Abolish ICE Before They Kill Again, Impeach Trump & Noem Before They Incite More Murder

from the there-is-no-dispute dept

Renee Nicole Good was a 37-year-old award-winning poet, a mother of a six-year-old, and a wife who had recently moved to Minneapolis. That all ended yesterday when a masked ICE agent murdered her in broad daylight, shooting her multiple times at close range in the head. She had stuffed animal toys in the glove box of her SUV that rammed into another car after she’d been killed for no reason at all.

We have video of what happened. Multiple angles. The Trump administration is lying about every single detail anyway.

Donald Trump kicked off with a blatant lie, claiming that Good “viciously ran over the ICE officer.”

Known liar, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin, called Good a “violent rioter” who “weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism.”

Kristi Noem made up a complete fantasy:

It was an act of domestic terrorism. What happened was, our ICE officers were out in enforcement action, they got stuck in the snow because of the adverse weather that is in Minneapolis, they were attempting to push out their vehicle, and a woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram them with her vehicle.

Not a single one of them is telling the truth. They are flat out lying.

Here’s what actually happened. The folks at Bellingcat put together a top down view showing the murder, pieced together from multiple videos:

Using imagery online of the shooting by an ICE agent in Minneapolis, we’ve created an animated sequence which highlights the approximate positioning of officers and vehicles at the scene. The red dot represents the agent who fired the shots. Yellow dots are other agents who arrived at the scene.

Bellingcat (@bellingcat.com) 2026-01-07T22:32:56.273Z

This morning (after equivocating all day yesterday, as I’ll discuss below), the NY Times put out a video using multiple bystander videos, showing that the ICE agent (1) was not hit (2) was not in the path of the vehicle and (3) was absolutely fine afterwards (contradicting claims from the administration that he was run over and in the hospital). See it here:

From all the evidence, it’s clear that Good had stopped and when ICE agents started demanding she move, she started to pull around the ICE vehicle in front of her. She paused to let another vehicle drive by her. As that happened (for no apparent reason) the ICE agent who eventually murdered her walked around the right side of her car to the front. As he does that two other ICE agents approach the car, with one telling her to exit the car while another yells for her to move. She then proceeds to try to drive away from the ICE agents. The one who had stepped in front of her car steps aside and then just starts madly firing at her head.

He murdered her. And Trump and his cronies are lying about it with video evidence directly contradicting every word.

This isn’t the first time ICE has killed someone. This is actually the ninth such shooting by an ICE agent since September, every single one of which involved an ICE agent blatantly violating policy by firing into a vehicle. This is at least the second outright murder, as opposed to attempted murder.

While ICE conveniently took down its page describing this (got something to hide?), the official policy is that “firearms shall not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles.” Also, “discharging a firearm from a moving vehicle is prohibited.” There are some limited exceptions, but they appear to apply solely to a case where the car is driving directly at an ICE agent.

ICE shouldn’t even be in Minneapolis. It shouldn’t be anywhere. It shouldn’t exist. Nor should it ever have existed, as many of us have warned for many, many years. When we first started writing about ICE over 15 years ago, it was already a lawless organization.

This murder of an American citizen on a quiet street—someone who was just there to observe and monitor ICE agents kidnapping people—exemplifies why ICE is fundamentally incompatible with a free society. We’re talking about a masked federal police force, operating in secret, with no apparent limits, no meaningful rules, and no consequences for violence. They’re engaging in lethal force against anyone—citizens and non-citizens alike—because they’ve been given implicit permission by the White House to do whatever they want. MAGA folks mock the Gestapo comparison, but what else do you call an unaccountable secret police force that operates with impunity, murders citizens in broad daylight, and then lies about it with the full backing of the state?

As Chris Geidner points out, it was just a month and a half ago that Judge Sara Ellis called out ICE’s (and CBP’s) lawless nonsense and how dangerous it was:

Further, as detailed in the Court’s factual findings, agents have used excessive force in response to protesters’ and journalists’ exercise of their First Amendment rights, without justification, often without warning, and even at those who had begun to comply with agents’ orders…. While the Court acknowledges that some unruly individuals have been present during these gatherings, their presence among “peaceful protestors, journalists and legal observers does not give Defendants a blank check to employ unrestricted use of crowd control weapons,” and, in many of the instances in which agents deployed less lethal munitions, they did not direct the force anywhere near such bad actors…. Agents’ “use of indiscriminate weapons against all protesters—not just the violent ones—supports the inference that federal agents were substantially motivated by Plaintiffs’ protected First Amendment activity.”

Judge Ellis also called out DHS’s systematic lying—the same pattern we’re seeing now:

While Defendants may argue that the Court identifies only minor inconsistencies, every minor inconsistency adds up, and at some point, it becomes difficult, if not impossible, to believe almost anything that Defendants represent

And yes, they will lie in the face of directly contradictory video evidence. Judge Ellis again:

Presumably, these portions of the videos would be Defendants’ best evidence to demonstrate that agents acted in line with the Constitution, federal laws, and the agencies’ own policies on use of force when engaging with protesters, the press, and religious practitioners. But a review of them shows the opposite—supporting Plaintiffs’ claims and undermining all of Defendants’ claims that their actions toward protesters, the press, and religious practitioners have been, as Bovino has stated, “more than exemplary.”

A federal judge warned us six weeks ago that DHS and ICE would likely kill people and lie about it even when video proved them wrong. Yesterday proved her right. Again.

I had a few other stories I planned to write up on Wednesday, not to mention taking care of some other work, and I spent most of the day just unable to do anything, feeling sick to my stomach.

Yes, this happens in America (and elsewhere), but it shouldn’t. This is fucked up.

As 404 Media points out, this has become the standard course of action by the Trump admin these days.

This is a pattern. Some event happens as part of the Trump administration’s mass deportation campaign, DHS rushes out a misleading, wrong, or incendiary statement that does not reflect reality, and it becomes another piece of ammo for the X.com grifters, right wing media ecosystem, or people who just love the idea of others being hurt.

And, again, why the fuck is ICE even in Minneapolis anyway? Because a small-time MAGA grifter YouTuber made a misleading video a few weeks ago claiming day care centers in Minneapolis were running a scam. His “evidence”? The day cares had locked doors and wouldn’t let him in with his cameras—which is what day cares do when random people show up demanding entry.

Noem is claiming that ICE had to be in Minneapolis based on her lies that the city is “dangerous” and full of “criminals” who don’t belong there. But as multiple people have pointed out there has been only one murder in Minneapolis in 2026.

It was the one committed by this ICE agent yesterday.

The Trump MAGA DHS position is that if you don’t immediately submit in every possible way, they will frame you as a “threat” who they can kill with impunity. Defector’s summary is exactly right:

Now that the Trump administration has shown it will immediately make up a flagrant lie in an attempt to justify the summary execution of a U.S. citizen, on video, in broad daylight—and will outright valorize the ICE agent who drew his pistol and killed a civilian for the crime of moving her vehicle a few feet—the message is clear, to ICE agents and everyone else: Nothing constrains these agents except whatever inhibits any individual one of them, personally, from brutalizing and murdering any person who disobeys them….

In the eyes of the state and its agents, all of the rest of us are walking around with a standing presumption, not just of guilt, but of murderous intent. Anything but total and immediate submission is domestic terrorism. It’s punishable by whatever the masked and unidentified government agent pointing a gun at your face decides to dish out.

And, of course, the compliant media is playing its part. Both the NY Times and the Washington Post initially embraced the view-from-nowhere approach of claiming the events around the shooting are “disputed.”

Come the fuck on. Five hours later and the headline is still about a disputed shooting. Just a basic lack of courage to acknowledge the obvious.

Don Moynihan (@donmoyn.bsky.social) 2026-01-08T01:35:33.447Z

The old journalism joke is that if one person tells you it’s sunny outside and the other says it’s raining, you don’t report that the weather is disputed. You go the fuck outside and check. We have the video here. Multiple angles. It shows exactly what happened. But the Times and Post were treating the administration’s obvious lies as equally valid to the documented evidence because… why? Because acknowledging that a federal agency will murder a citizen and then lie about it in the face of video evidence is too uncomfortable? This isn’t neutral journalism—it’s active complicity in state violence. When the media treats documented murder and transparent lies as a “dispute,” they’re telling every ICE agent that there will be no accountability, no matter how clear the evidence.

Yes, eventually, this morning, both the NY Times and the Washington Post published more thorough investigations, showing that the administration is lying. But they let the “dispute” stand for 24 hours, allowing the administration to set the narrative that will live on. And even now they’re using equivocal language. The Post’s story talks about how the video evidence “raises questions about” what the admin is saying, rather than just coming out and saying that they’re LYING.

And I won’t get into how state media like Fox News is reporting on this: focusing on whatever it could dig up about Good to mock her, as if anything in her personal life or views somehow justifies her being murdered. Or all the GOP elected officials going on TV trying to pretend that she might have deserved to have been murdered in the street.

Yes, I know that in these tribal times so many people are playing the team sports thing of just immediately defending their cult leader. Going on X and looking around, you see just an overwhelming flood of absolute bullshit from MAGA folks cracking jokes (remember when they wanted people fired for joking about Charlie Kirk’s murder?) and trying to spin the story, knowing full well it’s all bullshit.

But some are seeing through it. A neighbor near where the murder happened, who identified himself as “right leaning,” admitted that the situation shook him, as “this is not how we’re supposed to be doing things in America.”

Really worth watching this interview with a bystander who witnessed the ICE shooting in Minneapolis: "I'm pretty right-leaning. But seeing this, this is not how we're supposed to be doing things in America.”

Matt McDermott (@mattmfm.bsky.social) 2026-01-07T22:56:25.169Z

He’s right. And it is beyond disgusting that so many powerful forces in our government and the media are trying to twist and manipulate the story to justify an out of control ICE.

The only appropriate response here is to shut down ICE. Shut down DHS. Yes, there are important and necessary roles in DHS, but they existed without DHS before it was formed two decades ago, and we can redistribute those roles elsewhere in the federal government. But we don’t need ICE. We don’t need a secret federal police that goes around in masks kidnapping and murdering people.

It’s about as un-American as you can imagine.

This murder has at least appeared to wake some politicians from their slumber. We’ve seen multiple Democratic politicians, especially in Minnesota, speak out as forcefully as I’ve seen politicians speak out in years, telling ICE to get the fuck out of Minneapolis and calling out the administration’s lies directly. That matters. When officials with actual power are willing to name the truth—that ICE murdered a citizen and the administration is lying about it—it creates space for others to do the same.

But also thousands came out to memorialize Renee Nicole Good, in the freezing cold in a Minneapolis January. Hundreds turned up at a training session for legal observers, even as hundreds more are already patrolling Minneapolis, observing ICE’s illegal actions, and doing so knowing that ICE and DHS won’t hesitate to shoot them dead.

That’s what a movement looks like when institutions fail. Not waiting for someone to save us, but showing up in the freezing cold to say: you will not do this in our name. You will not kill our neighbors without witness. You will not lie about it unchallenged.

I’m going to leave this post up for a while before we post anything else. This matters more than the usual tech policy stories right now.

There are plenty of things going on that are infuriating. Ever day this administration finds new ways to spit on the Constitution. We’re still dealing with the illegal invasion of Venezuela, and apparent plans to attack multiple other nations around the Western Hemisphere.

But Renee Nicole Good’s murder cuts through all of that noise. A masked federal agent murdered an American citizen in broad daylight for no reason at all. The administration lied about it with video evidence directly contradicting every word. The media called it “disputed.” And thousands of people said no.

The institutional guardrails have failed. The courts warned us this would happen and it happened anyway. The media won’t hold power accountable. So the work falls to us—to show up, to document, to refuse to accept the lies, to make the cost of this violence too high to sustain.

ICE must be abolished. This cannot stand. And anyone who makes excuses for what happened yesterday has chosen a side, and it’s not the side of America or freedom or anything resembling justice.

Renee Nicole Good was a poet, a mother, and a citizen murdered by her own government for the crime of existing near an ICE agent having a bad day. Remember her name. Remember what they did. And remember that they lied about it even with the cameras rolling.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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Some people seem to keep missing the point that this is the intended result of ICE and CBP deployments. Authoritarians want excuses to justify more deployments, more violence, and more restrictions on rights and liberties.

The fact that Noem deploys the terrorism claims so instantly and with confidence, quite possibly before even seeing any video of the incident herself, shows that they have been waiting for their violence to provoke any event that they can use to make things worse. The truth doesn’t matter. The narrative will be pushed regardless of contradictory evidence. The agenda must be served. Damn the truth. Full speed ahead.

Also, side note, the script writers for this season need to be fired. It’s too on the nose that authoritarian federal agents murdered a person named Good. This is way too obvious symbolism, a la Pilgrim’s Progress.

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Thad (profile) says:

All of that is true, of course; ICE is and always has been a lawless goon squad.

But, more specifically, it appears that this is a smaller goon squad within the goon squad, that reports directly to Bovino, who’s taking orders directly from Miller.

Marcy Wheeler: Time to Ask if Stephen Miller Has Authorized Assault and Murder of Peaceful ICE Observers

DisgruntledAnonymous (profile) says:

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Regards to if Miller authorized the assault and murder of peaceful ICE Observers, signs are saying ‘yes’ if past history is any indication. They’re doing everything possible to stop people from recording and documenting the cruelties that are carried out on the tax payer dollars. This would include the goon squad under Bovino who reports to Miller directly.

Anonymous Coward says:

Where the ICE officer that shot was placed (facing the vehicle), he couldn’t see the wheels and so if the vehicle wasn’t heading right to him. He shot very fast without properly aiming. Surely, it wasn’t a deliberate but unfortunate head shot.
I guess the constant threat of domestic violence/terrorism make all ICE officers nervous, that could explain how things have unfolded.
It may explain this situation.
But, the reckless ICE behavior and the terrible lies of the current administration won’t ever excuse this murder.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I guess the constant threat of domestic violence/terrorism make all ICE officers nervous

Nervous? Are you fucking kidding me? Take a walk with that horse shit. Several armed men dressed in all their tacticool glory wearing masks, and they’re scared? They sure didn’t seem to be scared when they ran up to her door and started grabbing at her.

I have an idea – stop hiring roid-raging misfits who get scared so easily. I never thought cowardice was a prerequisite for law enforcement, but here we are.

And fuck ICE, the mothers who bore them, and the fathers that should’ve pulled out.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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The car was still moving and was a threat.

So much so that he didn’t even bother to put his phone down. It was that threatening to him.

You should really stop making such a big fool of yourself, you Nazi twat. If it isn’t clear at this point, no one’s buying your bullshit here, Goebbels.

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Anonymous Coward says:

The Freedom Police should be a key message

When it’s clear that Freiheit Gestapo (Freedom Police) believe that the only freedom we deserve is death, then that needs to be a key talking point over and over. Make people on the streets and at every level of government and corporate leadership justify why they are OK with that, knowing it could be them next.

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Mike Pellegrini (user link) says:

Krusty Gnome told the truth (finally)

It definitely was domestic terrorism – by the ICE gestapo agent.Cold blooded murder. The lady was clearly trying to just get the hell out of there, wheels pointed away from the agent.

There’s so much video and testimony from different people/sources, it is incontrovertible. Cold blooded murder.

What’s going to be interesting is if the FBI and the state police come to different conclusions. No way they can, legitimately. If patel does order the FBI to lie, then there goes that last bit of credibility the FBI has.

It’ll also be interesting to see if the state can actually arrest the agent. If they refuse to turn over the murderer, that could create some alternatives. Perhaps we’ll see a gunfight between ICE and the Minnesota State Troopers? Maybe Walz will use the Minnesota National Guard to round up and deport ICE?

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David says:

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If the agent had felt threatened by the car, he could have just stepped aside instead of moving in front of the car, taking aim, and shooting her point-blank. Shooting her led to the car going out of control and crashing, and the agent still had enough time to push himself off its side. It wasn’t speeding until after he shot her.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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No, really, even if they’re imagining it.

Take the loss, fool. If you think an imaginary threat is the same as a real one, you’re the one with the mental issues.

Roy: “Geez Roy, that car over there is coming right for me!”
Dan: “Roy, the car is parked and no one’s in it.”
Roy: “But it’s coming right for me! I can’t explain it, but I just know.”
Dan: “You’re imagining things! Stop!”
Roy: “Doesn’t matter if it’s real or not. I’m shooting it. I feel threatened.”

That’s how fucking ridiculous you sound jagoff.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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The problem is that even if you were correct, which you aren’t, the video shows the cop walking around in front of the vehicle, so he created the danger to himself if there was a valid claim of danger. If the vehicle was a deadly threat, why would he have gotten near it, much less in front of it? And the other agents shouted contradictory orders to move and to get out of the vehicle. If she was following the order to move, then the other agent would be the cause of the “danger” that the shooter was supposedly in.

I love how you put an essential right from the Constitution in quotes as if it’s not a real thing.

No person shall be…deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

If you are a deadly threat to a cop, they get to shoot you. No, really, even if they’re imagining it.

You’re just describing the fact that law enforcement has been trained and allowed to operate unconstitutionally. That’s not an argument for justice. You’re just saying this injustice is common practice. That’s not a valid defense. That’s an admission that the outrage against this injustice is valid.

Gwiz (profile) says:

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Regardless, any state case will be removed to federal court, so it actually doesn’t matter what anyone in MN thinks about it.

The Supremacy Clause, in practice, does not give Federal agents complete blanket immunity against state charges. In order for the charges to be dismissed the action must be in the course of their duty and be reasonable. Shooting someone in a moving vehicle is a violation of DHS’s own policies and therefore not reasonable by any standards. Yes the case would most likely be moved to a Federal court and if didn’t get dismissed by the Supremacy Clause, would be prosecuted by the state’s prosecutors in Federal court, but would still be a state charge that Trump cannot pardon.

Heart of Dawn (profile) says:

ICE is the perfect job for the kind of weak and pathetic men who believe that masculinity comes from exercising power over others, and doing it cruelly.

And this goes all the way to the top. Not only does ICE need to be abolished, but also the system that created it in the first place.

As it stands, things are only going to get worse. So much worse.

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Bloof (profile) says:

This was inevitable when they started hiring people based on racism, hatred and greed and made them functionally above the law. There will be more blood in america’s streets before Trump is through, and every single sh*tbag responsible will be listed in a phonebook worth of pardons that is presented to the world before they announce his death.

David says:

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This was inevitable when they started hiring people based on racism, hatred and greed and made them functionally above the law.

In this case, they murdered a devout white Christian mother. That does not make it a worse crime than their usual murders, but it makes it a worse sell to their morose racist xenophobic cheerleaders.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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Did Good need to be deported? What about the other American citizens who have been shot, shot at, beaten, gassed, held beyond statutory limits, etc? Oh, wait, you’re going to pretend that each and every single instance of someone abused by a federal agent definitely had it coming, despite your complete lack of citations much less knowledge of all such instances. Because you don’t know or care about truth, just the official propaganda you’ve been fed. This is definitely not the behavior of a person in a cult…

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Two kinds of people pull the kind of shit that the asshole on this comments section is pulling: trolls and people deluded into thinking Trump is God. And per Everyone Is 12 Theory, neither option is all that distinguishable from the other any more. After all, look at how this particular asshole keeps using a certain ableist slur throughout this whole comments section. Who else but a 12-year-old, or someone with the emotional maturity thereof (e.g., a Trump supporter), would take pride in being that much of a nasty little shit?

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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She was obstructing ICE.

They drove up to her. Another vehicle was able to pass her, indicating the road was clear.

This claim that she was obstructing is just the official claim to justify attacking her. Provide proof she was obstructing. They chose to be distracted by legal observers (who, btw, Fox News pundits, don’t require law degrees).

I just believe in the law.

Do you believe in the constitution and all the other laws that the president has violated? You’re like a Christian eating pork on Sunday after committing adultery and talking about how much you love the bible.

The law includes the 5th and 14th amendments that protect people from being murdered by government agents, that requires due process of law, not extrajudicial executions.

All the illegals need to be deported.

Illegal isn’t a noun. And many of the people targeted, arrested, assaulted aren’t here illegally. Many are even citizens. Deporting non-citizens isn’t a blanket excuse to break all the other laws.

AWFL who obstruct just need to be arrested and charged. (and if the deadly assault an LEO they will be killed)

Nothing ICE does is just. Even when enforcing “the law,” they’re still exceeding limits on assault, committing illegal detention, and many human rights violations. They’re even defying court orders which are a constitutionally mandated check on their power.

But sure, keep pretending you can just keep saying “the law” like it’s a magic spell that absolves them morally of murder and assault and, yes, even genocide.

You (We, Us) says:

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They drove up to her with lights flashing. She had parked sideways in the middle of the road 3 to 4 minutes prior.

I am not American and live in another country. So is it normal to park sideways in the middle of the road there and what is procedure when you see an emergency vehicle approaching, from any direction?

MrWilson (profile) says:

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They drove up to her with lights flashing.

And?

She had parked sideways in the middle of the road 3 to 4 minutes prior.

Did you notice the snow that made the sides of the road dangerous?

I am not American and live in another country.

Yeah, this is really telling. You don’t have a dog in the fight, but you’ll argue in favor of authoritarianism in another country. Fuck right off with that noise.

So is it normal to park sideways in the middle of the road there and what is procedure when you see an emergency vehicle approaching, from any direction?

If you’re already stopped and an emergency vehicle can pass you (as the other vehicle already demonstrated) then you typically just wait for the emergency vehicle to pass. But also, if they wanted her out of the way (as one of them yelled at her to do) why would they also tell her to get out of her car? And why would they try to get her out of her car while it’s supposedly in the way if they’re trying to get by? Apparently they weren’t trying to get anywhere. Doesn’t sound like an emergency. That would be improper use of the lights.

Contrary to what you apparently want to believe, there are legal limits on what federal officers and all law enforcement officers can do in the US, including shooting at moving vehicles or unarmed people or fleeing subjects.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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You don’t call me a “nazi” cuz you actually think I am one. You call me one so you can justify (fantasize, in this case) about violence.

Actually, I call you a Nazi because I think you’re one. You’re suggesting I’m violent because if you do, then somehow I’m ‘as or more evil’ than you. And let’s face it – you want a fight, just like the other shitposting edgelords think they do. That’s your personality showing, shithead.

Now fuck off and learn how to pick some fucking beans. You’re going to need to know if you want to compete.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Let me break it down for you:

By your own standards applied to Renee Gold in this case, if you have something that can be used to kill someone and you point it in the direction of someone, then you intend to use it to kill them.

If you don’t have any method or intent to kill someone, you wouldn’t be crowing about your capacity to commit violence. The fact that you are means that you are both capable and willing to commit violence.

Because those capable and willing to commit violence are, in your words, entirely on the left wing of the political spectrum, then the logical conclusion is that you are a leftist.

All of those premises can be found in your posts on this article, and the conclusion is pretty easy to reach once you have them all lined up.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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You don’t call me a “nazi” cuz you actually think I am one.

Define Nazi. Seriously. Tell us what you think a Nazi actually is. What is a fascist? What are their values? Define them and tell us how you differ.

Bonus points: After you write your own misguided description of what a fascist is (“Leftists are the real fascists!”), look up actual academic scholarship on fascism and see how the term does accurately describe your ideology.

Or better, tell us how academics aren’t a valid source of information on fascism, and then watch us laugh when we point out that anti-intellectualism is a tenet of fascism.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Because it’s not about immigration.

It’s about a shitload of paranoid white guys scared out of their jackboots by the fact that they are quickly becoming a minority, and that the new majority might treat them like they do minorities.

It’s not about the border. It’s about Trump catering to the white supremacist ‘christian’ people trying to build a white-trash redneck ethnostate.

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Thad (profile) says:

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Vance is just as evil as Trump and not as stupid (low bar), but nobody likes him. He doesn’t have Trump’s cult. He wouldn’t be able to wield stochastic terrorism as effectively as Trump does. And in the hypothetical event that Trump’s been successfully removed from office, that means Senate Republicans are finally done being a rubber stamp for him, a guy who was extremely popular with their supporters, so I wouldn’t expect them to be a rubber stamp for Vance, a guy who isn’t.

All that said, I have a hard time believing that’s going to happen. They didn’t support his impeachment after he tried to have them murdered; I don’t think there’s anything that will make them support it. I think the likelier path toward President Vance is that Trump dies in office. I’m not talking about violence; I’m saying look at that motherfucker, he looks like he could keel over any day.

Thad (profile) says:

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(None of which is to say I don’t support his impeachment. I supported the last two and I support the next one. I’m not saying don’t impeach the motherfucker. I think it’s absolutely imperative to impeach him. I don’t see any way to get a 2/3 majority in the Senate, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try. Again and again.)

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Anonymous Coward says:

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No, actually. Not that there are every many confirmed cases at all, cuz if you ever try to investigate it they call you racist.

They did recently find out that 300k ballots in GA in 2020 were never certified, tho. In other words, yeah, 2020 was very likely stolen.

I would say it worked out better this way but all that inflation was really painful. Except that I bought my house just before hand, so that’s nice. (I saw it coming)

Anonymous Coward says:

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In other words, yeah, 2020 was very likely stolen.

And in a reddish state like Georgia too, with Republican leaders and all that shit. Man, you fuckers get played like a fiddle, don’t you? I never had thought a man such as trump with all his big brains and shit could get fucked like such a little bitch by some minority-party libtard democrats.

Question is, so fucking what? You can count the 2020 votes as many times as you want, and whine about it until you drop dead.

He lost. Get over it.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Fulton County which is very blue, actually. But the leanings of the county only matters as to who was doing the counting, because this was exactly what would happen if people were manufacturing ballots. 315k ballots which were not verified were counted. Completely illegal, btw.

And it matters a lot because it means Trump’s concerns were entirely valid.

But it’s OK, we got an angried Trump in 2024.

Anonymous Coward says:

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And it matters a lot because it means Trump’s concerns were entirely valid.

I really don’t care about trump’s concerns, and neither did the courts north of 60 times. Perhaps if he didn’t spend 2020 convincing his voters that mail-in ballots are fraud and that COVID was just the flu, more of them would have been alive to vote.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Hey, if you don’t like him, probably should’ve voted for the other guy.

I would’ve voted for a potted plant over trump. You guys had me convinced about Biden and his mental faculties, until you elected this crayon-eating dipshit.

You do understand what a fucking fool he sounds like when he talks about passing his MOCA tests, right? It’s not something to be proud of, like a participation peace prize. But rather something administered when a person is exhibiting cognitive failure. (And that’s a fact, whether you like it, care, or otherwise).

So I’m sure you understand how unexcited I become when I see you touting the genius of this senile pile of blubber.

Sok Puppette says:

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First of all, it turns out that “high crimes and misdemeanors” are whatever Congress says they are, so if they wanted to impeach and remove Vance for wearing eyeliner, they could do that.

Second, Vance has been an active co-conspirator in many of Trump’s crimes, so there is, in fact, plenty of substance to remove him over. Making war in violation of the Constitution. Conspiracy to violate state sovereignty via military invasion1. Since he’s participating in the very coverup this article is about, obstructing justice and accessory after the fact to murder. If you want clearly direct involvement, he’s going to be supervising the “special US Attorney” doing the witch hunt in Minnesota, so interference with state sovereignty under false color of Federal authority. That’s off the top; if I spent 15 minutes, I could probably come up with a dozen more.

  1. That’s the constitutional gloss. Statutorily, Posse Commitatus and I think there’s another National-Guard-related one that I can’t recall the name of offhand. But again, the beauty of impeachment is that the Constitution does not require any violation of any specific element of any actual statute. “Misdemeanor” in 1789 literally means “any bad behavior”. 

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Anonymous Coward says:

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First of all, it turns out that “high crimes and misdemeanors” are whatever Congress says they are

Oh, I realize, Democrats impeached Trump the first time for pointing out Biden’s obvious bribes and the second time for not agreeing with them about an election.

That doesn’t mean you’re justified however, does it? You can impeach Vance for wearing eyeliner and the democrats will become further marginalized.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Hoo boy – that got your panties in a wad didn’t it?

Orange face paint for a 79-year-old man-child is fucking stupid. Is he trying to emulate Michael Jackson with that look? Seems like he has the attraction to ‘younger’ people all worked out, and he’s got his own ‘Neverland’ in FL already.

I figured the orange paint was the next logical step.

And JD Vance in eyeliner – you brought that up. Eyeliner is over the top for a grown man OF ANY AGE.

Gwiz (profile) says:

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You are just mad that most people disagree with you.

Even your use of “most people” is a lie:

Majorities have said ICE’s operations are “too tough” (53% in an October CBS News-YouGov poll) and that it has “gone too far” in enforcing immigration laws (54% in a June Marist College poll).

Voters disapproved 57%-39% of how ICE was enforcing immigration laws in a July Quinnipiac University poll.

In each case, about 6 in 10 independents sided against ICE.

An August Pew Research Center poll showed ICE was the second-least-popular federal agency among 16 tested – edging out only the much-maligned Internal Revenue Service.

Indeed, ICE actually appears to be more unpopular today than it was back in the late 2010s, when some liberals pushed to “abolish ICE.”

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/politics/ice-trump-politics-analysis

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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“most people” voted for him

No, they didn’t. Not even half of the potential U.S. electorate voted in the 2024 election, and of the population that did vote, Trump won a plurality without winning an actual majority. At most, a quarter of the American populace voted for Trump. His support is overblown because he’s a cruel, vindictive fascist who bends the media to his will (because it wants access and drama over boring-as-fuck politics that work for the American people), lords over the GOP (because a good chunk of them are probably scared as fuck of being the next Melissa Hortman), and now wants to invade and/or annex sovereign nations with the U.S. military.

If you have any sort of citation of fact that isn’t some bullshit math like Trump’s “we’re gonna reduce prices by 700%” inanity, you feel free to offer it. But if you’re not committed to bullshitting, you’ll find out when you run the stats on the number of votes in 2024 and the size of the voting age populace in the United States that I’m 100% objectively correct about how much of the country actually voted for a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist to become POTUS.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Most people voted for him.

And you’re leaving out the context of his victory: He won a quarter of the American voting populace and still couldn’t get a majority of the popular vote, just like how he didn’t get a majority of the popular vote in 2020 and 2016⁠—a fact that probably eats him alive and still pisses you off enough to spiral into conspiracy fantasism.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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He won the popular vote. Yes that’s a plurality, not a majority, same is true of Biden and most elections.

You say that like I worship Biden instead of thinking that centrist needledick should’ve gotten out of the race much earlier than he did. My dude, not everyone worships politicians the way you right-wing shitbirds worship Trump as if he were actually God. Seriously, I actually like Liz Warren as a lawmaker, and even I was willing to shittalk her a few years ago for threatening Amazon over some shitty tweets. All of y’all over there in Everyone-Is-12 Land need to stop thinking your leaders are deities.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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good job linking the democrat edited misleading footage

If you believe that particular footage is edited to be misleading, by all means, show me the unedited footage of all those events. Show me the unedited shooting of Ashli Babbitt. Show me the unedited footage of people breaking windows to breach the Capitol. Go ahead, prove to me that the way that video was edited is misleading or “erroneous” in any way.

Or do you not have the balls to do some fucking legwork, you lazy motherfucker?

HotHead (profile) says:

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You morons literally called grandmas wandering around the capital an “armed insurrection” and pretended it was worse than 9/11.

MAGA cultists don’t merely ignore the elephant in the room. They pretend that all complaints about the elephant are actually complaints about the rat in the room, ignore the few complaints that are actually about the rat rather than the elephant, and continue to insist years later that the person who brought the elephant into the room against the homeowner’s objections cannot be held responsible for any injuries and deaths that the elephant caused.

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Anonymous Coward says:

I am sorry you do not want the law enforced

The law will continue to be enforced

(Biden refusing to enforce these laws was in fact illegal)

Remember when you cried about USAID getting ripped up and Dept Edu getting vastly reduced? Get lost. I want ATF gone, that’s not how this works.

Otherwise, BASICALLY EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS A LIE.

The lady that got shot was in fact leading the protests and blocking the road on purpose (so, obstruction of justice). She was about to be arrested, probably charged. She didn’t just drive at the ICE officer, she actually hit him and he went to the hospital. I’m not sure she MEANT to do that, but she DID, and that is a lawful shooting in all 50 states. The case law on this is ENORMOUS (I know you don’t understand the law very well). Probably a couple dozen perps get shot this way every year.

but they appear to apply solely to a case where the car is driving directly at an ICE agent.

Yeah, that is exactly what happened, dipsh!t. The officer was literally hit. This was assault with a deadly weapon.

Also, Nick Shirley is a pretty big deal, much bigger than you are, and lol, no the video was not “misleading”. (he seemed to have accidentally tagged a few valid daycares, most of them obviously are not) There is an ENORMOUS amount of fraud in MN and it’s become obvious there is in fact a huge coverup, up to and including Tim Walz.

All the people involved in fraud (including a whole lot of democrat politicians) are going to be prosecuted.

All the illegals will be deported.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Like I said. You guys call EVERYONE who disagrees with you a “nazi”. (literally) Therefore it means nothing at all. Just as it did when you called everyone “racist” before that. I can feel you foaming at the mouth but that’s not a thesis.

NAZIs really were socialists btw. And hated Jews. So basically a 2025 democrat.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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You guys call EVERYONE who disagrees with you a “nazi”.

I only refer to fascists as Nazis. If you hate that the label applies to people with fascist tendencies⁠—like Donald Trump, JD Vance, Kristi Noem, and especially Stephen “I’ve never met a brown person I would hate to murder like a dog” Miller⁠—that’s your problem, stranger.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I only refer to fascists as Nazis.

Provably false.

and especially Stephen “I’ve never met a brown person I would hate to murder like a dog” Miller⁠

You literally just called a Jew a “nazi”, you dumb fuuck.

No one is actually fooled by this, it’s not working any better than “racist” did. It does incite some violence, tho.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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You literally just called a Jew a “nazi”

Yes, I did, because Stephen Miller is a Nazi. He’s a bigoted fascist who is likely the actual architect of Trump’s immigration project and openly supports the use of military force in sovereign nations to achieve American aims, up to and including regime change in those nations and/or annexing those nations as American territory.

Stephen Miller being Jewish isn’t a get-out-of-criticism-free card. And to be clear, I don’t give a shit that he’s Jewish. My criticism of him isn’t rooted in his ethnic or religious heritage. It’s rooted in the fact that he’s a racist son of a bitch who would order an immediate state-sanctioned execution of every Somalian immigrant in the United States if he actually could.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Yeah, and Marco Rubio is a white guy and brain surgeon isn’t a smart guy job cuz Ben Carson exists. Oh, and you’ll call him an Uncle Tom, too. Democrats are the racist ones. Remember when we freed your slaves and you got big mad?

openly supports the use of military force in sovereign nations to achieve American aims

Yeah, buddy, so do I. SO has basically every US administration ever. Iran having nukes is bad, actually. (and yes, it worked, too, Iran might be free in a couple weeks and that has EVERYTHING to do with Trump). Communist dictators are bad too, actually. But go ahead, tell the Venezuelans (weirdly, I know several) they should actually be sad.

This is why you people sound like satire.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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He went to the hospital and had evident injuries.

Yeah, a case of being terminally stupid (I hope his insurance doesn’t cover that shit). Seems like this jagoff has a history of playing chicken with cars, and getting hurt because of it.

You’d think he’d fucking know better by now.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Must be so embarrassing going around life spouting utter nonsense because you can’t critically think properly, you get your talking points from propagandists who lie to you all the time. Not to be able to discern lies is a major problem, but at least they’re all laughing at your stupid ass. How fucking embarrassing for you.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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You can clearly see him get hit in one of the videos. Keep in mind it wouldn’t even matter if she didn’t, only that she was driving towards him. Also, y’know, he went to the hospital.

I really don’t have time to deal with you lying to yourself. This is a lawful shooting in every state.

All the illegals have to be deported.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I really don’t have time to deal with you lying to yourself.

You’ve got time. You’ve posted this same shit to everyone else who knows how full of shit you are.

All the illegals have to be deported.

I get it – so that you MAGAs can all become the bean and watermelon pickers you always wanted to be but weren’t skilled enough.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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OK, I’m not interested in dealing with you lying to yourself.

This is a variation of “most leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things”. You’re being stupid on purpose. That’s on you, not me.

I get it – so that you MAGAs can all become the bean and watermelon pickers you always wanted to be

Democrats getting mad about GOP taking away their slaves again. That’s literally your argument.

Anonymous Coward says:

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We get it dude. You’re a heartless piece of shit who has no sense of empathy and you take out your sad sack life by being a keyboard warrior edgelord to make up for you deep insecurities.

I hope you get the help you so desperately need.

To be this callous, this committed to the lie, in the face of such obvious and unnecessary evil is a pathology. I really hope that one day you get the help you need and get better. Because being this willing to lie in support of unhinged evil must be so damaging.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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“cope and seethe”

  • desperate person who can’t cope and continues to seethe

Every time you respond with this unhinged vitriol and spew blatant propaganda that is almost verbatim what authoritarian sociopaths are telling you to believe, you’re just telling on yourself. A person who is actually as knowledgeable as you pretend to believe you are wouldn’t need to desperately respond to every post going, “nuh uh!”

If you had facts, you’d pound the facts, but you’re just repeating the propaganda without question. We can read the propaganda. We’ve already seen it. Just doing your performative expression of belief in the official narrative isn’t of any value to anyone. Do you get something out of it? Is it making you feel better than you “fought the good fight” for homicidal racist assholes? Do you think they’re so fragile that they need defending?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Lol, I cited quite a few facts, actually, an just now I was responding to someone who literally had nothing but an appeal to emotion argument.

But the juxtaposition of you accusing me of “vitriol” when all I have been countered with is “nazi” an meaningless emotional arguments sure is something.

Leftists are hateful af.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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It’s more like I’m saying you’re animals that should probably be put down, or at least contained.

Certainly we need a lot less SSRIs and more institutionalizing. Mental illness is the democratic base, at this point. (there are actual stats on this)

It shows off your hyper-sensitive feminine sides.

You’re the people who think a man can be a woman, right?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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So does that mean you want me to make them stop? It sounds like your feefees are getting hurt, and you’re starting to think about violence.

I remember back in the day, some trunt like you who said he would never post on TD again. He thought he was a bad guy (250#, IIRC – kind of a fat fuck for his height; said he had some kind of engineering degree, but he didn’t seem like he could engineer a bowel movement, let alone something useful. Pretended to be well versed in one particular insignificant case about some fucking railroad. I digress, though). He thought he was an edgelord.

You write like him. He was a twat too.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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Lol, I cited quite a few facts, actually,

I don’t think you understand what a citation is. It’s an actual link or accessible reference to proof. Just saying, “It’s a fact that…” isn’t a citation. Prove your claims. She hit him? Show us the video. Link to it. We saw multiple videos that dispute your claims (which aren’t your claims at all, but just retransmitting what you’ve been told to believe).

an just now I was responding to someone who literally had nothing but an appeal to emotion argument.

Why are you pretending like that’s a relevant follow up to the fact that you didn’t provide any citations of your claims? Someone else who wasn’t arguing facts not arguing facts doesn’t mean your counter-factual claims are valid or intellectually honest as a rhetorical device. Why do you think everyone who responds to you has to communicate in the exact same way?

That said, the fact that a call for empathy doesn’t resonate with you proves that the claims you responded to are true. Why does the murder of a person who didn’t pose a deadly threat not hit your emotions? Are you incapable of feeling a reaction to injustice and needless death? Or worse, do you feel glee because your brain is so soaked in the propaganda that you’ve been mainlining because you’ve bought into the idea that the out-crowd isn’t human or deserving of human rights?

But the juxtaposition of you accusing me of “vitriol” when all I have been countered with is “nazi” an meaningless emotional arguments sure is something.

You are spewing vitriol. It’s an accurate description of your hateful rhetoric.

You are also a fascist mouthpiece. You might as well be telling us that Der Führer sending the Jews and gay people and communists to camps is just “enforcing the law.”

Leftists are hateful af.

You are irrationally hateful against immigrants and people who are morally outraged at murder. You got called a bad name (which is also accurate) and a mother and a wife got murdered because some racists wanted to cosplay as fascist stormtroopers. Your precious feelings were hurt with some name-calling. So you are capable of feeling emotions, but only relating to yourself. That is very rational and mature.

I am hateful of injustice and the people who support and perpetuate it. That’s not an insult. That’s a basic moral stance.

Don’t want to get called a Nazi? Don’t parrot fascist propaganda. Don’t cheer the deaths of innocent people. Don’t praise authoritarianism.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Oh, you and your silliness. For someone “run over”, that piece of shit pig sure seemed to walk away and run to his car just fine. But don’t let facts get in the way of your righteous indignation.

His identity won’t be secret for long, and I’m sure someone can get his side of the story to clear things up. If he isn’t too scared, that is.

And Nick Shirley is just another grifter selling you uneducated shitbags another bill of goods. I assume Nick Shirley doesn’t have a child enrolled in all of the daycares he ‘checked’, so why in the fuck would they let him in? I thought you people are worried about ‘groomers’ and men in the women’s rest room, but here you are thinking this random asshole should get to see someone else’s children in a daycare?

Stop blaming immigrants for your problems – it isn’t their fault your parents raised an moron.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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“Hit” does not mean “run over” you fucking retard.

Well in this case, Fuckface, ‘Hit’ does not actually mean ‘hit’ either. He’s a fucking bullshitter who knew he fucked up and had to do something to appear like the victim. And his name is Jonathan Ross. He’s 46 and lives in NE Minneapolis.

Since he’s a victim, we should all know his name, right?

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Strawb (profile) says:

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(he was limping, slightly)

Liar.

And of course it doesn’t actually matter if he got hit, only that the car was moving towards him, but he absolutely got hit.

Watch the NYT video analysis. He absolutely did not get hit, and the car wasn’t aiming for him. He opened fire as the car was driving past him.

He’s a murderer. Pure and simple.

Be quiet, adults are speaking. (well, one)

There you go lying again.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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There’s nothing to walk away from.

If you drive towards a cop in a way they might think is a threat (and they’re allowed to be quite dumb about this) they’re allowed to shoot you. You can argue about whether that’s the way the law SHOULD be (personally I think they should have less latitude) but it is unequivocally the way it IS, all 50 states.

(also, not everything you disagree with has a parallel to the nazis, you retard)

Anonymous Coward says:

I have heard this story before

I heard it when I was young — arguably too young to hear such things. But the old people in my family, the survivors, thought that it was very important to pass the story on before they were gone. They thought carefully before asking a child to carry such a heavy burden, and the decided that there was simply no other way: the story had to be told and heard and remembered. It could not be lost.

I have spent my entire life hoping this story would remain what it has always been for me: history. An awful, horrifying history of violence and kidnapping and torture and murder, carried out by sadistic thugs on innocent people…because they could. But still: history, safely in the past, remembered but not current reality. I hoped that the world had moved on from this, learned from it, made it impossible for this to ever happen again.

I wasn’t wrong to hope for that. But I was wrong to believe that it wouldn’t happen again. I wish I had not lived to see this day, when in my own country, the country that championed liberty and freedom, the country that more than any other ended the nightmare 80 years ago…the horror has returned.

This cannot stand. It must be ended, and it must be ended now. Because if it’s not, it will get worse. Much worse.

Anonymous Coward says:

Teach about car/person weight ratio

https://www.newsweek.com/jonathan-ross-ice-agent-shooting-minneapolis-minnesota-11332093

Welp, we have a name, and it seems like this fucking idiot has a habit of thinking he can stop cars with only his attitude. You’d think the Feds wouldn’t have to teach him that, but here we are.

I learned about not playing chicken with cars when I was a child. What’s this dumb fuck’s excuse? One time maybe, but multiple times suggests this guy is a fucking nut, or at lease really fucking obtuse.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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If an officer tells you to stop, you have stop.

If you want to get away (also a crime btw), and try to do so by driving through the cop, they get to shoot you. That is settled law in every state. If you survive you most likely will be charged with either attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon.

No, it doesn’t matter much if what the cop was doing before that was smart or reasonable.

If cop tells you to stop, stop. If you’re in a car, foot off the gas if you want to live. That is literally the law.

Anonymous Coward says:

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If an officer tells you to stop, you have stop.

Well, JONATHAN ROSS should have known better than anyone else that telling them to stop is only part of the equation. The other part is actually thinking you can make it happen.

Your boy has a habit of thinking he can take on a car, and it seems dragging him around didn’t bring home the fucking point. This time, his ass is gonna sit in jail, preferably in a multi-racial unit, where he can explain how ICE is making their lives safer.

No, it doesn’t matter much if what the cop was doing before that was smart or reasonable.

To be clear, I never suggested any of these ICE people are smart or reasonable. They’re the biggest assholes America has to offer, and stupid has run through their veins for generations now. But please keep defending this moron – it’s only a matter of time before he tries this with another vehicle. Let’s just hope Darwin’s watching this time…

If cop tells you to stop, stop.

Mmmmmmmm, you keep licking that boot…just like that…a little more tongue…that’s how I like you bitches!

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Anonymous Coward says:

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You keep on doxxing the guy, cuz you hope someone does him hard. Typical leftist.

This time, his ass is gonna sit in jail

Nope. He is unlikely to even be charged, and if he is it will be quickly thrown out. He should have shot the first guy too, btw.

preferably in a multi-racial unit

So this doesn’t even make sense, since the victim was white, and hispanics aren’t especially upset about ICE, either, but there ya go wishing him physical harm again.

God damn leftists are evil, hateful, violent.

Anonymous Coward says:

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You keep on doxxing the guy, cuz you hope someone does him hard. Typical leftist.

Clutch them pearls harder, bitch. His name is public information thanks to his feckless cunt of a boss, when she said how he had tried to fight cars before and lost. Miserably. That’s what she had to do since the video obviously shows him doing his job improperly, you know, according to the DOJ’s own guidance on people vs. car.

And I really don’t care about him or his family, for that matter. Although I’m sure if he had kids they would probably be embarrassed that their father is such a piece of shit, but hey, that’s his problem.
I do care if he has any dogs & cats though. I only wish them the best and want them to know that we don’t judge them based on their owners’ irrational fear and stupidity.

Here, tell these people they’re ‘doxxing’ and they need to take it down:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minnesota-ice-agent-shooting-identified-b2897112.html

When I see that gone I’ll send you another.

Good luck, fool.

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Paul Alan Levy (profile) says:

Almost first rate reporting

This detailed analysis of the incident is terrific, but I have to dissent in one respect: your complaints about media equivocation.

You published this story the day after — more than 24 hours after — Good was murdered. You had the luxury of taking advantage of detailed reports in the media (and elsewhere) including, for example, the NYT and Washington Post. So you were able to come to conclusions about the ICE agent who did the shooting without any concerns about being sued for libel.

But when media entities like the NYT published breaking news stories yesterday morning, they did not have that luxury. And every media company around has in mind the readiness of some lawyers firms associated with right-wing causes to jump into libel suits that might seem hard to win but can be filed in state courts in jurisdictions that might well be hostile to the big-city media, or in federal courts where even a state anti-SLAPP law will be inapplicable under Erie. And they all remember what happened to the Washington Post and CNN when they rushed to publication about the confrontation near the Lincoln Memorial between Nicolas Sandmann and Nathan Phillips and overstated some aspects. Even with libel insurance coverage, being a defendant in case like that can be overwhelming. And even without naming the officer, stories necessarily were about a single individual who thus would have standing to sue for libel.

Should the media have held off on publication to make sure they had enough time to do the careful analysis that you were able to use? Or was it better that they spread the news quickly while noting the conflicting statements on both sides?

Drew Wilson (user link) says:

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The media literally had video evidence to work with at the time. All they had to do was look at the less than 5 minute video and just think about what they saw. This is a low bar and the media somehow managed to take a shovel, dig below that bar, and not make it. I know this because broadcasters were literally broadcasting that video (some even had time to edit it to censor out the bad words and black out the fatal moments) and saying that it was debateable which side is right here.

Even worse, broadcasters (at least here in Canada), 24 hours later, are still pushing the line that ‘Trump said one thing and video evidence and eyewitnesses say another, who’s to say what is accurate?’

Sorry, dude, the media failed at their job in this story. Add it to the growing pile that’s been building up rather quickly over the last few weeks.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Should the media have held off on publication to make sure they had enough time to do the careful analysis that you were able to use?

If it’s ICE, I’d assume any account they give about what’s happening or happened is more likely than not to be riddled with bullshit. ICE just isn’t reliable when it comes to their accounts of reality. The news needs to reflect that.

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Noodles says:

Seriously?

I don’t mean to minimise or belittle what’s happened here, but seriously?

I find it telling that you seem more outraged over one domestic murder than the fact that your administration is siding with the Russians, bombing boats in international waters (and double-tapping them to make sure there are no survivors), invading foreign countries, and literally threatening military action to invade your own NATO allies. Seriously. What the fuck, Americans?

You are all fucking insane. I’m done pretending that you are not. This proves that even the opposition is fucking deranged. You got way bigger problems to deal with, besides your own frosty brand of Hitler Jugend running amok.

Invading sovereign nations? Business as usual. Blaming Ukraine for being invaded? Business as usual. Threatening to annex Canada? Business as usual. Murdering people in international waters? Business as usual. Threatening to invade Greenland and Denmark, you own fucking NATO allies who are literally hosting your fucking military bases in the arctic? Business as usual.

One American shot by ICE? “I’m going to leave this post up for a while before we post anything else.” Really? THIS is the point where you need to stop the presses?

You are all fucking insane. All.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I feel like you’ve lost the plot. Which, truthfully, is understandable given how fucking crazy things are. This murder is in response to dissent among the populace about all those things. Not really clear how we can ignore that and expect anything to change about international thuggery.

We should be mad about all those things, which this site talks about regularly, as well as the murder of a person by the people violently repressing dissent. They are all connected.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

But seriously: it’s a blog, not NPR or NYT. It’s up to the interests of the authors what they write about… and every time I have come here recently it’s less about internet freedoms and more sperging about Trump or “the right”, or explaining how the exceptions to their principles.

It’s all so tiresome.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I find it telling that you seem more outraged over one domestic murder than the fact that your administration is siding with the Russians, bombing boats in international waters (and double-tapping them to make sure there are no survivors), invading foreign countries, and literally threatening military action to invade your own NATO allies.

Plenty of people care about all those other things in addition to this shitty situation. But unlike all those other things, this shitty situation is homegrown and within our power to affect to a greater extent than all the other fascist bullshit. I mean, there were people in the area of that shooting who saw someone get shot in the fucking face by an ICE agent and still had the fucking courage to stay at the scene and shittalk ICE agents. Americans are becoming less afraid of this bullshit, even as the people pulling the bullshit are afraid enough to start killing innocent Americans. This specific situation was a wake-up call to a hell of a lot of people, and even though none of those who woke up are in DNC leadership, it’s still going to have an effect.

I’m seriously not trying to undercut the importance of Trump’s Nazi-esque foreign invasions and all that. That’s all bad. But there’s not much a regular American can do about that beyond voicing their opposition. ICE being in major cities, on the other hand, can be met with firmer and more direct opposition from regular Americans, and that includes filming them constantly and preventing them from entering places they don’t belong. A hell of a lot of Americans don’t want Trump in office or his brand of fascism taking over the United States. If being angrier about this than about all the other bullshit makes people want to get on the side of “throw the fascists out”, I’ll take people getting angier about this and be grateful they finally woke the fuck up.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Rule 0 of a cult: If reality contradicts the cult leader reality is wrong

He murdered her. And Trump and his cronies are lying about it with video evidence directly contradicting every word.

What does that remind me of, ah yes…

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

According to the regime and it’s supporters any deaths by undocumented immigrants is too many and grounds to deport the lot of them, sure seems like cities and states need to apply the same standard to the US gestapo.

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You (We, Us) says:

Renee Nicole Good was a 37-year-old award-winning poet, a mother of a six-year-old, and a wife who had recently moved to Minneapolis

Shame she listened to the rhetoric from the left and thought that interfering with LEOs performing their duties was more important than her doing her own motherly duties.

The six year old was her wifes child from a previous marriage. She also had 2 teenagers of her own.

Her wife has already accepted the blame for begging her to come and help block traffic.

Hopefully this teaches black men to stay away from LEOs while driving. This was a white woman? Nevermind…

By the way, if you were walking through a parking lot and you saw/heard a vehicle aggressively accelerating towards you and you just barely got out of the way, what would you be thinking?

Someone parking
Someone on phone
Someone reading my blog
Get plate and call police
?

Anonymous Coward says:

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By the way, if you were walking through a parking lot and you saw/heard a vehicle aggressively accelerating towards you and you just barely got out of the way, what would you be thinking?

I’d be thinking I should watch for cars…what’s Jonathan Ross’s pathetic excuse? Is he fucking stupid or something? He has a habit of this, you know, contrary to the DOJs own guidance on people vs. car.

But you go on and keep defending this piece of shit. He’ll see what a jail feels like soon enough, where he can explain how immigrants and people of color are poisoning this country, and how they should revere him as some kind of hero. Buckle up fucko!

I’m sure Derek Chauvin was once as confident as you, that nothing will come of his fuckup…

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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interfering with LEOs

What, specifically, was she doing just before ICE agents shot her in the face that was interfering with any law enforcement action?

The six year old was her wifes child from a previous marriage. She also had 2 teenagers of her own.

You say that like you have even an ounce of sympathy for them when you have none⁠—because if you did have any, you wouldn’t be blaming their dead mother for an ICE agent shooting her in the face.

Hopefully this teaches black men to stay away from LEOs while driving. This was a white woman? Nevermind…

Holy shit, and you’re racist as fuck to boot. Oh, and by the by? An ICE agent killed a Black man a couple of weeks ago.

if you were walking through a parking lot and you saw/heard a vehicle aggressively accelerating towards you and you just barely got out of the way, what would you be thinking?

Hey, so, the agent who allegedly got hit in this specific situation was described by no less than JD Vance as someone who was traumatized by a prior incident involving said agent being dragged by a car. Tell me: If that agent was so “traumatized” by said prior incident that a similar yet far less dangerous incident led him to execute an otherwise innocent woman, why was he still a field agent?

Also, a lot of police officers and federal agents are trained to get the fuck out of the way of a moving vehicle if it poses an actual threat to said LEOs because firing at said vehicle poses a risk to bystanders (including other LEOs) and potential innocents in the vehicle alike. Assuming the ICE agent in this incident was trained that way, why did he ignore his training and open fire?

Alex Tolley says:

MSM reporting on ICE killing

The Guardian came very close to calling the US government a liar about their explanation[s] of the murder of the woman in Minneapolis. It was even the leading story on Friday, Jan 9th. Sadly, this was only on the UK edition. The US edition headline concerned the mayor’s demand for access to the evidence. I can only think this arrangement was due to Trump’s suing the BBC

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/09/white-house-minneapolis-ice-killing

Arijirija says:

At the risk of running horribly “woke”, I quote from a subversive document published in times well before the InterWebs, commonly known as USDOI (abbrev):
“For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:”
“He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.”
“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our [cities], the merciless [ICE], whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.”
Much too woke for the likes of the great majority of the US Congress, it appears.

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