Trying To Monetize Bigots Is A Great Way To Go Broke

from the if-they're-shitty-to-everyone-else,-they'll-be-shitty-to-you dept

Lots of people thought they could create a better Twitter after they (incorrectly) assumed Twitter was violating their First Amendment rights (lol) by refusing to host their Nazi-adjacent banter.

A handful of people mistook froth for cream and decided they’d welcome the worst of the worst social media users. Shortly after that, they realized they’d made a horrible mistake. Their networks were inundated with the people other social media platforms no longer wished to cater to: the sort of people most regular people wouldn’t associate with.

The assumption was that these “persecuted” asshats would pay good money to remain on any social media network or that there would be some rush of advertisers who really wanted to reach these asshats. The heads of these Twitter offshoots (but, you know, for Nazis) assumed these assholes would put their money where their worthless mouths were.

And, time after time, the heads of these social media offshoots were brutally informed that policing user-generated content is difficult. They also learned cops were very interested in their hideous user bases. And, finally, they learned it’s extremely difficult to convert online anger to profitable business models.

That brings us to Ryan Coyne, the man (very temporarily, it seems) in control of alt-right Twitter clone Parler. Parler began its run by proclaiming itself to be the new host of total freedom of speech. Shortly thereafter, it realized that refusing to perform content moderation meant it REALLY needed to engage in content moderation. Shortly after that, it realized social media services have an obligation to engage with law enforcement when users start issuing the sort of threats that generate federal charges.

Having been disabused of all of his preconceptions about social media, content moderation, free speech, and the impossibility of monetizing a particularly reprehensible user base, Coyne has decided to divest himself of the albatross he very recently purchased, as Mike Masnick recently covered here at Techdirt.

The money quote is this:

“No reasonable person believes that a Twitter clone just for conservatives is a viable business any more,” Arlington, Va.-based digital media company Starboard said in announcing Friday that it had acquired Parler.

While I will always be a fan of schadenfreude and the belated realization that catering to the worst people in the world is seldom profitable, I do, at least, tip my hat to Coyne’s acceptance of the fact that catering to “conservatives” (you know the ones I mean) will never make him rich.

Nor do I want to step on Mike’s toes by revisting something covered last week at this site. But I do want to pound home the point being made by Parler’s new “owner,” as well as the internet at large. Coyne (and his company, Starboard) have realized catering to degenerates is never going to generate profit.

But he’s an anomaly. There’s a nation full of grifters who believe mouth-breathers so utterly abhorrent even conservative-coddling social media platforms ejected them might be worth at least some money… right up until they realize they’re spending their online time interacting with people as stupid as they are.

If only the “conservatives” Parler catered to were this self-aware. If they were, they might have realized that their unhinged, bigoted presence on any social media network made private companies less profitable. Alas, all they care about is having a megaphone for their bullshit, provided that megaphone is placed directly in the ears of the libs they want to own.

People went out of their way to create echo chambers for bigots only to find out these people aren’t really interested in interacting with their own kind. Once the unwilling recipients of their hatred were subtracted from the equation, they swiftly lost interest, and took their wallets with them.

Anyone can see this is the reality so-called conservatives are unable to confront: they are people who cannot be monetized, no matter how may faux boycotts of “woke” companies they pretend to engage in or how many times they swear their fealty to companies willing to swim around in their respective sewers with them.

And it means nothing that the most powerful people in the nation — federal politicians willingly leaning into the embrace of white nationalists and other fans of fascism — have expressed their support for “alternative” social media platforms. The ones still used by most people refuse to coddle extremists, whether they’re calling for the death of America because ISIS said so, or because Trump said so. Selling to bigots still isn’t big business, no matter what bigots may want to believe.

Everyone knows their money isn’t good here. Even more, they know they don’t even have the money — good or bad — to put where their outsized mouths are. RIP, fuckheads. You get what you pay for. And you pricks aren’t paying for shit. So when you start complaining you’re being “silenced” by “liberal” sites, at least have the balls to acknowledge that no one — not even your peers — feel you’re worth listening to.

And the supposedly “smartest person in any room anywhere” — the current owner/befouler of Twitter — hopefully realizes this. Not even the worst people on earth are willing to pay for the privilege of hanging out with the worst people on earth. If you want to run an exclusive club catering to neo-Nazis and the people that love them, just know that it’s always going to be an act of charity.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

So when you start complaining you’re being “silenced” by “liberal” sites, at least have the balls to acknowledge that no one — not even your peers — feel you’re worth listening to.

Eight dollars a month might buy them a checkmark and favored placement in replies, but it can’t buy them meaningful relevance⁠—and it’ll never buy them a decent personality.

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David says:

Re: Re:

Pretty sure that they are respectively comparable in their self-view about who is committing treason.

Now looking at court records, right-wingers are more prone to committing treason, sure, but that’s just because courts are still loaded with radical leftist judges in spite of the valiant efforts of the Federal Society and the GOP and other entities who understand that might makes right more thoroughly than anything else in the long run.

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Bloof (profile) says:

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Right wingers are more prone to committing treason because they are more prone to commiting treason. It has bugger all to do with the courts, it’s more down to people on the right realising they’ve come to the limits of what they can do with gerrymandering and voter supression and cannot retain power long term in a democratic system because the things they believe in are deeply unpopular with the majority of americans.

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Mick Jabber says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re

I mean,is it treason if you sign up for a republic under the auspices that anyone can leave at any time and then decide you want out about a 100 years later and the people you signed up with pull a gun on you and occupy your neighborhood for another 100 years without a single vote being taken on any of it and impose a system of government on you that you didn’t want through judicial activism without a single vote being cast only to then decide that they want a democracy instead of a republic and force that on you as well without a single vote being cast?

Because,uh, that’s kinda what’s happened here.

We don’t care if all of you cut your dicks off. In fact,I think that would be kinda funny. Just don’t get breast implants and go in the bathroom with our kids and rape them. Don’t put on makeup and then do a strip show in front of a room full of toddlers. I don’t think that’s a hard ask.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Before you start equating drag queens and trans people with pedophiles (which is an old-school anti-queer gimmick), you may want to look into the hashtag #NotADragQueen on Twitter. I bet you’ll be surprised at how many of the kinds of people who spout the same anti-queer bullshit as you have also been caught molesting children.

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Keroberos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

It’s a classic case of projection. The only people who believe that trans people or drag queens are only doing it because they want to rape people and molest children are the ones who would be doing it themselves if they thought they could get away with it (or at least they fantasize about doing it).

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Just don’t get breast implants and go in the bathroom with our kids and rape them. Don’t put on makeup and then do a strip show in front of a room full of toddlers.

Multiple examples of both of those happening, especially the strip show for toddlers, if you can. By the way, a restroom ban does not stop someone intent on rape from disguising themselves as the opposite sex.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Just don’t get breast implants and go in the bathroom with our kids and rape them.

Implants are irrelevant. Your kids are far more at risk when you take them to church to see the men in dresses than they are in any public restroom with a trans person.

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Mick Jabber says:

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Well,they’re a lot less likely to get CHARGED with doing a treason or insurrection for doing a protest,but that’s just because right-wingers aren’t hysterical hormone-imbalanced man-children who wet their pants every time someone disagrees with them or yells at them because they’re used to being on the receiving end of liberals having a psychotic tantrum about whatever fake gibberish the “expert” teleprompter readers on the television told them about cow farts causing a climate apocalypse or some fake crap about how having the same laws and policies that the United States had in the 1970’s would be the 3rd coming of the 4th Reich or whatever.

Being charged with doing an insurrection by a partisan extremist isn’t the same thing as “doing an insurrection”. NOT getting charged with doing an insurrection by the same partisan extremist judge when your actions were the same or worse than people that he DID charge with “doing an insurrection” on multiple occasions is NOT the same thing as NOT “doing an insurrection”.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I’m still new to commenting around here, and maybe I’m bastardizing basic logic based on half-remembered statistics but:

African-Americans are charged and convicted above the norm in the US.
And, African-Americans are more likely to be involved in left-wing protests.
Therefore, left-wing protestors are more likely to be charged and convicted.

Is that right, everyone?

Spunjji (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Internal logic: absent

You can’t even make your ranting consistent with itself within the space of a single paragraph, let alone in the face of reality.

How, for instance, would being emotionally fragile, physically weak and thoroughly deluded result in people committing treasonous acts not being arrested? The Jan 6th folks hit all of those in a row and plenty of them got mopped up, so…

Mentally incompetent says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Nice try azzzhole

This is pure comedy of a way to communicate. The lies is what gets me! Grow the hell up and find some balls. No one is mad at the incompetent dickhead who needs a female to pay for his every need and want booloco the 46 year old pimp who refuses to do right by his kids

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re : other social media

I’ve been enjoying using the Fediverse (Mastodon in particular) for a while since the Twitter meltdown. I’ve found the combination of federated services (rather than silo’d) plus the really solid content moderation options strike a good balance on flexibility vs. usability. You can curate your feed such that you can restrict your stuff to a small group of friends, rant wildly into the void, create a big echo chamber, or create a feed that allows you a variety of opinions without having to deal with extremists on either side. It’s still pretty young and underfunded, so it’s not as smooth an experience as a for-profit giant, but there’s no ads, no algorithm pushing unwanted content, and you have a lot more power as a user. YMMV of course.

Who Cares (profile) says:

Re:

I really would like to be able to live in your world.

Those export controls are not there to prevent exports to the worst people in the world, they are there to prevent exports to the people/nations that aren’t considered sufficiently loyal or useful (with different levels of rubber stamping based on perceived loyalty/usefulness).

Anonymous Coward says:

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Bravo!

Compare that to the US, where same-sex marriage was federally outlawed in 1995. Struck down in 2015, sure. But there are still places in the US that do not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, and only grudgingly honor them when issued elsewhere, compelled to by Obergfell. … and not by legislation federally even today. … and Obergfell was mentioned as “should be revisited” in view of Dobbs, so yeah. Solid ground there.

The US has, of course, had women’s suffrage since 1920, so Switzerland has a faster track record from the one to the other.

… though I’m not really sure how those relate. They are both… woke? So, how about prohibition (and the repeal thereof)? Also woke?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Coyne (and his company, Starboard) have realized catering to degenerates is never going to generate profit.

On the contrary that’s been a working for a number of companies.

Find a niche audience the rest of the world reviles or doesn’t care for > ??? > Profit is how the Usenets, Craiglists , 4chans, Seeking Arragnements, etc. of the world got started.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Under moot, or under the new owner?

moot at least managed to bring it to the break-even stage. The new owner promptly dumped a bunch of data-harvesting bots to sell the collected data.

Let’s just say that this is actually better than what most “conservative” social media sites actually do…

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Anonymous Coward says:

I don't know about monetizing them...

but you sure can con the heck out of them. We see this every day, to the tens of millions of dollars… it seems that the gullible fools who flock to the racism, bigotry, and other hates, online and on cable TV, are like an ATM for grifters. One might think eventually they would catch on. But no, not yet… fools and money, rapidly parted.

sumgai (profile) says:

Re: Doors being shown to....

About that ‘people think you’re an asshole, and are showing you the door’…

(Not directed at the OP, simply speaking in general.)

1A guarantees you the right to be an asshole, true. But riddle me this: why do you suppose we have the word “asshole” in our language in the first place? Could it be that we use it to describe a person who closely and undeniably resembles the dirtiest part of our anatomy? And in modern society, dirt (of any sort) is not desirable, except to stand on while playing sports like football, etc. In other words, to be blunt as though I were speaking to a third grader, I call you an asshole to ensure that you know, beyond a doubt, that I don’t wish to associate with you, nor have you anywhere near me while I go about my lawful occasions.

So why is that someone desires to be called an asshole? I dunno, that’s for the psychologists and psychiatrists to puzzle out, but in my experience, I think they had a highly skewed upbringing. Either that, or they suffered from aphaghaniahephis disease as a kid, and still haven’t gotten over it. All I know is that until we develop a vaccine for it, and force everyone to take it shortly after birth, then this society is on shaky ground.

And currently it’s about 2.5 on the Richter scale, and increasing at a non-linear rate….

sumgai (profile) says:

Clarity

Come on, Stephen, I thought I was pretty clear – I don’t know what causes an asshole to literally like being an asshole, but I do know two things:

a) assholes cause societal ills, especially when they gain power;
and
b) the number of assholes is increasing, seemingly exponentially.

Commensurate with b), that increase is causing our society to become even more polarized, a sure sign of no desire to at least get along, if compromise can’t be agreed upon. Any such compromises or agreements are a thing of the past, and will remain so for the foreseeable future. And that’s my definition of “shaky ground”.

All in my opinion, of course.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Sites like Pornhub make money, so you clearly can profit from people who are less than ideal human beings.

I think the main problem with the dedicated conservative or fascist sites is that enough people don’t want places where only politics are discussed. They want to talk about cooking, and cats, and movie stars, and also sometimes politics. If a site is going to set itself up as the place where everything is about worshipping Trump, it’s naturally going to attract only a tiny subset of potential users.

As for the $8 users, liberal sites like DailyKos and Talking Points Memo also rely on subscribers to stay in business, as do NPR and individual public radio stations. You can survive that way if you’re careful about controlling costs and develop a decent base of like-minded enthusiasts.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Sites like Pornhub make money, so you clearly can profit from people who are less than ideal human beings.

People who watch porn⁠—and who make porn⁠—are not “less than ideal” people because you have a puritanical bug up your ass about people having sex for purposes other than procreation.

the main problem with the dedicated conservative or fascist sites is that

…those spaces don’t have people that the assholes who inhabit such spaces want to confront/harass/threaten. Thinking it’s anything else is overthinking.

liberal sites like DailyKos and Talking Points Memo also rely on subscribers to stay in business, as do NPR and individual public radio stations

So far as I know, those sites don’t do “verification” like Twitter (either before or after Musk fucked it up). They’re also not social media sites like Twitter. And to my knowledge, they’re also not in billions of dollars of debt and failing to make a dent in it with $8 subscriptions that relatively nobody is buying (and some people are actively rejecting). But sure, compare those sites to Twitter again if it makes you feel better to take potshots at “liberal establishments” or whatever.

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