Second Circuit Says Libraries Disincentivize Authors To Write Books By Lending Them For Free
from the this-can't-be-right dept
What would you think if an author told you they would have written a book, but they wouldn’t bother because it would be available to be borrowed for free from a library? You’d probably think they were delusional. Yet that argument has now carried the day in putting a knife into the back of the extremely useful Open Library from the Internet Archive.
The Second Circuit has upheld the lower court ruling and found that the Internet Archive’s Open Library is not fair use and therefore infringes on the copyright of publishers (we had filed an amicus brief in support of the Archive asking them to remember the fundamental purpose of copyright law and the First Amendment, which the Court ignored).
Even though this outcome was always a strong possibility, the final ruling is just incredibly damaging, especially in that it suggests that all libraries are bad for authors and cause them to no longer want to write. I only wish I were joking. Towards the end of the ruling (as we’ll get to below) it says that while having freely lent out books may help the public in the “short-term” the “long-term” consequences would be that “there would be little motivation to produce new works.”
Which is just all kinds of disconnected from reality. There is not a single person in the world who thinks “well, I would have written this book, except that it would be available for people to borrow for free from a library, so I guess I won’t.” Yet a three-judge panel on the Second Circuit concludes exactly that.
As you’ll recall, the Open Library is no different than a regular library. It obtains books legally (either through purchase or donation) and then lends out one-to-one copies of those books. It’s just that it lends out digital copies of them. To keep it identical to a regular library, it makes sure that only one digital copy can be lent out for every physical copy it holds. Courts have already determined that digitizing physical books is fair use, and the Open Library has been tremendously helpful to all sorts of people.
The only ones truly annoyed by this are the publishers, who have always hated libraries and have long seen the shift to digital as an open excuse to effectively harm libraries. With licensed ebooks, the publishers have jacked up the prices so that (unlike with regular books), the library can’t just buy a single copy from any supplier and lend it out. Rather, publishers have made it prohibitively expensive to get ebook licenses, which come with ridiculous restrictions on how frequently books can be lent and more.
It was clear that the only reason all the big publishers sued the Internet Archive was to put another nail in the coffin of libraries and push to keep this ebook licensing scheme grift going. Now the courts have helped.
This ruling from the Second Circuit pushed back a little bit on one of the most overbroad parts of the district court’s ruling. The judge there seemed to have decided how he was going to rule long before oral arguments even happened, as he published his ruling the very same week as the arguments, and he twisted things to favor the publishers on every single issue, even arguing that because the Internet Archive — a non-profit — asks for donations, that makes everything it does a “commercial activity.” However, this ruling is still really problematic, and arguably in significant conflict with other circuits.
The key part of the case is whether or not the Internet Archive’s scanning and lending of books is fair use. The Second Circuit says that it fails the fair use four factors test. On the question of transformative use, the Internet Archive argued that because it was using technology to make lending of books more convenient and efficient, it was clearly transformative. Unfortunately, the court disagrees:
We conclude that IA’s use of the Works is not transformative. IA creates digital copies of the Works and distributes those copies to its users in full, for free. Its digital copies do not provide criticism, commentary, or information about the originals. Nor do they “add[] something new, with a further purpose or different character, altering the [originals] with new expression, meaning or message.” Campbell, 510 U.S. at 579. Instead, IA’s digital books serve the same exact purpose as the originals: making authors’ works available to read. IA’s Free Digital Library is meant to―and does―substitute for the original Works
The panel is not convinced by the massive change in making physical books digitally lendable:
True, there is some “change” involved in the conversion of print books to digital copies. See Infinity Broadcast Corp. v. Kirkwood, 150 F.3d 104, 108 n.2 (2d Cir. 1998) (“[A] change in format . . . is not technically a transformation.”). But the degree of change does not “go beyond that required to qualify as derivative.” Warhol II, 598 U.S. at 529. Unlike transformative works, derivative works “ordinarily are those that re-present the protected aspects of the original work, i.e., its expressive content, converted into an altered form.” Google Books, 804 F.3d at 225. To be transformative, a use must do “something more than repackage or republish the original copyrighted work.” Authors Guild, Inc. v. HathiTrust, 755 F.3d 87, 96 (2d Cir. 2014); see also TVEyes, 883 F.3d at 177 (“[A] use of copyrighted material that merely repackages or republishes the original is unlikely to be deemed a fair use.” (internal quotation marks omitted)). Changing the medium of a work is a derivative use rather than a transformative one.
But, that’s not what a derivative work is? A derivative work is not scanning a book. Scanning a book is making a copy. A derivative work is something like making a movie out of a book. So, this analysis is just fundamentally wrong in saying that this is a derivative work, and thus the rest of the analysis is kinda wonky based on that error.
Tragically, the Court then undermines the important ruling in the Betamax/VCR case that found “time shifting” (recording stuff off your TV) to be fair use, even as it absolutely was repackaging the same content for the same purpose. The Court says that doesn’t matter because it “predated our use of the word ‘transformative’ as a term of art.” But that doesn’t wipe out the case as a binding precedent, even though the Court here acts as though it does.
Sony was decided long before modern technology made it possible for one to view virtually any content at any time. Put in context, the “time-shifting” permitted by the defendant’s tape recorders in Sony was a unique efficiency not widely available at the time, and certainly not offered by the plaintiff-television producer.
So because content is more widely available, this kind of shifting is no longer fair use? How does that make any sense at all?
Then the Court says (incorrectly — as we’ll explain shortly) that there’s really nothing new or different about what the Open Library does:
Here, by contrast, IA’s Free Digital Library offers few efficiencies beyond those already offered by Publishers’ own eBooks.
The problem, though, is that this isn’t quite true. Getting licensed ebooks out from libraries is a difficult and cumbersome practice and requires each library to have a vast ebook collection that none can possibly afford. As this lawsuit went down, more and more authors came out of the woodwork, explaining how research they had done for their books was only possible because of the Open Library and would have been impossible via a traditional library given the lending restrictions and availability restrictions.
The amazing writer Annalee Newitz just posted about how their recent (amazing) book on psyops was only possible by using the Open Library. Researcher/writer Molly White talks about how useful the Open Library has been to researchers and Wikipedia editors, enabling them to access content that simply isn’t readily available via regular libraries. As Jennie Rose Halperin wrote for us last year, people use the Open Library differently than regular libraries. The average user checks out a book for just 30 minutes, suggesting that it’s not actually a replacement for traditional libraries, but a useful tool for people who are doing research, as Annalee and Molly suggested with their examples.
It’s just wrong for the panel of judges to insist it’s a one-to-one replacement for libraries in terms of how it’s used by borrowers. And it’s not like libraries were complaining about this either. Libraries have been generally supportive of the Open Library (my local library has their own online catalog linked to the Open Library).
A separate way in which the Open Library is unique is that it allows writers and researchers and, well, anyone, to link directly to books, which is incredibly valuable. But the Court is not impressed, even though it barely goes into any details. It just says: “That authors of online articles may embed links to IA’s Free Digital Library does not render the Library a significantly transformative secondary use of the Works.”
From there, the Court explores whether or not the Internet Archive’s use here was commercial. The lower court said it was because, ridiculously, the Internet Archive had donation links on library pages. Thankfully, the panel here sees how problematic that would be for every non-profit:
We likewise reject the proposition that IA’s solicitation of donations renders its use of the Works commercial. IA does not solicit donations specifically in connection with its digital book lending services―nearly every page on IA’s website contains a link to “Donate” to IA. App’x 6091. Thus, as with its partnership with BWB, any link between the funds IA receives from donations and its use of the Works is too attenuated to render the use commercial. Swatch, 756 F.3d at 83. To hold otherwise would greatly restrain the ability of nonprofits to seek donations while making fair use of copyrighted works. See ASTM I, 896 F.3d at 449 (rejecting the argument that because free distribution of copyrighted industry standards enhanced a nonprofit organization’s fundraising appeal, the use was commercial).
It also disagrees that this use is commercial because there’s a referral link for people to go and buy a copy of the book, saying that’s “too attenuated”:
Any link between the funds IA receives from its partnership with BWB and its use of the Works is too attenuated for us to characterize the use as commercial on that basis
Even so, the lack of commerciality isn’t enough to protect the project on the first factor analysis, and it goes to the publishers.
On the second factor, the nature of the works, the Internet Archive tried to argue that because it was sharing knowledge from non-fiction books, this one should be neutral, favoring neither party. However, the Court says it doesn’t matter. Books are books, and so this also favors the publishers.
On the third factor, the amount shared, many people think this should obviously go to the publishers, given that it’s the entire books that are lent. But in the Google Books and HathiTrust cases, the court had said that this factor just means if the use is copying more than is necessary. Thus it’s okay to copy an entire work, if that’s what is necessary for the fair use in question. As such, it seems like this should go to the Open Library. But the Court sees it differently:
IA’s use is therefore unlike the copying that took place in HathiTrust and Google Books. In those cases, the defendants scanned copyrighted books to create, among other things, searchable databases that allowed users to view snippets of text pertaining to their search terms, or to learn on which pages and with what frequency their search terms appeared in any given book. HathiTrust, 755 F.3d at 91; Google Books, 804 F.3d at 208–10. Though the defendants copied the books in their entirety, doing so was necessary to achieve a transformative, secondary purpose―the searchable databases
This seems fundamentally incorrect. The panel is really incorporating its analysis on the first factor and substituting it for any real analysis on the third. Does the third factor regarding the amount copied differ if it is or is not transformative? Then if a court gets the first factor wrong, then by definition they will also get the third factor wrong, shifting at least half of the factors on that one point. That can’t be how the test is supposed to work.
Then, finally, we have the “impact on the market” question. This and the first factor tend to be the only ones that really matter in these analyses. The Archive insisted that there was no evidence of any actual harm to publishers from the Open Library. But, the panel here says “eh, we’re pretty sure it must harm publishers.”
Here, not only is IA’s Free Digital Library likely to serve as a substitute for the originals, the undisputed evidence suggests it is intended to achieve that exact result. IA copies the Works in full and makes those copies available to the public in their entirety. It does not do this to achieve a transformative secondary purpose, but to supplant the originals. IA itself advertises its digital books as a free alternative to Publishers’ print and eBooks. See, e.g., App’x 6099 (“[T]he Open Libraries Project ensures [libraries] will not have to buy the same content over and over, simply because of a change in format.” (internal quotation marks omitted)); id. at 6100 (marketing the Free Digital Library as a way for libraries to “get free ebooks”); id. at 6099 (“You Don’t Have to Buy it Again!”). IA offers effectively the same product as Publishers―full copies of the Works―but at no cost to consumers or libraries. At least in this context, it is difficult to compete with free.
But again, this analysis totally misses the underlying difference in scanned books vs. actual ebooks. If there’s a licensed ebook available, the experience for reading is way, way better than just dealing with a scan. Publishers absolutely can compete with free in this example.
I believe that the Court here is taking the Archive’s comment about “will not have to buy” completely out of context. Their argument is that when publishers change formats this offers a way to continue lending without having to repurchase content that they’ve already got. It’s the equivalent of the “time shifting” argument that was fair use in Sony, where all they’re doing is effectively shifting formats of content they already have legal access to, which should be fair use.
Furthermore, the Internet Archive presented even stronger evidence of the lack of harm:
IA’s expert, Dr. Rasmus Jørgensen, examined OverDrive checkouts of the Works before, during, and after the National Emergency Library (IA’s COVID-era program pursuant to which it lifted its one-to-one owned-to-loaned ratio, allowing each digital book to be checked out by up to 10,000 users at a time without regard to the corresponding number of physical books in storage or in partner libraries’ possession) to assess potential harm to Publishers’ eBook licensing market. If IA’s lending were indeed a substitute for Publishers’ library eBook licenses, he theorized, then the shutdown of the NEL and reinstitution of IA’s lending controls should correspond to an increase in demand for the Works on OverDrive (the commercial service used by many libraries who license eBooks). But Dr. Jørgensen found the opposite: OverDrive checkouts of the Works decreased following the shutdown of the NEL in June 2020. From this, IA concludes that its lending “has no effect on demand for borrowing on OverDrive” and, therefore, there is “no reason to imagine, much less assume, that digital lending affects Publishers’ ebook license revenue at all.”
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IA also submits the expert report of Dr. Imke Reimers, who examined the effect of IA’s lending on Amazon sales rankings for print copies of the Works. Dr. Reimers analyzed whether Amazon sales rankings changed when IA (1) first added the Work to its Free Digital Library, (2) launched the NEL, or (3) removed the Work from its Free Digital Library in response to this lawsuit. She found “no statistically significant evidence” that either inclusion in IA’s library or increased lending through the NEL harmed print sales rankings on Amazon, and that removal of the Works from IA’s Free Digital Library actually correlated with a decrease in sales rankings of the Works on Amazon. App’x 4934. From this and Dr. Jørgensen’s report, IA concludes that its Free Digital Library has no effect on Publishers’ markets for print and eBooks.
But the Court dismisses both of these, saying that there could be many reasons for the results that have nothing to do with the changes to the Archive’s lending practices. And it says that the Amazon comparison is meaningless because it was about physical books, not ebooks.
So after complaining that this evidence is weak, it accepts the publishers’ argument that they were harmed even though they presented no actual evidence to support that claim. So, weak evidence is no good for the Internet Archive and the publishers get away with presenting no evidence at all.
Although they do not provide empirical data of their own, Publishers assert that they (1) have suffered market harm due to lost eBook licensing fees and (2) will suffer market harm in the future if IA’s practices were to become widespread.
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We are likewise convinced that “unrestricted and widespread conduct of the sort engaged in by [IA] would result in a substantially adverse impact on the potential market for [the Works in Suit].” Campbell, 510 U.S. at 590 (cleaned up). IA’s Free Digital Library serves as a satisfactory substitute for the original Works. Were we to approve IA’s use of the Works, there would be little reason for consumers or libraries to pay Publishers for content they could access for free on IA’s website. See Warhol I, 11 F.4th at 50. Though Publishers have not provided empirical data to support this observation, we routinely rely on such logical inferences where appropriate in assessing the fourth fair use factor.
Again, this is wrong. I always borrow official ebooks from my library when possible, rather than the Open Library, just because the quality is so much better. I only switch over to the Open Library when such ebooks are not available via my library. But the false assumption, which the Second Circuit buys into, is that there zero difference between the files.
And that’s just fundamentally wrong.
It also seems in pretty direct conflict with what the DC Circuit said last year in the case about whether or not Public Resource could publish standards that have been incorporated into law. In that case, on this fourth factor, they found that just because identical digital copies could be downloaded, it did not mean that the market was negatively impacted. That court noted that the publishers in that case could not show any evidence of harm (indeed, in some cases, their sales had increased).
But this panel brushes that off, saying the burden of proof was on the Archive and it failed, so it doesn’t matter that the publishers offered nothing:
To the extent IA faults Publishers’ lack of empirical data, it forgets the burden of proof. Recall the broader context: Publishers have already established a prima facie case of copyright infringement. The only issue in this appeal is whether IA’s Free Digital Library constitutes a fair use of the Works. “Fair use is an affirmative defense; as such, the ultimate burden of proving that the secondary use does not compete in the relevant market is appropriately borne by the party asserting the defense: the secondary user.” Warhol I, 11 F.4th at 49. While the rightsholder may bear some initial burden of identifying relevant markets, “we have never held that the rightsholder bears the burden of showing actual market harm.” Id. Publishers need not present empirical data of their own in connection with IA’s asserted affirmative defense
Then it goes on to say that the nature of the works is different in that case, but the “nature of the works” is a different factor. So, again, this panel seems to want to keep mixing up the factors.
The final part of the ruling really is a tragic insult to the public. The Internet Archive made a final argument that the library should be allowed to continue given its substantial public benefit. But the Court, ridiculously, claims that the public gets a greater benefit from the library being shut down, and mocks the idea that expanding access to the public is all that important.
Indeed, this next section is going to do tremendous damage to fights for an open internet and against copyright maximalism and how it locks up knowledge. This whole section is basically writing the public benefit out of copyright law, even though benefiting the public is the entire purpose of copyright law. And, on top of it, it argues that libraries disincentivize authors by offering books for free. Which is crazy.
We conclude that both Publishers and the public will benefit if IA’s use is denied.
To be sure, expanding access to knowledge would, in a general sense, benefit the public. But “[a]ny copyright infringer may claim to benefit the public by increasing public access to the copyrighted work.” Harper & Row, 471 U.S. at 569. That does not alone render the infringement lawful. Indeed, the Copyright Act and its empowering constitutional authority reflect a considered judgment that “the Progress of Science and useful Arts” is best promoted by laws that protect authors’ original works and permit authors to set the terms of engagement, at least for a limited time. See Sony, 464 U.S. at 429. Doing so benefits the public “by providing rewards for authorship.” Google Books, 804 F.3d at 212. This monopolistic power is a feature, not a bug, of the Copyright Act.
Within the framework of the Copyright Act, IA’s argument regarding the public interest is shortsighted. True, libraries and consumers may reap some short-term benefits from access to free digital books, but what are the long-term consequences? If authors and creators knew that their original works could be copied and disseminated for free, there would be little motivation to produce new works. And a dearth of creative activity would undoubtedly negatively impact the public. It is this reality that the Copyright Act seeks to avoid.
That bolded line in that paragraph there is exactly what the publishers wanted: a knife in the back of libraries. It’s literally saying “sure, libraries may benefit the public, but if they continue who will continue to write?”
This is completely disconnected from reality. What authors choose not to write because their book is available to be freely borrowed from a library? None. And yet, this is now precedent in the Second Circuit.
It’s a fantasyland claim.
Again, the Open Library works in a manner no different from any regular library from the point of view of a publisher or author. A book is purchased or donated (the publisher and the author therefore get their money) and then it can be lent out. This is literally no different than how an author is compensated from a regular library.
If the bolded comments above are true for the Open Library, they must also be true for a regular library. Yet, I guarantee that not a single author chooses not to write because their books are available in a library to be lent out for free.
This is the part that really destroys me in this ruling. It takes a completely nonsensical claim and insists that it’s true. It’s fantasyland thinking and it effectively puts the knife in the back of libraries.
I imagine the Archive will seek cert at the Supreme Court, but who knows what will happen there. The Supreme Court hasn’t been great on fair use lately. The better answer is that Congress should fix this and make it clear that copyright law blesses this kind of open digital lending, though the copyright industries would throw a shitfit if anyone even dared propose such a bill.
This ruling is a huge loss for public access to knowledge and for libraries.
Filed Under: 2nd circuit, commercial use, controlled digital lending, copyright, fair use, libraries, open library, scanning, transformative use
Companies: hachette, internet archive


Comments on “Second Circuit Says Libraries Disincentivize Authors To Write Books By Lending Them For Free”
Dodged a bullet there, thanks major publishers
It’s good thing libraries are a very recent development and publishers are on the ball in killing them off before they can become too big of a threat to society, I mean can you imagine the utter devastation of creativity and authorship that might have resulted if libraries had been around for say, several thousand years?
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is the usa doomed at this point?
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No. For one thing, this is a second circuit ruling and it is seemingly in conflict with rulings in other circuits (as mentioned in the article), so the matter is likely not over. Also I suspect that by the time the underlying legal matters do get to SCOTUS, there might well be either new judges or different judges.
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thank you i just need to know if there’s a chance this will be thrown out
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I do suspect the underlying question will reach SCOTUS at some point. Probably not with this case though — six of the nine justices have book deals, and I think it’s likely that enough of those six will recuse to cause quorum issues.
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yea
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This supreme court having enough ethics to recuse themselves… aiming for funniest of the week are we?
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Oh, it’s not just Alito/Thomas that would have to recuse. It’s six justices, including many liberal ones.
And Sotomayor has said she’ll recuse herself already.
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So in other words, only the SCOTUS judges that actually care to follow the law, the constitution, and the principles of good jurisprudence, will actually recuse themselves?
That’s… not encouraging.
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I’m saying that if SCOTUS takes it up and doesn’t just deny cert, it will likely lack a quorum to hear a case anyway because the judges that will recuse will be too numerous. This means that the case will stand as-is.
And it’s not meant to be encouraging. I’m saying SCOTUS is very unlikely to hear this case no matter how one looks at it. Any ruling over the underlying circuit split or the interpretation of fair use law will have to wait until another case appears.
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“is the usa doomed at this point?”
Why .. do you want it to be?
this emobot stuff is getting old – fyi
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wow being called a bot now over a question
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better than being called a sea lion 🙂
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That’s not at all what sealioning means.
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Sealion:
“To intrude on a conversation with disingenuous questions in an attempt to engage in unwanted debate as a form of harassment.”
From Macmillandictionary.com: “In an online conversation, repeatedly asking a person questions or making comments which suggest that you are interested in what they are talking about, but are actually intended to annoy them”
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said the ac with no account i wasn’t intending to be annoying
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Why is it important to you for others to have an account when you do not have an account yourself?
Also, the above comment provided info about what sea lioning is and you take offense. lol
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becuase i have a account am just not using it you seem to easily be fooled
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One would be a fool to believe you.
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heh
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“said the ac with no account i wasn’t intending to be annoying”
What an annoying thing to say.
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“What an annoying thing to say.”
it seems that you like to be a parrot
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We can only hope
… I’m starting to think that we seriously need a thorough political scouring of our entire court-system if we’re ever going to seriously rebuild this country. I mean, how many judges are just completely out of step with… everything?
I guess none of the authors on the NYT best sellers list or that Oprah recommends, have any books in any library.
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They also never used a library. Ever. Swear to god.
The vast majority of authors face an issue with obscurity in the vast sea of available works that is the book market. Libraries increase the chance for new readers to find you. It’s only a downside if you’re a publisher who wants to maximize every chance of a sale (while not paying the author who did the majority of the work as much as they deserve).
Libraries also mean poorer readers have greater access to education. And younger writers can learn style and gain inspiration from the works of others. Libraries enable new writers who create new works.
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And that’s exactly why capitalists hate libraries. If libraries didn’t already exist, we wouldn’t have them in this day and age.
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I magine if there were institutions of some sort that made a point of buying books that – unless they are on the NYTimes bestseller list – were unlikely to be found in many bookstores (what dat?) or people were less inclined to spend $30 on. Do you think these would actually boost the overall sales of less prominent books?
I would say the library fills that niche between “those who would buy a book anyway” and “don’t care about the book” – satisfying that community “those who might like to read the book but won’t spend the purchase price”. All while actually buying a large quantity of books. It is a boon to obscure authors or too specialized books.
But again, like music sharing or video downloads, making somethinga vailable in electrnic for – especially download – fails the second half of libraries’ value which the judge overlooks, of actually buying books. What’s missing is a form of Spotify model “for a dollar, i’ll read that book”. (although for Spotify, it would be for $0.0001 read this book”?)
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Technically there are ebook licensing options, but they’re expensive subscriptions for libraries vs the doctrine of first sale for physical books. Amazon’s Kindle Unlimited is a commercial version of this. Authors get paid based on how many pages are read rather than just a reader checking out a whole book.
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That’s called SPEC. Not up to the read4r.
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Spec is hoping a publisher picks up your finished, unsolicited work. I didn’t refer to that at all.
this is just getting me pessimistic over time more and more i feel like we are going into doomsday and unless something good happens we are screwed
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Based on your use of punctuation I think you are the same commenter as the one I just responded to.
I understand where you are coming from, but may I suggest not trying to get consolation or emotional support in a blog comments section?
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it’s just that i can’t say much without being called a spammer and i feel like i have to be aggressive becuase being nice to people just doesn’t work
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You get called a “spammer” because you keep asking the same kinds of questions over and over (e.g., “what do you think will happen?”, “does [x] stand a chance of passing”) and expect us to do your emotional and intellectual labor for you. One day, you will need to stand up for yourself and your own beliefs without relying on (or begging for) other people to hand you answers. Stop asking us to validate your feelings and form your opinions; start making up your own damn mind.
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becuase the internet is not always helpful
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Then stop relying on This God Damned Internet to make up your mind for you. Maybe go to a library and read a few books instead.
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I would but many of the books that I want to read have been banned from my local library.
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I need a shirt that says “This God Damned Internet” stylized like an ivy league school coat of arms.
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That’s because you are spamming the comments section so much the site owner has to update his moderation practices to take into account your spam. On top of the Ruspublican Internet Harassment Squad this site already has to “tolerate”.
You really should not be making demands of people when you don’t even want to stop flooding the comments with your inane dribble.
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said the ac with no account whatsoever
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Shut the fuck up, theroadhome.
You’re the one responsible for the enhanced moderation measures and honestly, we should thank your weird spammy behavior for it.
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guess what trump the criminal got what he wanted are you happy now?
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If all you do is whine, deflect and not take responsibility of your own behavior, theroadhome, it doesn’t matter what you say or do.
And honestly, your latest attempt at dodging responsibility speaks more to everyone involved than whatever it is you wanna say.
On the Internet, no one gives a shit about who you are or your problems. Only what you do and how you present yourself.
And this ain’t 4chan, either, where the spam eventually goes away.
Take the fucking advice and hint.
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I concur. I suggest taking your mind off of the situation and do something else. Something that makes you happy. Techdirt is the very last place you want to take comfort and solace. It’s okay to be concerned, or scared, and be disappointed, what isn’t is wallowing in doom and despair. It’s not good for the soul.
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my soul maybe it can be saved after all?
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If you have one, it’s probably fine.
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sorry i am just having stress issues about all this so sorry if i sound like a bot
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i confess that i spam horribly am just tired of this hell we are in it just makes me not myself i don’t feel like my self at all maybe i am being annoying on purpose to make my self look bad to hurt myself maybe i do hate myself for the things i did wrong i just feel useless wasting away instead of being happy and joyful
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Seek professional help
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We are not your therapists, your parents, your teachers, or your clergy. We are a bunch of meatbags with all our own worries, fears, hopes, and dreams—just like you. But unlike you, we find ways to deal with our issues that don’t involve spamming the comments section of Techdirt with our bullshit and begging everyone else to make us feel better.
Every problem you have, regardless of who or what caused it, is your responsibility. We’re not going to solve your problems for you and you’re a bastard for demanding we take that burden off your shoulders while you throw a pity party for yourself. Go get your shit together yourself or go find a therapist who can help you get your shit together, but for the love of all things divine, stop asking us to get your shit together for you.
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The Internet Archive is still here, but I won’t lying that I’m deeply concerned about its fate in the future. It isn’t the destruction of the library of Alexandria levels of bad, at least not yet, but it definitely felt like a small section of the library got torn apart. Nevertheless of the size, a devastating loss either way.
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I realized a while back that I’ve surely seen Wikipedia articles cite tweets now and then, for announcements by public figures and such. I sure hope those were all backed up … on the Internet Archive … Oh.
Let’s see. The English-language Wikipedia currently has 6,878,867 articles. Roughly 4.5 million of those cite a website using the “cite web” template, and about 1.5 million use the “cite news” one; there’s probably some overlap there which I don’t know how to quantify. Getting an average figure for webpage size is … wow, there’s a lot of SEO schlock in searches for that. Let’s call it 2.5 megabytes. While there are pages with hundreds of references, I’d bet there’s a pretty long tail for that distribution. Maybe, in very rough figures, we’re talking about 50 million references, for a total storage size in the hundreds-of-terabytes range?
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The Internet Archive isn’t going to burn down any time soon, you mean.
However, the lack of funding and this case will ensure that things will get worse.
It appears that the ancient Greeks and modern CEOs have one thing in common: They don’t care about preserving the past for the future.
Slowly, gently; this is how culture is destroyed. Aided by legal cases like this. All for the Fucking Line.
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Honestly, this isn’t surprising.
That said, they do accept donations, so…
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You’re a fair bit mistaken on that, the ancient greeks did care about that. It’s literally why we have so much of their mythology and history.
They wrote it down themselves. This is in stark contrast to the celtic and nordic mythologies. A good chunk of what we have (1 of 2 major books) from the latter was written down by one man, centuries after the nordics were christianized, as part of a failed political plot.
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And others cared enough to make copies of what was in the shrine-library at Alexandria dedicated to the Muses.
However, that library, like all others, would be subject to the whims of whoever gave it the funding. In that particular case, the library was stocked with plays, poetry and maybe a bit of history at best. And it would still be up to the whims of the patron as to what gets preserved.
Writers and historians do muorn the minor loss of Alexandria’s shrine library. We’re just damn lucky the medieval Muslim world preserved much of what wasn’t inside that shrine-library.
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The world will keep spinning regardless of how much you whine and moan and despair about the state of humanity. We’re not here to be your emotional support animals and we’re not here to make up your mind for you. Only you can decide how to feel about the world and—more importantly—how to act on those feelings. If all you want to do is complain and resign yourself to helplessness, you go ahead and do that, but that won’t improve your life, your community, or society in general. Defeatism is self-perpetuating; optimism requires putting in some actual work.
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becuase i wanted to know if meidas touch is trust worthy enough as a source for this site in case if a article is being made
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i.e. you were spamming worthless noise.
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no wonder this site has lack of answers can’t even form a answer without saying how worthless the question is
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yer beggin fer clicks
bug out bozo
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you’re begging for
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sighs atleast try to spell right if you’re ever gonna insult me
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You missed a space between “at” and “least”.
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but i spell the words right
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You’re the one spamming the comments section of a respected opinion blog on tech and policy without regard for everyone.
And you have the gall to throw a temper tantrum over being selfish.
And drop the “just asking questions” nonsense. You’re making yourself look worse than you already are.
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said the ac no life
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https://meidasnews.com/news/donald-trump-will-not-face-sentencing-before-the-november-election
so much for justice
Its true!!!
We haven’t had a new book from Christie or Doyle since their works finally fell out of copyright hundreds of years after their deaths.
Copyright, making us all really fscking stupid.
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You can say “fuck” here.
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That Anonymous Coward acting like the maximalists by ignoring the facts. Agatha Christie only died in 1976, so her works are still in fact under copyright, whereas Arthur Conan Doyle died in 1930, less than one century ago.
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If I gave you a straw would you go and suck the joy out of someone else’s life?
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I get that sarcasm is hard to detect in writing, but man…
Would you like clown shoes with your clown act?
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Asked AC of themself as they admired their Gacy makeup in the mirror.
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This is US copyright law, and some of her works are more than 95 years old, and those works are in the public domain in the US.
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Yes, some of Christie’s works are in the Public Domain, not all of them. Thanks for making my point for me.
Copyright law needs to die so that society can advance; it will be on people willing to sacrifice their own freedom to do that
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Or at the very least, have a copyright regime that benefits the public instead of the greedy gatekeepers.
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Or, to fit the current reality, forbid contract terms whereby authors do all the work, including promotion of their writings, while publishing companies pay them only royalties in return.
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At this point, more and more things will have to be written in blood, and I am sadly not talking Marxist Revolution like I would usually do.
I am sick of hearing about creatives “evading taxes” in Japan because they don’t believe they made enough money to be taxable, for example…
I suspect that I have lost more money out of a hole in my jacket pocket than publishers did because of the Internet Archive.
Ya know .. I was considering writing a book, but then these bozos started banning books!
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Don’t worry, you can still write a book. Hell, it can even include all the violence and sex that you want. It just has to be called “The Bible”.
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Have you considered ghostwriting for the Ruspublicans? Or writing their propaganda? /s
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I doubt the gop would like my writing.
A bill that blessed digital lending that is actually controlled — the library has to own a copy, lending must be one-to-one, etc. — would answer the good-faith criticisms of those authors who weren’t on the IA’s side. Heck, let’s go for it.
What would you think if an author told you they would have written a book, but they wouldn’t bother because it would fall out of copyright only 50 years after their death instead of 70?
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I’d think they must’ve suffered some blunt force trauma to the head.
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Traditional publishers, on the other hand…
Since they never make a dime off of works which areno longer, or never were, under copyright. @@
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Good riddance.
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You can stop right here. If someone would have written a book only because of copyright, then they aren’t an author. They’re a hack.
Authors write because they have a drive to write. If they’re disincentivized by an already excessive, artificial legal protection then they’re probably a no-talent fool. If they’re only motivated by money, then their work is likely shit quality. Look at all the self-promoting bro-dudes who write bullshit advice books like Andrew Tate. The world is better off if those people never “write” a book.
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Maybe a Canadian could answer that, which was the case until very recently.
Scanning a book is making a copy
It is making a digital copy. A transformative work
As someone currently writing a book...
…one of my first acts on completion will be to give a digital copy to the Internet Archive — along with unlimited, irrevocable rights for them to do whatever they want with it.
I’ve invested years of my life in this. I’ve done a huge amount of research. I’ve written and re-written, I’ve rearranged and edited, I’ve laid awake in bed at night worrying about whether I could do better. It’ll probably be the only book I ever write, I’d like it to be as good as I can make it.
And I desperately hope it’ll be read.
I don’t really care about making money from it – yes, that’d be nice, and I could use it, but it’s far less important to me than creating something of value that lasts, something that’s appreciated and enjoyed. I might not do that: I might create a bad book that really isn’t worth reading. But if I manage to do what I hope to do, then I want everyone to be able to read it whenever they want.
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i’d give it a read if i am around when it’s released.
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You know what? All my original music and public domain covers (and covers of songs that are creative commons and allow derivatives) are uploaded to the internet archive. I do this in addition to putting my works for sale on bandcamp as well as selling them on iTunes and AmazonMP3 as well as streaming services such as Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer, Tidal, etc. Why do I do this? Because I want even poor people to access my music, and thinking I could prevent copying on computers is just as foolish as preventing people from having sex, so I might as well give it away for free.
Huh. Learn something new every day. I was dead certain that Amazon sold eBooks for the Kindle (prominently labeled “Kindle edition”).
Those must be some fancy print format I’ve never heard of.
Asking for donations = Commercial. Dogshit excuse.
I can’t remember exactly but something like this happened with several news/broadcasters sued someone in the US and it failed the fair use test. One of them was because he aired it outside the state that the news content is exclusive to (state, as in one of the fifty states in the US). One part incorrectly stated it was commercial despite not requiring payment to access the content that news said it was illegal.
It is very disgusting to lower the bar on what’s commercial to asking for donations. Do these people not know what’s a donation in which a user voluntarily pays money? This now throws all nonprofits under the bus claiming that they’re commercial.
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All politicians and political orgs (PACs, whatever) are now commercial entities.
(Yeah, sure, a lot of them always were in mre real ways, but never mind.)
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Just ask to see your congresscritter naked, in chains, on a block with the auctioneer spieling, a la the Good Ol’ Days of chattel slavery and see how many “donations” they get … on the other hand, it may improve the genetic pool markedly, if the “donors” in “shock and awe” commit suicide en masse.
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You say that like they wouldn’t get some OnlyFans dosh if they tried that. Never underestimate the spending power of perverts.
If publishers do manage to kill off libraries, they will be out of business within a generation.
Most of their customers are people who love to read, and learning to enjoy reading takes lots of practice at reading. Having to buy books to get that practice is prohibitively expensive. For most people, their love of reading came from the library, not the bookstore. If books become pay to read, only the insanely rich will be able to afford to read much, and that market is way too small to support a publishing industry.
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Had I the credits to do so, I would make your comment the First Word just for your stating that one simple truth.
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I can verify that. If I had not had a copy of the Lord of the Rings in the high school library, I would never have read it thus I would never have bought it so I could keep on re-reading it without bothering the librarians. If I had not found Greg Bear’s Songs of Earth and Power one day in the local Public Library and stopped to browse, I would never have borrowed it, loved the story, and bought it so I could keep re-reading it. These judges of the Second Circuit are detached from reality. I wouldn’t trust them to find their backsides in a room full of mirrors, even with a doctor and team of nurses to hold their hands.
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Of course you won’t get your love of books from a bookshop where the proprietor snarls at you that she’s not running a library, so make your pick, buy it and get out. Some bookshops allow you to find a seat and sit and read for as long as the shop’s open; others are bus terminals where you’re not supposed to stay for any longer than the proprietor can stand your presence. Whereas in my experience, a library’s designed for people to wander in, pick up a book, and sit down and read.
They gonna shoot me when i lend or borrow a book in the Dark World?
Just think of the authors!
Do you think John Steinbeck would have bothered to write “Grapes of Wrath” if someone would have told him that the book would end up in libraries and schools and millions would read it without paying his publisher?
Or would “To Kill a Mockingbird”, the only actual book by Harper Lee (let’s not count the unmature prequel “Go Set a Watchman” that was just flushed out by her publisher shortly before her demise) have been published if someone told her that millions would read it, in schools and libraries and otherwise and it would change the U.S. for the better but leave only a moderate impact on her bank account, the only motivation an author could possibly have?
Or do you think a Second Circuit judge would pen a verdict if there was no bunch of money they could make from it in the followup?
You don’t need to answer that one. But it’s clear that they cannot fathom other motivations.
Thank Eris for Libgen
When libraries are outlawed, only outlaws will run libraries.
Wait a minute, isn’t showing actual harm one of the requirements of having standing? I mean, I know that you can, in limited cases, sue for declaratory judgment based on a high likelihood of harm, but getting a judge to sign off on that is usually difficult. How is it that these publishers have standing if they can’t actually show they were harmed? Oh right, the Holy Copyright :/
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Yes, the law is wrong: how dare people ask to be paid for work consumed voluntarily.
Don’t like it? Don’t steal it.
Oh wait the law is wrong not the thieves. Forgot where I am.
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Well, if we can’t even own anything, it’s not considered stealing.
So technically, there are no criminals here.
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Sounds like a MAGA argument for election fraud.
Yeah, the silly laws are wrong and don’t apply even when they do.
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It’s actually a clever slave argument.
If we can’t own anything, then technically, we’re also property.
Property can’t commit crimes. And we’re on the level of books, food and the slaveowner’s plantation.
It’s the property owner’s responsiblilty to ensure that his property is taken care of and functioning properly. Afterall, property can’t care for themselves…
It isn’t a crime to do the master’s work for him.
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They were paid. A copy of the book was purchased.
Good Lord, how can so many so well (and expensively) educated people be so fundamentally stupid?
Sure makes you think every one of these judges at both levels should be investigated to find out who they have ever gotten favors, donations and “gifts” from.
If anything in this ruling is true then Libraries have been operating illegally for hundreds of years and no one has ever written a new book since the founding of this country because no one would ever write a new book because of libraries giving access to knowledge.
Access to knowledge shouldn’t be gate kept. I have grown to look back on my youth and the great local and school libraries I had access to where I grew up. The library was where I first had any reliable access to the Internet and so many things that influenced my growth.
Fuck these people.
LibGen
When all else fails, The Pirate Bay and Library Genesis will always be with us. It is ironic but predictable how big media insists on driving people to such sites. It is ironic and mildly surprising that judges would similarly throw their integrity out the window.
The judges here know that their arguments against IA apply equally to all libraries, include school, university, and law school libraries. There’s zero chance they failed to understand that they just determined, after millennia of proof otherwise, that libraries deter writing. Meh.
Money-grubbing middlemen. “We don’t make the things you buy. We make the things you buy more expensive.”
Of course, outside the US a number of countries have schemes that pay authors royalties for library checkouts. In the UK, it’s called the “public lending right”. So it’s not intrinsic to the idea of a library that authors have to lose out (as silly an idea as that is).
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"Libraries Disincentivize Authors To Write Books By Lending Them For Free"
Tom the Dancing Bug (Ruben Bolling) covered this matter brilliantly, twenty-four years ago
https://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug/2000/08/26
Library of Congress
The reasoning in the Second Circuit’s decision seems also to have absurd consequences for government entities that archive copyrighted material. Should even the Library of Congress be shut down and the US Copyright Office established as a separate agency?
The NSA surely has a copy of the Internet Archive. Its 32,000 or so employees are thus ‘disincentivized’ to purchase copyrighted works. And there may be other government agencies at many levels that also archive copyrighted material. Should they also be forced to erase their archives?
Apart from the foolishness of the Second Circuit’s decision: given the importance of the Internet Archive and Wayback Machine, is there a good argument for making it part of the Library of Congress? Could Congress do so without running afoul of the Second Circuit’s decision? Or, assuming that the Archive and Machine survive, should they remain independent?