Don’t Vibe Check Me, Bro; Or How To Deal With Comments In An Era Filled With Post-Factual Nazis

from the we-write-what-we-want dept

A whole lot of bad faith arguing continues [and is amplified!] now that Donald Trump has somehow regained his position as The Person Most Likely To Abuse His Power While Serving As The Most Powerful Man In The World. [Cut to yearbook photo of an 18-year-old Donald Trump with a magnificent head of hair and a half-smile that doesn’t reach his eyes.]

Stolen valor even then.

Let that image burn its way into your psyche as I head off to rant and rail against the irritants in the commentary flow, who not only fuck shit up for the rest of us, but also think (one way or the other) that facts shouldn’t mean as much as their personal feelings.

Those of you who tune in regularly know that I don’t care for Trump. Never have. Never will. And I am not only flabbergasted he’s managed to be elected twice, but consider this unwelcome second coming to be a leading indicator of this nation’s willingness to go fascist on main, rather than just another anomaly we’ll hopefully soon be footnoting in American history.

The weird thing is that my extremely caustic takes on Trump have provoked two equally strident and stupid responses.

On the more persistent end, there’s a commenter out there who seems to believe I’m cutting Trump a blank check on rights violations by referring to his current term as an “administration,” rather than a regime.

Well, if I may be so bold (and who’s going to stop me!), fuck right off. I’ll call it a “regime” on the regular if Trump somehow manages to get the nation’s top court to approve of a third term, which would probably result in Franklin Roosevelt rolling over in his grave, if only he weren’t so incapacitated by his presumably lingering polio.

Speaking of polio, let’s not forget Mr. Measles, the guy currently running the Dept. of Health and Human Services into the deeper, darker parts of worldwide life expectancy charts. Hey, hitting 80 is no longer an expected outcome in the Free World. If you’re lucky, you’ll die of rape-related pregnancy complications in the Federal Republic of Texas as doctors do nothing they can to prevent a child from being born into abject poverty and abuse, even if it means killing the mother to give this kid a shot at shooting up his school.

On the other hand, I have commenters complaining I’m “too biased” when I cover issues related to the hateful ratfucking bigots currently running this country.

Please enjoy my apology to these weirdos, who seem to think encroaching fascism should be covered “fairly” — something composed and performed by punkish victims of every housing crisis over the last 20 years, Japanther:

And that’s the weird thing about this so-called “discourse.” Some people want you to be angrier. Other people want you to be less angry.

But they’re both wrong. You can’t always get what you want, as every cover band has ever said when covering the Rolling Stones past 11 pm. (The “Satisfaction” crowd has already left to drive home the babysitter. The crowd that remains may still want some crowd-pleasers, but just as equally they want the stuff that makes them feel bad.)

You get this instead, sickos:

And that’s how it goes here at Techdirt. You may be pleased by certain posts — or perhaps all posts. But your pleasure isn’t the impetus for the post’s creation. We obviously hope you’ll be pleased by our posts (a hopefulness that covers everyone from the other Tim to Mike to Karl to Glyn to Cathy to every other writer who allows us to publish their stuff under the Techdirt logo), but your personal pleasure is not what drives the creation of content, despite the fervent belief of certain commenters.

What we do is what we want to do. And while I’m always willing to accept criticism over factual and/or legal inaccuracies in my posts (how else would I learn?!), I’m extremely opposed to vibes-based criticism of my work. If you have facts, bring them. But don’t expect any writer here to neuter their posts just because it didn’t appeal to people who think other terms should be used just so they might feel a little more comfortable reading the content.

That’s the way it works here. We don’t write because we want to please everyone. We write because WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. If you want “both sides” writing, you’ve got everything from the NYT editorial board to the back of mayonnaise packets to give you what you want. But if you’re showing up here specifically to bitch about perceived biases, you’re in the wrong place. The bias exists. And it is SPECTACULAR.

Don’t bring vibes to a fact fight. Get in or get out, but don’t expect Techdirt to bend a writer’s will to satisfy particularly lazy and argumentative commenters. We write what WE BELIEVE. For everything else, there’s… I don’t know… most of the rest of internet?

Don’t be these people, whether you’ve bought into the Krassensteins or the weird concept that reporting on events that affect your life should be an affect-less drone you can tune out until you feel like adding your particular bitching to a site’s comment section. Either way, you’re just performative but somehow feel you’re justified in attacking people who have been doing this for real for years before it even mattered to you.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

That is in fact precisely how any kind of pressure campaign works, yes. The people at whom one is targeted do not generally deign to respond with “actually you’re totally right, I’ll just fix that right now”, or it wouldn’t’ve turned into a campaign in the first place — it would’ve been a one and done correction.

But when you fire up the “I’m not mad, don’t put in the newspapers I got mad” engine, you make more people aware of the thing in the first place, confirm that you’re seeing and paying attention to it, and you also confirm that it is in fact getting to you and making you respond to it.

Anyone posting on TechDirt ought to be familiar with the Streisand effect.

Strawb (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

That is in fact precisely how any kind of pressure campaign works, yes. The people at whom one is targeted do not generally deign to respond with “actually you’re totally right, I’ll just fix that right now”

Hyperbole aside, when a pressure campaign works, the target often does change whatever it is consumers want changed. Having the target go “I’m not doing it” is just evidence that they’re aware of the campaign, not that it’s having any effect. If it were having an effect, they’d at least go “We’ll be reviewing insert campaign call here” or something.

Anyone posting on TechDirt ought to be familiar with the Streisand effect.

Yes, and that’s not what this is. The Streisand effect is “an unintended consequence of attempts to hide, remove, or censor information, where the effort instead increases public awareness of the information.”.

Techdirt and Cushing have not been trying to hide, remove or censor what people are demanding. If anything, this article is very much the opposite of the Streisand effect, since they’re intentionally calling attention to what’s going on.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Or if you were observant, you’d see that the backlash of multiple commenters telling the regime guy to fuck off is much greater. Ironically, he can’t take his own medicine. If he thinks others should change their behavior based on his petty preferences but he’s not able to take feedback, he’s a hypocrite and a maroon.

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Anonymous Coward says:

I like how this is allegedly about how TD is all about facts, but the only argument against accurately labeling the Trump regime is “don’t wanna”.

My general theory is that Americans get shirty about it because ‘regime’ is a word that’s supposed to be used to describe those people, you know, the ones over there, and not to their home, but I figure the same language used to describe any other despot applies even if they reside in Floria.

James Burkhardt says:

Re:

Governments of any type, hell any organization of any sort can be called a regime, if you just wanna talk facts. There is no objective line that defines ‘a ‘regime’ from an ‘administration’. A regime still administrates. Any administration is a regime. Its a performative demand that Tim signal his virtuous alignment with RightThink by adopting some arbitrary language choices.

In response to the request to update his language, Tim has provided the subjective line that he will use. If you feel there is an authoritative source as to an objective definition, I would love to hear it.

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Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: We have children in concentration camps without due process

The US is not just a under regime…

The US is not even a banana republic under a tin-potted dictator…

The US is under a regime regime that tin-potted dictators ruling banana republics can point to to say they’re legit.

At least we’re not as bad as America. Our political prisoners get a semi-decannual case-review!

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Anonymous Coward says:

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No, it’s just because you’re an annoying asshole. i’ve called the United States a lot of things in my lifetime. i have, in fact, referred to the current administration as a regime, as well as the last time these authoritarian assclowns were in charge. But i ain’t gonna demand it from someone else as if it were a fact (it’s just your emotive soundbite framing), and as if that putative fact makes any fucking difference. You worried about (further) normalization of Trump-style and other authoritarian behavior? Good! Picking on a dude who doesn’t use your chosen words is a dumbass place to start, and a most ridiculous hill on which to die.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

‘Or else’ appears to be a hallucination of your own; no such phrasing appears in the post quoted in the article. Or any of the others out there, for that matter.

What even would be the ‘or else’, anyway? “Or else I shall ask you a second time”? Truly, the epitome of coercive action.

(Originally posted in the wrong thread. Hooray phones.)

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

What even would be the ‘or else’, anyway?

The implied “or else” is a continuation of the harassing demandment on every article he writes where the words “Trump” and “administration” are next to each other that he replace “administration” with “regime”. You might think it’s not that much of an “or else”, but the idea that Tim is going to get this treatment on every article where he mentions the Trump administration, conceivably for the rest of his time writing for Techdirt, is still fucking ridiculous.

Having a preferred term doesn’t give you the right to make him use it. Harassing him into using it doesn’t get you anything but an empty “win” because instead of convincing him through reasoned argument that your preference is “better”, all you will have done is effectively yelled in his ear until he got tired of you trying to make him deaf. This is why I haven’t torn anyone’s ear off about referring to the detention camp in Florida as anything but the Dade-Collier Concentration Camp: I can’t make anyone use that term even if I believe my preference is subjectively “better” than people calling it “Alligator Auschwitz” or some other derogatory-yet-catchy nickname.

You can keep doing this “Regime.” shit all you like, but it ain’t gonna get you the W. All it’s going to get you is auto-flagged by everyone and ignored by people who are objectively better at people-ing than I am. You really think you’re going to win this battle by being a whiny bitchass? Yeah, good luck with that, son. I look forward to seeing you give up this ghost when you finally realize how futile and pointless your harassment schtick really is.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

I’d say prove it, but you can’t. If you choose to post anonymously, you choose the risk of people drawing conclusions such that some ACs are the same person. And some ACs are clearly the same person just claiming to be someone different to make such an accusation of reading comprehension failure or trying to pretend multiple ACs agree. You don’t get a pass on choosing confusion and then criticizing when people might be confused (or you’re a troll pretending to be someone different).

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Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Not our first surveilance / censorship rodeo

AI is still not very smart. Even if a small percentage of people engage in means to create mass false positives, it’ll gum up the system and make it problematic.

And when we find ways to produce false negatives, that’ll travel through porn-share channels faster than bad news.

Observe the war between spammers and social media platforms continuing to go on.

(I’m not ruling out AI will get smarter, but given enough eyes, all exploits are something something)

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danderbandit (profile) says:

In a 'military' uniform?

Picturing this asshat in a military uniform, even a school academy version, is disgusting. When it came time to go to the real military, he had ‘bone spurs’. And he constantly disrespects actions by our actual armed forces members.

I’m sure at least a few of you will claim that dodging the draft was very common at one point and maybe that the ‘war’ at the time merited dodging the draft. That’s not what this is about.

I’m talking about someone who couldn’t be bothered to serve and would rather suck at his daddy’s teat and learn to screw over anybody he could. But still has the lack of conscience to call himself the Commander in Chief.

Pseudonymous Coward says:

Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

There is a better argument out there about tone policing. Those arguments exist elsewhere, and I do suggest reading them. But this is an empty “okay, fuck this, fuck you” tantrum being treated as journalism – one which doesn’t even bother making a serious argument, but prefers the ‘vibe’ of someone like him making a point (or at least trying).

I do find Cushing’s style of writing bothersome at times, but I still read it. I don’t particularly value either of those comments mentioned either (I recall responding negatively to one of them). Techdirt tends to do a decent job of journalism, particularly around major tech-related court cases, and even if I find the style in which Cushing or another author wrote a story irritating, there’s usually links to a range of information and earnest assessment of those sources.

Maybe this is a sign to Techdirt’s staff that you need good outlets – don’t let this comment section be your entire world. Either have other places you can vent, or maybe add a subsite for each of your writers where they can have more informal conversations and vent about someone who might be annoying them.

But if this is to be a standard piece of journalism here, it is going to change the dynamic of the site. Make sure that’s a dynamic you want – I don’t think I would want it in the same space as assessments of the Roberts court or the UK’s ongoing adventure into age assessment requirements if I was trying to cultivate this site. I want you to succeed, and I feel like a rant that tells us little more than “I’m mad” is doing less to help you than it is to harm you.

Stephen says:

If it helps any, a web cartoonist called me “The Man” recently for suggesting one of their cartoon characters should be locked up for expenses fraud

I replied that I was happy keeping everyone else down as long as I got a good cup of coffee out of it

But, yeah, minor differences of opinion about the degree of how ghastly Trump’s leadership isn’t really important.

It’s the bane of politics everywhere – one heretic has a slightly different viewpoint on clause 15 subsection 12 and therefore must be burnt at the stake because they’re wrong

Nevermind that the other side are literally building concentration camps for brown folks, we’ve got to fight our real enemies on the same side!

John A Nemesh, Jr says:

F*** it, it's YOUR site!

Say whatever you want, however you want to say it. If people disagree, they can get their own damn website! These nazis think that the Constitutional guarantee of “Freedom of Speech” means that they can post whatever they want, wherever they want, and we have to let them. It doesn’t and we don’t!

kythra (profile) says:

the sense of entitlement has really chased me my entire life so I get it

I’m still left wondering why Assholes I grew up with 30 years ago thought I should dress and pick my clothing based on what was most pleasing to them. Like what gave them that sense of entitlement to me? Imagine you’re probably going through the same here like Newsflash assholes I don’t live my life to please you.

Pixelation says:

Tim, I’m really curious what the point of you writing articles is, it isn’t 100% clear to me from the article. On the one hand, it sounds like you just want a pulpit to say whatever you want, however you want to say it and readers should take it or leave it. On the other hand, when you say, “Don’t bring vibes to a fact fight.”, it seems like you want readers to see the facts and for it to make a difference in the world. If it’s the first one, good for you, I’m glad you have a space to vent your upset and frustration at some of the injustice in the world (really). If it’s a “facts fight”, why put an angry, upset vibe on it? If your intention is to make a difference in the world, I’m not sure yelling into an echo chamber is the answer. Although, on second thought, Rush Limbaugh made a fortune doing it, so, what do I know?

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