Feds Begin Targeting ‘Anti-Technology Extremists’ Which Is Going To Make Everything So Much Worse

from the into-the-fire dept

The whole conversation around AI is about to get much, much worse.

We’ve been talking a lot about AI, generative AI, LLMs, or whatever your preferred moniker has become, for some time now. And for good reason. This is a still-emerging technology that has begun to infiltrate many parts of our lives, willingly or otherwise. We’ve talked about how its use has amounted to the production of slop garbage as companies look to cut costs and staff counts, which has led some to believe that we’re a very anti-AI site. We’ve also talked about some of the interesting and useful ways everyone from children to artists are experimenting with AI to make all kinds of things, which has led some to believe we’re a bunch of pro-AI tech bros or whatever.

What we actually are, when it comes to AI, is interested in talking about where this technology can fit in a way that promotes more innovation, more content growth and production, and ultimately good outcomes for we mere human beings. And what is going to run absolutely counter to all of that is the Trump administration’s decision to sic domestic intelligence and fusion centers on supposed “anti-technology extremists.”

U.S. law enforcement agencies have taken notice of the growing backlash to AI and in response are shifting their sights to what they are calling “anti-technology extremists.”

“The chaotic atmosphere that may result from emergent AI technology in the next five years may fuel large-scale protests that devolve into civil unrest and anti-tech violent extremist activity, especially in large urban areas such as New York City,” reads one report from the New York Intelligence and Counterterrorism Bureau.

WIRED notes that the term “anti-tech violent extremism” does not appear in any public domestic extremism reports from DHS or the FBI, suggesting that this is a relatively new category.

Now, this is precisely the opposite of what I have personally advocated for, which is for a nuanced, friendly conversation about how we use AI in the present and future. That’s going to require all kinds of opinions across a large spectrum coming together to start hammering out policy. Hell, on a long enough timeline, I imagine the chances of there not being some kind of amendment to the U.S. Constitution that has something to do with AI is probably zero. That’s the level of influence this technology is going to eventually have, one way or the other.

But what immediately kills the ability to have that conversation and policy discussion is if one authoritarian, cynical federal administration simply labels one side as “extremists” and turns the kind of law enforcement surveillance on them, and publicly, that is typically used on terrorist groups. That will lead only to further stratification, turning the AI question into a largely partisan affair. And that is bad for everyone.

Dissenting on the use of AI, or the types of uses that could occur, is not extremism. It’s not illegal. It’s not even unwelcome. In fact, it’s completely necessary. Those worried about AI and its impact on humanity have completely valid reasons to be worried. We may disagree on their approach, but that disagreement is in no way disqualifying.

I’m not talking about some of the truly unhinged that are committing violence in the name of an anti-AI crusade. Those people are nuts and they are well outside of any conversation we’re having. But if you think the Trump administration is going to limit its extremist designations to only those who commit real violence, you’ve lost the plot.

Is Pope Leo an anti-technology extremist for calling on companies to make sure AI serves all of humanity, rather than just corporate or governmental interests? Of course not. He merely makes the same nuanced point many of the rest of us are making.

Pope Leo XIV has taken up the legacy of his predecessor, writing a social encyclical which addresses one of the principal challenges of the contemporary age: artificial intelligence.

Divided into five chapters, Magnifica humanitas has an underlying premise: technology is not “a force antagonistic to humanity” (4), nor is it “inherently evil” (9). However, “technology is never neutral, because it takes on the characteristics of those who devise, finance, regulate, and use it.

I’m not typically one to go around quoting any Popes, nor am I quoting this one merely because he’s Pope Bob from the South Side of Chicago (though I admit that helps). His take on this is the right one: technology isn’t good or evil, but it can be used for either. And talking about how we do this the right way is necessary.

The federal government is working against that idea, plainly. It now seeks to label one side of the debate, or a large portion of one side of it, as extreme in the same way terrorists are extreme. The history of this country conducting surveillance on legitimate speech is a long one. This will be used in the same way. In fact, it already is.

By portraying protesters and political activists as extremists, federal authorities gain cover to conduct surveillance and investigations. We’ve seen this countless times before, from the monitoring of socialist groups, civil rights advocates, antiwar protesters, and others considered subversive in the last century to more recent antics involving Black Lives Matter activists or government-critical groups on both the left and the right.

Illogical and sometimes illiberal anti-tech sentiment certainly abounds—and deserves criticism. But putting the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security on the case could endanger free speech and people who are merely exercising their First Amendment rights. It could be used to justify monitoring protester group chats, sending federal agents to surveil peaceful protests, and more.

A March report from the Northern Virginia Regional Intelligence Center showed “monitoring of constitutionally protected events and demonstrations related to critical views on technology,” notes Wired. “These events included multiple ‘Tesla Takedown‘ protests … and a ‘Break Up With Tech Rager’ sponsored by Eject Elbit, an activist group organizing to halt investment in the Israeli weapon’s manufacturer Elbit.”

I’ve been known to make a sport of sparring with some of our own readers who are very anti-AI. I think those conversations are important and useful. I don’t want those voices to be targeted, tamped down, or otherwise fear-mongered into silence. We need those voices every bit as much, if not more, as we need those who are pointing out where AI can find a good place in our lives.

If you, like me, believe that AI is going to have an important role in the future, if not the present, we simply cannot allow this all to get derailed by an authoritarian buffoon and monied interests teaming up to try to make the universe of Deus Ex a reality.

But it seems that that may be where we’re heading.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Yeah, so…I’m gonna address a specific point in here because I’m sure everyone else is going to go at the meat of the article in their own way.

What we actually are, when it comes to AI, is interested in talking about where this technology can fit in a way that promotes more innovation, more content growth and production, and ultimately good outcomes for we mere human beings.

I’m not going to get into the instances of pro-AI people getting booed at commencement speeches last month. I won’t even get into the whole “AI is going to put furry artists out of business” argument I was getting into last time (before I had an unfortunate mental health downswing…). What I’m going to get into this time is something that should be a warning to anyone thinking generative AI (“genAI”) is going to make their content better or earn them clout or whatever:

You’re going to look cheap as fuck for using it.

Consider that people are using genAI to generate art. “Of course they are,” one might say. “It’s cheaper than hiring actual artists!” And therein lies the problem. See, I could be more (but not entirely) forgiving of people without a whole shitload of resources using genAI to create graphics for their website or whatever. But when a corporation with a shitload of resources decides genAI is a more “cost effective” route than hiring human artists because that means reaping more of the profits, that’s going to make people see those companies as being cheap as fuck. After all, if a company can’t afford to hire actual human artists to create actual art for its marketing, why should we believe they’re offering anything of any real value?

GenAI has a negative reputation for multiple reasons⁠—not the least of which is stuff like NCII/CSAM generation⁠—but one of them is absolutely the “same-y” look of whatever genAI produces. And that, too, is going to end up making genAI seem “cheap”, in that everyone who uses it is going to have their stuff look like everyone else’s and nobody’s going to care about the hundredth genAI marketing spot when it’s all so same-y.

If you can’t either pay a person to do some art for you or even just make some art yourself, paying for genAI (or using what few free genAI generators are still left) will do you no favors. I’d take one hastily hand-scribbled flyer over a thousand “polished” genAI images any day of the week. At least the flyer is honest.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: AI may be the next CAD

I think in this environment, we have the problem that big tech is investing a whole lot into AI on the premise that it’s going to replace a lot of human jobs. That and they’re doing it sloppily, for instance, lobbying officials to displace homes and farms for their data centers, rather than developing data centers that are more efficient or utilize untapped energy / cooling resources.

In an environment that wasn’t so top-heavy and run by oligarchs and corrupt officials, I could see AI as yet another tool (for art, for science, for law, for medicine, whatever), and eventually we may actually see AI used humanely.

But not in the current United States. Maybe a future China.

n00bdragon (profile) says:

Re: Re:

If there’s one good thing left about the United States it’s that our system is remarkably good at peaceful transfers of power. It’s extremely unusual for power to trade hands between parties so regularly in a country without bloodshed. Yes, I realize we got close in 2021 and we had that little dust up in the 1860s, but on the whole the track record is very good. I think of all the systems that are most capable of purging a corrupt oligarchy without civil war the US is pretty high on the list.

China might be dead last on that list. Nothing is going to happen in the middle kingdom without a tank driving over the corpses of hundreds of people.

Epic_Null (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

If the question is about AI ethics… then I am afraid China is in fact winning here. In this particular area, China has made it a point to keep their people employed, which masively contains the damage. While they are also using AI, they are also doing so intentionally, without cramming it everywhere and forcing it on their people.

While I do not want their system, I can see how there are certain benefits to giving rulers inscentives to maintain the country in the long term…

n00bdragon (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Chinese people work average 50-hour weeks for half the wages Americans receive (or less). This data comes from the state itself, meaning it’s as trustworthy as they want it to be. Unemployment is high, staggeringly high (15-20%) among non-students in their 20s. I don’t know what information source you are using to develop the view of China as a workforce that you have but you may want to question it. Anecdotally, from conversations with my Chinese friends and family, the work culture in China is extremely high pressure and the rewards (if you can call them that) are not starving. People are expendable cogs in the machine and easy to replace. If there’s a reason that AI automation isn’t taking hold there in quite the same way it’s that the labor it would be replacing is so inexpensive that it already challenges the ultra-low rock-bottom introductory pricing that most AI companies are charging. Why pay $5 in tokens to perform a task when a human will do it for $2.50 because the alternative is unemployment?

Epic_Null (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

I said they were doing better on AI ethics, not workplace ethics.

The government recently said companies can’t fire people to replace them with AI, which is a pretty good sign. The government also disappears CEOs who cross the line.

Is this going to lead to a much better handling of this particular topic, even if the general ethics in China are not something to look up to.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: That's not as reassuring as it should be.

Sadly, the circumstances now for potential peaceful exchange of power is worse than it was before the raid on the Capitol Building, January 6th, 2021. I anticipate we will see violent challenges to election results of the 2026 midterms when legal challenges and protocol challenges fail.

(We may also see violence during the election itself, as ICE agents raid polls in blue-leaning regions. I’m also curious if Mike Johnson will just plum refuse to swear in newly elected Democrats into the house, as he did with Adelita Grijalva)

Trump is in power. MAGA Republicans are in power, and Trump has already demonstrated he does not believe in peaceful transfer of power.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Picking a fight with me for offering better language does not paint you in a positive light, especially when there was someone in this very thread who was confused by your language.

Call it “nitpicking” but censorship advocates are known to play around with language to try to inflate statistics and to obscure. Consequently, someone might make assumptions. I’m not saying the assumptions are correct, however I have seen this conversation before.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

While someone might like to treat Grok like a punching bag, because it’s Elon’s bot, that case was always more complex than is implied here.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/07/grok-deepfake-images-sexualise-women-children-investigated-australia-esafety
According to eSafety (which is run by someone who hates Twitter), they couldn’t find any “child sexual exploitation material” on Twitter. Keep in mind that their definition is notoriously broad. At the very least, this suggests that Twitter is moderating this content.

On the other hand, there may have been an issue with users misusing the bot with adult individuals. Twitter’s PR during this time was questionable. There was also a lack of privacy settings for users in regards to this feature, Twitter has since rolled those out.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: From a rant on Lemmy

Child Sexual Assault Material or CSAM provides a weird gray zone. CSAM is universally illegal when it is produced by actually endangering or harming children. But art that depicted CSAM yet doesn’t actually involve children may not be, especially, if it has artistic value or is thought-provoking. During the 20th and 21st centuries, content featuring child sexuality slips in and out of legality depending on the era, on local ordinance and sometimes even whether a police officer, DA or judge decides possession is criminal in a given case. 70’s coming of age porn fiction became illegal in the 80s. Japanese lolicon (and its knockoffs) from the 1990s became illegal in the aughts (at least in red states. Blue states still sometimes interpreted it as art). CGI content has always been a gray zone, and currently AI slop of CSAM (featuring fictitious children) is legal, not because culture has changed but because the controllers of the AI technology have incredible influence on the federal government.

Kinetic Gothic says:

There’s a good slice of Anit Tech Exteremists who I have absolutely no problem with the DOJ targeting, like the nutters who go after 5g towers, or Solar Farms, or NEXRAD radars.

Also, this label to be somwhat driven from the bottom up, coming from state fusion centers, not from Trump down, quite likely because a lot of these protests over data centers are coming from rural (i.e red) areas, and is flying under the radar at the DOJ, because they’re a laser focused on left wing protests, like the Tesla Takedown, which was not anti-tech, as much as it was Anti Elon/DOGE.

Rich says:

Here are some facts:
1. Several of those who are responsible for the creation the current AI systems in use (Sam, Elon, Others…) all have expressed concerns about AI possibly leading to the end of humanity.
2. Many of us, and by “us” I mean average people who have read books, watched TV/movies, or generally consumed any entertainment media during their lives, have most likely watched/read/heard numerous stories about AI running amok, and generally destroying/enslaving humanity. Many of those written long before AI was a thing. As a result, many, many people alive today already have a great deal of anxiety about AI somewhat baked-in to our culture.
3. There have been countless examples already of AI replacing people, and people losing their jobs.
4. There have been many examples of AI doing actual harm to people NOT WITH ANY INTENT, NOR MALICIOUSNESS, just as a result of “unforeseen” side effects of this “black box” tech. (Chatbots talking kids out of taking their mental health issues to their parents or doctors, and pushing them more toward the “ropes and belts” aisle at the hardware store)
5. The current president just balled up and threw away an Executive Order that would have provided some “VOLUNTARY GUARDRAILS” after some AI execs talked him out of it. “VOLUNTARY”.
6. The current president has said over and over that the USA MUST dominate the AI industry at all costs.
7. The current administration has quietly done away with any sort of meaningful oversight of the safety of nuclear energy production, all for the benefit of AI.
8. There are many roads in this country that absolutely should have 65mph speed limits (at the very least), but are kept at 55mph, even though everybody always drives at least 70mph on them at any given time. More than one police officer has aggreed that this is deliberate, because it gives them cause to pull over anyone they don’t like the look of.

This is only a partial list of things I have learned thus far. Were I a journalist in a position to put a microphone in the faces of politicians, I would very much like to ask questions about facts 1-7, but now that the feds are labeling people who question AI use as extremists, I can see fact number 8 pushing the internal “hold on, let’s just take a moment to think about consequences here” button that I wish more people had. Well played, Government.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

Many of us, and by “us” I mean average people who have read books, watched TV/movies, or generally consumed any entertainment media during their lives, have most likely watched/read/heard numerous stories about AI running amok, and generally destroying/enslaving humanity.

I mean, just off the top of my head: Portal (and its sequel), the Terminator franchise, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Avengers: Age of Ultron, TRON

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

At the time of Biden’s EO, parts of the government were pushing KYC for things like cloud hosting which is an attack on privacy.

That is not to say that the Trump Administration has been great (i.e. censorship), however it’s confusing to me when people think this means the Biden Administration didn’t have issues. I also found that a few of the “AI regulation” pushes in 2023 tried to deal with doomsday scenarios which sound like something out of Hollywood.

There was too much of an assumption that these tools are magic.

Anonymous Coward says:

Not even mad

Honestly given the deranged idiots online I cannot blame them for being concerned about all of the arson and death threats from anti-AI lunatics. We have had real people trying to burn down properties of prominent figures and getting cheered for it by fucking deranged morons.

If you don’t want to be called extremists don’t fucking act like one as a movement and meet the low low standards of condemning violence without, buts, asterisks or paragraphs of sympathy. That goes from ‘surveillance being overreach’ and into ‘not surveillance is negligence’ territory.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

We have had real people trying to burn down properties of prominent figures and getting cheered for it by fucking deranged morons.

Some of those “prominent figures” are among the richest people alive. I think it’s worth noting that when sentiment about the wealthy turns negative, there will be plenty of factors behind that. Support for genAI will be one of them, and for some people, it may even be the primary factor⁠—but it’s far from the only factor behind why people are trying to hurt the wealthy motherfuckers who care more about their bank accounts than the rest of the world.

I condemn the violence people are trying to inflict upon people like Sam Altman. But I also understand it. I imagine a lot more people will come to understand it as well. Whether they condemn that violence is going to tell you a lot about whether public sentiment will or won’t be sympathetic if that violence claims the life of an AI evangelist. And that sympathy, or lack thereof, will be similarly instructive about how worried other rich motherfuckers should be, AI evangelists or not.

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

Constitutional amendment? No.

Hell, on a long enough timeline, I imagine the chances of there not being some kind of amendment to the U.S. Constitution that has something to do with AI is probably zero.

Translating that to English, “likely there will be a Constitutional amendment relating to AI.”

Offered and abandoned, this absurd idea is a nonstarter. AI being “whatever” to different people, and “constitutional amendment” being a near impossibility — doable with 13 states, not doable with 50 — none of this will happen.

We’ll continue to have laws and regulations and in some cases Federal law insisting it overrides state laws (see 10th amendment, then search CONUS for AI…) being the law of the land.

If magically someone thinks AI will trump more charged topics (e.g. right to abortion, Equal Rights Amendment, right to have a bluetooth speaker named “BOMB” on a transatlantic flight, etc.) think again. We are a balkanized people uneducated on the topics, voting as per the TV paid commercials of the day.

Even if Congress wasn’t dysfunctional, which it has been for decades, the states won’t pass these things– and they’re not even on-ballot.

No. Nobody will be amending CONUS regarding AI. Not in 2026 and not until Skynet.

This really isn’t an indictment against undefined crap being pushed as AI (“super grammar checker that talks back to you”) but rather our system has ground to a halt.

Anonymous Coward says:

I’m reminded of the electrical substation shooting from a couple years ago. Investigators haven’t been able to nail down a motive. It could be just another attempt to destabilize the country in a bid to bring about a new world order like the kids that shot up the San Diego mosque reference in their manifesto. Or they’re just anti-technology.

Rage Against the AI says:

Are there cookies and punch?

Well, I learned today that I would apparently fall into the category of anti-tech terrorist. And if it puts me on the opposite side of Trump and his regime of jackasses, it’s a title I’ll wear with honor. Do we get membership badges? Are cookies and punch provided?

dirtside (profile) says:

“If you, like me, believe that AI is going to have an important role in the future”

If by “AI” you mean the current corporate LLMs, then the only “important role” it would have is much the same as a shark attempting to eat you has an “important role” in your beach activities. It’s not a good thing, it’s not going to help or make anything better, and there’s quite a lot of unavoidable and unacceptable negatives in its very presence!

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

There are two primary issues (three, if you count assuming there will be data to feed it). It’s pitched as all-capable (or if it’s not all-capable now, that it’ll become so in the future) and their model involves building more and more datacenters.

A CEO laying people off then blaming the AI (and it subsequently coming out that it had nothing to do with it) is related to “pitched as all-capable”.

Anonymous Coward says:

About the violent anti-AI people (like the Zizians or the people who attacked Altman’s home): They are less “AI is dumb” or even “AI will take our jobs,” and more straight up “AI will become so powerful it’ll kill us all.” This is more in line with the views of the non-profit part of OpenAI (including Musk, when he was part of it), and Anthropic.
I don’t think there is collusion between the AI heads and their attackers, but the rest of us should be careful about repeating the humblebrags of AI companies.

Cathay (profile) says:

The future, looking back on today

“What were we thinking? We tried to replace skilled people with chatbots that could write text or code with good spelling and grammar, but didn’t understand anything. That meant they could do work that was pointless anyway, but creating anything that was new and complicated that way was pretty much impossible.”

“In any case, it only looked cost-effective while the chatbots were being subsidised by venture capital. Once the prices were increased to make them profitable, the only organisations that kept on using them were the ones who had no choice, having got rid of too many staff. Few are still around.”

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

This smacks a lot of the Antifa scare

I bet it’s not going to matter whether there actually are anti-technology-extremists, just as it doesn’t matter to the DoJ whether a given dissident is part of a hypothetical Antifa cell. The point is exactly the same as when Joe McCarthy would accuse someone one being a communist, to smear them and increase the chances that a jury will pin them with a conviction and a sentence disproportionate to whatever crimes were committed.

Expect this to be applied to protestors engaging in noncooperation or civil disobedience, especially if police private security contractors or agents of state accuse them of assault.

Anonymous Coward says:

The statements that folks from AI firms have made haven’t really helped. For instance, the suggestions that it’s so powerful it might bring about doomsday, that the algorithm might “wake up”, or that everyone is going to lose their jobs.

The first two are absurdities that is like something out of Hollywood, the last one assumes these products are far more capable than they actually are.

Or those things from Anthropic about bots “plotting” and it’s actually an unreliable bot trying to guess what another unreliable bot is planning.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Mixed feelings for all of us

How Money Works did a video discussing the China dilemma.

The AI companies say that if they aren’t funded or are over-regulated, China will develop superpowerful AI before the US does and that would be bad.

Then they say that they have to be able to sell their bleeding-edge chips to China or that would weaken their market share and that would be bad.

So the AI lobby (which is huge) shouldn’t really be trusted as a source.

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