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  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 5:19am

    Re: Re:

    "Didn't the enacted law from the EU require each country to implement a local law in conjunction with this edict?"


    "If a country doesn't make such a local law, do they get kicked out of the union?"

    No. They can challenge the directive by bringing it to the EUCJ, they can request a national exemption...and they can ignore it. If the opt for the third choice people get all whiny and the EU may choose to invoke some form of penalty sanction.

    "If Poland is successful in this endeavor would that invalidate any local laws that have been implemented?"

    Not directly...but the ruling will most likely mean the articles or the copyright directive itself will have been judged by the EUCJ to be in violation of the EU charter.

    And THAT will require member states to abolish those laws.

    We've seen this happening before when the data retention directive was struck down in bolts of thunder by the EUCJ...and quite a few member state then whined a whole lot about having to rip up their brand new national legislation.

  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 4:23am

    Re: There's nothing unreasonable about a dress code

    "Men, and I'm sure this is a terrible weakness that should be screamed about and condemned, are easily distracted by women who are undressed as if they're ready for sexual intercourse."

    Responsibility still 100% on the observer. And for the record, the fact that you're associating a state of undress with "readiness to have sexual intercourse" is already a red flag, right there.

    As a man I usually wear, on the beach, a total of One (1) item of clothing, rendering me into a 95% state of nudity. Some men wear even less, abstaining from the tried-and-true trunks.

    Neither I nor any other man has ever been considered "ready for sexual intercourse" just because we're in beachwear. But somehow THAT is the default association that crops up in your head as soon as you see a woman not wearing the western version of a burkha?

    Says more about your view than it does about dress codes, really.

  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 4:17am


    We haven't had that protocol here since, 1969?

  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 4:15am

    Re: Re:

    "Which is why no gun law has ever worked in any of the countries that don't have the same gun problems as you do. You already have more guns than most of the countries that never have mass shootings combined, so clearly the answer to this epidemic is more guns."

    Those countries also have quite different infrastructure and culture than the US. The starting point is different.

    Gun control can not function in the US - from a legal pov, from the cultural pov, and from a societal pov. That's why even if gun control WAS achievable, it'll in reality do as much good as trying to combat global warming by making a law saying that it is forbidden for CO2 to absorb infrared radiation.

    Also, kindly duly note that the prevalence of guns doesn't go very far towards explaining why in the US murder rates which are NOT related to guns are also at a level you won't find anywhere else in the G20.

    Gun control makes sense if we're talking about european nations. Before you can get that to do anything meaningful in the US you really need to start down the same road we did there.

    Historically speaking no european nations started out with gun control on the agenda. It was simply possible to implement that once society as a whole found that access to firearms was not a necessity for most people.

    "I'd imagine the same would be true if people are encouraged to shoot their way out of any perceived danger rather than deal with the root causes."

    And that is about 99% of the issue, right there. For numerous reasons it is tacitly understood by many americans that if you are in trouble, violence is the only solution on the table. At the end of the day US murder rates - rampage killings or otherwise - ends up being a class issue.

    Taking guns away from the irresponsible and the violent? In the US? Would be nice.
    And if pigs had wings they might fly.

  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 2:40am


    So, that plan of yours using..."burner"...internet connections...

    You've been taking that up as, somehow, a valid danger for what...three years now, just here on TD?

    And strangely enough not one single case of this happening has ever showed itself in factual reality, mainly because there are pretty good technical and legal reasons as to why this scheme of yours is invalid.

    So for how many years will you have to be proven wrong in real life before you decide to stop wasting everyone's time on a hypothetical which ranks with Russel's Teapot in probability?

  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 2:18am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "Google is SPREADING the defamation, however, amplifying its audience."


    Google is a search index. It tallies available information and allows people to search it. End of story.

    What you are essentially saying is that library indexes should be held liable for the contents of the indexed books.

    At which point I refer you back to a few millenia's worth of very long debates and arguments regarding what must be considered sacred if the concept of "Free Speech" is to practically exist.

    Your argument basically boils down to "If enough people say bad things about me, it might spread because I'm just THAT much of a douche. And this is bad".

    It's ironic that the US, of all countries, actually NEEDED to build section 230 right in to safeguard free speech online when just about every other member of the G20 already had it covered in their various constitutions and telcom acts.

  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 1:12am

    Re: Re: Re:

    "So did FOSTA/SESTA."

    Same principle applies. FOSTA/SESTA have the odious effect of causing great harm to those who are already in exposed and difficult positions. Which is, to many of those defending it, a feature instead of a bug.

    Abolishing section 230 in the US, however, effectively means removing the online environment from the protections of the first amendment completely.

    The difference is mainly one of how many are affected.

  • Aug 21st, 2019 @ 12:48am

    Re: Re: I think you could have just gone with "the nutty conspir

    "The nutty conspiracy isn’t the document leak, it’s the way their fans have been reacting to it."

    No conspiracy is needed when what is posited is what the entire extreme right wing so dearly WANTS and NEEDS to hear - that the reason they're being treated like pariahs online is NOT because the main majority happens to dislike their messages of "Black men want our wimmin!" and "Jewish conspiracy is behind everything I tell you!!".

    Racists and bigots just hate to have to own the fact that their opinions are bigoted and racist.

  • Aug 20th, 2019 @ 3:44am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "I tried it once too... but for me it was extremely difficult to hold back my vomit while I was simultaneously laughing."

    That's where you did wrong, then.

    The key to simulating a Baghdad Bob/Hamilton/OOTB post is precisely NOT to hold back your vomit. Just make sure you pour it in the textbox and voilá. One classical Baghdad Bob/Hamilton post right there.

  • Aug 20th, 2019 @ 1:18am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "So do you risk taking Megacorp to court for the terrible thing they did to your family, knowing that they're going to rack up hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars in attorney and court costs..."

    True enough. You'd need to fix a way to somehow level that playing field first.
    But...right now, right here, that's what is going to happen if you take a megacourt to court anyway, unless you can somehow link up in a class action suit where plenty of people help pay the costs and a lot of lawyers run a few pro bono hours.

  • Aug 20th, 2019 @ 12:59am

    Re: Here's what I don't understand

    "Don't the legacy media also enjoy the same protections from section 230."

    Yes...but bear in mind the "legacy industries" are composed of people like that Sony CEO who couldn't see one good thing coming from the internet. An internet turned completely noninteractive only hurts them if they have the idea to expand and renew their 18th century business model.

  • Aug 20th, 2019 @ 12:55am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Probably not Blue/Baghdad Bob. Note that the snarky one-liner actually comes with a point. An assortment of 15 url's IS indeed not too impressive for a country the size of China.

    The lithmus test for a genuine out-of-the-blue Baghdad bob rant is that snarky triumphant tone when pointing out a state of affairs which can not be found anywhere in factual reality.

  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 6:54am

    Re: Re:

    "Has anyone seen me and Stephen T. Stone in the same place at the same time? No? Well then..."

    But...that argument can be made for MOST of the posters here. Including Baghdad Bob.


  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 6:48am

    Re: Re:

    "...But you'd rather OOTB be elsewhere where they can maybe get people to agree with them"

    No, seriously...Baghdad Bob/OOTB? Getting people to "agree"?

    His "arguments" exclusively rely on intimidation, guilt-by-association, false premises, and marginalization. The only people who agree with him are his own sock puppets.

    Unless he's preaching to a copyright cultist choire who don't listen to anything other than the keywords "Pirates bad" I don't credit that idiot with the ability to string three words together without the majority of the other commenters reporting him.

    I don't think we want him to leave though. Every time he comments he ends up taking the pro-copyright argument for a ripe public shaming.

  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 5:57am

    Re: Re:

    "...but just making the loser always pay is a terrible idea and extremely unfair and unjust."

    Not really. Pushing a case to a court of law SHOULD require the accusing party to be VERY certain.

  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 5:53am

    Re: Anything you say

    "Looks to me as if ol' Trumpy baby is gradually appointing and surrounding himself with "yes" men of like mind. Hmm.....isn't that what Hitler did?"

    Not really. Hitler surrounded himself with a cadre of dysfunctional sociopaths who had exactly one useful talent each and were constitutionally incapable of tying their own shoelaces, let alone navigate a chain of command on their own without screwing up.

    ...uh, it DOES resemble Trump.

  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 5:47am

    Re: Re: Re: I would never purchase police services. Stop forcing

    "that you are spending.. how much is that? About two dollars?"

    With military weaponry and vehicles at their disposal? That probably cost quite a pretty penny.

    "No wonder the cops are searching for cash and forfeiting our money!"

    No, the low wages and occasional petty bribery does give the average officer enough to live on. The fringes from civil forfeiture is the real icing on the cake though.

  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 5:44am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: “Bad apples”?

    To some extent, true.

    In sweden there was a chief of police not too long ago who was, on the surface, well-known for being a rabid feminist, to the point that his subordinates commonly referred to him as "Captain Dress".

    Turned out to be that he'd made good use of having all those levers of access to surveillance results and personal files to run an on-the-side trafficking ring for twelve years.

    He was the only one who got caught and for some reason no one else in the police force was ever even suspected, despite it being obvious he would have had to have a lot of help.

    There's a critical problem when the people who have all the real power over investigations and evidence also happen to have a culture of going all out to defend their own, no matter what.

  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 5:30am

    Re: Re: Dystopia

    "At least the Judges in Megacity 1 were vaguely fair, and being written by Brits, less likely to gun you down for the lulz."

    More like "draconian but nigh-incorruptible". Having orphaned children brainwashed through sleep learning and indoctrination for twenty years to become fighting machines unable to even conceive of corruption isn't really what I'd call "desirable"...

    ...but I'd still draw the analogy to the far more malign and accurate parallel of the Stasi.

  • Aug 19th, 2019 @ 5:23am


    "Did the buggy whip manufacturers try to discredit the automobile industry? All sorts of silliness went on."

    Ah, the old "red flag act", still with its very own wiki entry.

    Every legacy industry tries to make it's likely successor out to be the reason the Sky Will Be Falling.

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