How Bluesky’s Invite Tree Could Become A Tool To Create Better Social Norms Online
from the trust-through-vouching dept
At this moment, Bluesky has caught lightning in a bottle. It’s already an exciting platform that’s fun and allows vulnerable communities to exist. This sense of safety has allowed folks to cut loose, and people are calling it a “throwback to an earlier internet era.” I think that’s right, and in some respects that retro design is what is driving its success. In fact, one aspect of its design was used pretty extensively to protect some of the internet’s early underground communities.
As an Old, I realize I need to tell a story from the internet of yore to give context. Before streaming, there was rampant downloading of unlicensed music. This was roughly divided into two camps: those that just didn’t want to pay for music, and those that wanted to discover independent music. I’d argue the first camp were not true music fans since they just refused to pay artists. The other camp was more likely to have run out of discretionary income because of their love for artists. Music discovery was simply not something that could be done on the cheap before streaming because you only had radio, MTV (for a bit), and friends’ collections to hear new music. My strategy was to find a cool record shop and ask what they were listening to. I’d also vibe-check the album art and take a chance (something I still do). Even then it wasn’t enough, and I wasted a lot of money. Enter OiNK.
OiNK filled a unique niche in internet culture around music fandom. It would expressly discourage (and sometimes ban) popular artists. It also encouraged community discovery and discussion. At any given moment you could grab something from the top 10 list and know it was the coolest of the cool in independent music (even though you’ve probably never heard of the band). It was probably where hipsters started to get annoying. We were like Navi from Legend of Zelda to our friends: “Hey, Listen!” Trent Reznor called it “the world’s greatest record store.”
OiNK also had a problem. Even though many independant and upcoming artists liked – and even profited from – the discovery these sites and forums enabled, it was still something the industry as a whole was bringing the hammer down on. OiNK’s solution to this problem was to be invite only. Not only was it invite only, if you invited someone that was trash you would be punished for it. Invites were earned by participating in the community in positive ways, and your standing was lowered if your invitee was not great. A leach if you will. This somehow just worked.
The invite system was brutal, but it created a sense of community and community policing that made the place great. Importantly, these community standards existed with anonymity – something many try to argue is not possible. The person who gave me an invite had me promise I would read the rules and follow them, and they would check in on me. By being a bad user I wouldn’t just let myself down, I would let them down.
Bluesky, intentional or not, uses its invite system in a similar way. Currently invites are scarce and public. That’s created a huge incentive to only invite people that will make Bluesky more enjoyable. It also increases the stakes when someone crosses the line. When things go wrong, I’ve seen those that have invited the people responsible want to be part of the solution. I’ve also seen people who crossed the line want to rejoin and agree to norms for the sake of a positive Bluesky community. People seem to have a real stake in making Bluesky the good place. As someone who used to manage a small online community, I cannot express how cool that is if it continues at scale.
That isn’t to say this system is without flaws. There has always been a problem in every community about what to do with righteous anger. I’ll refer to this as the Nazi-punching problem. Punching Nazis might be a social good generally, but specifically it’s never that simple. There really is no way to sort the righteous from the cruel, especially at scale, and real people are rarely cartoonishly evil. But there is still an inclination in communities of a certain size to engage in what is perceived as justifiable conflict, which can escalate quite rapidly. That creates a moderation problem compounded by the sophistication of trolls in working the refs and compounded again by the consequences of any actions echoing up invite chains. When the repercussions of conflicts are felt by both sides, it’s often the marginalized communities that feel it greater. Edgelords targeting individuals while hiding behind decorum is something they try to do on every platform ever.
Fortunately, this problem might be solved by another feature of Bluesky. While the invite system encourages people to build communities with a stake in the project, the AT Protocol allows users to build the moderation tools they need to then protect their own communities. Unfortunately, these tools aren’t online yet and we don’t know how they will work. I think we will soon see things like ban lists that people could subscribe to that cuts out toxicity root and branch. That would be so much easier than #blocktheblue, which is very much a pain in practice. Beyond that there will probably be custom algorithms that are weighted towards certain communities and content that people can switch between.
There is a part of me that is slightly uncomfortable at the power some of these tool providers will have. It will probably lead to fragmentation of Bluesky into more distinct communities that can, at their option, venture out into more troubled waters. But at the same time, there was something good about the days when communities were small enough that people could grow inside them. Maybe we shouldn’t be forced to interact with people that specifically want to annoy us. Maybe having a stake in the community you are in, at a size you can appreciate, is good actually. And having a choice in algorithms is infinitely better than being forced to read what people who pay $8 have to say.
Matthew Lane is a Senior Director at InSight Public Affairs.
Filed Under: content moderation, invite tree, invites, trust, vouching
Companies: bluesky, oink


Comments on “How Bluesky’s Invite Tree Could Become A Tool To Create Better Social Norms Online”
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Ok
-Worlds greatest open platform (the internet): check
-free speech: check
-now let’s add a pinch of segregation by only allowing group think Luddites: Chef’s kiss
Volia
Openness for the sake of like minded aggregation…sounds like any other gated community to me.
I’m gonna create the world’s first social app for the antisocial. I’ll call it: jus.dont
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I assume with an attitude like that you leave your car and house doors unlocked for all comers? You never know what viewpoints you’re silencing segregating them from your house after all.
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People are entitled to form communities that are as open or closed as they see fit. You are not entitled to intrude into spaces that choose to exclude you.
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So why are you still here after being told to leave?
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…says the asshole who refuses to leave when told he’s not welcome. Do you get off sexually from shitting up this place or something?
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Well at least you’re on board with safe spaces. That’s not nothing, I guess
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But you can laugh at them from the outside. The most risible are also the ones whose inhabitants become the most furious when laughed at.
Ain’t no maybe, baby: No one should be forced to interact with trolls, bigots, and assholes. As I’ve said before, moderation is community curation—and if you want a better community, you need quality moderation.
Also, I definitely prefer smaller communities to larger ones. No one should have to worry about a 10,000-person pile-on for posting something stupid.
Any real moderation tool should account for and deal with snowflakeness. Some people are just damn too sensitive and may actually create more trouble than the person they feel offended by. Overreaction can be a big problem. Moderation tools should not cater to people with fragile egos and instead encourage them to grow thick skins and encourage them to play nice too.
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You’re right, they shouldn’t. That’s why any good form of moderation won’t let bigots, trolls, and assholes decide that only the speech they’re comfortable with should be the speech that doesn’t get moderated.
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Moderation tools account for nothing. They’re… tools.
Rose colored glasses
“I’d argue the first camp were not true music fans since they just refused to pay artists.”
That’s your memory bullshitting you. Music companies were gouging $20-50 a CD with only a few good songs(mostly filler songs), $5-10 a single. Then they raised prices when pirating got in full swing. There were a lot of poor people out there that WANTED to pay, but music was something for people with money.
Apple broke the pirating trend by offering $1/song. Pirating calmed down quite a bit.
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And how much of that went to the artists after the labels took all the deductibles that they loaded onto the artists base share of sales income?
It can't stay nice at scale.
As someone who used to manage several small online communities myself (BBSs, mailing lists, discussion forums), I learned the hard way that people crave conflict. But then, I may just be spewing sour grapes here because I don’t know anyone who can invite me to join Bluesky. It’s starting to strike me as not safe so much as elitist — which may very well be deliberate just to generate excitement, but it’s going to backfire if they don’t kick open the doors soon. (That’s something else to consider: resentment from the hoi polloi; waiting lists piss people off — even nice people.)
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TechDirt has learned nothing?
Way to talk up and promote Bluesky, created by the same guy who created the Twitter mess and then helped the new owner make it an intolerable cesspool of hate.
Is TechDirt aware of developments at other platforms that are shaping up to be decent Twitter replacements Post.news and Spoutify?
Or maybe the staff here is comprised of cis white guys who can’t grasp the harm Dorsey has done to marginalized communities.
Whatever the reason, this completely uncritical enthusiasm is messed up..
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Shhhh, JohnDrake!
Your comment might get flagged for disagreeing with the clan that Techdirt has become.
Shhhhhh!
I for one welcome the continued, politically unified/censored (if not bought), group think.
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People can disagree with what they believe is the orthodoxy of this site/its commentariat without being assholes about it, you know.
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Say fact free stupid shit, reap the benefits…
Behave like an entitled asshole, reap the benefits…
If you don’t understand the basics of making a cogent argument, you may reap the benefits…
You didn’t make a cogent argument, you reap the benefits.
Re: Moderate this!
Here, have a personalized example of community moderation….
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What Twitter mess are you referring to? And how did Dorsey help Musk run Twitter into the gutter?
Are you aware that TechDirt has such articles that mention alternatives to Twitter?
Maybe you are an idiot who says a lot of stupid things without substance? Oh, and what harms have Dorsey done?
So tell us what’s wrong with Bluesky, give specific criticisms based on facts.
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“It doesn’t give me top placement in the replies like Twitter does!” — mfs who paid $8 for Twitter, probably
Lying and anonymity
None of these elitist features (invites and checkmarks) will ever do anything to achieve the desired goal of a safe space public square where people can talk freely civilly respectfully without fear of retribution.
Because none of these apps even attempt to do the two things necessary.
Prohibit Lying
Prohibit anonymous accounts.
In a public square no one can lie, because liars are immediately called out and confronted with the truth.
In a public square your identify is specifically required in order to establish credibility for what you say. No one in the public square stands up to speak wearing a hood.
As long as these glorified for profit user data selling Algorithm moderated anonymous hate-speech driven op-ed microblogs continue to allow anonymous users to lie, and get away with it, nothing will change.
I don’t mind paying to speak my piece in a public square. But I want the right to sue someone for defamation or threatening my safety after hearing what I said.
I’m no longer my true Identity on any social media (including this comment) because I have been threatened for what I have said.
The problem is lying and anonymity.
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that’s cute, that you believe that
…but it’s WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
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2 stupid dogs, right?
SSDD
I have been on BBS, Mailing Lists, Forums, mod on a software help/develop/test product Forum (still a mod).
Any invite only community I took time to use had low survival rate. Twitter was quite fun and useful when it had the “those microblog nerds” label. As soon as the celebrities, politicians, and others moved in IRC on meth is what it became.
I do not think there will be Bluesky in my future.