Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt

from the popular-sentiment dept

This week, our first place winner on the insightful side is a statement about a particular presence in the comment sections that most of you are surely familiar with. And a lot of people seem to agree! It comes from an anonymous account, but is signed by sumgai (and later confirmed with a logged in comment). Here it is:

To one and all;

I’m going to sound like a butt-hurt whinger, but hear me out, OK?

For the past two months or so, M. M. Bennett has been a constant thorn in our side, and I’ve let that ride. It’s Mike’s show, and I didn’t pay any piper, so I don’t have to dance, and all that jizz-jazz.

But it’s becoming increasingly obvious that no matter the topic, Bennett is able to drive the majority of readers (both members and AC’s) to distraction. And I don’t like it.

Over the past two weeks alone, Bennett has posted more than 300 times (I counted (yeah, I’ve got nothing better to do)), and has been flagged for absolutely every one of them. While that percentage of flagging would be a good thing, in a rational world, it’s not only not affecting him, it has dramatically increased his output… and that’s a bad thing.

Why? Because he inflames nearly everyone, me included, and we get to the point I’ve made repeatedly in the past, and others have made recently. To wit: The answer to speech in NOT more speech, it’s ostricism (an ancient Athenian principle of protecting the community). As with wild animals, if you feed them, they will continue to bedevil you. If you don’t feed them, they will seek more fruitful hunting grounds.

Because this place has developed the habit of feeding the trolls, I can no longer participate in any discussion wherein Bennett is to be found. To add insult to injury, I also counted the number rebuttals that he engendered while demonstrating his inability to recognize reality: nearly 3500 replies. Yes, I’m including some of his own material, but I counted everything from where he first posts – all replies thereto can be summed up to a staggering conclusion – Bennett is anathema to rational discussion on TechDirt.

Mike, I’m not asking for special favors here, and in fact I’m not asking for anything at all. I’m only stating that my remaining lifetime is too short to keep engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed child, for I will surely die before he grows up to become a contributing member of society.

To the rest of you, carry on, and I’ll continue to copy the mail, so to speak.

sumgai

Those are indeed some pretty striking numbers. And, as if to confirm the point, our second place winner on the insightful side is Toom1275 with a response to you-know-who:

Having to show proof is only considered a problem by those like Matthew who don’t have any.

For editor’s choice on the insightful side, we move away from that for a little while and start with a comment from That One Guy about Matt Taibbi interpreting the study of misinformation as evidence that of engaging in it:

Ah the wonders of confirmation bias.

‘The government paid groups to study misinformation and propaganda therefore those groups must have been the ones engaging in both at their behest’ is kinda like saying that if the government pays a group to study infectious diseases and how to combat them that group must be responsible for spreading diseases.

Next, it’s an anonymous comment about the attack on the Internet Archive:

What the studios, labels, and publisher are really fighting for is to reestablish their almost total control over what gets published. The Internet archive is one of the centers for self published works, and allows authors and other creators to attract fans who send them money without the publishers seeing the larger cut of that money. To that extent, the legacy industry needs to make significant changes to compete with free, such as selling editorial services without requiring copyright assignment.

Over on the funny side, our first place winner drags us right back to the topic we started on, with Thad replying to a joke about Matthew Bennet possibly being Matt Taibbi:

Nah.

Matt Taibbi is a competent writer.

In second place, it’s Thad again, this time with a comment about the Congressional Rep who discovered he has no legal remedy after the FBI illegally searched his info:

Well that’s unfortunate. If only he were part of some kind of body that had the power to change the law.

For editor’s choice on the funny side, we start out with an anonymous comment about news companies demanding link taxes on social media:

My family once owned a very profitable business making horse harness and related equipment. The arrival of the automobile largely destroyed that business. I want a tax on the sale of every automobile to reimburse my family for the lost income caused by automobiles.

Finally, it’s Cat_Daddy with (fittingly) a bit of a dad joke. I think it could use some work, but it’s a solid foundation:

Here’s a joke…

Why is DeSantis afraid of being disturbed in the middle of the night?

Because he’s afraid of being woke.

That’s all for this week, folks!


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terop (profile) says:

I want a tax on the sale of every automobile to reimburse my family for the lost income caused by automobiles.

There is even better plan. First, get govt accept that automobile usage is illegal violation of horse rights. Second, send settlement letter to anyone who uses automobile. Third, sue any and all automobile users who do not pay settlement money. Fourth, make gasoline illegal for its lead-content. Fifth, make sure only arabs are benefiting remaining gasoline sales.

terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

he legitimately thinks trolling a single site is an effective way to get the government of Finland to give him money.

My evil masterplan to this direction is actually working. I just today got paperwork that says about the following: “Decision. It is accepted rehabilisation workactivity service 27.3.2023 forward. Service applied from that day forward.”

I.e. govt is giving me money for no good reason.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

The quote… doesn’t mean a single thing without the context that the paperwork was sent to you for. But if it was sent for rehabilitation, and you’re getting service for it, that doesn’t suggest the government is giving you free money. Maybe it’s a sign you’re getting free mental healthcare as a part of the Finnish welfare system.

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terop (profile) says:

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And it’s also no wonder the same strategy has led to no one using Meshpage.

The meshpage problem could be caused by the fact that the web page had no real purpose. But worry not. I’ve just fixed the problem. Now every 3d model that I have available in meshpage.org, has a “zip” button that allows downloading the 3d model with the 3d engine and it’s ready to be put to your own web page.

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terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

The more pro-copyright fanatics act like maniacs, the easier it is for people to dismiss their claims.

copyright folks have one important thing different from all your ordinary trolls. We actually create copyrighted works. So our technologies are in good shape by the time you hear our trolling. And technology onslaught is needed to progress to the next level as a society.

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terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Given the present world situation, progress in any category is highly doubtful.

We today learned that some vantaa energy company is shipping tons and tons of trash from italy to finland. Supposedly finland’s exports are in such horrible state that they don’t have enough money to buy finetuned products from europe, so the export return ships will need to transport italy’s trash to finland for some vantaa energy company to burn it for heating in the winter. The energy company absolutely needs trash since russia’s gas shipments are blocked by EU rules.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

I mean, not that your remark has anything to do with the comment you responded to, but on this point:

Supposedly finland’s exports are in such horrible state that they don’t have enough money to buy finetuned products from europe

Yeah, Meshpage is not going to be the savior to Finland’s economy, chumley. If your government can’t ship things out or afford to buy things in, they’re not going to spend money on Meshpage either. No amount of Techdirt trolling or murder in the name of copyright is going to help you there.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

Anyone who’s been paying attention to economies the world over know that the economy in Europe is not, by any kind of definition, “saved”, especially when you consider how many bailouts and rescue packages had to be given to places like Greece, Spain and Italy over the years.

The 150 million gadget claim made by you predates the state of the economy by several decades, and considering that the population of Europe stands at over 700 million, it’s heavily doubtful that giving only 1 in 5 of those people a gadget is going to save anything.

But then copyright fanatics like you were always absolutely dogshit at math.

terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:10

it’s heavily doubtful that giving only 1 in 5 of those people a gadget is going to save anything.

Sure, but you cannot demand more from any single person or single company. It’s a group effort to get the world working the correct way, and every small bit will help in the task.

So, here’s my latest horror:
https://tpgames.org/mine.png

There you can see the promised minecraft mansions.

(if you had tested builder properly, you would have noticed that it doesn’t yet implement minecraft mansion feature… Now that it arrives, it’s slightly late, since I don’t any longer need information about what exactly is wrong with my mansion implementation)

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Sure, but you cannot demand more from any single person or single company.

You regularly demand that every single person does more to avoid copyright infringement that the RIAA has ever done in two decades.

The only reason you’re complaining about it now is because you’re the one being demanded from and you’re too much of a lazy hypocrite to put out.

There you can see the promised minecraft mansions.

You should probably put that on YouTube and have Wisp, Dream, Jagster and other actual Minecraft creators roast you for the shit you think is a mansion.

terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Your “going next level” is tech that’s so inefficient it makes Adobe Fireworks 1.0 look like Stable Diffusion.

inefficient? We have just managed to improve the performance by factor of 300. If the damn profiler cannot find anything to improve/it just displays the standard jpeg and png decoders as the most expensive operations, I don’t think you should complain about inefficiency.

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terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

no one wants to use a product made by a person who hates every person alive (including himself)

So when the company forgot to mention that I created the gadgets, they managed to sell 150 million units of them. But then when the customers realize who created the product, they’re all going to reject the product and run to the nearest telephone booth?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

Unfortunately, that one was also built by me

Yeah, no, everyone calls bullshit on that. Your sphere of influence extended to one script used on Nokia phones, and when Nokia’s presence in the personal smartphone market died, so did yours.

It’s very safe to say that you have no involvement in current smartphone development, otherwise you’d have more recent examples to cite instead of whining about work you did a couple decades ago.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

No one’s going to pay for work that takes 15 years to get done.

Hell, even your heroes the RIAA/MPAA wouldn’t pay for music or movies that take 15 years to produce.

You pick out the worst possible things to brag over, which is why you’re the prime example of what happens when copyright corrupts and renders someone a babbling idiot like yourself.

terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:12

No one’s going to pay for work that takes 15 years to get done.

This is why the world is in such awful horror. When the world didn’t buy russia’s exports, they decided to use their skills and ingeniety to build weapons and bullets. When their army was bored for 50 years, the politicians had huge pressure to give them something useful to do, and thus came the war on ukraine.

It’s all caused by your policies of not purchasing the effort that whole countries are producing. All kinds of middlemen take the money and it doesn’t flow to the ordinary people who do the actual work. Then you’re going to see wars and misery simply because you didn’t understand how world’s economy works and failed to pass along the money to the next guy who needs it.

terop (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:12

You pick out the worst possible things to brag over, which is why you’re the prime example of what happens when copyright corrupts and renders someone a babbling idiot like yourself.

That’s why I’m significantly more powerful than any of the techdirt’s regulars. The real problem is that you simply do not know what exactly it is that took 15 years to create. You think it’s some kind of script. It’s slightly more complicated. It’s the phone user interface.

Even after 15 years of development, markets reaction to the user interface features have been “meh” and “we’ve seen this same thing before” and “it looks boring” and “its suitable for old people”…

But maybe that’s how it was designed.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

This is why the world is in such awful horror. When the world didn’t buy russia’s exports, they decided to use their skills and ingeniety to build weapons and bullets. When their army was bored for 50 years, the politicians had huge pressure to give them something useful to do, and thus came the war on ukraine.

I’m just going to use this as another proof that you claimed the Ukraine-Russian war was waged as a result of copyright, despite your claims that you have never justified murder in the name of copyright.

But to actually address the points you think make sense… it’s very evident the Russian army hasn’t built weapons and bullets with their ingenuity. It’s no secret at this point that the tech the Russian army has to use is woefully out of date. Whatever you think that Russia was doing for 50 years when you allege that no one was buying their shit, it wasn’t improving the capability of their army. Case in point, Ukraine’s held them back instead of folding over like a paper airplane.

And you do realize that Europe buys – or used to buy – a lot of natural gas from Russia, right? This idea that no money has been flowing into Russia to discourage them from warmongering is a distinctly, patently ridiculous claim.

It’s all caused by your policies of not purchasing the effort that whole countries are producing. All kinds of middlemen take the money and it doesn’t flow to the ordinary people who do the actual work. Then you’re going to see wars and misery

You keep blaming paying middlemen, but you personally worship middlemen in the form of the RIAA and MPAA. They take a huge portion of money that’s supposed to go to content creators. And yet no wars have occurred in their name.

The real problem is that you simply do not know what exactly it is that took 15 years to create. You think it’s some kind of script. It’s slightly more complicated. It’s the phone user interface.

And it happened decades ago. None of that is important to your main issue that nobody will pay you money for a Meshpage subscription. But that’s the thing – how long you took to develop something has very little meaning for how much it should cost someone to buy. James Cameron’s Avatar 2 took almost 15 years to come out because he was waiting for the right tech for water effects, and yet it didn’t make movie tickets more expensive by that fact alone.

But maybe that’s how it was designed.

You disagree with critics. Big whoop. That’s not a convincing argument for them to give you money.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:15

Instead scams and criminal activity seems to be the only profit-making activity worth pursuing.

Which explains why you’re here, but because some of us actually live in the real world, here’s a primer on why even that won’t work out for you. Scamming is incredibly inefficient for achieving the sort of quality of life that most American and European middle class folk would aspire to, because you need a large pool of useful idiots to help you scam, and you need to keep them constantly poor so that they’ve no other options. Then you need a corrupt law enforcement that’s willing to let you run away every time someone like Pleasant Green or Pierogi finds you out and forces you to shut down your call centers. You… are not going to get that sort of shit in Finland.

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Anonymous Coward says:

From the people who say they support free speech:

To wit: The answer to speech in NOT more speech, it’s ostricism [sic]

You don’t support free speech, you only support speech you like. You merely tolerate others’ speech until you get frustrated that you can’t rebut an argument; then you go straight to silencing people.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Woke ideologues like to deliberately confuse the right to free speech with free speech itself, so that they can hide behind the legalism of the 1st Amendment when platforms censor the speech they hate. No one has the right to free speech on someone else’s privately owned platform. But in a society that has freedom of speech as a foundational value, large privately-owned generic speech platforms should not silence opinions based on their viewpoints even though they are allowed to do so.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

That xkcd talks about the right to free speech, and it’s important to distinguish between the right to speak freely and the ability to speak freely. Private platform owners have the free speech right to censor speech on their own platforms, but in doing so, they impede the free speech of the people they are silencing, especially when the platforms in question are the large generic ones used ubiquitously.

The xkcd also says that “people don’t have to listen” to speech they don’t like. That’s true to only a limited extent. If someone is speaking in a place where they have the ability to speak, someone who does not want to listen does not have the right to silence or eject the speaker (as the “students” at Stanford Law ought to have known, had they been law students instead of woke ideologues).

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sumgai (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Mixing up your rights

… it’s important to distinguish between the right to speak freely and the ability to speak freely.

No, no it’s not important to distinguish those two things, because they are the same. I’ll break it down for you.

Unless you were born with some particular kind of mental disablement, then you already have the ability to speak, period. Not a right, a physical ability. Which I suppose you could equate that to a Gawd-given right, but that’d be on you.

Now I know what you’re thinking, that what I just said is not the same thing as a Constitutional right. Wrong. Because your Founding Fathers realized that just because you have the ability to speak, that doesn’t mean that you can speak freely, given the state of any particular government you might care to name. And here, I’m including royalty throughout history, very, very seldom governing a truly benighted and open society. Oppressive barely begins to cover what kings and queens have done to their populace over the centuries.

So what happened in 1787? Well, it shouldn’t be hard to discern that our Founders did NOT enshrine the right to speak freely, they instead constrained the government from trying to restrict that ability to speak in any way, shape or form. Note that only the government is mentioned, and nowhere do you see anything resembling mention of people, private parties, companies, corporations, what-have-you. Nada. Zilch. Bupkis.

Now, if I’ve not explained it in terms that are simple enough for you, then either I need to take some remedial teaching courses, or perhaps you need to stop believing that the first conspiracy theory foisted upon you by an ill-intentioned actor absolutely MUST be true, and any debunking of that theory is just so much dissonance in your life. And remember, a conspiracy theory requires that two or more people are conspiring to foist their alleged beliefs on other people. We use that word ‘conspire’ to give a negative connotation to someone’s beliefs where there is no rational discussion taking place – it’s all emotion on the conspiracist’s side, alternate facts optional.

So our question to you is easily articulated: Why do you insist that private persons/companies/websites must adhere to those same constraints as were placed on the government, and only on the government, at the outset of our country?

It’s an easy question to answer. If it weren’t, then why are so many Techdirt readers asking it of you?

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

It is an easy question to answer. The reason so many TechDirt readers willfully cannot understand the answer is because they want censorship of ideas they hate, the large generic speech platforms used to give it to them to some extent, and now that censorship has been taken away from them by Musk and Twitter.

Free speech is a foundational value of our society. The ability to speak freely allows dissent from prevailing ideas, and is enormously useful when it turns out the prevailing ideas are wrong. It is also something that people just want; who wants to be told that they can’t say something about what they believe?

Because the ability to speak freely is a foundational value of our society, large generic speech platforms should not silence opinions based on their viewpoint, because that dishonors free speech. Just because the platforms have the right to censor speech does not make it right to censor speech.

I don’t insist that private platforms must adhere to the same free speech constraints as are laid upon the government (indeed, that’s a bad idea, because moderation for spam, topicality, and decorum is a good thing), I claim that large generic private speech platforms should adhere to the foundational value of free speech and not censor opinions based on viewpoint.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Free speech is a foundational value of our society

Which is trumped by respecting other peoples wishes while on their property. Every time you bring this up you are essentially saying “I don’t give a shit about other peoples rights and wishes as long as I can blather whatever I want wherever I want.”

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

Because free speech is a foundational value of the society in which the platform is embedded, and large generic speech platforms should not silence opinions based on viewpoint. The place for friendly conversation away from dissent on hot-button issues is in moderated topic-specific subgroups.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

The place for friendly conversation away from dissent on hot-button issues is in moderated topic-specific subgroups.

You know why Twitter became as popular as it did??

Because it moderated assholes like you because you are not the kind of user that attracts other users. You are toxic and poisonous to other Twitter users and Twitter’s advertisers. If Twitter wants to make their site attractive to the largest set of users and advertisers, then it will have to moderate assholes like you such that you don’t stink up the place and drive away users and advertisers.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:12

An alternative view is that the Twitter moderators were themselves woke ideologues and they censored viewpoints they did not like, and because you agree with that censorship, you fabricate excuses to make this censorship seem anodyne.

Even if you are right, a free society is poorly served by censoring dissent against prevailing views, because sometimes those views are wrong. Free speech is not primarily intended to make people happy. Free speech is intended as a way to have truths be discovered more quickly than they otherwise would. Indeed, the adage that “the truth hurts” should alert you to the fact that unhappiness is often a result of people discovering that their cherished beliefs are false.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:14

Well, there is the term “happy warrior”; not everyone who fights is grim about it. There is actually joy in telling people who are obviously, disastrously wrong just how wrong they are, at least for some people.

In any case, my state of happiness does not affect whether things are true or false.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

censoring dissent against prevailing views, because sometimes those views are wrong

How many times do I have to tell you fuckers… Twitter will ban assholes like you not because of your viewpoint, but because of your behavior.

You act like a fucking asshole and constantly shit all over the comment section here. Considering your behavior here, I can totally understand why Twitter would want to ban you from their service… because you act like a fucking asshole.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

Large generic speech platforms

There are no such thing.

should not wish to silence opinions based on viewpoint.

Wish? If you ever reach mental adulthood you’ll realize that when you use other peoples property you aren’t allowed to shit on their carpet. Until that time arrives, moderation is the diaper they’ll use on you.

If they do anyway, they should be criticized, shamed

If you say juvenile shit while being older than a teenager, you’ll be criticized, shamed and called an asshole or worse. It’s entirely self inflicted.

or bought to get them to change their minds.

Come back when you have a couple of billions to burn, until then you are entirely free to start your own platform that adheres to your childish view of the world.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Speak freely does not mean that you can force you way into every conversation, but rather can speak to anybody who wants to listen, and respect requests to shut up in forums where your speech is not welcome. Free speech works best when people accept there are places where they do not say some of the things that they believe in, and conversations they do noy join in.

What you want is the ability to tell people how wrong they are until the change their mind, and that is not exercising free speech, but censorship by heckling. Further you have one thing you have a strong opinion om that you will bring up again and again, even when it is not the subject under discussion, and that makes you a proselytizing nuisance

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Demanding that people shut up when asked to do so is, of course, the opposite of free speech.

Speaking, in writing or in person, may result in people hearing things they don’t like. Too bad.

I tend to respond to people who are “wrong on the internet” (as long as we’re quoting xkcd). I have no illusions that I will change anyone’s mind, but I will continue to point out where they are mistaken.

Responding in writing, as I do here, cannot result in “censorship by heckling” because none of my responses can silence anyone else. Of course, it is woke ideologues who attempt to actually silence speakers in person, as the “students” did to a federal judge at Stanford Law.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

The notion that the first person to speak has a right to not be criticized, and that the only way to respect that speaker’s free speech is for nobody to ever say anything to disagree with it, is, to use the technical term, a bunch of incoherent fucking horseshit.

You, sir, are an idiot.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

As usual, you argue with illusory versions of me who say what you want them to say. I have never asked that woke ideologues refrain from saying what they believe.

It is, of course, true that state governments may set the curriculum for their public schools, and public school teachers have no 1st Amendment right to speak as they wish as part of their jobs. Is that what you mean?

Also, as usual, my opinions are my own, and I do not care who else shares my views, who does not, and what else any of those people might say. If you disagree with them, I suggest you go argue with them.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

You know what would help?

If half the fucking trolls, bad-faith debaters and harassers didn’t try to act like belligerent, unhinged wastes of hjmanity.

There’s been actual conservative voices that do just fine debating the issues raised in the articles WITHOUT acting like harassers and barely hiding their violent urges.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: 'Conservative? But they haven't used a single derogatory slur...'

The kicker is it’s damn near impossible to know how many of those commenting here would self-identify as conservative because the term has been tainted so thoroughly that unless a commentor outright give themselves the label anyone who isn’t acting like a hostile and/or bigoted jackass isn’t likely to even be considered to fall into the category.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

You merely tolerate others’ speech until you get frustrated that you can’t rebut an argument; then you go straight to silencing people.

When that “argument” amounts to saying “this group of people deserves to be treated like shit because [x]” or presenting less-than-credible evidence (if even that!) to back up a claim of fact, yes, we’re going to tell you to shut the fuck up. But being asked to STFU and GTFO isn’t the same thing as being silenced unless you actually, legitimately, and sincerely believe in the “I have been silenced” fallacy.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Being asked to shut up and get out is not the same thing as being silenced as long as those asks are voluntary. If someone is forced to shut up and get out, then that is exactly being silenced, because silencing and censorship are the acts of the censor, silencing speech based on viewpoint on platforms the censor controls. The ability of the silenced to speak elsewhere is irrelevant. The legality of the silencing is irrelevant. Woke ideologues would like to claim otherwise as long as the silenced speech is something they hate, so that they can use the legalism of the 1st Amendment to censor free speech while pretending to uphold it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Pro-life or pro-choice, conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat, dogs or cats. If it’s my platform, I can set the rules on what speech is allowed there, and I can kick you off of my platform if you don’t follow those rules. The First Amendment doesn’t even enter into it, because I’m not the government.

To be clear: I can place limits on speech on my platform, because it’s my private property. The government can’t, because of the First Amendment.

I don’t know why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

If woke ideologues believed that the free speech they hate had a small audience, they would not be so desperate to silence it. They know very well that dissent against woke gender ideology and critical race theory and illegal aliens and bums in the street and letting criminals out of jail are popular.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

The site owner professes to believe in free speech, and for the most part, does not censor my posts. As the commenters here like to point out when censorship is going their way, the site owner gets to decide.

The site owner would like me to go away voluntarily, so that he can resolve the cognitive dissonance between wanting to censor speech he hates and maintain the facade of being a free speech supporter. That’s why you will see him occasionally ranting and hurling epithets at me.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

I can’t think of another purpose that serves. Can you?

He specifically told you, didn’t he? Bad short-term memory? Mentally blanking out inconvenient things?

It also perfectly illustrates how you are thinking. You talk about “foundational values” while ignoring everyone telling you to go elsewhere because you aren’t welcome here. It tells everyone you aren’t actually interested in any kind of “foundational value” – you only use that as an excuse to impose yourself. You have zero discretion, zero empathy, you are extremely odious and you force yourself into places you aren’t wanted which is kind of ironic considering your whole bad schtick about trans people.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

What is it he told me? That he doesn’t like what I’m saying? Given that I can say what I want to say as AC, what does the moderation queue accomplish except to be a deliberate nuisance? Someone who claims to support free speech but degrades the ability to speak for people whose opinions he doesn’t like has pretty well internalized doublethink. As I say, woke ideologues use 1984 as a manual rather than a warning.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

Woke ideologues have badly misplaced empathy. Their empathy is always for the dregs of society, to the detriment of normal people.

It is misplaced empathy to allow crazed, stinking, drug-addled, possibly dangerous bums to live and defecate on the street. It is misplaced empathy to demand that arrested criminals be released from jail without allowing judges discretion. It is misplaced empathy to allow deluded men into women’s sports. It is misplaced empathy to use racist practices for hiring and admission to make up for ancestral wrongs.

And the most ironic thing is that none of this empathy ever improves the lives of the people the woke are claiming to help.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

And the most ironic thing is that none of this empathy ever improves the lives of the people the woke are claiming to help.

I sincerely hope your life goes to shit and you end up on the street. It might prove to be a good change of scenery for you and perhaps you will even learn an important lesson because of it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Being asked to shut up and get out is not the same thing as being silenced as long as those asks are voluntary.

Has a white supremest been silenced if he is forcibly removed from an all black church?

Has a devil worshipper been silenced if he is forcibly removed from a Christian church?

Has an islamaphobe been silenced if he is forcibly removed from a Mosque?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

So what you are saying is that a white supremacist should be allow to go to an all black church and preach to then about how the white man is superior and that the black church needs to let him speak?

Why do you feel your rights to speak are more important than the rights of the venue of where you are speaking?

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

No. That church has the right to silence whomever it wishes, and since the purpose of the church is to worship, not to serve as a generic speech platform, there is no reason for the church to allow speakers who speak against its purpose and philosophy.

My right to speak is entirely circumscribed by the owners of the venues I choose to speak at, unless they are owned by the government. But large generic speech platforms should choose not to censor opinions based on their viewpoints, because free speech is a foundational value of the society in which they are embedded.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

free speech is a foundational value of the society in which they are embedded

For what reason should “large generic speech platforms” like Twitter have to play by the rules (read: regulations) you want to set for them⁠? For what reason should every other privately owned platform for speech, including (most notably) conservative-leaning social media platforms, be exempt from those same rules?

(Nightmare Mode Challenge: You can’t reference their size or popularity, real or perceived.)

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

They’re not rules, they’re values. No one that isn’t the government is bound by any rules (except maybe obscenity) about what they allow or disallow on platforms they own.

All sites should moderate for spam, topicality, and decorum. (The latter being as the site, perhaps in conjunction with its users, sees fit). For example, a site might declare that no one may use words not suitable for a family publication.

Dedicated-topic sites will generally moderate away anything that isn’t related, although some sites maintain an off-topic forum for general discussions. For example, a bicycle forum might declare that motorbike discussions are not allowed. They may also declare that certain germane topics are off-limits because those topics lead to the same set of noisy arguments every time, or they may allow them anyway. The Facebook Kosher Trader Joe’s group does not allow discussion of which kosher certification marks are “acceptable” (itself a loaded word), while the Facebook Kosher Costco group does allow it.

Some dedicated-topic sites may declare themselves to be on some side of a particular issue and proclaim that they will not tolerate dissent on that matter. For example, a domestic abuse forum might declare that posts advocating for men’s rights are not allowed.

Finally, some sites hold themselves out to be general discussion forums, where their users may speak about anything they like. Facebook and Twitter are prominent examples. It is these forums which should most honor the foundational value of free speech, and not silence opinions based on their viewpoint.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Being asked to shut up and get out is not the same thing as being silenced

And yet, whenever you bitch about “large generic speech platforms” (whatever the fuck that means) not allowing all speech and how that’s censorship, you’re saying that they are the same thing. You can’t have it both ways, asshole.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

You really are an idiot, aren’t you? Do you think that clipping out the essential part of what I wrote is a meaningful way to respond?

Being asked to shut up and get out is not the same thing as being silenced *as long as those asks are voluntary”.

When you and Masnick and any of the other woke ideologues here ask me to shut up and get out, or flag my posts, you are not silencing me because none of those actions prevent me from speaking here. When I comment as signed-in and Masnick chooses not to let one of my posts appear, that is silencing.

sumgai (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Conflation Fixation

Hymie, are you not “speaking freely” right now, in this very forum? Because if you aren’t, then I’m gonna complain to the management that there’s a large pile dog shit on the floor, and they need to clean it up before the Health Department springs another surprise inspection.

And if you are speaking freely, then how the Hell does that equal being silenced?????

And I don’t wanna hear any of your shit about Twitter having more than a billion users, and TD having only a few thousand – you never really say that, although the rest of us can read between the lines and understand that it is the actual thrust of your arguments.

What you are is an outlier, Hymie. You don’t have any innate ability to garner a following of ‘true believers’, and you blame that on Twitter et al, incorrectly thinking that if only you could be accepted on Twitter (i.e. force them to carry your message to everybody else, and force everyone else to read it), you’d be the popular kid in school. Well, all I can say is, how’s that working for Elmo, eh?

Now that I come to think on it, what’s that old rubric about “Silence Is Golden”? Perhaps you should ponder why people like gold so much that they want to silence you….

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I am speaking freely and not being silenced on TechDirt, for the most part. Masnick occasionally censors one of my signrd-in posts, but then I just repeat it as AC.

Whether or not anyone pays attention to me, here or on Twitter or anywhere else, should rest on whether they care about me or what I say. Since I am a nobody, I would be lucky to engage double digits of people. I don’t care. I say what I want to say, and people are free to listen and respond, or not, as they wish.

However, Twitter and other large generic speech platforms should not silence opinions based on viewpoint, so that people expressing “wrongthink” never get the chance to be heard on those platforms, because that runs counter to the free speech values that are foundational to the society in which they are embedded.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

What Hyman is also is that he’s technically harassing us.

He has been told to knock it off with the transphobic, Nazi bullshit. Many times, ESPECIALLY by Mike himself.

And when Hyman refused, because apparently, learning about the horrors of the Nazis from his own parents only made the Nazis seem better, for reasons only known to Hyman’s mind.

We’ve also tried to explain to his Dunning-Kruger, Reddit-level brain that what he wanted was in violation of private property rights. Ergo, he hates private property rights, again, for reasons only known to Hyman. And thaat those rights also extend to the places he was kicked out of. But apparently, it seems like private property rights are for “conservative” places and not liberal” places, according to him.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

As usual with woke ideologues, what you are trying to “explain” is false, so it’s no wonder that you fail at it. I do not hate private property rights. All privately owned spaces, including the large generic speech platforms, have a 1st Amendment right to censor as they wish. However, embedded in a society that has free speech as a foundational value, they should not wish to censor opinions based on viewpoint, and if they do, they should be criticized, shamed, or bought to get them to change their behavior. If they refuse to change, then so be it. That is their right, and then, I hope, their users will go elsewhere.

You can yell “Nazi” as much as you like, but it will not alter the physical reality that people can only ever be the sex of their bodies. Given that, it is also the case that the lies of woke gender ideology should not be taught as truth in public schools, people with delusions about their sex or gender (which is the same as sex) should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, and people who do not believe in woke gender ideology should not be forced to affirm it. Trans people should also not murder little children.

Which reminds me that Stephen T. Stone should be along any moment now to offer an unqualified condemnation of that trans murderer in Nashville. He’s very big on that. (And he probably will, because Audrey Hale is too dead to worry about which prison she would go to.)

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I replied already, and as usual, I can’t tell if it’s stuck in moderation or has just disappeared. I’ll try again as AC.

I am indeed speaking freely on TechDirt, and for the most part, I am not being silenced here, barring the occasional post that sets Masnick off because it contains some fact or opinion that he just can’t stand.

I do not seek a following of true believers. I am an entirely ordinary person, and as such, would be lucky to have a mere double digits of people who cared what I have to say. The only thing for which I blame the large generic platforms is silencing opinions based on viewpoint. Facebook, for example, gave me “timeouts” for my opinions on woke gender ideology and the riots, looting, and arson that followed in the wake of George Floyd’s murder. Eventually I deleted my account because I had no intention of allowing myself to be blackmailed into expressing only opinions that were acceptable to their censors.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

People who are deluded about their gender (all people fall into one of the two sexes, and gender and sex are the same) need to stay out of single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them. If they regard that as being driven out of society, that’s their problem, not the problem of the non-deluded people in those spaces.

Woke gender ideologues are, of course, the ones who are obsessed with what people have between their legs, since they are determined to force people to pretend that there is nothing there, that being a man or a woman is a state of mind. But it is not. It is a physical, immutable (with current technology) fact of human bodies.

How’s that unqualified condemnation of Audrey Hale (or is it Aiden) coming along?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

(all people fall into one of the two sexes, and gender and sex are the same)

Sex is genetic/biological. Gender is socio-cultural.

Regarding sex: There are certainly XX (female) and XY (male) sexes. But what about the other genetic possibilities? You could argue that they are just abnormalities, but you could also argue that they are sufficiently different from XX and XY that they should be considered additional sexes. Who’s right, and why?

Regarding gender: Proof that gender is cultural can be shown by pointing out existing cultures that already recognize genders beyond the binary. Examples include the Hindu Hijra, the Mexican Muxe, the Native American Two-spirit, and more.

If gender is cultural, and cultures change over time, then it is reasonable to conclude that gender identification within a culture can also change over time.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

And if you can convince enough people about the redefinition of gender, more power to you. But for now, woke gender ideologues are trying to use force to redefine “man”, “woman”, “male”, “female”, “boy”, and “girl” and apply those new definitions to spaces that used those words with their original meanings.

Genetic and developmental abnormalities don’t change the fact that humans have two sexes. The abnormalities don’t produce anything unique in the way of reproductive function, just broken versions of what normal people of each sex have.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

They’re not considered the same thing by the people you want to believe. They are considered the same thing by people who don’t want the deluded forcing their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them.

The existence of cultures with more than two genders acts as a significant and pre-existing counterexample to your claim that gender and sex are identical. I’ve given evidence to support my claim that they aren’t identical. Where’s your evidence to support your claim that they are? Maybe it’s not their beliefs that are deluded; maybe it’s yours?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

No, just as the existence of myriad cultures with religious beliefs does not act as a counterexample to atheism.

Woke gender ideologues did not invent trans people. The trans delusion, like other mental illnesses, is endemic to humanity, and has been probably since the dawn of time, as evidenced by the fact that the Old Testament contains prohibitions against crossdressing. Thus, it is not in the least surprising that many cultures have incorporated the trans delusion into their customs and taboos, for good or for ill. But just as religious societies do not make gods exist, social gender beliefs do not make anything but the normal two sexes exist.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

The trans delusion, like other mental illnesses, is endemic to humanity, and has been probably since the dawn of time, as evidenced by the fact that the Old Testament contains prohibitions against crossdressing

If that’s the case then I’d be even more inclined to accept trans people since they’re naturally occurring, than accept an artificial cultural construct that says there’s something wrong with them because their existence somehow offends.

Besides, you’re only supporting my point by bringing up crossdressing. Is it a law of nature that only people of certain genetic configurations are permitted to wear certain clothing? No. It’s not. It’s a decision made by people in power. Crossdressing isn’t “bad” because people who do it are mentally ill. It’s “bad” because some power-hungry control freak said so 75,000 years ago. Other cultures don’t feel the same, and our cultural corner of the world has finally gotten around to questioning that decision as well.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:12

You are missing the point. The cultural construct that matters is that people have beliefs and taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts. The rules against crossdressing just attest to the fact that people have had the trans delusion for millennia. Even if we decide as a culture that some people are better off giving in to their delusion and assuming the stereotypical appearance of a member of the opposite sex, that does not require that we also agree that those people really are of they opposite sex, or that we allow those people into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

Actually it’s you that is missing the point. Cultural constructs don’t matter at all (except to the people that believe in that culture) because they’re completely artificial and subject to change at any time. How many things were considered mental illnesses (or worse) in the past aren’t anymore because our understanding of what’s really going on has changed over time? You, at least, have apparently advanced from the idea that trans people might be suffering from demonic possession, so I guess that’s something.

The “rules” against crossdressing only exist because someone made them up and they went without challenge long enough to be ingrained in culture. The same is true for the cultural construct that allowed for race-based slavery by making the claim that non-whites were inferior beings. They aren’t, obviously, and eventually enough people challenged the claim, and the culture changed. This has already happened for nonbinary gender identification in the other cultures I mentioned previously, and now it’s starting to happen in American/Western European culture as well.

As far as I am aware, nobody is claiming that a trans male is biologically or genetically equivalent to a genetic male. The claim is that they’re gender-equivalent. The problem is that our culture has used the words “male” and “female” to refer to both sex and gender because of the long-standing cultural norm. However, now that the cultural recognition is changing, the words probably need to change too.

It seems to me that the culture you believe in, the one that says being trans is a delusion, is in danger of dying. And as is typical for those who are a part of any dying culture, your opinion is that this change in society is a challenge to your beliefs, and therefore must be stopped.

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sumgai (profile) says:

Re:

Au contraire, mon ami, I do support free speach. I also support freely spoken rebuttals to any free speech. And finally, I fully support any and all consequences when that free speech overloads the tolerance level of the community…. not just my personal level of tolerance, but that of the entire community. Or at least a larger majority of it.

Where you go out of bounds is, astoundingly, in attempting to push the Constitution’s restrictions on government onto private citizens. Gawd forbid, if that were the intent of our Founding Fathers, we wouldn’t’ve survived the first decade, let alone the next 25 of them.

There’s a good reason why the first 10 Amendments are called the **Bill Of Rights*, and that is that they all act upon the government, not on the people. That last word is enshrined in the 10th Amendment, to wit:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People.

Is any of this ringing a bell for you, or did you skip US History class?

Here’s your take-away for the day: Any social media outfit, and we’ll use Twitter as an example, is private, you’ve said you get that. But what’s really going on is that we users (aka The People) have hired a small cadre of fellow users to run the show for us. That’s it, there’s no reason to try to add anything else. Twitter runs its three-ring circus for us, and we The People can choose to view it, or go view someone else’s circus. But make no mistake (which a far too large majority of allegedly educated people make), you have more power in your tiny keyboard than all the governments combined in changing how things work… you can complain, and if that doesn’t work, you can go view some other circus, taking your money with you. It really is as simple as that. But in either case and regardless of the results, you were able to speak directly to the Ringmaster, something that no government can do.

Now, doesn’t that make you feel a bit more uplifted than when you posted earlier today, knowing that in at least one area of your life, you surpass the government(s) with a superior power?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

The reason is simple.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/de-transitioned-teen-sues-kaiser-permanente-performing-double-mastectomy-intentional-fraud

When mutilating butchers are slicing off the breasts of 13-year-old girls, harping on about children’s genitals seems like it should be an urgent concern.

Your frequent emotional blackmail that the delusions of trans people must be affirmed or else they will kill themselves was, according to the lawsuit, also used by the gender-destroying providers to gaslight the parents, who were asked “would you rather have a live son or a dead daughter?”

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

It doesn’t make a pattern in the same way that police killing a civilian doesn’t make a pattern. Of course woke ideologues will dismiss every such case as a singular, non-defining event.

By the way, here’s another case of women objecting to a man forcing his way into their single-sex space:
https://reduxx.info/women-file-lawsuit-against-university-of-wyoming-sorority-over-admission-of-trans-identified-male-who-watches-them-undress/

How’s that unqualified condemnation of Audrey (or is it Aiden) Hale coming along?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

Naturally, woke gender ideologues would like to construe dissent as violence and genocide, but all this dissent means is that deluded people should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, the lies of woke gender ideology should not be taught as truth in public schools, and people who do not believe in woke gender ideology should not be forced to affirm it.

How’s that unqualified condemnation of Audrey (or is it Aiden) Hale coming along?

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:10

Two things. One, you really are eager for a trans genocide regardless of whether you’ll admit it. Two…

How’s that unqualified condemnation of [Some Asshole in Tennessee] coming along?

…I see what you’re doing here (especially with the deadnaming), and it’s a cute trick, but it’s not going to work on me. You’re the one who has an issue with condemning anti-trans violence without also including anti-trans language, which basically voids your statement. And by asking for my condemnation of a school shooting by a trans person, you’re both trying to minimize anti-trans violence and expecting me to qualify my condemnation like you do (or not condemn such violence at all). So I’m glad I’ll get to disappoint you, you cruel son of a bitch:

I wholeheartedly and unreservedly condemn the shooting at Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee as an immoral act of unnecessary violence that cost six people their lives⁠—and I do so regardless of the motives (or identity) of the shooter because nothing in this world justifies that sort of violence.

Now fuck off, you hateful vermin.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Good.

I wholeheartedly and unreservedly condemn the murders at Club Q as a brutal act of malevolent violence against innocent people attempting to enjoy themselves. I do so regardless of the motives, background, or identity of Anderson Lee Aldrich. I hope, should he be found guilty, that he is swiftly executed, and if not, that he is imprisoned for the remainder of his life.

(I hope that he is not found innocent by reason of insanity, because I do not believe in that concept. Someone who commits gruesome crimes while not having the mental capacity to understand that those actions are wrong is a dangerous animal, and should be put down like one.)

I am not in favor of “trans genocide”. You must have been speaking once again with that illusory version of me who haunts your dreams. Woke ideologues would like to construe dissent against their beliefs as calls for violence and genocide so that they can steal the goodwill people have against real violence and genocide in order to silence the dissent without having to make an actual defense.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:12

I wholeheartedly and unreservedly condemn the murders at Club Q as a brutal act of malevolent violence against innocent people attempting to enjoy themselves. I do so regardless of the motives, background, or identity of Anderson Lee Aldrich. I hope, should he be found guilty, that he is swiftly executed, and if not, that he is imprisoned for the remainder of his life.

You wanna know what’s both sad and funny at the same time? If you’d simply said that the first time instead of continually qualifying that statement with your anti-trans bullshit, I wouldn’t have given you such a hard time over it. But you did it over and over and over again until I literally handed you a goddamn template for an apology. I can’t consider your statement to be in good faith because I know there’s a part you intentionally refused to add this time.

Someone who commits gruesome crimes while not having the mental capacity to understand that those actions are wrong is a dangerous animal, and should be put down like one.

…and just when I think you can’t be a worse person than you already are, you post this and prove me wrong.

I am not in favor of “trans genocide”.

You are in favor of laws that make the ability of trans people to exist in public much harder than it already is. You are in favor, by your own admission, of harassing trans people about their trans identity under the guise of “truth-telling”. You don’t give a shit about transgender people’s lives unless you think pretending to give a shit will win you Internet points (e.g., your condemnation of the Club Q shooting). You have expressed dismay that trans kids can receive non-surgical gender-affirming medical care of any kind.

Your entire schtick since you’ve been posting here has been a veiled attempt to make people here bite on your anti-trans poison and spread it. Your rhetoric, like that of far more high-profile transphobes, is only ever meant to create feelings of hatred, distrust, and anger towards trans people. Your allies in the anti-trans movement are trying their hardest to create a Kristallnacht moment where they can justify treating trans people like dangerous “undesirables” who need to be segregated away from polite society⁠—perhaps in camps where the trans population can be concentrated for the safety of everyone else.

Whether you advocate for anti-trans violence or not is irrelevant. Whether you like/admit it or not is irrelevant. Everything you have said indicates that you want trans people to stop existing for the sake of your personal comfort. You are in favor of a transgender genocide. And nothing you can say on this site after this post will make me think otherwise because everything you’ve said on this site before this post has convinced me of everything I’ve said in this post.

Now fuck off to Florida, where I’m sure Ron DeSantis would love to have you help him plan the next steps in the GOP’s war on trans people. 👋

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

As usual, you argue with illusory versions of me that say what you want them to say, not with me.

The bit about sending Aldrich to the prison that matches the sex of his body is me having fun winding you up. Most people wouldn’t regard that addendum as somehow being in favor of murder, but you make being wrong a specialty.

Trans people can exist as much as they like, and be as public as they like. They should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, they should not be allowed to teach their delusions as truth in public schools, and they should not be able to force people who do not believe in their ideology to affirm it.

As for providing gender-destroying treatment to children, the problem is the e14n of the process, as Cory Doctorow calls it, and as several exposés have described. The premise is that children with gender dysphoria are carefully evaluated by doctors and psychiatrists, other mental illnesses are taken into account, and then, if due consideration determines that it is warranted, sex changing procedures are applied. But of course that does not happen. Doctors and other professionals with doubts about woke gender ideology will make sure not to get involved in the process, but to speak up is career suicide because the medical professional organizations have been colonized by woke gender ideologues. The ones who are left are the true believers or the hacks who don’t care. That means the evaluations are given short shrift, the true believers gaslight the parents into thinking their children will kill themselves if a sex change isn’t done, and things proceed quickly to the mutilations.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:14

I’m sick and tired of arguing with you so I’mma just say “you win” and shut up about trans issues forever even when I want to speak up because I’d rather be quiet and have you leave me alone than open my mouth and have you go for my throat and heart and brain all at the same time

so you win

I’m done

fuck you

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

deluded people should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them,

Which do you want them to do,to use the restroom where how they present themselves exposes them to danger, or would you rather they remain in the closet, and at greater risk of suicide?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Here is what they can do:

Use an all-gender restroom.

Use a single-person restroom, so irrelevant as to designated sex.

Use the restroom that corresponds to the sex of their body.

The law in woke municipalities may require that public restrooms admit people according to their beliefs about their sex rather than their real sex, or the owner of the restroom may have that policy. In that case, the trans person may use the restroom corresponding to their delusion.

If using any restroom is dangerous, it is the responsibility of the owner and the authorities to correct the situation.

If a trans person is liable to kill themselves because their delusions are not affirmed, that needs to be discovered and mental health treatment supplied. Ideally, they will learn to live comfortably in the only body they will ever have.

Anonymous Coward says:

Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit are examples of large generic speech platforms. Of course woke ideologues willfully deny reality in many more aspects than this.

Moderation silences speech based on form. Censorship silences speech based on viewpoint. Private platforms are allowed to moderate or censor as they wish. But in a society that has free speech as a foundational value, large generic speech platforms should moderate but not censor.

I have zero problem with people criticizing or trying to shame me (buying me would be more problematic) when that criticism is wrong, as evidenced by the fact that I continue posting here.

Granted that the “bought” aspect is unusual, we do have an actual example. The woke ideologues of TechDirt hate Musk so much precisely because he did just that – bought a large generic speech platform in order to do away with its woke ideological censorship.

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