New Year’s Message: The Opportunity To Build A Better Internet Is Here. Right Now.
from the the-best-of-times dept
Long term readers of Techdirt know that, since 2008, I’ve written a final post of the year on reasons to remain optimistic. It started when some people kept telling me that when they read what I wrote I sounded angry and frustrated, but when they’d meet me in person, I always seemed optimistic about the prospects for the world. As I’ve noted, I don’t see this as a contradiction at all. I remain incredibly optimistic about the potential for innovation, and generally frustrated and angry at whatever is getting in the way of making that optimistic vision a reality.
If you’d like to read past year’s New Year’s messages here they all are:
- 2008: On Staying Happy
- 2009: Creativity, Innovation And Happiness
- 2010: From Pessimism To Optimism… And The Power Of Innovation
- 2011: From Optimism And Innovation… To The Power To Make A Difference
- 2012: Innovation, Optimism And Opportunity: All Coming Together To Make Real Change
- 2013: Optimism On The Cusp Of Big Changes
- 2014: Change, Innovation And Optimism, Despite Challenges
- 2015: Keep Moving Forward
- 2016: No One Said It Would Be Easy…
- 2017: Keep On Believing
- 2018: Do Something Different
- 2019: Opportunities Come From Unexpected Places
- 2020: Make The World A Better Place
- 2021: The Arc Of The Moral Universe Is A Twisty Path
For large parts of this year, I actually wondered if there was really that much to be optimistic about in tech, but over the last few months I have to admit that I’ve been the most optimistic I’ve been in a long time. I previewed just some of my thinking just about a week ago when I noted that I can’t see any reason for anyone to invest time in building up a social graph on yet another centralized social media network, now that we’re seeing how a decentralized one can actually work, and work well.
When I posted that, someone on Mastodon joked that they had no idea that I was a secret optimist, but again, that’s the spirit of these posts.
And now is a fantastic time to be an optimist about tech innovation, even as it sometimes feels like the world is falling down around us, and there are tons of terrible regulations being proposed (and sometimes, tragically, being turned into law). Also, some will argue that with inflation high, an apparent economic recession, and much of the tech industry contracting, it’s one of those nuclear winter scenarios.
But, I disagree. Yes, all of those things are bad, and it’s having a real impact on many people’s lives. But having lived through multiple tech “crashes,” I’ve learned how this is the time when things tend to get more interesting. The most interesting innovations almost always come out of the “dark” times in tech. Sometimes it’s because of those dark times, whether it’s because more tech folks have extra time on their hands, or because an industry (or wider economic) recession just clarifies new opportunities.
Over the last five or six years or so, people kept insisting that the big internet companies were too big and too powerful to ever fail or get disrupted. I kept pointing out that people have said that over and over in the past with regards to tech and they were always wrong. Yet, “this time is different” was the refrain I’ve heard over and over and over again. And… while the big companies are still big, none of them look invincible at all any more.
These giants are not quite so invincible any more.
This is crazy exciting. I know that Techdirt haters keep (falsely) claiming that we’re “big tech shills” or whatever, but watching the natural order of things take down these giants and open up new paths to innovation is one of the most thrilling developments for innovation in recent years. I don’t think any of those companies will disappear, of course, but having them fade into the background and allowing some new entrants to lead the innovation train for a while is a compelling thought (just as happened with previously dominant firms like Microsoft and IBM).
We’re seeing opportunities abound. I already talked about the rise of Mastodon and the opportunities for pushing power away from internet giants and out towards the users. That remains one of the most exciting things to happen in the last year, especially since people had predicted it for years with little to show for it. Until now. The innovation currently happening on Mastodon is fun to see, especially as Facebook and Twitter seem to be flailing in spectacular ways.
And it’s not just in social media.
Over the last few years, we kept being told that “big tech” companies had an impossible-to-close lead in artificial intelligence. We were told that only Google, Meta, Amazon, and Microsoft could possibly “lead” in AI, because they had access to the best talent, and the most data, and no one else could possibly catch up. We were told over and over again that antitrust had to look at these big companies and how they were going to control the AI world.
And yet, by far the most interesting AI developments this past year came… not from any of those companies, but from OpenAI, a for-profit entity that is owned by and started as a non-profit. Earlier this year it unleashed DALL-E 2 on the world, showing just how powerful and creative one could be with AI generated art. And almost immediately we saw a bunch of similar offerings (many building on OpenAI’s initial work) popping up, such as MidJourney, and the open source Stable Diffusion. And while Google and Meta have previewed their own versions of this technology, both are playing from (way) behind, rather than leading the way.
Just as the year was coming to a close, OpenAI’s ChatGPT got the world excited about advances in generative text as well, to the point that some are even talking about how ChatGPT could actually eventually challenge Google’s core search business. It’s way too early for that, and ChatGPT is nowhere near in a position to make a dent in Google’s search business… but, there’s an opening. An opening that just a year ago many people insisted was impossible.
There have been some other fun surprises in the hardware world as well. While it launched in 2021, 2022 is when the Framework laptop seems to have really started to take off, showing that a brand new laptop company can enter what had felt like a mostly closed market with an innovative take that is focused on (yet again) putting more power in the hands of the end users: shipping a laptop that not only is designed to be modified by the owner, but where the user is specifically encouraged to repair and modify their own laptops. In an age where the big companies are still fighting a right to repair, we’re seeing smaller companies step in and see the right to repair as a market opportunity to come in and beat the big guys.
Meanwhile, another thing that some people think bodes poorly for tech may be just the opposite: the collapse of cryptocurrencies capped off with the complete disintegration of FTX showing that it appeared to just be three different frauds stacked upon each other in trench coat pretending to be an actual financial firm… is great news. I have strongly mixed feelings about much of the cryptocurrency space, because I do think there actually are some potentially useful opportunities in (once again) moving some level of power out from giant central players (banks in this case) towards a more decentralized world that empowers those who used to be kept out of the system.
And there have been kernels of interesting ideas built into some of the innovations around smart contracts and decentralized finance. But… almost all of that has been completely buried in frauds, scams, and get rich quick ponzi schemes. So I think it’s also great news for most of that to be destroyed, and for most people to turn their attention elsewhere, to see how people who aren’t in it for the monetary aspect can make some useful things with the technology. Or, maybe they won’t do that at all. But we have a better chance of finding out if the scams and nonsense are cleared away and everyone thinks it’s dead and buried.
In short, all of the stuff that lots of people seem to think is really “bad” for tech is really only bad for the old way that things were done, which had very real problems. And that means we have a huge opportunity to rebuild things in a better way. Like we’re seeing with Mastodon and more decentralized social media, and which we might see with new innovations in AI and elsewhere.
Things may be bad for “big tech,” but that’s the perfect time for us to fix all that went wrong over the past decade. So it’s time to be optimistic again. It’s time to innovate and to focus on doing things better this time around.
Last year, I talked about the idea of an Eternal October, and… at that point it was wishful thinking. Now, I can actually see the path to it coming true, and that’s incredibly exciting.
Separately, this has been a wild year for Techdirt and the Copia Institute. Copia launched our first browser based game, called Startup Trail, to go along with many other game related projects we’ve been doing (and there are so, so many more in progress that we look forward to sharing soon). We’ve also been astoundingly busy on about half a dozen different papers and reports, many of which should be coming out soon.
On the Techdirt side, we’ve had some huge stories that received tons of attention. We were the only ones really covering some terrible legislation in California. We’ve done some important debunker stories, and I’ll pat myself on the back and say we’ve had the most thorough and comprehensive coverage of everything that Elon Musk is fucking up at Twitter over the course of a crazy, crazy year.
We also went through the somewhat Herculean task of moving 25 years of legacy Techdirt over to an entirely new platform. That wasn’t without some hiccups, but given how much went into it, the move was relatively smooth (though we’re still finding and squashing some bugs many months later), and are looking forward to doing more now that we’re on a more extensible platform. Oh yeah, we also celebrated our 25th anniversary and had a really fun event for Techdirt Insiders. We’re planning to do more of those, so I’ll put in one final pitch to consider becoming an Insider, joining the Discord and participating in future events. Or there are lots of other ways to support us.
As always, my final paragraph of these posts is thanking all of you, the community around Techdirt, for making all of this worthwhile. The community around Techdirt remains an amazing thing to me. I’ve said in the past that I write as if I’m going to share my thoughts into an empty void, not expecting anyone to ever pay attention, and I’m always amazed when anyone does pay attention, whether it’s to disagree with me, add some additional insights, challenge my thinking, or even reach out to talk about how to actually move some ideas forward. So, once again, thank you, who are reading this for making Techdirt such a wonderful and special place over these past 25 years, and as we push forward into this wide open world of new opportunities.
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I’ll just wait until starlink really gets going.
Musk products tend to work best, after all.
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For what?
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I mean, let him be.
The less stable Matthew’s Internet, the less likely he’s going to wear everyone out with his drivel.
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…no reason ever offered; standard proctor reflex
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You know, it’s funny, just recently you claimed that you weren’t even a Musk fan. And now this.
Also, Musk himself has said that Starlink will never have that much capacity to serve most people. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1389691848906747905
And, in fact, just started capping usage as they run into constraints: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/07/spacex-adds-data-restrictions-to-starlink-satellite-internet-service.html
So, no, even Musk doesn’t think that his products “work the best” in this case.
But your hero worship is noted, as you once again confirm you are wrong about everything.
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Hey, if you want to use his products, go for it. Just stop complaining that other people have opinions about the clear negatives. Or don’t, since that’s actual free speech.
Man tends to be his most creative when the need is greatest.
This appears to be such a time.
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“Man tends to be his most creative when the need is greatest.”
This is simply not true.
Shit gets done in times of crisis – is more like it.
Just because humans are always fighting does not mean all their creative prowess was driven by said violence.
Thanks for the optimism
Before in the past, your optimism didn’t seem well-placed. Now, however, you have every reason to believe so. Considering that in exactly one year Steamboat Willie (and therefore Mickey Mouse’s first appearance) will enter the public domain (and Disney seems to be accepting of that fate), I guess the New Year’s Message for 2024 will be “It always seems impossible until it is done.”
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Plane Crazy and Gallopin’ Gaucho aren’t so bad either.
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Nor is Tigger from Winnie The Pooh (or the “Winniverse” as nobody calls it).
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I mean “Poohniverse” was right there.
I can understand why people would be optimistic for 2023, especially on the copyright front. Sherlock Holmes will fully belong to the people when the ball drops in Times Square, and the next time it happens 367 days later, Mickey Mouse will FINALLY belong to the people.
That being said, if there are any legal shenanigans, we all have to be prepared for the fines and prison time that might come with recycling old ideas, images, films, music etc that we come across. Over the past few years, I have learned that we should all be preservationists when it comes to saving our common culture but unfortunately, we may have to deal with a less than friendly “justice” system that treats us as criminals. Nevertheless, we’ll keep on doing what we need to do, don’t give up hope.
Have a Happy New Year!
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Copyright is so unprotected as to be worthless. Very few writers make enough to justify producing books. Now you’re left with books written to monetize existing audiences and promote expensive products rather than something that could turn a profit on its own.
Maybe that’s good, maybe not.
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If copyright was so unprotected, how do copyright lawyers make their money? Why would anyone protect copyright at all if there was no money in it for them?
Stronger copyright will not force people to buy your product. Piracy could disappear tomorrow and publishers would still rather focus on works meant to monetize existing audiences than take risks on independent niches.
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Not to mention that there are books in the public domain that make money for print publishers…
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Making money is rarely the end result of creative activities, and going via a gatekeepers means that they is a company that needs to make a profit ahead of the creative people providing what they sell. For those than have the people skills to use social media, and are prepared to spend a few years learning their craft, and building a fab base, self publishing may lead to a reasonable living, and with a much smaller fan base that going via a gatekeeper.
As for copyright, it was designed to benefit the gatekeepers, and any strengthening increases the ability of gatekeepers to make more profit at the expense of creative people. Unless an author or band are best sellers, the gatekeepers are no concerned about supporting them, as there is a always pool of hopefuls seeking fame and fortune by way of a publishing deal, from which to pick a replacement.
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“Very few writers make enough to justify producing books”
Which is why there’s so few books.
Wait, the opposite has happened, there’s more published than ever.
“Now you’re left with books written to monetize existing audiences and promote expensive products”
Just because you haven’t found good new writers, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
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“ Very few writers make enough to justify producing books.”
Then do explain why there are more books being produced than than any on the time in human history.
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There are probably about the same number of first books being produces as throughout human history, but many more of those get published via self publishing. Those that find a supportive audience result in the author writing more books.
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“There are probably about the same number of first books being produces as throughout human history,”
Indeed there are. But, are there less people supporting a career writing them then there were before, proportionally? I’ve not seen that evidence.
The main difference seems to be that you don’t have to go through the same publishers that rejected King and Rowing to make money. Which, obviously, can mean they’re less well edited or less well blocked depending on tastes. However you review the modern industry, some of the biggest names in history nearly gave up because the gatekeepers blocked them…
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…what?
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Written on December 30th, which is 2 days from the start of a new year which is 365 days long.
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…but you didn’t say “367 days from now”, you said
Fractal Networking
I doubt we’ll see a cycle of gain the weight, lose the weight (ie. build a better Internet) as any kind of health routine with the current Internet.
There are dozens of languages to learn to write software in, dozens of file systems to choose from on your storage systems, but only one data network that has too many security flaws to audit, making it technology debt that is not worth investing in.
Just like television/radio may have started with one broadcast network, I think we’ll see fractal networking take hold, with multiple networks to choose from of various sizes. 2023 is as good of a year as any to start enjoying multiple data network environments.
China has their great firewall, with Russia having something similar. They already set the tone for defined regional networks by country, but building new innovation, software and infrastructure for a new network may give it a 2,3 or 4 decade shelflife, just like the original Internet, before new stategies to manage/dump the cruft have to be developed.
Its a new paradigm for technology, but I would expect my kids to grow old on 3rd or 4th generation data networks, well past version 1.0.
2023 could be the year of “Build a modern, better network infrastructure”, rather than trying to polishing turds with optimism. All of the good data is on the new networks.
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Your are overlooking the Internets biggest flaw, which is also it biggest strength, and that is people set up servers for anybody to connect to. That exposes them to continuous attack, and that cannot be avoided without killing the Internet. Also, the great firewall of China, and Russia’s equivalents are bad for humanity, as they allow dictators to tell lies to their people, and start wars.
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The old Internet will always be there and so will all of the old hardware and software.
Innovation happens so fast and data is so easy to move. Its just like the era of going from black and white tv to color or going from antenna to cable. Having new data networks doesn’t change anything. Its just the content that is different, which is the point.
When over half the devices are out-of-date hardware/software and over half of content generated is SPAM, its time for a new network.
Most desktops and severs can traverse multiple networks with hardware upgrades, just like adding starlink equipment gets you on a satellite network. It doesn’t have to be the Internet. It could be a new data network.
Even in the states, many of the local broadband initiatives could band together and make a new network with new storage facilities/data centers to accomodate growth. It may even be regional.
You can’t say that quality over quanity is version 1.0 in 2023.
Here’s to another year of Techdirt, and another year of copyright-wing idiots pissing themselves.
I have high hopes for Nostr. Watching the network’s development over the past month has been amazing.
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I like this meshpage, watching 3d models in web browsers is the future. 2.1 billion web sites start to use 3d graphics… I’m just waiting for our future plans to come to fruition.
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Here are two sites that do 3d displays from 3d models and their viewer is intuitive too use for anybody used to a modern graphics interface.
Thangs
Printables
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“I’m just waiting for our future plans to come to fruition.”
Is that suing people to force them to buy your crap. Or is it going to bang your head against a wall until you see jesus, again?
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Tero’s gone on the record before claiming that his business plans are complete genius, and all he needs to do based on his plans is wait for a couple more decades to cash out.
Of course, if this really was the case, he wouldn’t be here hashing out his complaint that Meshpage only made him $58 over ten years, and even that claim is pretty suspect given his tendency to fudge and blur definitions.
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I’ve made about twice that amount of money than that since 2011 in streaming/itunes sales of my music, and all my original music has creative commons licenses!
Also, I’m nowhere near anywhere near successful, so what does that say about TP?
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Looks like the whole digital economy is full of failure cases like this. And government thinks that anyone who fails like this should starve.
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And I’m wholly unsurprised that the Shame of Finland has no idea how his country works.
I’m the not Finnish guy and even I know that claim is a lie.
Finland ain’t America or Asia. And the Nordic countries have decent welfare services. Finland included.
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Yeah, but you might have missed how the welfare service was designed. Initially they give good income, but over time the perks are slowly taken away until the people are starving. You don’t immediately need to get income from the outside world, but eventually it is still necessary.
Sadly the market isn’t as vibrant as in the places where there is more people available. It takes 15km to find your neighbor, but 150km radius is needed to run a business profitably. Internet obviously gives larger radius, but none of my customers want to give their money to the idiots on internet.
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That no one gives you money for your product is no one else’s fault but yours. Nobody owes you anything.
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This isn’t true. There’s still the people who robbed me, who has not paid back the robbed money. There’s another guy who stole my bicycle when I was in elementary school who has not paid the price of the new bicycle. There’s the 150 million people who use my work, but haven’t managed to continue the process from where we left it. There’s some neverending processes that have not yet finished even though requirement says that all processes must have set end date. And finally, meshpage is going to fix all this with beautiful 3d graphics designed by the guy who didn’t see what is the idea behind these processes that were designed to harass and intimidate.
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lmao whatever
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So instead of pursuing it through your country’s legal system, you decided the next best thing was to bitch and moan about it on a small independent website?
Why would the users of a phone continue the development of work on the phone? In any case, any phone that you worked on would no longer be available for sale in the market by this point in time. This requirement for users to carry on work for a defunct machine makes no sense.
Why are those processes supposed to be neverending when you yourself literally say in the next half of the sentence that the processes have to end? You yourself have claimed that the public domain must be destroyed so tech support doesn’t have to be provided to older machines and systems. Why, then, expect any of the people who once used your phones to continue working on them for you, for free?
You designed Meshpage and can’t see the idea behind the process? Or are you expecting some random patsy to use your process without realizing that you intentionally designed these processes to harass and intimidate? Neither is a good look for you. I look forward to a 2023 where nobody uses Meshpage at all.
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Well, I expect 150 million people remember what features are available in the phone and when they get their chance to implement some of their own technologies, that they would remember that yes one of the features in the phone is actually possible to implement, and then next generation of technologies are based on the features implemented in the phone. You know, the “standing on the shoulders of giants”, can be used here.
This way, the large number of people would continue our work and the features that we got ready in time for phone’s release would be available also in the future.
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Infringing on the shoulders of giants, what.
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He seriously thinks that 150 million users of a phone OS that hasn’t been in use for a decade are suddenly going to start modding and developing for a dead, unsupported system. It’s like claiming that every Half-Life or Team Fortress player is suddenly going to sink thousands of hours into Gmod.
Never mind that this work would also, like you said, very likely constitute infringement. Tero Pulkinnen is literally trying to incite criminal copyright infringement, here.
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When the system’s impact is that large, its impossible that the activity that people do with the devices, do not leave some impact to the world. Every popular system has that property, not just our devices. We can only hope that the impact actually helps people and not cause damage, but it is guaranteed that impact still exists. Even if people just remember what style of font was used in the device and use web technologies to create a website that looks similar, it’s already an impact. And that’s just one guy doing it, what happens when 150 million people do similar kind of things.
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That’s likely the case, and whatever impact you had with your work at Nokia simply carried on to other phones and systems. Like Android. Which you personally tried to destroy through Oracle.
Most of those 150 million users are unlikely to start modding defunct phones that Nokia hasn’t sold in years. And for the few that do, they can just as easily run into the issue of copyright infringement under stricter copyright law, because Nokia hasn’t granted them permission.
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Noone said it needs to be modding old phones. That’s your own invention. I’m talking about using the same font size in web development for example.
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You’re talking about people who used a model of mobile phone a couple of decades ago. Most of them aren’t going to be working in web development or use Symbian in their day-to-day life.
And using the same font size in your development process is not a breakthrough, nor is it an endorsement for you.
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Path to awesomeness is going through many small improvements, you do not need one big improvement to status quo. Breakthrough is not what i would call a bucket of thousand small bug fixes.
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Shitting yourself less is not the kind of improvement that merits you any sort of praise.
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“You know, the “standing on the shoulders of giants”, can be used here.”
Aren’t you the guy wanting to shut down competitors if they even remotely do something that looks like what you copied?
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These were already decided by the legal system. The crims still never paid anything.
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That makes no sense. That’s like claiming that anyone who’s ever taken public transport should then move on to make their own bus or train or plane.
This would be done by phone developers, not the people who used them a few decades ago. Even then, most of the people who did use the model of Nokia phone you had some involvement in developing would be, what? In their 50s? 60s? Probably a few years older than your age group. They’re not going to continue working for your vanity project.
Which in your own definition of stricter copyright law, no one would follow because you’d sue them.
Stricter copyright law would not have helped you there.
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Too bad I’m not making decisions on behalf of those phone parts.
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There’s 150 million suckers like that. So there will be all kinds of people in the group.
Or they could see that a bus company solved their loading issues by making the seats less comfortable/smaller space per each person, and that technique called “pigeon-hole principle” can also be used by software developers too. Oh and pigeons also use it.
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But you are. You’re the one insisting that 150 million people continue working on them.
They’re not going to work for you once they know you call them suckers. They’re especially not going to work for you for free.
And you intentionally made your product less comfortable, and expect to be rewarded for it? You are seriously the worst person at convincing people to do things for you.
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They have special kind of busses reserved for the partying in may 1st and new year’s eve where the bus company doesn’t exactly think about passanger comfort, but instead the bus that can take the most amount of vomit will be chosen. Your less comfortable keyword might not be a priority in this case.
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That doesn’t explain anything about why Meshpage being “less comfortable” is a good thing. You keep trying to explain away consumer-unfriendly practices as defensible by pointing out other companies who supposedly benefit from it, but none of these practices will attract new customers. Which is why your main selling point for Meshpage is a complete lack of users, and why you complain that nobody is willing to send you bug reports for free.
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1) safer learning environment for children when the software protects against copyright infringement
2) more learning opportunities when builder dialogs force keeping the required modifications in your brain while moving from display dialog to properties dialog.
3) more learning opportunities when builder node graph node selection contains all the nodes, not just all the useful ones.
4) more efficient end result when builder doesn’t force usage of convinient nodes, but instead you need to explicitly select every node into use
5) etc..
Tons of different issues where builder makes selections that are less convinient for the user, but there’s always good reason for such choices.
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You keep trying to push Meshpage as a superior option for teaching kids 3D modelling, but everyone knows that it’s a very shoddy premise. You’ve never even attempted to teach Meshpage to children. And when that was pointed out enough to you, you backpedaled and claimed that Meshpage was for graduate-level coders in game design. Except that those coders regularly have to build their own engines from scratch already. Why would they need to use yours?
As for your claim that less convenience is good for the user, that’s nothing but overused character-building drivel – but not surprising from someone trying to shill free-to-download software and position it as a million dollar moneymaker.
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I thought building your own engine is just stupid activity and these people can never overtake unreal engine, unity and godot according to your favourite story ripped from chatGPT…
Why did you change your mind that now enginebuilding is suitable activity for graduate-level coders in game design?
Since you already changed your mind, you can apply that stuff to meshpage.
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Because people doesn’t use inferior shit when they get better results from writing their own software. That should tell you something.
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Yes. Why do you think I don’t use unreal, unity, blender or godot?
I get better results writing my own.
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It tells us you still don’t understand what “better results” are.
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There’s several different views to this:
1) I actually own meshpage. This would never be possible with unreal, unity or godot. Owning it is clearly “better result”.
2) I can get stuff done for web. This would never be possible with unreal, unity or godot. Getting stuff done is clearly better result.
3) I can actually modify the source code.
4) I can get github points by improving the source. (if I did the same for unreal, unity or godot, some other people would get credit for it)
5) scene graph is not limited to opengl data flow
6) etc…
Tons of better results are available like this.
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The idea of “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” doesn’t always apply. You technically own the shit you crapped in the toilet, but you’d be hard-pressed to claim that your shit is better than food.
The best you’ve “done for web” is put up animations that look like they were made in Adobe Fireworks in the early 2000s, and none of that can be modified in real time from the links you posted.
Except that you’ve already taken everything off GitHub, and you don’t use GitHub except to vaguely spout copyright religious text once every few years, so whatever “points” you get are less than insignificant.
Re: Re: Re:23
Nope. While you were trolling and wasting time, I actually implemented a game with my friends. https://meshpage.org/441
See, if you died on the splashscreen, its your own fault.
Re: Re: Re:24
You have no friends, Tero. You hate other humans. The closest neighbor you have is a distant 15km away by your own claims because you can’t stand sharing the air with competition.
Re: Re: Re:25
Either I have friends or you need to admit that I implemented the cool graphics for the game. It simply cannot happen without someone actually drawing the sprites.
Re: Re: Re:26
All anyone needs to say is that you implemented graphics using your own engine. There is no reason for anyone to believe you have friends or say that your graphics are cool.
Re: Re: Re:27
sadly this isn’t true. I’m not good at drawing bitmap graphics, so I actually got the ceo to draw some bitmaps for the game. But you should have known this result if you ever visited meshpage and saw my programmer art.
Re: Re: Re:28
That much was clear.
Considering that you’ve had nothing to show for it, it must not have been a particularly noteworthy CEO, but you’re basically the CEO of meshpage so it figures.
People can judge it from your profile picture. It’s not impressive even though you desperately want it to be.
Re: Re: Re:8
“ There’s the 150 million people who use my work,”
Gonna need a huge citation right there pal.
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Re: Re: Re:9
phones. in europe. All use symbian. <— just google for it.
Re: Re: Re:10
Hint, if you are going to make claims, do not make ones that are disproven by the most basic of searches.
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Re: Re: Re:11
It isn’t dead until I have forgotten its existence. And there’s a warning that I might be remembering it longer than most people.
Re: Re: Re:12
It’s dead in the sense that no phone in about the last decade has used Symbian as its OS.
Re: Re: Re:12
And? What’s the relevance of you remembering it? I remember plenty of trivial information about video games and sports teams. That doesn’t bear a shred of relevance to what other people do.
And even then, so what? You, yourself, insisted that the public domain has to die because developers shouldn’t be expected to provide tech support for code or software that’s no longer in use. You remembering this would not matter to anyone at all beyond stroking your own ego, deserved as it is.
Even if you opted to brainwash people into remembering it, or convert yourself into an immortal robot, or any of the twisted, dystopian lists you constantly try to convince us are options, none of this will matter to the average human. Robots and tech will not develop themselves just to prop up your fragile sense of self-importance.
Re: Re: Re:13
“convert” is a good word here, given that the software that I’m building is basically just a set of 600 conversion functions that convert from one data format to another. Think of it as your “youtube-dl = conversion from youtube url to video file” or “ffmpeg is a conversion from mp4 file to avi file”… But I just have 400 such conversion functions.
But I didn’t need to go to the illegal area to build my converters.
Re: Re: Re:14
Presuming, of course, that the converters were illegal. The same argument was made about VCRs, and the MPAA lost that argument.
Re: Re: Re:11
More importantly, Tero’s claim is that nostalgic users of Symbian will suddenly begin supporting his work by continuing development – but that’s simply not possible, due to this quote from the Wikipedia page:
“Although support was promised until 2016, including two major planned updates, by 2012 Nokia had mostly abandoned development and most Symbian developers had already left Accenture, and in January 2014 Nokia stopped accepting new or changed Symbian software from developers.”
It’s also worth noting that Tero started showing up on Techdirt around 2014, and a lot of his claims on the work for Meshpage are based on suggestions that he started work on it roughly seven to ten years ago. So it’s likely that he thought continuing Symbian-based code to generate Meshpage would continue to let him milk the system for money, until Nokia and Microsoft simply stopped accepting work for it and closed all support earlier than expected.
That’s Tero’s game. He’s looking for free labor because market forces rendered him obsolete, never mind that continuing the work based on his own definitions of how copyright law works would likely get him or anyone else working on Symbian sued by Nokia or Microsoft.
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Re: Re: Re:12
This is factually wrong. Basically it’s illegal to “continue” symbian-based code. Instead we only use “rejected” features that never made it into phones in meshpage. Given that the management never told us what exactly features were rejected, it’s impossible for us to “copy” existing techniques (or otherwise continue symbian practices), but we need to explore our own practices to get software out from the doors of meshpage.org. Example of this is that we had to redo all coding conventions, i.e. meshpage source code does not use symbian coding conventions)… (that’s actually verifiable fact, if you care enough).
Re: Re: Re:13
If it’s illegal to continue Symbian-based code, how do you expect 150 million users to start working on where you left off?
That, by itself, is not the same as saying you do not use Symbian-based code. “Rejected features” would have still relied on Symbian-based code in their original implementation since they were created for a Symbian environment. And it’s a ridiculous claim to say that “management never told you exactly what features were rejected”. If you were so involved in the project such that you can boldly claim you had 150 million users, you know exactly what features were rejected. You would not have any idea what to include in Meshpage otherwise.
So this confirms the hypothesis I had – you had features you wanted to shove into Symbian but were rejected, and since then you’ve had a deep-seated loathing for other people. Which is why you think you’re entitled to demand that other people work for you with no payment, and that people should have their organs harvested, raped, or murdered when accused of copyright infringement.
So you changed the names and called it yours. That’s… not a protection. Not under your definition of stricter copyright law. That’s the equivalent of taking “Adobe Photoshop” and calling it “Adobe Terophotoshop” and saying that’s your original work. If Oracle had won the court case they brought against Google, you would have been liable to get sued by Nokia and Microsoft. You might still be, in fact.
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Re: Re: Re:14
Uh. I don’t think you understand what coding conventions are for in software development.
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Re: Re: Re:14
This isn’t true. Those features were never implemented, and thus programmers never got a feature request for them.
This actually works in such complicated way that you wouldn’t understand it even if I explained it to you. Involves turning humans into robots and getting them to pass are-you-a-robot-test.
Re: Re: Re:15
Thanks for confirming once again that you can’t stand having to share the planet with another human.
Re: Re: Re:16
I already rejected all humans when I was 15 years old. Gadgets are much more pleasant to work with. I haven’t yet heard a gadget argue irrelevant bullshit like you keep doing all the time.
Re: Re: Re:17
You’re the one who keeps saying we all have to be murdered because you haven’t enriched yourself enough through copyright law. But then, that’s why your copyright enforcers in Prenda Law and Malibu Media are now in jail.
Re: Re: Re:18
You have again invented this from your own ass.
They forgot to purchase “get-out-of-jail” playing cards from our legal eagle’s accounting office. You get those cards if you hire actually competent lawyer to represent you in the court of law, instead of trying to build your own defense our of your misguided idea of how copyrights should work when you’re blackmailing and extorting money settlements from unsuspecting copyright pirates. When pirates do not enter your trap, the evil practice that brought them to jail was bringing the product nearer to pirate’s normal computer usage patterns. I.e. they were offering their own product and when the mouse enters the trap, they would launch full scale copyright attack on innocent pirate-candidates that had no idea why they were being procecuted.
But these practices are not why we respect the prenda lawyers. It’s the sex videos that they created that gives them copyright law’s respect. We understand that their video cam has a record button and when you press the button and record the events that unfold after inviting some hookers to their camcorder sessions, they actually receive copyright law’s biggest reward: the copyright ownership for the recorded material.
While there are multiple quality levels and some idiot shaking the camera violently might not get the best quality reviews from the sex community, Prenda’s copyright ownership for the material they recorded was never properly questioned by the courts or anyone. So their copyright story is actually valid legal position. It’s the stupid pushing of their content to the piracy community that landed the lawyers to the jail, not because their ownership of the copyrights were questioned.
So you should learn from this experience and start respecting other people’s copyrights, and stop mixing completely unrelated criminal acts to the copyright’s ownership positions.
Re: Re: Re:19
No, I haven’t. People do remember when you’ve stated that people should be allowed to be murdered or have their organs harvested if they can’t afford copyright fines.
No, you respected them because for a time, they were the copyright people making the money and the news through their intimidation tactics. Unfortunately for you, the judges disagreed on their implementation of copyright infringement.
Finally, we have a breakthrough. Their ownership of the copyrights in that case wasn’t questioned, you’re right, it’s trying to profit off of it in an illegal way that got them arrested.
Oh, people have learned a lot from the experience. They’ve learned that copyright enforcers deserve to have their claims and accusations scrutinized, because it turns out that when you look closely at what copyright holders like you demand, you’ll often run far, far away from the courts before you can have your claims and evidence examined.
Prenda Law set very interesting precedents, because it proved that pro-copyright people like you are scum.
Re: Re: Re:6
Welfare is generally intended to give you some basic quality of life and cover basic necessities, not facilitate your path to becoming a millionaire.
Now there are debates as to how much welfare is enough, or if a welfare system inherently disincentivizes work or increasing your income (since a lot of welfare systems tend to take away support once your income goes above a certain level). There are discussions on whether welfare has kept up with growing costs due to inflation. But the fact that you’re regularly here, demanding that people be raped in the name of copyright infringement, suggests that the money you get is clearly more than $5.80 a year.
If you live in a location that is so remote, your nearest neighbor is 15km away, that was your choice. Apparently, you’ve managed to get enough infrastructure to have working Internet and services to deliver a computing system to work on Meshpage, so the idea that you live 15km away from any other humans is frankly suspect. On the other hand, I could believe that you hate other humans so much, you intentionally chose to live in the middle of nowhere, in which case it’s entirely your fault.
Once more, with feeling: You have no customers at all, because you insist on making your software intentionally difficult, undersupported, and impossible to use on consumer computers. But at least you’re honest enough to admit you’re an idiot on the Internet.
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Re: Re: Re:7
Well, japanese people visiting Helsinki Central Railway Station are wondering where are all the people, or whether we have some holiday when noone is around, even though it’s busiest day of the year in that location of the world.
Then they will be horrified when in midsummer everyone actually disappears and they can see city completely empty, like tsernobyl was after nuclear accident.
Re: Re: Re:8
You don’t care about people enough to pay them if they work for you, so your concern about Japanese tourists is entirely meaningless coming from you.
I highly doubt that Finland is the empty hellscape you want to paint it as, but again – you chose to isolate yourself at 15km away from your nearest neighbors.
Re: Re: Re:9
You should visit lapland sometime. Think of the peace and quiet of not having to worry about your neighbour without 15km of travel. The mosquitos are bad, but otherwise it’s like living in a forest. (except trees actually don’t grow there since it’s too cold).
Re: Re: Re:10
For someone who claims to want the isolation you sure spend a needless amount of time trying to fuck over other people on the Internet.
If you wanted to stay away from humans so badly why even bother coming here?
Re: Re: Re:11
The government required that approach. Their position is that my money supply dries out in time, if I can’t find someone external who is willing to spend money to the products that I create. So I spent 10 years focusing on creating high quality product that people would be willing to purchase, and when I offer it to marketplace, their response is to use someone elses software without permission from the copyright owner.
Re: Re: Re:12
“The government required that approach”
Heh, congrats to Mike in that case. I didn’t realise there was an international requirement to come to this site and comment. His traffic must be through the roof!
“I spent 10 years focusing on creating high quality product”
Not evidence by anything you ever posted here, but so what? Artists far greater than you failed in the marketplace.
“when I offer it to marketplace, their response is to use someone elses software without permission from the copyright owner”
The problem is, that’s not happened in reality. Your stated competitors have not only given permission, their tools have been used to create billions in new art. I get being bitter about your failure, I just don’t get spending years posting obvious lies to a forum where people call you out on it instead of improving your product, or at least taking lessons from the criticism. I mean, every time you post a specific complaint that’s not a lie about the law in a different country to where you’re based, it’s immediately disproven.
Re: Re: Re:13
This permission does not fulfill the basic requirements for such a permission.
1) The author needs to get his employment from such a permission
2) The author needs to get enough money from the permission that he can comfortably spend money for necessities like rent, food, toiletpaper etc.
3) The permission must not be a replacement for copyright infringement, i.e. replicating the infringement properties in the permission specification is not allowed.
So basically the license paperwork that free software, public domain, creative commons, open source are using should be going directly to the trashcan since they cannot fulfill even basic properties that such permission needs to fulfill.
When such a permission is using the same properties than what is available in copyright infringement, we can do equivalence class between this licensing deal and the copyright infringement and a class action might have good chances of success.
If the tools have been used to create billions worth of art, why is the authors of the tool struggling to pay their rent? Some middleman takes all the money?
Re: Re: Re:14
Sadly for you that’s not how the law works. Screaming and stamping your foot because you hate the fact that fair use exists won’t get you the outcome you want.
Except that they’re not. Developers working for Blender, Pixar, 3dsmax et al aren’t the starving destitute homeless people you imagine them to be.
As for middlemen taking the money, you’ve been a cocksucker for the RIAA, the biggest middlemen for taking money from artists for a vague copyright protection that doesn’t even make the artists money.
Re: Re: Re:3
The fact that he has so much disposable income, he can run a project based on his own programming language (read: pilfered from other code dictionaries, which a successful copyright claim for Android API would not have allowed him to do), strongly suggests that the resources he has access to are not insignificant. Not nearly enough to make him rich beyond his wildest dreams, but certainly enough for him to sustain a hobby in shitposting.
The “$58 in 10 years” claim is just so he can claim an ax to grind against pirates, when the reality is that no one would download Meshpage even if their life was in danger.
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Re: Re: Re:4
obvious this is why the criminals have ferrari’s and gold necklaces and huge mansions. I explicitly asked techdirt to provide a digital mansion and my request was denied.
that is why they fail.
Re: Re: Re:5
You keep wanting to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a rich criminal, because you think such a portrayal justifies your desires of sociopathic violence. The reality is, petty criminals do not have the wealth of resources you claim they own. And even then, aside from the few cases you’ve claimed of teenage thugs harassing you, they have not stolen Ferraris or mansions or gold from you. If you’re going to claim that those same thugs are now millionaires, that’s going to require extraordinary proof.
Nobody is a failure just because they didn’t work on your personal project, and the fact that nobody else has worked on Meshpage is not something that entitles you to millions of dollars from the government of Finland. You were paid for your work on Nokia and Symbian and that was it. Not even copyright law entitles you to be paid now for the work you did, beyond what Nokia compensated you.
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Re: Re: Re:6
I never said anything about disagreeing with me. This rich criminal portrayal comes from torrentfreak articles, i.e. every time they post a poster about some criminals getting arrested, there’s 2 million bucks money stacks that the police have trouble carrying out from the premises and they move ferraris and other expensive items to the police headquarters so that the victims of the crimes can get even some of their money back.
This “newsarticles are displaying criminals as rich bastards” has nothing to do with getting them to agree with whatever I say. They probably never read one word from my writings.
Re: Re: Re:7
Except… that’s never happened. I don’t doubt that enforcers have gotten lucky a few times with actually arresting the correct people, but the “2 million bucks” you’re pointing out aren’t “money stacks”. They’re fines. The reason why the police isn’t hauling out this money is because the money flat out doesn’t exist. Running a pirate site is not the lucrative enterprise copyright fans keep trying to claim it is, because it simply isn’t – as any site owner will tell you, a lot of that money gets sunk back into paying maintenance fees.
You’re the one demanding that everyone here agrees with your bastardized interpretation of copyright.
Re: Re: Re:8
They don’t need to agree with it, as long as they follow the limitations and burden that copyright law places to the end users of copyrighted products.
Re: Re: Re:9 Here’s a thought
Hand it to the. Tell them to pay what they feel it’s worth.
Free software makes tens of billions in the US alone: every year.
If it’s any good; they will oay
Re: Re: Re:10
Yes, thats what I’m doing in itch.io: the money question is at “give 0 or decide your own price”, with the default set to 190e. Guess how many people signed up to this deal?
Re: Re: Re:11
It’s not the fault or business of the user for deciding your software is useless. You literally invited them to pay you how much they thought it was worth. Screaming to the government for help won’t save you.
Re: Re: Re:11
Just out of curiosity: I didn’t follow any of this conversation.
What are you selling?
Re: Re:
“2.1 billion web sites start to use 3d graphics”
None of which use your shoddy code…
“I’m just waiting for our future plans to come to fruition”
You’ve been saying that for years.
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Then they need to wait 300 years before they can get 3d stuff done properly. My tech gives this already today. I know that nerds like us are always a little ahead of the curve and our technologies do not work in the computers that ordinary people are purchasing. But still our tech is actually ready for consumption.
Re: Re: Re:2
Plenty of animated work produced by Pixar and Blender users would disagree with you. And even if that was the case, you’d still need to prove a use case for your definition of “3D stuff” and why that’s even desirable. Look at crypto and NFTs, for instance. All that’s happened is crypto and NFTs being used for money laundering and speculative investments that have, on average, done a lot more harm than good.
Even your computers can’t work on your own machine without significant overheating, as well as massive memory and data leaks. You can’t even run it on your own computers, why is it the fault of the average user for not running it on their computers?
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Re: Re: Re:3
That doesn’t work in web. All you get is some dummy videos or png files, but not actual 3d working in web.
It doesn’t need to be desirable. All it requires is that the technology is available and that people actually start using it. Noone wanted google’s adverticements to be everywhere in the web, so similar kind of thing could happen to 3d graphics too.
Crypto’s best ideas for how to get people to pay for the content they consume is based on traditional techniques: paywall, spam and money collection.
Re: Re: Re:4
Then call it antipiracy protection, intentionally built in to prevent copyright infringement due to file format incompatibility. That’s the excuse you’ve always used for Meshpage.
If it’s not desirable, why would people start using it? You’re confused on why Google ads even exist to start with. The people who pay for Google ads are not the same as the people who look at (read: adblock) Google ads.
So they provide no actual benefit, on top of facilitating incredibly dubious practices. If this was supposed to be a defense of cryptocurrency, you’ve failed.
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Re: Re: Re:5
china’s war against taiwan isn’t desirable either, but it still happens.
Re: Re: Re:6
You keep trying to appropriate human atrocities like the Russian-Ukraine war as some justification for copyright enforcement by rape. It doesn’t make you look fair, just, or reasonable. It makes you a monster who doesn’t care about human life besides exploiting it for your own twisted benefit.
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Re: Re: Re:7
Guess its fair that I got a chance to develop my dreams of better 3d web into actual product, and you didn’t get the chance. I feel sad for you.
Re: Re: Re:8
And you failed to the point where you’ve spent years trolling this website out of sheer spite. Nothing you say will ever convince anyone here to use, promote, or speak positively about Meshpage.
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Re: Re: Re:9
Well, I can return the favor, by not speaking positively about the community at techdirt. It’s understandable that you try to find all the dirt from the technologies that you encounter; given the name of the site; but eventually you need to admit that your trolling has no basis in actual facts.
Re: Re: Re:10
It’s always projection with fascist assholes like you.
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Re: Re: Re:11
That’s ok, if that projection actually results in useful technologies that the world can consume.
Re: Re: Re:12
Therefore, by your own logic, your projection is not OK.
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Re: Re: Re:13
meshpage is all about solving the problem that gadgets do not look nice. What are you to say that such feature is not useful technology? It is clearly desirable and useful feature to have in every otherwise useful product. Companies spend millions for their marketing budgets and that budget has only one goal, making the product look nice for the customer. How can you stand between millions of investor money and a technology that provides “looks nice” service to all useful products?
Re: Re: Re:14
I thought it was about bringing 3D modeling to web browsers. Or teaching kids how to 3D model. Or making a 3D modeling program that’s harder to use than other such programs because making it harder to use is somehow a good thing.
Make up your mind, you genocidal twat.
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Re: Re: Re:15
Nice thing about software development is that once you have a working product, it’s easy to figure out new innovative uses for the existing product. Just refocusing your marketing efforts to some new emerging twist and any piece of horror will get popular.
For example, AI twist might be currently good bet. You don’t actually need to build real AI, but instead a fake one that mimics AI tools, like giving random jpg files from the internet search based on the text prompt will do just fine.
Re: Re: Re:16
You’ve never said anything positive, not since you started posting without an account to log into. And you know what, I think the community here will get by as it always has. We’re not as dependent on the approval of a homicidal psychopath as you want us to be. Heck, you could do the same on GitHub and see how far that gets you.
You haven’t innovated any of those uses. You claimed that Meshpage was for teaching people how to 3D model, but despite swinging from kindergarteners to students to college-level programmers, you’ve never taught anyone how to use Meshpage except for teaching coding on Fiverr years ago. You claimed that Meshpage has cryptocurrency and NFT capabilities but that has never materialized, because downloading Meshpage has no benefit beyond causing your machine to overheat.
It’s one thing to say your tech has the potential for innovation, but that’s premised on the idea you have a “working product”. The best you’ve managed to do is come up with code so inefficient, it intentionally damages the computers that try to run it. Hell, you even regularly insult people for not having the expensive rigs to run your software.
You might not like the application of AI in this case, probably because it messes with your perfect copyright world, but unfortunately for you, the AI in this example makes things that absolutely destroy you in the “make things look good” department.
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Re: Re: Re:17
So offering my last 10 year’s work for your use without payment is not nice thing to say? It should at least be positive.
I started the whole thread by inviting you to create nice mansions with the tools that I created myself. If that’s not positive sign, then nothing is.
Re: Re: Re:18
You can offer me a lump of shit you personally laid from ten years ago, that’s not a reason for me to say anything nice about it.
You started your time on Techdirt telling us that we were all criminals who owed you money because the government of Finland didn’t make you filthy rich. You’ve done nothing but belittle and insult everyone else, saying how much you hate other humans, and now you wanted to be rewarded for that behavior? Hard pass.
Re: Re: Re:19
Yeah, but your evaluation of the shitty software failed to get cube to the screen. That’s like the first feature you encounter when you try to properly use the software.
Yes, this is all true information coming from the mouthpiece of the government. Basically when you’re outside of the borders of finland, we need to spend significant amount of resources to hire airplanes and ships that transfer the products to your location. When we found easier way to do that, and you benefit from our invention of moving the product to internet instead of using older airplane/ships solution, you’re bound to save significant amount of money.
But to qualify for the money savings, you just need to purchase our meshpage product.
Re: Re: Re:20
That’s your assumption. I’ve had actual developers I know look at your engine software. It’s not something any of them would pay for.
You’ve done no such thing. Meshpage is not responsible for any contribution to how global logistics work getting physical products from Finland to the rest of the planet. If Meshpage was even tangentially involved in any way you would have users. But you don’t. So you don’t get paid.
Re: Re: Re:14
Nobody has stood between you and the investor money you think you’re entitled to. You personally chose to stick to a business strategy that put one ad on one bus in London and called that your marketing genius plan. It’s not our responsibility or fault that you’re not currently rich beyond your wildest dreams, or that your government doesn’t think you’re worth spending your time on.
Re: Re: Re:15
So, when I tested marketing area properties with a bus ad, that’s supposedly some genius plan? Had that test actually worked, I might do it again. But since it just proved the activity futile, I didn’t bother to do it again… Can you see how the test worked? It divides the world to multiple alternative universes and one of the alternatives must be true in our universe.
Re: Re: Re:16
“Had that test actually worked, I might do it again. But since it just proved the activity futile, I didn’t bother to do it again”
As ever, congrats on learning from your mistakes, but the reason you’re mocked here is because a) it was extraordinarily obvious that it wouldn’t work, even if you had provided an ad that was comprehensible and described what you were advertising and b) you first became known here for whining that you were owed money because you overspent on a futile ad campaign.
“It divides the world to multiple alternative universes and one of the alternatives must be true in our universe.”
Indeed, there might be a universe out there where you’re not a pathetic loser with delusions of grandeur who spends his free time spouting nonsense on a site where everyone laughs at you. That universe, however, is not the one we live in.
Re: Re: Re:17
With time techdirt will grow from high school level fart jokes to actually productive members of the society. When that happens, they might reconsider their “everyone laughs” -position. I’ll still be here to give correct copyright information when that happens, and it should be enough for you.
Re: Re: Re:18
We already are. Mocking copyright maximalism like yours is a contribution to the betterment of society, because it means less people who believe that murder and rape should be used in copyright enforcement.
Re: Re: Re:8
An “actual product” that can’t even be run on the average computer system, or allow its users to upload or display anything meaningful because you prioritize pleasing the RIAA and “looking nice” over what actual users want. What you have is a threadbare tech demo, not an “actual product”. And no one is going to use the product of someone who openly supports the deaths in the Russia-Ukraine conflict because he thinks it somehow will strengthen copyright enforcement.
You can continue to do so. I feel very assured that I haven’t sunk to your level of depravity where the murder of people in the name of copyright is justified.
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Re: Re: Re:9
It runs on most computers. But web area is implementing that, so I cannot get full credit for that.
I originally implemented a web form that allows users to upload, but that was disabled after noone bothered to try it out. If there’s no user demand for the feature, I don’t need to maintain such features.
Display on the other hand is well implemented.
So when my 3d engine has 600 separate features implemented, when I take one feature from RIAA’s requirements, it kills my whole project? Whar kind of idiotic logic is that?
Looking nice is the main feature of the software.
Every user just wants different thing, there’s no consistency in the user demands. My software is optimized for those users who want their web site to look nice in 3d.
Re: Re: Re:10
In the same comment thread you mocked everyone because they can’t get it running on their computer. Your own words are pretty damning proof that Meshpage does not run effectively on the average user’s computer to do anything meaningful.
You don’t have users to attempt an upload, but from your own testimony, you’d just as easily that you closed this feature because of a slavish devotion to the RIAA’s definitions of copyright enforcement. Regardless of the explanation, no one would use software that prevents basic functions such as uploading.
It’s a “requirement”, not a “feature”, and not one that software engineers look into. No software engineer factors the RIAA being overbearing tyrants in their code. And yes, if you’re dumb enough to kill your own project by preemptively making sure nothing can be uploaded, it kills your project. It’s the same as eating 600 meals of food and one meal of poison. The 600 meals of food doesn’t matter, if you’re dumb enough to eat a meal of poison it destroys your body.
So go look for them instead of trying to evangelize for murder-based copyright enforcement. The fact that you’ve spent ten years beating your own drum and not found anyone is pretty telling how many users actually want what you’re selling, though.
Re: Re: Re:11
This isn’t true. Software developers need to listen all players in the market and build their software to fulfill the strictest requirements of every legal entity in the market. Not just RIAA.
To do it properly, you need to listen everyone in the market. This is why I’m trolling in techdirt. I want to see the “legal” position of pirates. Techdirt just happened to have biggest problems with copyrights, and it was more difficult than others to find their valid legal position.
Re: Re: Re:12
You haven’t listened to anyone but the RIAA. You keep insisting that everything you do is to seek their blessing. There is no indication that you’ve taken in any feedback beyond what you think should be the standards of copyright that even you can’t match.
No, you’re trolling in Techdirt because we’re the only ones who give your deranged thoughts any sort of attention. If you tried this on Reddit, GitHub, Ars Technica etc you’d be absolutely eviscerated by their criticism.
Techdirt holds a very simple valid legal position: don’t go overboard with copyright enforcement by suing the innocent. You personally decided to be okay with suing the innocent, which is why your role models in Prenda Law are rotting in jail, and your only respite is to stammer in anger and bitterness that people should be allowed to break the law in the name of copyright. Unfortunately that’s not how the world works, so all you can do is stay angry.
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Re: Re: Re:13
No, the comment section at least have a dubious legal position: “Compensation do not need to be paid + some excuses/reasons why that rule is important”
Re: Re: Re:14
Why do I need to pay for your software when I don’t even use it? What legal position compels me to pay you for something I haven’t bought?
Re: Re: Re:15
1) it was bundled with microsoft windows and linux
2) it gets loaded whether you want it or not
3) your bill for the virus scanner failed to disclose what all software you support when you
purchase the virus protection
4) It’s impossible to remove it from your computer without breaking the whole package
5) When it’s loaded, its main task is to calculate how much you use your computer and increase your next payment depending on your usage patterns
6) but the ads failed to mention it’s actually harmful software that is bringing you nothing useful
7) But if you end up finding a way to remove it from your computer, you at the same time lose important 3d graphics that it implements
8) thus it works on every computer on the planet without installing special software for the computer, given that the modules that were missing from your computer’s installation package will be automatically downloaded when you open the url to meshpage
9) meshpage has clear popup windows that instruct you to go pay for your computer usage
10) => more money for the authors of meshpage
11) =>=> so far we have gathered a whopping $58 from the marketplace.
It’s the deals that microsoft and open source folks made behind your back when they allowed simple url like https://meshpage.org to open automatically without your permission or request.
Re: Re: Re:16
Except that if it was bundled, you wouldn’t be here begging for users, or boasting that you have zero users.
It’s funny you’ve gone from “we have zero users and that makes us perfect” to “actually all of you are meshpage users and need to pay us” when it was convenient for you.
If you’ve got that much of a claim, you surely must have no problem with suing us to get that money you think you’re entitled to? Go ahead, champ. Put your money where your money is and sue people, let’s see how far you get in court.
Re: Re: Re:12
“Software developers need to listen all players in the market and build their software to fulfill the strictest requirements of every legal entity in the market. Not just RIAA.”
You’re in Finland. The RIAA have no jurisdiction.
You might as well be saying you need to create a music app, but you can’t offer Nightwish to the local market because Saudi Arabia might object to the way Floor Jansen dresses.
Re: Re: Re:13
Yes, listening all players in the market is important. Instead of using local rules, you should be using the rules that are valid globally. For example. woman should not be present in the material. since different countries are handling their status differently, so your material should focus only men. If you include woman, covering their faces and boobs is good plan.
Re: Re: Re:14
You don’t respect fair use, for one, so you’ve already failed on that global validity front.
Re: Re: Re:15
fair use isn’t available globally. For example, there are countries like russia which does not implement fair use rules.
Re: Re: Re:16
So you choose to ignore someone else’s copyright law? Stop the presses, Tero Pulkinnen says it’s okay to violate copyright law!
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Re: Re: Re:3
Do you have any idea that a working turing machine actually needs infinite memory space/tape.
You simply cannot do all the operations needed if the tape suddenly runs out of memory.
Re: Re: Re:4
Only if the algorithm it is running never halts, otherwise the memory needed is finite.
Re: Re: Re:5
Even if its finite, it’s still too much for your mom’s computer.
Re: Re: Re:6
Cute, you think you actually have a functioning Turing machine.
It’s also still too much for your computer. Why do you feel fit to criticize other people’s computers when you can’t even optimize your own software for your own rig?
Re: Re: Re:7
I cannot change the illegal practices of the hardware companies. GPU vendors are clearly illegally bypassing operating system memory limits.
It works on my computer very well.
Re: Re: Re:8
That’s not “illegal”. It sucks for people who want to run higher-quality textures for games, perhaps, but it’s not something that would get people arrested.
The long list of bugs and failed features that you yourself admitted to proves otherwise.
Re: Re: Re:9
This isn’t true. It goes against https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201
Circumvention of copyright protection systems.
Microsoft has explicitly put in memory limits for application processes at 750Mb of memory, and that limit cannot be bypassed without violating the law.
you’re wrong. Its just difficult to figure out where/how exactly they are violating the law.
Re: Re: Re:10
“you’re wrong. Its just difficult to figure out where/how exactly they are violating the law.”
Sour grapes at any cost.
Re: Re: Re:11
I don’t think you understand how the process works when people are trying to properly follow copyright’s rules. It’s actually difficult activity since tech developers are not copyright or law experts, and still they need to implement their tech using onerous copyright rules. And those rules can blow to your face at any given time.
But if the people who genuinely try to implement the rules properly have problems getting good result, how an earth is it going to work for people who didn’t even try to do it properly? You’re generally in that group which will have the biggest problems getting copyrights implemented.
Re: Re: Re:12
I think you’ve demonstrated on plenty of occasions that you don’t properly follow copyright’s rules, yet insist on the death penalty for everyone else for failing to follow your standards of copyright.
Copyright protection exists the moment something gets created. I’ve got works that have copyright protection, I’m just not a murderous scumbag like you when it comes to enforcing it.
Re: Re: Re:13
This isn’t enough to “implement copyrights”. The main requirement is to “respect copyright of other people”. This means that if you build a platform, the platform shouldn’t let end users violate other people’s copyright, and definitely not encourage those violations.
This isn’t enough. You need to ensure that anyone in the world that has copyright claim for some works are being treated properly and their copyright is respected. You come out as someone who wants to enforce his own copyright, but do not have any respect for other people’s copyrights, and thus you do not treat your fellow authors with the respect that they deserve. Anyone in the world that built working software deserves the respect that comes with the ownership of the working software system and it’s just not valid argument to stare at your own work and ignore the copyright claims of all the other people in the world. Treat your fellow citizen’s with the respect that you want yourself treated.
Re: Re: Re:14
We’ve already established that you don’t respect the copyright of Scott Cawthon.
If someone believes in property rights, it’s not that person’s fault if someone else in another country has their home burgled into. It doesn’t mean the person has stopped believing in property rights, but why should it be up to him to pay fines for a crime someone else committed?
Respect can be lost in the same way it can be gained. Being a software developer does not mean you can act like a money-grubbing asshole and not get criticized for it.
You treat the rest of us as scum. You treat other humans as scum to be converted into robots. There is no reason not to treat you as scum.
Re: Re: Re:2
“ Then they need to wait 300 years”
Never get high on your own supply.
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Re: Re: Re:3
Well, someone has to consume the product I create. Would you buy a product that the company itself refuses to use?
Re: Re: Re:4
The fact that you use your product, which has no other users, is not an endorsement about your creation. It’s an admission that you’re a narcissist.
I’m certain that a maker of cars has not personally driven every machine they’ve produced. I’m also certain that a shoemaker has not personally worn every pair of shoes they’ve made.
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Re: Re: Re:5
They don’t need to try out every one of them. It’s enough that they don’t fulfill their car needs with a competitor product.
Again, not needed for every pair. It’s enough that they use their own work and not get a competitor shoes.
Re: Re: Re:5
The product hasn’t killed me yet: It’s safe to use by end users.
Re: Re: Re:6
Except for it being owned by a mad, contrarian developer, who will say anything to avoid admitting to bugs and problems.
Re: Re: Re:7
Of course there are problems. Why do you think the android support is always broken and when people see meshpage.org link in their android app and try to click it, all they see is screenshots without ability to render the 3d stuff. It’s a bug/android browser crashes again. Sure, if I spent week tracking the problems, I could get it working, but then next month it’s again broken -> the effort is not worth the time it takes.
Re: Re: Re:8
Then you have no one to blame for your multitude of failures but yourself.
Re: Re: Re:9
This isn’t true. I can blame the president of united states of america, the beatles, a toilet from a train from moskov to paris, a turtle in the mutant-ninja tv show, yoda’s lightsaber, a coffee cup called “mug” and finally techdirt’s trolls.
See the blame field isn’t something that collects all the blame to one person, but instead it is a flow that goes through the whole system. Instead it’s a fixed-point free flow field.
Re: Re: Re:10
Blaming someone else for your personal failures doesn’t make them responsible for said failures.
Re: Re: Re:11
Now that you bring up personal failures, lets look at another area. You claim that popularity is biggest failure, so lets look how that goes. Why do you think that the publishing platforms like open source/free software, steam, microsoft store, youtube, android store reject my gaming software? If only they would accept the software, popularity problem would be easily solved. What do you think are the main reasons for rejection?
Basically shelf space is taken away by all the publishing platforms, you might want to examine why that happens?
Re: Re: Re:12
Yes, you might want to do that.
Re: Re: Re:13
So here’s my analysis of it:
1) open source/free software: Since I originally started in open source/free software world, but had to reject them for their missing feature: money collection. Once money collection feature lead us to proprietary software, free software folks will happily reject.
2) steam: Since I was coming from open source, and steam doesn’t allow open source and free software, steam rejected my game, and kept it in greenlight forever.
3) microsoft store: Microsoft wants everyone to use their ide tools for developing, so they reject all projects that were implemented with gnu compilers. So cmake was trying to illegally bypass microsoft technical limitations for enforcing microsoft tool usage, and meshpage/gameapi builder rejected microsoft’s tools and cmake for their illegal practices.
4) youtube: Youtube again had money issues in bad shape, when their platform has millions of videos but they only pay money to small section of them. They should reject the videos that they don’t want to pay for, but instead they just don’t give them any money.
5) android store is not suitable for browser based android apps.
Re: Re: Re:14
Nice thing to notice about these reasons is that none of them are actually evaluating the gameapi technology and its features. It’s all based on trying to win area from other existing platforms. They don’t think the meshpage/gameapi builder’s features are bad, but instead they’re just fighting over world dominance between competing platforms.
Re: Re: Re:14
Your analysis is missing one thing: your responsibility for your failures in re: Meshpage.
Re: Re: Re:15
That’s not needed when they didn’t evaluate meshpage’s technology at all. The reject reasons have nothing to do with what I have actually built.
Re: Re: Re:16
You personally admitted that your product has bugs that you had to take 3 days to find. You personally admitted that your code has so many leaks it breaks your own system.
If you can say that, what reason does the average user have to NOT reject your product, when the creator himself knows and says that it’s broken? No one is going to break their own computer for free to appease the ego of a fragile megalomaniac.
Re: Re: Re:17
This is forbidden topic. Basically error area in software is often hidden from end users by large companies. For example our favourite company Nokia published only <20 bugs to end users and claimed that the software doesn’t have any more bugs in it, but in reality there’s thousands and thousands of bugs found by end users available in the released software. This is hidden secret of the software industry that end users think that the software is free of bugs while it is never true.
I can’t take the blame for software industry’s common practices.
I don’t consider these to be leaks. we’re using industry standard shared_ptr’s to handle memory leaks and the remaining problems are not significant enough to cause the 2Gb memory issues. If you didn’t notice, that unity webgl has exactly the same problem, and it’s caused by web developer’s memory amount calculation to include gpu memory to their memory limits. GPU cards were designed to bypass memory limits by including specific gpu memory hardware that can bypass operating system limits. Web developers saw that as security problem and fixed it by counting the gpu memory slurp too. And that causes significant problems for anyone targeting web platform, since the whole reason for including the hardware is to bypass operating system memory limits.
Re: Re: Re:18
But you didn’t keep it hidden. You personally boasted about it at length to mock us as poor folk who can’t afford the expensive systems to run your software. You intentionally used it as something to insult us with. The fact that I’m using your own admissions as reasons to not use your software is on you. It’s not my responsibility to destroy my own system just to stroke your ego.
“But everyone is doing it” in general is never a good excuse, and it’s even worse coming from you, considering that your “common practices” include suing the innocent and harvesting their organs.
So you have other parts of your code contributing to 2GB memory issues. This, again, is not a defense of your code quality. It’s an admission that you have no idea what’s wrong and you have to beg for free labor so you can get rich off someone else’s work.
Re: Re: Re:19
Not really. The 2gb issues are coming from the shared_ptr area.
Re: Re: Re:19
You missed the part where I leave the dirty work to be done by the president.
Re: Re: Re:20
Not my concern. If your software is going to destroy the machine it’s used on I couldn’t care less where you think the “2gb issues” originate. The bottom line is I’m not using it.
Ah, yes, your genius plan to get someone in the government of Finland to use Meshpage and pay you for it, how’s that coming along? I thought you had a stellar business plan that would prove all of us wrong?
Re: Re: Re:21
The plan with the president is actually put Trump be the main character in our horror game located in a corn field full of evil children and using an axe to cut off heads of the children.
Yeah, young democrats like our display of Trump as a axe-wielding child-killer. The republicans just like it that we featured trump’s hair in our game. Now that all stupid americans like our horror game, there’s like unlimited amount of dollars coming our way. Perfect business plan.
Re: Re: Re:22
So we can add “willingness to harm children” to the list of reasons why Tero Pulkinnen is a madman who deserves no money.
Re: Re: Re:16
Any problems that caused those companies to reject your program (if they even did) lie with your program—which means you alone are responsible for the failures of your program.
Re: Re: Re:17
This isn’t true. There’s steam trying to fight open source, microsoft trying to fight open source, open source not implementing payment processing, and google’s android trying to push people to write native android software without fixing their gradle build tool. What part of these fights were caused by meshpage? I say none of them, I simply don’t have enough marketing muscle to cause such fights to happen.
Re: Re: Re:18
You realize that the RIAA hates open source, right? There’s been a lot of pro-copyright arguments claiming that open source is bad for software development because it makes users less willing to pay for costlier options. So if you want everyone to follow RIAA standards, you have to follow them too, which means not using or developing open source software.
And if they’re trying to fight open source, it might be as you said about Meshpage and file format compatibility. The platforms you’re trying to push Meshpage on simply aren’t compatible with your file formats, because they think you’re trying to commit copyright infringement. In that case, you should have no choice but to respect their standards.
Re: Re: Re:19
The actual rule is that software developers should build such software that it respects the position of every available entity in the market. Violating one entity isn’t defensible position if you at the same time limelight their competitor.
Yes, following copyright and implementing software that respects RIAA’s copyright interests is good practise.
This isn’t true. RIAA values all authors equally. open source and free software developers are clearly authors. There’s thus no reason to not develop or use open source software.
Re: Re: Re:20
And if software is copyrighted in one country but under fair use in another country are you going to fuck over the country that has a different copyright law?
Which you’ve failed to do so.
If they did, you wouldn’t be complaining that your software’s copyright is weaker than the copyright of Star Wars.
Re: Re: Re:21
There isn’t such thing as “software is under fair use”. Just call it what it is: Copyright Infringement. No amount of bypassing the legal muster is going to make your blatant copyright infringement fall into fair use legislation.
Repeat this few times: Fair Use is Not a Permission to Commit Copyright Infringement.
What you need is proper permission from the copyright owner. Nothing else will give you permission to copy, distribute, perform these works. If that isn’t possible, you simply do not have any permission to do those operations. And then you should stop doing those exclusive operations reserved for the authors and copyright owners only.
Copyright owners in today’s society are really slightly exclusive club which has special priviledges to do stuff that is forbidden from other people. But you simply cannot avoid that by trying reshape/restate the situation in different terminology. That simply isn’t how the law works.
Re: Re: Re:22
If you had a case for suing people involving copyright infringement and Meshpage, you would have brought it to court already.
The fact is, you don’t. Meshpage has no users, no platforms actually want Meshpage on it, and the only out you have is screaming at everyone else for not kissing your footprints and sucking your cock because nobody acknowledges your imaginary genius.
There was, perhaps, a time when copyright owners and holders held some privilege that enabled them to rape and steal from others via simple accusations. But thanks to that abuse the courts have come down hard on people who make such baseless claims, and that makes your blood boil with anger because, just like the scam call centers in India, that’s less money for you. Good.
Re: Re: Re:16
The failure list in meshpage/gameapi looks something like this(see, nothing from this list is listed as reject reason from the platforms):
1) water effect is not implemented because doing it perfectly/pixel perfect way requires solving navier-stokes existence and smoothness problem, which we are currently unable to do.
2) in 3d area, meshpage/builder has used static parameters alot, so it has significant problems with dynamic stuff, since all dynamic parameters are hidden from the node graph — part of the blame is in opengl’s features.
3) native android app for meshpage is nowhere to be found because gradle build tool cannot handle dependencies in correct way that would allow building the project to android.
4) Scripting support has been rejected because it is unable to solve the problems that people associate to the scripting to solve. Recommendation is to use c++ instead, which we use natively. Scripting also caused significant build-performance issues.
5) Creating larger than 1200 lines of builder scripts has been explicitly disabled for copyright issues. End users tried to illegally bypass our copyright protection with the scripting language.
6) Proper lights implementation has not been implemented because the math is too difficult and the performance characteristics of existing available implementations are not suitable for our project.
7) We’re explicitly rejecting deferred rendering in our rendering pipeline.
So this is the kind of issues these technology evaluation people should be finding from the technology, but nothing like this has been seen from their rejections.
Re: Re: Re:17
Thanks for finding more reasons for other people to not use your software.
Re: Re: Re:18
I didn’t “immediately” find those reasons. Something like water effect has been requirement from day 1, i.e. it’s been 10 years in progress of being implemented, but the implementation attempts have all failed. Basically none of the other technologies can solve those problems I have identified.
Re: Re: Re:19
The admission that you failed to solve a known requirement after 10 years is not a reason to give you money. Why should anyone reward you for 10 years of failing to make progress?
And yet, Pixar continues to produce works with water physics from Finding Nemo to Ratatouille to Luca. If you’re trying to claim that nobody else can make convincing water effects, you’ve failed miserably.
Re: Re: Re:20
There’s one million bucks reward for first person in the world who can solve the navier-stokes existence and smoothness problem.
They’re still failing to get pixel perfect solution that reproduces the nature’s behaviour of turbulence.
Re: Re: Re:21
And yet, they’re getting paid for it while you’re here doing nothing but whine.
Re: Re: Re:22
If they’re accepting money for the work, but still are unable to get the work done, isn’t that fraud?
Re: Re: Re:23
I can assure you that if Pixar ever gets to a point where they need to accurately render a turbulent storm, they’ll do it – all without needing to sue people, unlike you.
Re: Re: Re:24
That’s the requirement I got from internet when I started working on my 3d engine. 10 years later, I still haven’t solved the millennium problem, so water effect is nowhere to be found. We figured that navier-stokes existence and smoothness is required for turbulent flows and if we want pixel-perfect rendering, the hacks like texture-scrolling that games normally use are not sufficiently accurate representation of the water flows. There are just some technical problems with the math that prevents smooth solution of the navier-stokes.
I don’t think pixar is anywhere near solving navier-stokes. The hacks that ordinary games and rendering farms are using to simulate turbulent flows are not nearly accurate enough and anyone who has ever saw a real flame or smoke is able to recognize your hacks as insufficient simulation.
Re: Re: Re:25
And yet, they’re the ones making more than $58 in ten years, while the only thing you have on them is vaguely claiming they must have stolen from you. If you had such a case, you would have sued them already.
Re: Re: Re:17
Any attempt to place the burden of fixing your program onto the non-existent Meshpage userbase is an abdication of your responsibility as the creator and programmer of Meshpage.
Re: Re: Re:18
Why is it that these “users” cannot get cube to the screen? There has not been significant problems with cube rendering in over 9 years, so they have no reason to fail in that task.
The failure list is not trying to blame users. It’s blaming tools and technologies instead of users. There is always technical reason why some practise is not suitable for our project, it never tried to blame humans or users or persons or anything like that. Technology can take the beating.
Re: Re: Re:19
The failures of Meshpage are still your responsibility; nobody else can (or will) fix those failures for you.
Re: Re: Re:20
I try to keep my failures in area where NOONE IN THE WORLD CAN SOLVE THEM. See how that works. If noone in the world can solve it, we’re safe in our requirements list.
Re: Re: Re:21
Your “requirements” are failures if not even you can fix the issues with them, which means Meshpage is a failure for which you and you alone are responsible.
Re: Re: Re:22
This isn’t true. Clients and end users are choosing which features end up in the requirement’s list. Original requirement list do not get filtered based on what features are feasible to implement. And when implementing “reject” features from symbian, there is bound to be features that are difficult or impossible to implement. And once the problems are found, the priority of such features need to go lower.
Re: Re: Re:23
Any failure to implement your “requirements” as you imagine them is your responsibility.
Re: Re: Re:24
These failures shouldn’t cause our popularity problems, given that the same hardware limitations are also available to all our competitors, and none of the software developers is able to “bypass” those limitations and find a workaround that does not change the underlying limitation.
Re: Re: Re:25
Your popularity problems are caused by your failure to attempt any kind of outreach to the people you expect to be users, as well as your constantly disdainful, abrasive, and psychopathic approach to anyone who doesn’t worship the ground you walk on.
If not for Techdirt users responding to you as a thought exercise for what happens when someone is obsessed with copyright law at any cost, such as yourself, you wouldn’t have anyone to give you any attention. GitHub doesn’t want you, especially not after you hid all your code and the only contributions you make there is to demand that they suck off the RIAA. The one proper review you have for Meshpage is a British teenager who thinks your tech demo is an atrocious mess. The only contribution you’ve made is to defend copyright enforcers who are only capable of breaking the law.
Re: Re: Re:26
They just wanted my money I guess.
yeah, that’s why the github submission page shows all green.
Re: Re: Re:27
Same as you. You only want our money, because that’s all other human beings are to you: sacks of money and vital organs to be killed off for your personal profit.
That you haven’t broken the rules over there is not a glowing appraisal of your skill or personality. It just means you haven’t committed any felonies, despite veering very closely to fitting the profile of a mass shooter like Anders Breivik.
Re: Re: Re:28
I don’t think you even know what a github submission page is. For example, I have it here:
https://github.com/terop2
See it doesnt say anything about following any rules or anything like that, it only contains information of how many commits I have submitted to git during that time.
Re: Re: Re:29
Looks like github pages are giving some bullshit to non-logged-in users, so here’s proper url with actual info:
https://meshpage.org/meshpage_7
Re: Re: Re:30
No, what you’ve put up is bullshit, so that’s not a surprise.
Re: Re: Re:31
You’re again doing it wrong. You shouldn’t blame me for stuff that is clearly github’s responsibility. More accuracy in your statements is clearly needed.
Re: Re: Re:32
I think the blame is more related to the guy who admitted before that he cut off access to other users when those other users started telling him how reality worked…
Re: Re: Re:33
misuse of the provided services is a serious matter, which always requires a proper response. Open Source was always too idealistic, when their idea is that source code is used for something useful instead of just bashing the work that people are doing. When their best bug report deals with indentation, there’s not much reason to keep source code available.
Re: Re: Re:34
If your code is so poorly written that indentation becomes an issue, that’s not the fault of people critiquing your code.
Re: Re: Re:35
my code isn’t indented to the right side of the editor window. It also doesn’t have fart jokes as comments. So there is really no reason to complain about non-functional aspects of the code and there could be better ways to use your time. Like try to figure out working solutions to the memory problems or rendering glitches, or maybe light/shadowmaps etc. Still plenty of features to improve, but staring at fart jokes is not going to help one bit.
Re: Re: Re:36
If you, the developer, haven’t figured that out, why the fuck are you blaming me for it?
Re: Re: Re:19
You’ve claimed multiple times, in this comment thread, that it’s our fault not finding the bugs that took you three days to find.
From the very first day since you’ve been here, you’ve done nothing but troll, belittle, and insult us for not doing your work for free. You’ve made it clear abundantly that you hate colleagues, you hate children, you hate other humans. This sort of blatant lie that you don’t blame other people is low, Tero, even for you.
Re: Re: Re:20
THis is not what the failure list is doing.
This is not what the failure list is doing.
This is not what the failure list is doing.
basically the failure list directly answers your question about what I think are the biggest problems in meshpage/builder. It had no human element in it, it handles only technology.
Re: Re: Re:21
You might claim that the “failure list” doesn’t blame users. But this is not only about what your tech fails to do (which is a lot). This is about the sheer disregard you have for human life in your pursuit of endless copyright. It might surprise you, but people tend not to be sympathetic to assholes.
Re: Re: Re:22
I didn’t write the law. But I also do not ignore the rules that it enforces.
So, now following the law as it’s been given to us by the legal eagles makes us assholes…
All the ordinary people need to be criminals?
Re: Re: Re:23
As copyright law is written, you can and will be sued because someone like you thinks that they have grounds for a copyright infringement lawsuit – by forwarding a message on WhatsApp, by using a combination of colors, by saying certain words in a certain order because someone trademarked the word “The”, and so on. The list of how many ways people can inadvertently violate copyright law is endless, and even the RIAA were caught using photographs they didn’t have the licence to use. They were never punished. By your own rules, the RIAA should have been burned to the ground.
The law does not state that people need to be murdered for copyright enforcement, nor does it guarantee you millions of dollars for the work you previously did and were already paid for. You don’t know what the hell the rules are because all you care about is making money off the suffering of others.
Re: Re: Re:24
Yes, this would be minor problem. Think of the situation where some poor soul that spent 20 years hidden deep inside google’s organisation decides to start a business of his own using google’s trademarks and their technology that noone else in the world is aware of. That’s when copyright law is really needed. Right solution in this case would be to reconfigure their brainwaves and forget everything that happened inside google, but when this poor soul decides that following copyright is too difficult for him and decides to run with google’s carefully researched technology, without any ability to control its behaviour or consiquences.
The legal eagles are not paid significant amount of money for no good reasons, and when they need to take significant steps towards more legal position, you know that something horrible has happened. The real danger is when they let these technologies run without carefully designed restrictions and it breaks large area of the world.
Re: Re: Re:25
So why didn’t the RIAA reconfigure their brainwaves, instead of using someone else’s copyrighted content which they didn’t pay for, and were later found out to have infringed on copyright?
If the RIAA can’t even follow their own laws, why is it up to the rest of the world to follow yours? You’ve never been able to answer this, because you’re a psychopath who thinks all of us are holes to be raped.
Re: Re: Re:12
File format incompatibility for copyright protection and enforcement.
Hey, if that’s the excuse you use for Meshpage.
Re: Re: Re:13
None of the platform got that far in their evaluation. Had they actually evaluated the technology, this would have been one item in a list of 100 different problems. But no, they never even noticed this.
Re: Re: Re:14
And what proof do you have of this? Hint: simply getting an unfavorable reaction is not, in itself, proof that this was an issue.
Actually, given the fact that Meshpage is built on the foundation of Symbian code, Meshpage could actually be considered to violate the API copyrights of Symbian.
Re: Re: Re:15
Things like where microsoft store’s submission policies are failing when submitting the software to be distributed in microsoft store. Obviously we read the small print and when we find some onerous rules that is impossible for us to fulfill, we can consider it a decision of the company that they do not want this kind of software distributed in their store front. They had odd rules that gaming software is considered lower class than application software, and that the signing process requires that the software is built with microsoft’s compiler toolchain. Other vendors have similar problems.
This isn’t true.
This isn’t true. We actually handled the issue properly. The solution is to do with not using any symbian code, changing all coding conventions/practises as far as it’s possible without actually breaking the software, and using only rejected features that the companies chose not to include to the user interface, etc…
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Or a simpler explanation, your non-existent team didn’t actually read the rules thoroughly enough. Steam’s greenlight workshop regularly gets a lot of poorly made content that slips through the cracks, so this idea that the platform doesn’t like your software with no explanation is in itself suspect. But then you’re the sort of jerkwad who blames anyone and everyone when your crappy product doesn’t sell, just like Uwe Boll did.
So you changed the names. You realize that name changes alone don’t mean shit, right? If all you’re doing is changing the names so everything works exactly the same that’s still plagiarism.
Stricter copyright law wouldn’t care, especially considering you worked on this during your time in Symbian.
Re: Re: Re:17
You don’t seem to understand anything about how programmers work. These “names” are required to make programmer think the right way. The name change also changes how a programmer thinks, i.e. all our brainwaves were reconfigured to different settings. It’s not just search/replace of the source code, but instead every time when a programmer writes new source code, he needs to think through different terminology and that changes everything about how the software is being designed. You really have to go so deep to avoid copyright infringement when you have a history of 20 years of being a sponge of new ideas coming from one direction only and then your whole world is taken away from you. Google just axed 12000 employees today, so they’re next set of people who need to do the same process of changing their brainwaves to different settings. We predicted it two weeks early and our most recent ludumdare game explicitly has axe-feature implemented. See https://meshpage.org/441 for how it works. So our prediction ability might not be able to predict more than 2 weeks in advance against google’s finetuned organisation, but we also predicted children of the corn kind of horror to happen, and we’re still waiting for google to get their food supply, water supply, coca cola supply, corn flakes, canned food, potatoes, frozen veggies, etc to work properly before we are finished with our RIAA/MPAA fury.
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I understand that you were desperately trying to bank on Oracle winning a several billion dollar fine from Google as part of some twisted copyright crusade. Which they failed. Neither has your tech replaced Google, so this Children of the Corn scenario is nothing more than your sad, pathetic fantasy.
Re: Re: Re:8
That you don’t see this as a glaring issue is a huge warning sign. If even the developer can’t be motivated to fix the problems with his own software, and blames users when they don’t find bugs AND when they do find bugs – what reason, exactly, do people have to use your tech beyond your vague insistence that people will eventually have to? Who wants to pay a lunatic in Finland just to be treated like shit? If I wanted to be treated like shit I’d go to actual work and get paid for it.
Re: Re: Re:9
I just blame the users to be lazy:
1) when they couldn’t find that my engine was broken for 3 days
2) and they couldn’t find that android version of the engine was not working for 3 weeks
And the reason for assinging this to laziness is because they never got a cube to the screen even though my documentation clearly explains how to get cube to the screen.
Re: Re: Re:10
No one’s going to work for you for free, Tero. Especially when your only incentive for your users is your constant insults, belittlement, and rape threats. If you personally take three days to find out where you fucked up your code, that’s on you. Not anyone else.
Re: Re: Re:11
So why do you expect me to work for free then?
Re: Re: Re:12
Nobody expects you to work at all—including, apparently, yourself.
Re: Re: Re:13
Your whole copyright position is that I have not worked enough to meet the requirements that the large vendors like blender and unity and unreal engine are able to implement. Why are you now changing your position to something completely different? Can’t you make your mind?
Re: Re: Re:14
My position is that you don’t plan to fix the problems with Meshpage because you’re too busy trolling this website with your complaints about how everyone else is to blame for Meshpage’s failures despite nobody else but you being directly and singularly responsible for the creation and upkeep of Meshpage.
Re: Re: Re:15
Well, if you didn’t notice, I made software releases all the time during the time when I was trolling. itch.io has good analysis of the dates when the software releases happened:
GameApi-Builder v27-08
48 days ago
GameApi Builder now available for docker containers
Aug 30, 2022
GameApi-Builder-v27-07
Aug 02, 2022
GameApi-Builder-v27-06
Jul 25, 2022
builder api changevupdate
Jun 15, 2022
Major release v27 update.
Jun 12, 2022
Minor bugfix release
Apr 29, 2022
GameApi Builder v27-2 (bugfix release#2)
Dec 19, 2021
See this, constant releases are being published all the time. And I haven’t even written an ad for every release that I’ve made.
Re: Re: Re:16
The fact that your last update was 48 days ago is not a sign that you’ve been working while you were trolling. You keep insisting that the rest of us have worse work ethics than you, and yet you can proudly say here that it’s been 48 days since your last update release? I’ve never heard of a developer who was able to put out quality work once every 48 days while still trolling other nobodies on the Internet.
Re: Re: Re:17
Guess I’m notable exception to the rule.
Re: Re: Re:18
Nah you’re just full of shit and mad that no one buys your busted ass product.
Re: Re: Re:19
That’s still better than what you can do:
1) at least I have a product to sell
2) there’s clear product development history that proves that customers get value for their money
3) I’m using industry standard distribution channels like itch.io and ordinary web pages
Now if your activity was evaluated under the above criteria, how many tickmarks would you get?
Re: Re: Re:20
Your product is free to download, not sell. And given your own claim that your paywall is invisible, whatever mechanism for users to transfer money to you can’t even be seen.
Having a development log doesn’t mean much when you take 48 days to get anything done because you’re too busy trolling people on a small website. Customers tend not to want to give developers money for trolling.
If this was all you needed to make a lot of money, you wouldn’t be here complaining that you haven’t.
Plenty of coders don’t have products they can personally sell. They can’t market the products by themselves, and they’re not typically in charge of the websites marketing those products either. And yet, like you, they’d be easily able to claim that they’re involved in millions of devices used worldwide. They’d be making more than your “$58 in 10 years”. Which I do.
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I can explain the reason’s why I’m here
1) I got some copyright bonus points from creating 150 million phones
2) I wanted to help the world
3) I looked the internet, trying to find biggest copyright problems
4) and tadaa.. TechDirt seemed to have the most copyright problems in the world that I could find
5) so I decided to help them to do the correct thing recarding copyrights
6) so I tried to troll some valid copyright bits to your direction, so that you’d feel the wrath of RIAA/MPAA
7) and this trolling gave you information how copyrights need to be handled. It’s your own issue if you reject the information given to you
8) I’ve done my world-helping business. Now I feel like bill gates giving money to charity
Re: Re: Re:22
Nothing in copyright law gives you “points” to use on commenting anywhere. And you didn’t “create” 150 million phones, you contributed to a part of that project – for which you don’t own the copyright to. Nokia/Microsoft does.
Don’t lie to yourself, Tero.
You could have gone to the Pirate Bay, or literally any major community of BitTorrent pirates or filesharers. Techdirt, at best, writes commentaries on copyright. Which is entirely legal. The truth is you don’t go anywhere else because your arguments would be eviscerated, more viciously than we already do over here.
The RIAA/MPAA is not going to take marching orders from some nobody in Finland who lives 15km away from his nearest neighbor. Whatever influence the RIAA/MPAA enjoy today is a far cry from the blank checks they got from judges during the early 2000s. They can’t even sue the right people most of the time, so… on a personal level, I don’t feel a jot of their wrath. Where decent human beings are concerned is when the RIAA/MPAA and scum like you think destroying the lives of innocent people is justified.
This advice is meaningless from one guy who failed to recognize that an asset package he bought infringed on copyright law and refused to be punished for it.
Sure, if you’re already that rich you’re more than welcome to throw away the $58 you made over ten years.
Re: Re: Re:23
These are too close to home and thus overlaps badly with the area where symbian phones are available. 2nd requirement for choosing techdirt for trolling was that it’s outside of the scope where symbian has influence. Otherwise I’ll be just repeating my own pattern with a repeat.
But, at worst, techdirt encourages pirates to continue their bad practices since they found acceptance to the illegal practices from the internet.
Re: Re: Re:24
Symbian phones aren’t even available now. If your point is to say that you don’t want to look like a fool around people who you think are going to start co-developing Symbian-based software with you, I can say without a doubt this was already not happening to begin with. The fact that your name Tero Pulkinnen can now be tied to your copyright-maximalism, pro-murder trolling on Techdirt, means that anyone getting into Symbian development will now know the kind of maniac they have to work with.
And come on, we’ve been over this. You don’t want to work with a team because you think humans are either scum or wallets for you to steal from. You don’t want a team, and no team wants you either.
You already do.
You can keep getting angry at the fact that fair use exists, that’s not going to make it disappear.
Re: Re: Re:17 Huh?
You just described WinAmp over more than a decade. Seriously, from 1999-2012 that was the general idea, troll the competition!
I mean, they shipped the product with a troll clip!!!!!!! Whips the lama’s ass?
Re: Re: Re:14
You could have chosen not to. You could have put the entirety of Meshpage behind a paywall and charged for it, without providing a free-to-download option. For that matter, you’ve already mentioned that you’ve hidden premium functions behind an “invisible paywall”, so you do in fact plan to not work for free. (The specifics of how you expect to receive money from potential users have never been defined, but that’s neither here nor there.) I don’t expect you to work for free, I expect to not owe you money or work because it’s my choice and I have no stake in your success.
It’s the same with literally any job. A chef working in a kitchen will work hours every day, and that work isn’t for free. But if I don’t eat at the restaurant where his food is served, I don’t owe him money. That doesn’t mean he worked for free.
That position is not rooted in copyright, but it is nevertheless true to state that your product is not usable in the same way that Blender, Unity and Unreal are usable. There are bugs and a lack of features that you yourself have admitted to on the basis that no one else will slave away to find bugs for you.
If you can’t even solve those bugs which you know exists, I ask again – why should anyone pay you for something that you know, full well, is a broken, substandard product? That’s not a copyright issue or position. That is you thinking that everyone owes you money because you got cheated out of developing what you wanted to years ago while working with Symbian.
Re: Re: Re:15
Of course it is rooted to copyright. The whole argument I keep hearing all the time is that “compensation do not need to be paid to authors for the following reasons:
1) you can’t beat unity/unreal/blender’s featureset
2) your technology is a failure and market has decided otherwise by not making it popular
3) there’s still bugs in the software and thus its unusable for users
4) copyright protection features are causing the popularity problems
5) you can’t even decide your target audience properly and keep shifting the product from one audience to another..”
I.e. lots of excuses to get “compensation do not need to be paid” through the system.
Re: Re: Re:16
I’ll only focus on the fourth point, because none of the other points brought up have anything to do with copyright.
File format incompatibility, once again, is not a copyright protection feature. It’s as good as saying that a piece of paper has strong copyright protection because it doesn’t let you use a thumb drive to see the code embedded inside. But since you enjoy using it as an excuse for why your software is superior to everything else, I’ve pointed out earlier that Steam, the App Store, and other platforms should follow the same rule and ban your open source code from their platforms as a copyright protection system.
The other reasons have nothing to do with copyright, but are entirely reasonable to use as reasons why your software shouldn’t be used. I would not use your software to teach children how to code or model 3D objects, and in fact, you personally admitted that it’s for college-level students, which is why you’ve never actually taught children how to use it. It took you years to even get to that point, because for the longest time, the only explanation you had for why Meshpage is for children is because you believed that adults were too stupid for your software.
So if we’re all too stupid for your software, why should we pay you for it? Because you expect to be rewarded for futile efforts? Then go to someone who cares, and get their money.
Re: Re: Re:17
It can be used as a defense to copyright infringement. If the software does not let pirated material displayed to the user interface, it is clearly working as expected vrt user interface copyrights. File format incompability is clearly implementing such “does not let” operation.
Actually, you missed the point slightly. It’s for high-school level children.
Yes for the same reason why adults never used amigas when we were young. Can you explain why amigas were exclusively reserved for children? Adults were just too stupid to use it and they never had the time to learn new tricks.
Re: Re: Re:18
And yet, the RIAA continued to sue dead grandmothers for using software that wasn’t compatible with the machines they were claimed to use while alive. And a “defense” is not a feature. The fact that copyright infringement of a CD cannot take place with a piece of paper does not mean you can market A4 paper as having an anti-copyright infringement feature.
Who you still haven’t tested Meshpage on. Your point is moot. You wouldn’t test Meshpage on anyone because your hatred of other humans gets in the way constantly.
Who do you think were the ones programming on Amigas? It wasn’t the children.
Re: Re: Re:19
I have tested meshpage on ludumdare now 11 times:
https://tpgames.org/games_list.png
You can consider that as a proof that high-school level children has tested the engine. So you have two alternatives, either you declare that ludumdare is unsuitable for high-school level children, or you need to admit that meshpage/gameapi has been tested with such kids.
Re: Re: Re:20
No, because you’re not a high-school level child. You’re an adult, who you have claimed multiple times is unsuitable for your software, because you think all adults are too close-minded and idiotic to use it. You might act and think like a petulant brat, but you’re not a kid.
Re: Re: Re:21
You don’t understand that the authors of the material has some priviledges that are not available to the rest of the world. Copyright law calls them “exclusive operations reserved for the copyright owner”, and this gives authors significant amount of power over the rest of the population. So the rules that govern your ass are not suitable to control me (as an author of meshpage).
Re: Re: Re:22
Those privileges do not extend to treating like you’re better than you actually are.
Prenda Law thought copyright law would allow them to steal and rape. And that led to their arrest.
Sure, they are not invincible
But they still rule the markets. Know of any other Internet companies that have risen while Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon have been hit this year?
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TikTok? Discord? Those are two off the top of my head. In fact, I’m using this new website called Bandlab which is a browser-based Digital Audio Workstation wherein you can create and fork tracks as well as collaborate with other people over the internet on making tracks.
Oh yeah, and as Mike said, Mastodon and OpenAI have also risen.
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Yes, they are market leaders, but…
Google still rules in some places, but there’s ProtonMail for email, HedgehogDocs for the GProductivity Suite… (Oh, and MS Office/Libreoffice)
Mastodon and Nostr for social media, also, TikTok and apparently Tumblr is coming back.
Amazon has Shopify as a potential competitor.
And if we’re talking software, there’s a FOSS alternative for the important ones.
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And some kid in his basement who will destroy all of them.
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Several.
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“Know of any other Internet companies that have risen while Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon have been hit this year?”
Plenty. Admittedly a lot of them use AWS or GCP instead of their own datacentre to operate, but there’s a lot of them. Not having enough money to buy countries doesn’t mean they didn’t gain success.
If it doesn’t make the rich richer, it’s not going to happen.
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Thank you too
TechDirt, even when wrong, is still an entertaining place to read and write. Thanks for all the work that goes into keeping it that way. Discussions open to all viewpoints are supremely important in ultimately determining the truth of things, and no matter how many people here yell and curse and flag and moderate, the fact that the discussions do remain mostly open is a hopeful sign.
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Eat a bag of dicks you Neo Nazi scumbag.
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Campaigning for “most insightful”, are we?
Optimism about Freedom of Impression and Fiddleware (Federated Middleware)
A new reason for optimism is outlined in my latest Tech Policy Press article. The Fediverse can create a fertile market for a new, federated kind of middleware that can give us back control of our impressions — without need for legislating delegatability. (If that emerges, the platforms will have to join in.) https://techpolicy.press/into-the-plativerse-through-fiddleware/
What does Elaina White think of all this?
Futures
Big companies can innovate just as well as little ones. Apple’s ultra chia is the fastest mass production chip in history. And such a big jump over the competition it’s on a whine ‘bother planet.
Sadly they’re alone in usefulness.
Samsung made a foldable phablet that is all hype and not all that useful.
Amazon still can’t get a good phone system out
Microsoft makes the best non-BSD release in a long time with its latest arm update; and continues to refuse to license it out for consumers.
Right to repair has made inroads. But politicians still refuse to adjust warranty laws to protect manufacturers from stupid people.
The economy will fix itself now that democrats can’t push trillion dollar packages of fluff and activism.
Trump set the economy in an out of control race. Biden’s solution was to grab the wheel and turn into a brick wall. But the damage from both is survivable as long as the pork packages are over with.
Near door fibre has left the big cities and is now reaching suburbia across the country.
The hands-off epa has proven itself even with Biden’s dumb green ideas being forced. Recycling innovation (the most important aspect of environmental protection) has continued even in the post Trump hampering of progress. The 5 largest city areas, comprising nearly 90% of our country’s population, now have the ability to publicly recycle nearly all plastic, including ABS, CBM, and EPS. Three types most often landfilled.
Competition in electric cars is bringing prices down to a reasonable level, without the show-off hype driving the artificial markups.
Reliable high speed internet, for those willing to pay, exists for 95% of the country’s population today.
5G is actually seeing faster than expected buildout. And has proven to match the hype.
It’s a good outlook for tech. In all sub fields.
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Any of them say “Matthew Bennet” on them?
To be fair…
I think Matthew Bennett has shown time and time again that he’s willing to publicly humiliate himself.
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You won’t be part of the better internet.
Hi, John Smith.
I already am, friend. And you will be too.
That has got to be like a bucket of water in Oz.
But what if I don’t what Jhon to be part of the better Internet since all he’ll do is harass people more with his vitriol?
Jhon*