Will Elon Sue? NBC News Finds, Yet Again, That ExTwitter Has ‘Verified’ Neo-Nazi Accounts, With Ads Appearing Next To Their Content
from the free-speech-absolutism-sure-seems-different dept
Elon Musk does not seem to like it much when reports point out that ExTwitter appears to have a neo-Nazi issue. Of course, he could respond to these reports by noting that, as a “free speech absolutist,” that includes those who support Nazism, as distasteful as that is, but he stands by that horrific speech because of his belief in free speech.
That would suggest some sort of principles, even if you might consider them confused and distorted principles, at the very least.
However, the last few times organizations have pointed out the propensity of neo-Nazi content on ExTwitter, Elon Musk has done the opposite of committing to “free speech absolutism.” Instead, he’s sued those who reported on it. In August of last year, he sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH). That lawsuit was recently tossed out of court as an obvious SLAPP suit.
And then, in November, he sued Media Matters for its report on advertising from big companies appearing next to content posted by neo-Nazis. Actually, he sued them twice. Once in Texas and then again in Ireland. He also urged state Attorneys General to go after Media Matters as well, which both Texas’ Ken Paxton and Missouri’s Andrew Bailey have done. Just last week, the court blocked Paxton’s investigation as clearly an attempt to suppress free speech.
In other words, while Musk could have taken a “free speech absolutist” response to these claims, he has instead chosen to take a “I believe in free speech for neo-Nazis, but not for anyone who criticizes me” approach to these things.
And, look, if you’re looking to create chilling effects and silence other critics, that could work. In the Paxton ruling that came out last week, it was revealed that Media Matters has chosen not to publish other stories it was working on about ExTwitter out of fear of further legal action. That is the very definition of abusing state power to suppress speech.
However, such tactics can also backfire in a big way. After Musk sued Media Matters, we noted that it caused a lot more people to begin investigating neo-Nazis on ExTwitter.
And now, the latest is NBC News, which has published a report highlighting that it has found 150 verified accounts on the site pushing pro-Nazi content.
NBC News found that at least 150 paid “Premium” subscriber X accounts and thousands of unpaid accounts have posted or amplified pro-Nazi content on X in recent months, often in apparent violation of X’s rules. The paid accounts posting the content all consistently posted antisemitic or pro-Nazi material. Examples included praise of Nazi soldiers, sharing of Nazi symbols and denials of the Holocaust.
The pro-Nazi content is not confined to the fringes of the platform. During one seven-day period in March, seven of the most widely shared pro-Nazi posts on X accrued 4.5 million views in total. One post with 1.9 million views promoted a false and long-debunked conspiracy theory that 6 million Jews did not die in the Holocaust. More than 5,300 verified and unverified accounts reshared that post, and other popular posts were reshared hundreds of times apiece.
To be clear, Musk has every right to set his policies however he wants. And that can include not just allowing neo-Nazis to post bigoted, false, hateful propaganda on his site, but even to have their accounts “verified” (which, of course, no longer means “verified” in any real sense).
Also, given the number of users on ExTwitter (large, though shrinking), it’s entirely reasonable to argue that the company doesn’t realize it has all these neo-Nazi accounts, or that they are verified accounts. Many people wouldn’t believe that, but it’s also a possible explanation if the company doesn’t want to just flat out say “we’re the Nazi bar, all are welcome.”
Of course, as with the Media Matters’s report, NBC also found ads running on many of these accounts, including ads from some big name companies:
NBC News found ads running on 74 of the 150 premium accounts, either on their profile pages or in the replies below their posts. The advertisers included SiriusXM, The Hollywood Reporter and Cisco subsidiary Splunk. SiriusXM declined to comment. Penske Media, the owner of The Hollywood Reporter, declined to comment. Splunk did not respond to requests for comment sent by email.
Ads from other companies appeared among the search results for a Holocaust-denial hashtag.
Again, it’s entirely possible to argue that this is due to mistakes made in the vetting process. But, if that’s how Musk was going to argue this, he could have said that in response to Media Matters’ report a few months ago. Instead, he sued. Twice. And convinced states to open bullshit investigations.
So far, at least, ExTwitter hasn’t threatened to sue NBC News. The company whined that NBC only provided it with 13 examples, rather than the full 150. But, of course, it’s not NBC News’ job to help ExTwitter find the neo-Nazis on its platform:
Meanwhile, Elon has responded to an account claiming that the NBC story was debunked (it has not been) by effectively confirming the story and suggesting that 150 accounts is a pretty small number.
And, this is a perfectly reasonable response. But it would sound a lot more honest if Musk hadn’t sued two other organizations for reporting similar things. Also, at no point did NBC suggest that it had found all of the neo-Nazis posting on the site. Indeed, the article admits that it only did a relatively simple search and reported what it found.
Again, there are all sorts of ways that Musk and ExTwitter could respond to this, but so far, it’s choosing some of the silliest ways (though, at least Musk isn’t talking about lawsuits… yet).
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Comments on “Will Elon Sue? NBC News Finds, Yet Again, That ExTwitter Has ‘Verified’ Neo-Nazi Accounts, With Ads Appearing Next To Their Content”
Theory: Elon doesn’t want to get rid of all the Nazis, verified or otherwise, because it would largely dry up the replies to his tweets (and also cost him money).
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He doesn’t want to get rid of the Nazis because he wants to use Twitter to radicalise as many normies as possible before the elections or it becomes too much of a financial millstone for him to carry. Elon wants to normalise the beliefs of the worst kinds of sh*theads and shove the Overton window as far to the right as possible so the billionaire class face as little pushback as possible the next time that they Americans attempt to install a white nationalist dictator.
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While simultaneously claiming that he’s just a misunderstood moderate and the Overton window is so far to the left wing that he only looks right-wing by comparison. Methinks the owner doth protest too much.
The day after Elon made his first announcement about buying twitter or offering to buy it, I knew he would be the death of it. People talk about how you can sue for anything and everything under the sun here in the US. What they need to do is, people who file more than one obvious slapp suit has a fine of 5% of their yearly income and it goes to the person being slapped. Eventually they might learn.
So the article hasn’t been spiting so much nonsense and may have even be useful.
Maybe NBC should explain to Twitter how to make this kind of “relatively simple search” to find some problematic accounts.
Re: 'Don't talk to us, journalists!' 'Why won't journalists talk to us first?'
The same Twitter that spent a year autoresponding to journalists with a poop emoji? The same Twitter that still just shrugs in response to reports of hate speech from users while autocensoring the word cis? I’m sure they’d be suuuuper responsive to inquiries and suggestions from NBC.
Twitter's reply is disengenuous
There’s no need for NBC – or anyone else – to provide a list of Nazi accounts on Twitter. It’s trivially easy to find by typing “Nazi” into the search bar.
The point? Twitter KNOWS who the Nazis are. They get to stay because Elon loves them. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find out that he belongs to at least one Nazi organization.
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To wit: Dom Lucre, who was mentioned in the NBC article and was allowed back on Twitter after being suspended for posting CSAM to his public timeline.
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Dom Lucre, being black, is a fucking hypocrite.
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Who knows? The only guarantee here was that the si+e owner would pounce and serve up more anti-Musk hate speech!
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Your continued readership and commentary on such articles, spiteful though it may be, will only ever ensure that those articles keep being written and published.
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I think you would do well to use mouthwash. While we thankfully can’t smell it over the Internet, your lips’ frequent encounters with Mr. Musk’s anus have almost certainly left your breath smelling of fecal matter.
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What’s a si+e?
Is thar the scientific name of the prion disease turning your brain into mashed potatos?
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That’s not what hate speech is.
Would this be before or after Tesla goes bankrupt?
It is almost as if Elon were a bona fide nazi, he is just not dressing up as he would like to. Also it appears he is unable to grow the requisite narrow mustache.
I am legit confused why NBC didn’t give any details on its numbers. When Pro Publica or Ars Technica or any number of other highly respectable news outlets make such claims, they almost always provide links to their source material and documents. Pro Publica will regularly even run separate articles where they not only cover all their sources in detail, but also explain how and why the sources were meaningful. Makes it a lot harder for Mushbrain and his fellow Reichwingers to claim they’re just being persecuted by the vicious liberal media.
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Because they’re probably not anything like what they’re saying they are.
The vast, VAST majority of antisemitic and holocaust denier posts out there are Hamas supporters. Probably dwarf actual white supremacists 1000/1. But if you had an anti-right wing agenda, you could kinda squint and pretend, since they say largely the same things about Jews and Israel.
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[citation needed]
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Not really, actually. Just, y’know, spend some time on the internet.
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Your failure to cite the factual substance of your claims, which would make those claims easier to take seriously, compels dismissal of said claims.
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Remember when you said that if someone couldn’t provide a citation they’ve lost the argument?
You lost, clown.
Re: Re: Re:2 I had no idea you liked dogs *that* much
Matthew M Bennett gets railed by German Sherperds on the daily.
Source: I just spent some time on the internet
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Explains the dogs’ hip dysplasia.
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No, REALLY actually.
You mean the weird dark corner of the Internet where you hang out with other people who spout the same nonsense? I’ll give it a miss thanks.
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Yeah, those things never existed until the latest round of Hamas’ stupid ideas. No really it’s like some kind of reverse Mandela effect.
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To paraphrase the OP as a reply to Mr Bennet:
I am not at all confused why Matthew M Bennet didn’t give any details on his numbers.
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Lookie here, I don’t even have to post and you’re responding to me.
I OWN YOU IDIOTS.
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It’s fascinating seeing an adult having the emotional development of a child. Most people grow out of playground taunts when they become adults but you never did.
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Thanks for proving my point. ID10T.
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I pointed out that you are emotionally immature which is why the best you can do is playground taunts. That you think that “proves your point” is only further evidence of your immaturity.
Do you any more insubstantial and childish comments you want to share with us?
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The inability to understand irony is a symptom of your condition.
Re: Re: Re:2 You got rekkd son
“LOOK LOOK LOOK AT MMEEEEEEEE!”
Attention whore says what?
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I’m sure my dog thinks he owns me when he shits on the carpet and then eats it. I just can’t stand the smell of the shit breath.
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You don’t own shit, assclown.
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““Welcome back from vacation bro. We really didn’t it miss you desperately trying to get Senpai to notice you.
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Your point?
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The NBC article provides no citations at all, making it impossible to verrify
And apparently only provided 13 of the examples to Twitter?!? Why? So the whole the whole thing is hearsay? That indicates they’re hiding an awful lot.
This is really important. Leftists lie about what is “pro-nazi”, racist, hate speech, etc all the time. It’s actively part of the political game.
The fact that NBC provided citations for none of these accounts means they know their characterizations would be disputed and should not be believed.
This is all very different than the Media Matters lawsuit, where they provided concrete examples and lied about how those results came about. MM has then lied about this lawsuit on MANY occasions. An explainer here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/11/media-matters-picked-on-the-wrong-guy/
(Yes, it’s a conservative site. This is a hyper liberal site. Ad hominem gets you no points)
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The NBC article provide no citations
And apparently only provided 13 of the examples to Twitter?!? Why? So the whole the whole thing is hearsay? That indicates they’re hiding an awful lot.
This is really important. Leftists lie about what is “pro-n@zi”, racist, hate speech, etc all the time. It’s actively part of the political game.
The fact that NBC provided citations for none of these accounts means they know their characterizations would be disputed and should not be believed.
This is all very different than the Media Matters lawsuit, where they provided concrete examples and lied about how those results came about. MM has then lied about this lawsuit on MANY occasions. An explainer here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/11/media-matters-picked-on-the-wrong-guy/
(Yes, it’s a conservative site. This is a hyper liberal site. Ad hominem gets you no points)
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And apparently only provided 13 of the examples to Twitter?!? Why? So the whole the whole thing is hearsay? That indicates they’re hiding an awful lot.
This is really important. Leftists lie about what is “pro-n@zi”, racist, hate speech, etc all the time. It’s actively part of the political game.
The fact that NBC provided citations for none of these accounts means they know their characterizations would be disputed and should not be believed.
This is all very different than the Media Matters lawsuit, where they provided concrete examples and lied about how those results came about. Mke has then lied about this lawsuit on MANY occasions. An explainer here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/11/media-matters-picked-on-the-wrong-guy/
(Yes, it’s a conservative site. This is a hyper liberal site. Ad hominem gets you no points)
Elon is looking at this all wrong...
This isn’t a problem, it’s an OPPORTUNITY.
There are any number of major advertisers with a history of being associated with Nazis and may see a benefit to having ads being placed adjacent to neo-Nazi accounts. The neo-Nazi audience may well be receptive to a brand story that speaks to its legacy of supporting Nazis!
Linda, I’ll spot you some leads to get started: Ford, GM, VW, Hugo Boss, Audi, BASF, Allianz, IBM, Bayer, Merck.
Elon Musk:
Free speech abolitionist
Forced association absolutist
'That one is LITERALLY quoting Hitler.' 'Paid account?' 'Yes?' 'Move on then.'
Elon: How dare you not list all of the accounts you found in a quick search rather than only the most notable ones, that’s going to make it much harder for us to perform our own ‘internal review’ and clear them of all wrongdoing since they’re paid accounts and those can do no wrong!
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What about the real nazis? The ones screaming for the jews heads right now. Go palestine yeehaw!
If you were about free speech, you wouldn’t be complaining about others speech on others platforms or what that platform did or didn’t do regarding said speech.
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So you admit you hate free speech.
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Criticism is not censorship—it is the expression of an idea. Publishing criticism of someone else’s speech/actions (and their reaction to that criticism) is an exercise in free speech. That includes your criticism of Techdirt and any criticism of your (short-sighted, misinformed, and ultimately bad faith) opinion.
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Wait, no, we can roll with that. Now all the Nazis and this asshole have to shut up with their criticism and whining and blaming because of his version of free speech. Perfect.
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You can; I won’t.
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You are literally defending literal NAZI’s by calling out Palestine?
This is like… the worst possible comparison. You should be offended at ELMO for this, not defending him.
Everywhere I go on the net, I see anonymous off topic comments bringing up Israel just like this. Its enough to make me wonder how much the Israeli government (and by extension the USA, via GENEROUS long term aid) paid for it.
I dont get it, but I guess whatever botshit NSO groups ChatGPT clone spits out just serves to muddy the waters for real debate.
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No, I am calling out the pro palestines, who are the nazis.
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I think most of the real, genuine Nazis are probably having eyesight issues brought on by extreme old age.
Except possibly for The Head Of Hitler. That jar has excellent preservative qualities.
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Do… do you smell toast burning?
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You left school real early didn’t you.
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I’ll complain about whoever the fuck I feel like, you straight trash.
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So, the Republican Party, and their collaborators the Zionists, who have successfully weaponized the Holocaust to force all the Jews to move to Israel for some quasi-religious reason?
The very same groups that actively quash genuine criticism of modern Israel and the Zionists?
1A allows everyone to do just that, dipshit.
Unless what you really mean is “Only me and my group are allowed to complain and not you!”
It was just Elmos faithful asking if anyone had seen Kyle, he’s about this tall.
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blocking all
checking?
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You’re still dumb.
It’s almost as if there’s a deliberate effort to radicalize the right, silence anyone who opposes this effort, and make it such a clickbait spectacle, we can’t NOT talk about it. Conveniently, this also has the effect of hogging headlines and diverting attention away from issues like: homelessness, wealth redistribution, women’s rights, child labor, or a university gagging their valedictorian when she might upset the defense contractors affiliated with said university.
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Ain’t politics grand!
(the image of what to buy from Home Depot with your stimulus check to make a guillotine goes here)
Perhaps they had the right idea how to make government more responsive to what the people want.