Elon Musk Is Running Scared From Mastodon; Cuts Off The Best Tool For Finding Your Twitter Followers There
from the trying-to-lock-the-barn-doors dept
People keep claiming that Mastodon isn’t scaring Elon Musk, but it’s pretty clear that he’s worried about the exodus of people from Twitter. With his bizarrely short-sighted decision to end free access to the Twitter API, driving developers over to Mastodon, some people realized that the various tools that people use to find their Twitter followers on Mastodon are likely to be cut off. It’s unclear if this was part of the motivation for ending free access to the API, but it did create a surge in people checking out those tools. But then, last night, just hours after the API announcement, Elon’s Twitter cut off API access to Movetodon, which was the nicest, easiest to use tool for finding and following your Twitter followers on Mastodon.
As when Musk cut off third party client developers, the company has not said what rule Tibor actually broke with Movetodon. And that’s likely because he wasn’t actually breaking any rules at all.
It’s just that Musk is running scared, because he knows people are leaving.
Either way, if you haven’t yet set up a Mastodon account, and you’d like to more easily find your Twitter follows and followers who have already moved over (and found it much better than Twitter), you should probably do so soon before Musk cuts off those other services as well.
The two other popular ones after Movetodon were Debirdify and Fedifinder. They seem to be working right now, but I’m assuming not for long. Almost certainly not after Musk institutes his fees for API access. So, even if you don’t plan on using Mastodon for now, it might make sense to set up an account before these tools disappear.
Filed Under: api, debirdify, elon musk, fedifinder, followers, movetodon, tools
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Ha! Science couldn’t even figure out the cause of obesity. I seriously doubt they can 1+1 mixing with mental illness on social caused mental illness in that generation (ie eating empty calories is just like reading empty data. It serves no purpose).
Its just like SPAM and email with twitters explaination. It costs nothing and its easy to automate bots.
The era of broken English only has the uneducated speaking broken English.
Re: What?
I’d suggest that an AI chatbot wrote this comment, but I’m pretty sure an AI would have come a lot closer to making a point even tangentially related to the article.
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I am not sure why you’re harping on the obesity thing as if it matters, but scientists have managed to figure out that our sedentary lifestyle, coupled with all the food we eat, is a big contributing factor towards obesity.
But uh, you do you.
And so we approach the end...
No bots that admit they’re bots (there’ll certainly still be bots), no third-party clients that make the interface usable, more and more people turning away from the service and thus sapping the lifeblood of Twitter . . . it’s really quite something, you have to work hard to untangle the network effect, but Musk sure seems to be managing it!
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Fun story that just happened to me…
I wanted to report an adbot as an adbot, but it appears that commercial spam is NOT one of the things you can report spammy comments for anymore.
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I think it’s been said here before; you can tell a lot by whether a wall is meant to keep people out or to keep people in.
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Not sure why your comment got flagged, but Toom1275 later posted the exact quote from Elon.
Elon’s recent actions with Twitter are akin to building a wall to push current Twitter users out even as his words suggest that he wants people to stay in.
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TD is one of the few places where he can espouse his particular brand of “me, me, me and fuck everyone else” without getting booted and that means he get flagged on sight because people are tired of him shitting TD’s comment section up, it doesn’t really matter what he actually says any longer.
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They like flagging me because I unflaggingly oppose woke ideology, be it on cancel culture, gender, race, or immigration. It both smacks of desperation and is obviously useless, given that you read the post anyway. But woke ideologues try to censor as much as they can wherever they can. I’m used to it. They also do a lot of cursing at me. If I didn’t find all this fun, I would leave, but it’s actually quite amusing to repeatedly tell hare-brained, obstinate people that they’re wrong.
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…said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
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So, Hyman.
Show me Mike’s lawsuit telling you to stop then.
Re: Re: Re: At this rate I'm going to have to macro a responce.
” woke ideology,” X2
Thats another tenner X2 donation.
We honestly thank you for you ‘unflagging” support of trans youth charities.
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yeah, cancel culture, or, as people in reality land like to call it “the consequences of your actions”
ya know, like, do the crime, do the time, i believe the saying was in the 70s 🙂
yeah, this woke thing, its so new! all the ideas from it go clear back to the like 1700s 🙂
(seriously, at one point in the 17-1800s being trans or homosexual was a death sentence in most of europe) 🙂
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AH a busted ass hyman, I thought I smelled failure.
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Monopoly Power
Once again, we’re seeing that Twitter DID have a near monopoly on microblogging. Simply having an alternative microblogging site isn’t good enough. Instead, the real value of a social media platform is its userbase and the network effect. You can’t simply build an alternative platform without those.
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Twitter being the most popular service for microblogging doesn’t make it the only service for microblogging. Popularity alone does not a monopoly make.
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That’s true, but many monopolies aren’t actually strict monopolies if you look closely enough. I think it would be fair to say that of the specific kind of thing Twitter does, it has a sufficiently pre-eminent position that even if it isn’t strictly speaking a monopoly, it has both monopolistic incentives and monopolistic means.
Which is close enough to a monopoly for the discussion section on a blog.
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I think it would be fair to say that of the specific kind of thing Twitter does, it has a sufficiently pre-eminent position that even if it isn’t strictly speaking a monopoly, it has both monopolistic incentives and monopolistic means.
And that would be…?
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Broadcast microblogging, I guess would be the most succinct way to describe it? You see Twitter embeds all over the internet; something like a direct Tumblr feed is much less common.
By analogy you could think about something like search, where there are very clearly flat out direct competitors to Google but Google’s market position is nevertheless monopolistic.
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Just because people do not use the readily available alternatives does not a monopoly make, as there is nothing stopping them from doing so.
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It’s flatly incorrect that there’s ‘nothing stopping them’, because that kind of market share convergence doesn’t happen without barriers to switching, which can and does go up to simply having a product people are already used to.
And once you’ve captured a significant proportion of a market, and particularly in areas prone to natural monopolies via the network effect, you have monopolistic incentives that lead to monopolistic practices.
A monopoly doesn’t have to be enforced by government fiat in order to be very real.
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If Twitter went down tomorrow, that would not kill microblogging on the Internet. Plenty of options for that kind of social media experience already exist. Plenty of options for other kinds of social media experiences also exist (e.g., Tumblr). And plenty of options for any kind of communications on the Internet also already exist (e.g., Discord, email).
Twitter is not the be-all end-all of Internet communication. Continuing to claim it’s a monopoly when it clearly isn’t one in any way, shape, or form won’t make your argument any stronger.
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What a silly response. Options exist even under fully regulated monopolies where an option is technically illegal, so if that’s where you’re hanging your hat no monopoly can ever exist in the first place.
What matters, here, is whether you can leverage market dominance in anti-competitive ways. Microsoft could, and did. Google can, and does. Amazon can, and does. And I would say that Twitter can, and does.
People are leaving now, because it’s finally become more painful to eat the costs of staying than switching, but if there weren’t costs and counter-incentives to switching it would’ve happened far sooner and Twitter would not have become the prominent system it is today.
The network effect, which I’m pretty sure everyone here is familiar with, is a primary example of what I’m talking about here.
You think that’s not a barrier to moving over to some new social setup? Come on. That a barrier isn’t some locked in contract or law doesn’t make it any less real.
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The evidence, then.
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Please cite the evidence that backs up this claim.
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I mean, this article is literally about Twitter trying to do anticompetitive stuff. Are we reading the same thing?
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That Twitter was popular enough to benefit from the network effect didn’t make it a monopoly in any sense since they didn’t in any way try to edge out the competition by using that advantage, ie just because a service is popular doesn’t make it a monopoly.
The action Twitter/Musk have taken recently doesn’t make it a monopoly either in any way but it was certainly anti-competitive in some sense, just like how any business try to silo their services to make it harder for users to switch to alternatives. But that doesn’t work if there are actual alternatives that provide the same or near the same type of functionality, especially if the siloing removes functionality people already had. In this instance Twitter’s action made the net cost of moving to an alternative media platform much lower which isn’t actually anti-competitive, it’s just bad for their business.
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Twitter being a monopoly would require it to display anti-competitive behavior. But Twitter being anti-competitive in re: the API doesn’t make Twitter a monopoly.
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If Twitter was anywhere close to a monopoly, Elon’s antics would not have had the results they are having, and that is people increasingly using the alternatives.
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Okay then, I’m gonna stream me blogging on IRC.
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Did you somehow forget that loads of either sites exist for this purpose?
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*other sites
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Hey Koby,
Considering that you thought Facebook could use §230 to dismiss a lawsuit against Facebook’s own speech…
Basically it tells me that you have no idea of what you are talking about and anything you say can be easily disregarded as a stinking pile of 💩.
Just sayin…
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That you used DID shows that it did not a monopoly have, as if it did users would not be fleeing to other sites.
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So, what was Mastodon, and a whole host of other places including Blogger and Tumblr then? Chopped liver?
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Don;t make me make up another song about you, little coward.
No more important rule
As when Musk cut off third party client developers, the company has not said what rule Tibor actually broke with Movetodon. And that’s likely because he wasn’t actually breaking any rules at all.
On the contrary, it clearly violated the most important rule of them all:
Rule 0: Don’t make Elon feel bad and/or stupid.
An app where the entire purpose is to make people leaving Twitter easier is a clear attack on Elon’s ego and as such must be stopped.
Banning bots from using the API is going to kill a good chunk of Twitter’s content—especially news accounts and “[animal] every [timeframe]” accounts. The big players might pay, but the smaller ones won’t; when that content goes away, so will the users. Maybe they go to Masto, maybe not, but they’ll leave either way.
I’m more convinced than ever before that Elon is trying to kill Twitter on purpose. Only that could explain why he’s doing this shit.
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I’m more convinced than ever before that Elon is trying to kill Twitter on purpose. Only that could explain why he’s doing this shit.
I’m still leaning towards dunning-kruger and ego as the explanation in that he thinks he’s way smarter than he actually is, fired anyone who might say otherwise and/or knows better and is incapable of admitting that anything he’s done was the wrong move.
That said given how petulant he seems to be I wouldn’t put tanking the company on purpose out of bounds.
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I’m convinced that destroying Twitter was his goal from the moment he announced his intent to buy Twitter. That he was essentially forced to buy Twitter and tank his own finances gives me a little solace for the day of the inevitable shutdown.
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Suppose it’s impossible to know for sure either way at this point, the only given is that Twitter is doomed to crash and burn just like every other ‘alternative’ social media platform.
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Not necessarily. I suspect that most other platforms do not make a practice of not paying the rent and pulling the plugs on racks full of servers. Twitter may just wake up one morning as a domain name that does not resolve.
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It’s beginning as some of their redirecting stuff is broken…
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Wouldn’t that just be the ultimate punchline to the site under Elon’s reign, the site shutting down because Elon showed that he’s less capable of running a social media platform than the people that run the likes of Gab and Trump Social.
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I’d peg it to when Twitter sued to force Musk to buy it.
Being deeply personally spiteful about being compelled to do something is something that’s very clear in his actions over the years.
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Musk was never fprced to buy twitter. He forced twitter to cell.
Musk had to be forced to pay what he willfully agreed to. Much like he’s still doing now stiffing everyone from housekeepimg to landlords.
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OK, sure, but you know precisely what I meant so I dunno why you’re going in on the pedantry there.
Re: Re: Re:4 Pedantry
I find it’s best to say what you mean to say if you don’t want pedants to correct you. Saying something slightly different gives them that chance.
You know what I mean.
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just look at Netflix. WB/HBO/AT&T.
Musk thinks he has a golden touch. Everyone says so.
Hes following a standard american business strategy. The problem, is hes using strats that worked because he was the only realistic EV option, the only private company with reliable spaceflight. But he failed in solar and he’ll fail in social media, because he fails to understand that he has real competition in this space.
-Elon Musk
New Techdirt backend question:
Is the backend treating all “anonymous coward” people as if they were one entity?
I’ve gotten a fair number of “429 too many requests” errors when hitting “post comment” after a couple minutes of writing a post (and maybe having previewed it once). … which seems strange if it was able to distinguish between the HTTP clients of cowards.
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I see that occasionally too. It’s probably not related to being an AC since that’s an http error (which likely has no clue about your login or lack there of).
Opening a page, reading the article, then spending a few minutes to post a comment is… too long of a time frame to legitimately be too many requests.
However I have no explanation other than maybe bad hosting service.
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It might not just be the hosting service, but also whoever coded up the platform. M0nths later, preview and flag still do not work, at least with javascript turned off.
The coding is likely relatged to the hosting service, but there may be separate teams.
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Yeah. Those are probably the biggest things I miss about the old site.
I think Mike indicated they were looking into fixing “some of the bugs”, but I don’t recall seeing any indication of which ones.
You don’t need to be scared of rats to set traps. It’s enough if their appetite affects your bottom line.
Though if things work out like they do with rats, Musk will have to move on to poison. Pack intelligence.
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Nah, Elon IS the poison.
And he already brought MORE poison to Twitter with his shenanigans.
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Jesus, are the bots coming here now?
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Matthew’s been here for months.
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The spambots?
They were always here.
The usual suspects?
Same, just not as pleasant.
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I guarantee you no one is “worried” about Mastodon
Least of all Musk. Its initial “rush” was a pittance, and its lost active users over the last two months, not gained them. That kinda momentum once lost rarely if ever comes back.
The reality is Musk shut off all the APIs because he thought that should be monetized (perhaps rightly). He almost certainly doesn’t give a shit about this migration tool in particular except that, were he aware of it, what benefit is there to allowing it?
Stop trying to make Mastodon happen, it’s never going to happen. (And your pitiful reach would be unlikely to affect it anyway)
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Why are you so afraid of Mastodon?
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beat me by 3 minutes..
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He’s still in the denial phase
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Mastodon big. Big feet. Big tusks. Stompy. Scary.
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you know, his fervent denials sound to me like cable company CEOs saying “cord cutting isn’t happening” and “Once millennials start having babies the will all come crawling back”.
Re: Re: 'They just left rather than be harassed, that's not fair!'
Because it’s no fun being an asshole if you’re in a room with nothing but assholes, and if there are viable alternatives to Twitter then people will increasingly start using those instead and Twitter will turn into yet another failed ‘alternative’ social media platform where it’s just horrid people surrounded by others just like them and even they don’t enjoy that.
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Why are you so afraid of Mastodon?
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Supposing that were true, Musk doesn’t seem very experienced with monetizing a social media platform, especially one which gained so much value from free third-party clients and utility bots.
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Given your pitiful reach here why do you comment at all? Because it’ll feed into your falsely victimized mentality every time people hide your nonsense for being nonsense? You have the right to say whatever you want and we have the right to tell you to stop wasting our time with your perpetual bad faith nonsense.
And speaking of bad faith nonsense, wasn’t it Musk who said putting up walls to keep consumers in place is for losers and yet he put up a wall before third party APIs. Which will, hilariously, cause him to lose more users when actually useful bots that used the API stop functioning and the people that came to Twitter for the information they curated will have nothing to come to Twitter for except for all those genius ideas that have been unleashed since Musk took over. You know that idea, umm, there has to be at least one good idea that has come about since Twitter was bought by Musk and the free speech revolution happened. You know, that lovely free speech where you ban people that criticize you because conservative bloggers sucked up to you and asked to ban them? That’s the epitome of free speech and you should be sooooooo proud of Elon for being such an avocado of free peaches!
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Mastodon continues to grow day by day. Yes, some of the big burst of people from December didn’t stick around, but actual usage and activity continues to grow, and new users keep coming. More importantly, new developers are building better and better tools, which would lead to more people coming over, especially as Musk makes Twitter impossible to develop for.
This would make sense IF he just shut off Movetodon next week when he kills free API access for everyone. He didn’t. He killed it last night, just as Mastodon got a new surge.
He’s terrified, Matthew. And you know it.
I’m not “trying to make it happen.” I’m observing that it’s happening. Already seeing how stories can go viral on Mastodon and drive as much traffic as Twitter ever did. And that will grow.
Meanwhile, if we’re talking about “pitiful reach” I saw your Twitter account after you tried to tweet at me the other day (thankfully, even Musk considered your account too pitiful to show me in my regular notifications, but because someone else responded to you, I saw their reply which lead to yours). So, yeah, just know that Musk “shadowbanned” you according to your own definition.
Much freedom. Very speech.
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daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn 🫢
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Mike, if Mastodon is so great, why don’t you delete your Twitter account, and Techdirt’s as well?
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With that comment I assume you only use services that you think are great and no others, so what the fuck are you doing here?
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Because there is no rule that says you can’t have both!
Besides, Twitter hasn’t fully shit the bed yet, so there is still some limited usefulness for it.
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Because I choose not to.
But, let me tell you a little story. For the past decade or so, I would spend literally hours a day on Twitter. Tweeting stuff. Retweeting stuff. Reading. It was may main source of news and conversation.
These days, I stop by once or twice a day, and never on weekends. And when I do tweet, it’s to remind people that the tweets I used to make I now make on Mastodon, to remind people of what’s happening there.
And, every time I do that, more people mention that they, too, are moving to Mastodon.
So, I do what I want to do, and there is no reason to get rid of my Twitter account. Perhaps, some day, Musk will realize what he’s done wrong and stop fucking it up. Or perhaps he’ll get bored and sell it to someone who fixes it. Or, who knows, perhaps people will keep reminding others that there is a better way, not owned by a guy who has no fucking clue what he’s doing, and they move to those other options.
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So while you’re shilling for Mastodon you admit that Twitter still provides such exceptional value to you that not only do you not delete your personal and business accounts, but you continue to actively use them! 😮
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Old Twitter had even more value, but Musk has been taking value away. I shall join you in congratulating Musk for lowering Twitter to 50% instead of 10%. (That’s not what you were doing, but what has Musk added to Twitter anyway?)
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a lot of debt?
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That take is about as spicy as year old pencil shavings disguised as black pepper.
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Twitter hasn’t shit the bed yet and still has some value.
Wether or not that value is exceptional is entirely debatable.
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Seems you lack both understanding whatt words mean and reading comprehension. You are of course free to tell us who pays Mike to promote Mastodon while also explaining why you think “no reason to get rid of my Twitter account” means “exception value”.
I can only conclude that you are either incredibly stupid or just made shit up to get some kind of strawman to attack. In the end it doesn’t really matter, because you have proven that your word isn’t worth a damn.
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Everyone here can read what I said, which shows that your summary is literally the opposite of what I said.
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Mike, if you really thought Mastodon was so awesome, and you really thought that Musk was on the ropes and Twitter in free fall b/c of his alleged incompetence, you’d go all-in and delete both your personal and business accounts. But instead, you continue to dopily create content for Twitter, including posting via the Techdirt account as recently as only a few hours ago!
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So you are here because you think Mike and Techdirt is awesome then, because if the opposite is true you should stop posting stupid things and just leave.
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For what reason should Mike act the way you think he should act instead of how he himself wants to act?
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You can continue to say stupid stuff all you want. As you can see from the responses, no one thinks you’re making sense. My Twitter usage has greatly diminished. It makes no sense to me to delete my accounts there, so I have not. I have greatly decreased my posting there, and mainly just use it to remind people of what they’re missing elsewhere, which is a way more effective thing to do than whatever it is you laughably think you’re trying to bully me into.
But, go on, keep making a fool of yourself here. It’s better than what’s on Netflix.
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Yes Mike, we’re in a very symbiotic relationship you and I, as my provocative comments compel you to respond and energize the TD commentariat (rallying the troops in your defence and creating entertaining energy below the line!).
Yet you continue to post on Twitter, which belies your claims that the service has been degraded by Musk’s ownership.
Oh please. In all the years I’ve followed TD (especially to include Tim’s great reporting on the crimes of the US security state), I don’t think you’ve ever degraded yourself by moaning about allegedly being bullied by a reader?… Even Ken would laugh at you for resorting to this!!
What I (and a few other commentators (though I’m the most articulate)) are doing here is challenging you to explain your vendetta against Musk-as-Twitter-owner in terms that make clear what you think has gone wrong with Twitter since Musk took over. I’m a long-time Twitter user, for almost as long as I’ve read TD, and not only has my experience using the site not been worsened by Musk’s takeover, it’s actually improved, since I’m able to access more controversial and stimulating content than before.
It’s clear you think Musk is a scumbag, but how does that have anything to do w/ the user experience on Twitter??
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No, it doesn’t. Accurately observing that a service has degraded doesn’t automatically mean completely cutting ties with said service, if there’s still some sort of value to be had from it.
To many people, the degradation meant that it made more sense to leave. To Mike, it doesn’t yet. And you’re an idiot for trying to tell him how he should handle his Twitter account.
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Re: Re: Re:8 Why leave if you can't even articulate what's wrong??
Please be specific in explaining what the “degradation” is that “many people” have experienced when using Twitter since Elon Musk took over.
I genuinely, humbly, and respectfully challenge all of the reflexive MM/TD defenders to articulate what they personally know about Twitter that is worse than before the Musk takeover.
I really do eagerly await your answers in as much detail as possible. Simply calling me an “idiot” or trying to belittle my comments by derisively comparing them to the worst content offered by Netflix won’t cut it!
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Going purely by people’s shared anecdotal experiences:
And now he’s about to ban all manner of bots from the service, including well-liked bot accounts like those of the “[animal] every [time period]” variety in addition to various news accounts that relied on the API to post updates and such.
But sure, keep thinking that everything on Twitter is better because you haven’t been personally affected by any of the Musk Era bullshit. I’m sure that’s going to be a great argument going forward~.
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Loss of free API access can have no other cause than complete lack of competence from twitter operations. Evidence points all the way to the very top.
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By “transphobic speech,” I take it you mean women bravely advocating for their sex-based rights?
It seems good that under Musk’s ownership of Twitter, women fighting to defend and reclaim their single-sex spaces from deviant trans-identifying biological males are now able to do so using plain, direct, honest language.
If I understand you correctly, you think this is bad, however, and it would be better for women to be prevented from speaking on at least some controversial topics?
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…said nobody mentally competent, ever.
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In the real world, it’s those with deranged obsessions with other peoples’ genitals like Hyaman Rosen who are most likely to spy on little girls in the bathroom, not women.
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On top of that, their obsession with the “men will dress up as women/claim they’re trans so they can get into women’s restrooms and rape ‘real’ women” hypothetical is a fantasy wherein people think a mere sign on the door is somehow going to stop a man from raping a woman in that restroom. (Seriously, it’s like they think the little “women” placard is a magical force field.) Besides, no one can point to any rise in such crimes, even (and especially) as a result of broadened acceptance/tolerance of trans people—and that’s regardless of whether an offender identified as trans before the criminal act.
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Recently saw someone so desperate to push brain-dead/anti-trans rage that they put out a “They’re putting stand-up urinals in the womens’ bathroom!” video which was both completely oblivious to the facts that a) it was a mens bathroom that was temporarily converted into a women’s while the other bathroom was being renovated, and b) she lacked the self-awareness to realize that she’s recording inside a public bathroom, far more a violation of privacy than the existence of trans people.
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Fuck off back to Hogwarts, Rowling-ite. Your anti-trans bigotry will win you no fans here.
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So you admit your lies are coming 100% from a position of willful ignorance, at best.
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You sound like a Creationist with all your bad-faith demands and false criteria for evidence.
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And your conspiracy hallucinations.
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Now that Mr stone has replied I eagerly await your apology for being a fucking idiot. Anything less won’t cut it bro.
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A non-exhaustive list includes:
Apparently, they also just rolled out an update to the iOS app that replaces the standard “Home” and “Latest” tabs with “For you” and “Following” tabs instead, making it more tiresome to see a simple chronological timeline. Ironically, Musk has previously expressed disdain for recommended content, so it’s weird that he would support rolling out an update that makes it more difficult to avoid it.
On a more meta level, you could also argue that Elon having people banned on a whim is a degradation of service.
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This has been such a wonderful, welcome, and surprisingly useful change to the way information was presented previously via iOS app.
Each time I browse the app via the “For you” arrangement I see new accounts that I didn’t know existed, discussing subjects as varied as postage stamps to air-to-air combat to humorous takes on ups and downs of modern dating (to give three recent examples!.
Really useful change and one that I greatly appreciate!
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Don’t lie to yourself, Matthew.
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…said no rational person, ever.
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I’d consider it more parasitic, given how this seems to be the only way you can get any kind of attention from anyone.
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Continuing to post but less frequently doesn’t in any way contradict Mike’s claims that Musk has degraded the service. “Degrade” doesn’t mean “make entirely useless”.
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You must not use the site very much then. It’s popping up errors left and right, and my feed is now filled with people I don’t follow and don’t care about spewing crypto spam, which I never saw before. Things keep breaking. The app I used to access Twitter (and make it more useful) no longer works. People I liked to follow have mostly left.
It’s a garbage dump of idiots and nonsense.
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So technically you weren’t even having a Twitter user experience…you were just reading tweets fed to you by a now-unauthorized, possibly malicious third party application? 😮
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…would say nobody mentally competent, ever.
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Yes, someone else was providing a better experience for Twitter than the native app, which means that he was using the site and contributing to its monetisation. Which he’s not contributing to at all now, because Musk decided to refuse that income stream.
Oh, and if an app is “malicious” simply because it’s using the public APIs, that’s a problem with whoever built the APIs, not the application. The only malicious thing here is the incompetent billionaire who seems to be speed running the destruction of as many revenue streams as possible while ensuring everyone knows it’s his choice to kill the service.
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Hey bro can you show us in the doll where you want Elon to touch you?
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That would actually take more effort than Twitter is actually worth. It costs nothing to maintain an account on Twitter. I still have a Facebook account that I never actually use.
Just because Twitter is going to die doesn’t mean it’s not worth the minimal effort of using on occasion.
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“Just because Twitter is going to die doesn’t mean it’s not worth the minimal effort of using on occasion.”
I occasionally use it for 2 purposes – to see if the people I’m interested in keeping up with have said anything about moving, and to laugh at the woefully uninformed and desperate attempts to spin Musk’s latest dumb move as a good thing. Its days as an actually useful tool are over, but that doesn’t mean it’s not useful for other means.
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Not EVERY part of Twitter is infested with the filth that the American portion is.
And last I checked, even the Japanese needed to know that alternatives exist.
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When you delete your account someone else can take the name and pretend to be you
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I’m not worried about Mastodon, Twitter, or any service.
I’m more worried about the people who use Twitter, though, and what happens if it does die.
And regardless of what you say or do (which is basically harassment according to ELON’S TWITTER), there are still a lot of other places where it’s hip to be social, including IRC, Blogger, Mastodon/ActivityPub instances, even email lists if I actually bothered to find some related to my interests.
Besides, if you’re so sure Mastodon is failing, why then do you have to keep saying it is, and then go on trying to harass one man who is just using his Twitter account to boost his Mastodon activity?
Maybe, just maybe, you’re a lot more insecure than the rich man who sucks up to autocrats who can and will murder him once he’s stopped being useful to them?
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Hmm. That makes me thing: IMHO it would be pretty neat to have a #techdirt IRC channel.
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“(And your pitiful reach would be unlikely to affect it anyway)”
And yet here you are…
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Only thing pitiful I see around here is your nose constantly up Elon’s ass.
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“The reality is Musk shut off all the APIs because he thought that should be monetized (perhaps rightly).”
Which is further proof that he doesn’t understand what he’s doing. Most bots are already monetised. They typically provide content and/or features to the site that people interact with, which drives traffic and thus ads.
He apparently thinks that monetising directly will be more profitable. But, this is unlikely to be the case. Most people who use the APIs are hobbyists or non-profits. They’re not using the APIs because the are making money from them themselves. Charge for the APIs, some will pay but the vast majority will simply not develop anything using the APIs. So, traffic drops, and as useful “sticky” features are removed from Twitter it gives users more reason to go elsewhere.
“Stop trying to make Mastodon happen, it’s never going to happen.”
It is happening. It might never reach the number of users that Twitter has, but it’s much more useful than Twitter is in its current state for many people. Also, what you people seem to forget quite often is that Mastodon is more than the service branded with that name. Quite a number of Twitter alternatives are built on the software on the backend, including Trump’s.
We might not see “Mastodon happen” in the sense that everyone jumps straight to it from Twitter. But, it’s a more desirable outcome that different types of user go to services that suit their needs anyway, rather than trying to battle each other on another site attempting to be “one size fits all”, and most of those will be using concepts proven by Mastodon, if not its software as a whole.
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