traumatized” by an incident with a car six months earlier!) He was also barking orders at Renee Good that contradicted the “leave the scene” orders from other agents, which means she was given contradictory orders and couldn’t know whether following only one or the other would get her killed. He had the badge, the gun, the training, and the right to legally kill someone. He can and should be held to a higher standard than a scared mother of three who didn’t really do much of anything wrong at all.
Show me the violence in Renee Good’s actions. Show me where she turned toward Some Asshole instead of away, and show me where she did it without him first getting in the way of the vehicle and putting himself in harm’s way.
I would bet even money that you like the underlying results, but you’re squeamish about the process in getting those results—and not so squeamish that you’re about to go protest and put your fucking neck on the line like everyone in Minneapolis who is peacefully protesting ICE.
Donald Trump has nothing left to lose. Either he finds some way to stay president after the 19th of January 2029 or he leaves office as a disgraced (and disgraceful) twice-impeached adjudicated rapist with 34 felony convictions and an insurrection to his name. Thinking he gives a shit about how people vote in the midterms or 2028 unless his name is on the ballot is your third mistake—and it’s arguably your worst.
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And speaking of that third mistake (emphasis mine):
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I’ll pray for you. I will also pray for our country. I can’t believe we’re this close to civil war over something so idiotic. But, I suppose it has to be something. It might as well be over our national identity.
I will take up arms to defend myself against you if necessary. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
You’re right; I don’t think Trump goes far enough sometimes. I am NOT AT ALL squeamish that Trump wants to remove people from this country who are not citizens. I am NOT AT ALL squeamish about his methods. I’m only sad that he’s being so soft about it.
Renee Good will be your Crispus Attucks if your side wins. She’ll be a sad nobody if my side wins. She did a noble thing to sacrifice her life for her cause. I applaud that.
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Oh look, another Hyman Rosen coming here to act like murdering people like me is going to make the world a better place. Go ahead and get it all out of your system, son. Tell me how I’m a piece of shit for not wanting to give up my autonomy and my life to Donald Trump.
In the meantime: Hey Mike, maybe keep an eye on this prick. Pretty sure they’re going to be worth a new spamfilter entry for you sooner rather than later.
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I guess my prophecy came true. My words are violence to you. I want to talk; you want my words suppressed because I oppose you.
I will continue to pray for you.
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Pray for yor own delusional
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You are a fool. I’m a bigger one (among many other issues that don’t need exploring at this juncture), but at least I have the balls to say so.
No, violence is violence to me. But words can be and often are a precursor to violence—be they threats or an expression of hatred. The fact that you expressed your support for the violence of ICE (“I’m only sad that he’s being so soft about it”) is a sure-as-shit sign that you would welcome lethal violence against undocumented immigrants and protestors. That’s only a hop, skip, and train car ride away from endorsing lethal violence against people outside of those groups…like, say, queer people. And trust me when I say that plenty of Trump supporters would love to see that happen, too. So until and unless you prove otherwise with a complete denunciation, I have to assume you would endorse that level of violence—and endorse it against people beyond the groups ICE is currently targeting—without hesitation.
Regardless of my opinion of you, I would defend your right to live free of state-sponsored violence, just like I would defend your right to speak free of government intrustion despite thinking that what you say is stupid as fuck. Can you sincerely say you would defend my rights in the same way?
…oh, and don’t think I wasn’t going to address this:
“For too long, those fluent in the good grammar of civility have deployed decorum to mask agendas of cruelty.” Zohran Mamdani had people like you pegged and he called your asses out real fuckin’ good with that line.
You don’t want to talk, in the sense that you want to have a civil and reasoned conversation where the possibility of changing your mind might exist. You want to talk in the sense that you want me to agree with everything you say and denounce me as a commie faggot if I don’t. (And yes, I’m queer, so I absolutely have the right to use the Bad F-Word.) Your attempt to go “well I’m not getting all emotional so I’m clearly the one who has the better ideology” won’t fool anyone here, least of all me.
So please, go on some more about how you’re happy to see people—including young children, God damn you—getting flashbanged and pepper sprayed and assaulted by a bunch of masked government thugs who might never be held accountable for their actions. Then tell me exactly what you hope the government does to me. Spell it all out in detail. But be sure not to use any naughty words! No saying “murder” or “extermination”, or even alternatives such as “unaliving”. After all, you don’t want a small bit of incivility showing.
That would just prove me right.
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Said the “faithful” while sullying the word of Jesus…
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The only people really talking about a civil war are the conservatives. And they’ve been talking about it for decades. They want to commit violence against the outgroups because they have silently conceded that they cannot win over hearts and minds and their gerrymandering and voter suppression only works so well. And they think they can win a civil war because they imagine the military will be on their side and they have their own guns and have been cosplaying as warriors.
Bullshit. You wouldn’t be fantasizing about it so much that you even bring it up if you didn’t want to see it. You admit to liking Trump’s violence and thinking he doesn’t go far enough. Further means the violence you also pretend to balk out.
GTFO with your disingenuous bullshit.
Personally, I think it was a case of a rough tough macho man losing what little control he has over his seething rage and killing Good because, “How dare that effing lezo bitch disrespect me in front of the other macho ICE men!”
Homan looks like a thug, sounds like a thug and…oh, wait, I don’t need to continue.