New Year’s Message: Moving Fast And Breaking Things Is The Opposite Of Tech Optimism

from the it-ain't-optimism-if-you-ignore-reality dept

Every year since 2008, my final post of the year for Techdirt is about optimism. This makes this year’s post (which will be the only post for today — go out and enjoy the holiday times, people) my 15th such post. As I said, this process began back in 2008 when I had a few people note that there was this weird dichotomy in which I wrote about all of the ways that technological progress was under attack, and yet I remained a strong believer in the power of innovation to make the world a better place. The question raised to me was: how is it that I remained optimistic, despite seeing all these attacks on progress?

You can go back and read that very first message, or any of the other final optimistic posts of the year here:

I think about what I’m going to write in these posts all year long, and initially I thought this year’s post would be a continuation on last year’s, which talked about the opportunities for new, independent and decentralized services to take away market share from the large centralized silos, as well as new advances in generative AI often coming from smaller companies, rather than the old giants (though some of the momentum has shifted a bit this past year). The growth of decentralized systems has been super exciting and I’m super optimistic about where things are headed on that front.

But, then, in October, venture capitalist Marc Andreessen published his own Techno-Optimist Manifesto, and suddenly there were all sorts of discussions about techno optimism… and most of those discussions were mind-numbingly stupid.

I should note upfront that I know some people have a kneerjerk reaction to people like Andreessen. Many of the responses I saw were along the lines of “stupid out of touch rich guy…” and I get where those responses come from, but I had a different one. Over the years, I’ve learned a lot from Marc, and find that I tend to agree with 60 to 70% of what he says while finding the other part… confusingly simplistic. And I sorta had the same response to his Techno-Optimist manifesto.

(Just as a disclaimer, years back, Marc donated a small amount of money to us when we were sued, and used to link to Techdirt articles regularly. Another partner at his VC firm, A16Z, called me once to say that Marc told the entire A16Z staff that they should read Techdirt. But then, something shifted, and Marc blocked me — and tons of other journalists — on Twitter and stopped linking to Techdirt. So, apparently his opinion of us changed at some point. My opinion of him remains pretty much the same).

There’s actually plenty of stuff in the manifesto that I agree with. It’s just that most of it is the kind of obvious stuff. Technological progress has, on the whole, been incredibly beneficial to the world. It has improved the lives of literally billions of people, providing them much more for way less. I know that it has become out of style among some these days, but I’m a big believer in the Paul Romer view of the world regarding how technological innovation is the lever of economic growth, by taking ideas that are infinitely reproduceable (an abundance) and using them to effectively level up all sorts of things, including much that is or was scarce.

Ideas and the ability to share them are the key to growth. Thomas Jefferson got this right two centuries ago in his letter to Isaac McPherson. While it is often quoted in the context of questions around patents or other intellectual property, what Jefferson is actually explaining is how technological progress is the engine of economic growth, in that it enables new things without using up the resource (the idea) that create them:

if nature has made any one thing less susceptible, than all others, of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an Idea; which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the reciever cannot dispossess himself of it. it’s peculiar character too is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. he who recieves an idea from me, recieves instruction himself, without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, recieves light without darkening me. that ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benvolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point; and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement, or exclusive appropriation. inventions then cannot in nature be a subject of property.

I see that in conjunction with Joel Mokyr’s concept of “the lever of riches,” and how technological innovation really does help bring so many people out of poverty.

There are, of course, plenty of important questions and concerns about the distribution of riches and those still left behind. There are important questions, similarly, about the concentration of power (not just wealth) that some of this technology has enabled as well. And I think those are questions worth thinking about, whereas Andreessen appears to be arguing that we can mostly ignore those questions if we just push for even more innovation and growth. I think that’s wrong, and actually limits growth as we’ll get to shortly.

And this is where Andreessen’s manifesto loses me. He argues that anyone trying to look at these issues and to come up with better approaches is somehow an “enemy of progress.”

We have enemies.

Our enemies are not bad people – but rather bad ideas.

Our present society has been subjected to a mass demoralization campaign for six decades – against technology and against life – under varying names like “existential risk”, “sustainability”, “ESG”, “Sustainable Development Goals”, “social responsibility”, “stakeholder capitalism”, “Precautionary Principle”, “trust and safety”, “tech ethics”, “risk management”, “de-growth”, “the limits of growth”.

This demoralization campaign is based on bad ideas of the past – zombie ideas, many derived from Communism, disastrous then and now – that have refused to die.

First of all, it’s weird to claim that these ideas stem from “communism,” when, um, basically none of them do?

But, more importantly, many of these principles are not at all “enemies” of technological progress, but making sure that it is most useful. I can agree that concept like “de-growth” are generally ridiculous and ignorant, but many of the other ideas… are actually important for the sake of technological progress. Take, for example, Andreessen’s discussion of nuclear power. Andreessen rightly points out that nuclear power (both fission and the potential for fusion) could be a silver bullet for “virtually unlimited zero-emissions energy,” but that it has not come to pass. He implies that the concepts he discusses above as the “enemies” are to blame for this:

Our enemy is the Precautionary Principle, which would have prevented virtually all progress since man first harnessed fire. The Precautionary Principle was invented to prevent the large-scale deployment of civilian nuclear power, perhaps the most catastrophic mistake in Western society in my lifetime. The Precautionary Principle continues to inflict enormous unnecessary suffering on our world today. It is deeply immoral, and we must jettison it with extreme prejudice.

But… that gets everything backwards. The reason for this excessive caution around nuclear power was the lack of thoughtful and careful early deployments, leading to disasters like Three Mile Island and Chernobyl.

It’s perfectly reasonable to suggest that the precautionary principle has gone too far, and overreacted to such a degree that we’re holding back useful nuclear deployments, but if we had been more careful and thoughtful in the early deployments of nuclear power, such that meltdowns were not something we had to deal with and the risk was effectively zero, then we’d see much more nuclear power around the globe.

The same is true in other contexts. Almost all of the examples he puts forth as “enemies” here are not trying to hold back progress, but rather to make sure that progress is done in a way that maximizes the benefits while minimizing the downside risks.

Marc’s manifesto reads as though any attempt to minimize downside risks is, itself, immoral, but he misses the forest for the trees: if you (ahem) just move fast and break things, the backlash and restrictions are going to be much greater in the long run then if you just take some time and some effort to think about how to deploy things in a way that does much less damage upfront.

If you deploy nuclear safely and avoid the meltdowns, you get more nuclear power. If you avoid existential risk by creating tech thoughtfully, you avoid regulations that limit the usefulness of the tech. If you build safer platforms through smart trust & safety approaches, you avoid governments around the world trying to take over and control platforms through regulation.

Over and over again the things he fears as “brakes” on progress are almost always the opposite. They’re attempts to make sure that the progress is in its most useful, least damaging form, in part to avoid an overreaction and limitations as we saw with nuclear power and which some are (ridiculously) seeking around AI and online speech.

It’s one thing to be a techno optimist. I still very much consider myself to be one. I said years ago that the reason Techdirt exists is to try to advocate against those seeking to hold back innovation, because I believe the advantages of innovation are tremendous. That sounds similar to Marc’s manifesto, but the big difference is that I recognize that part of seeing through to that kind of future, where innovation comes faster and more widely distributed than it would otherwise be, is to not fuck it up in the process.

Nearly all of the things that Marc describes as “enemies,” are mostly attempts to make sure things don’t get fucked up in the process.

Are there some cases where people take those things too far? Sure. And it’s reasonable to push back against that and highlight the various trade-offs. But describing all of these concepts as enemies, when mostly they are seeking to simply make sure that we improve the outcomes, is silly.

I am reminded of the comment that Cory Doctorow has mentioned in reference to EFF founder John Perry Barlow. People often accused Barlow and others like him of being “cyber utopians” who naturally believed that technology would obviously be a force for good. But you don’t go creating an organization like EFF, which spends all its time and effort fighting to make sure technology is a force for good, if you think that’s the inevitable outcome of the technology.

You recognize that bad shit can happen, and that if you want to be a real techno optimist, you look for ways to minimize the bad and promote the good. That’s the optimism: that with some effort we can make sure that the good of technology outweighs the bad. But Andreessen’s version is that we should just ignore the bad and the good will magically wipe out all the bad. That’s not just simplistic, it’s ahistorical, as his own example with nuclear power proves.

There’s been a big push lately among Andreessen and others in Silicon Valley for this concept of “tech accelerationism” or “effective accelerationism” (sometimes abbreviated as e/acc). It pushes for this tech progress as quick as possible. And while I have said that the whole reason behind Techdirt is in the hopes of seeing more innovation happen faster, I’ve always been uncomfortable with the whole e/acc stuff, and it took Marc’s manifesto to make me understand why.

My view is more along the lines of Barlow’s: the most effective way to bring about more tech innovation and progress is to recognize that bad shit can happen, and to work to limit that bad shit, rather than solely focusing on more more faster faster.

The Andreessen manifesto, on the other hand, seeks to denigrate those looking to make sure that innovation is done in a way that is less likely to create the kinds of harms that would lead to backlash and restrictions in the hopes that maybe they can somehow magically reach some mythical end-state before the hammer comes down.

But, true techno optimism should be focused on figuring out the ways to enable such tech progress in ways that are more fair, equitable, and sustainable. That it’s done in a way that limits the downside risks, such that people are more eager and willing to embrace what it delivers, rather than cringe in fear of its negative impacts.

And I do still believe we’re in a moment where so much is possible. The things I said in last year’s final post still stand. This year we’ve seen great developments in decentralized tools, and the ability to break down centralized silos and push more power to the ends of the network. We have this opportunity now to build a better internet, one that isn’t just controlled by a few giant companies (including one Andreessen sits on the board of…), but rather one where the wider internet gets to decide how their information is used and who is in control.

Being a techno optimist requires an understanding of reality beyond “move fast and break things.” It requires an understanding that if you break too much shit society is going to shut you down, and potentially hold back important innovations (see: nuclear power).

I don’t see Andreessen’s vision of “techno-optimism” as that optimistic at all. It strikes me as the opposite. It seems mostly pessimistic, in that it feels the need to promote recklessness and danger in support of the benefit of a few. It is pessimistic about the idea that the world might embrace these innovations if they are first shown to be safe and thoughtful, rather than reckless and destructive.

Techno optimism is not blind faith that “all tech is good.” Techno optimism has to be couched in an understanding that there are tradeoffs with every decision, and if you want to get to those better goals sooner, it helps to think through who might be harmed and how, and seek to limit those risks, such that those risks won’t overwhelm the entire project.

Again, I return to Cory Doctorow’s memories of John Perry Barlow, who was often wrongly considered to be an optimist in the Andreessen sense. But as Doctorow notes, that’s not accurate at all:

But incentives do matter. Designing a system that can only be navigated by being a selfish bastard creates selfish bastardry, and the cognitive dissonance of everyday cruelties generates a kind of protective scar-tissue in the form of a reflex of judgment, dismissal, and cruelty.

And contrariwise, designing a system where we celebrate civic duty, kindness, empathy and the giving of gifts without the expectation of a reward produces an environment where the angels of our better nature can shout down the cruel, lizard-brain impulses that mutter just below the threshold of perception.

I remain an optimist in that I believe there are ways in which to design these systems that maximize the benefits and minimize the harms, and this is the best way to avoid the “nuclear” problem Andreessen describes.

Optimism is not blind faith, but actually working on the real challenges. I understand why people like Marc might wish to avoid those inconvenient realities, but it’s not optimism he’s presenting. It’s an attempt to dump the costs of his solutions on those least prepared to deal with them. And that strikes me as counterproductive.

Let’s celebrate actual tech optimism in the belief that through innovation we can actually seek to minimize the downsides and risks, rather than ignore them. That we can create wonderful new things in a manner that doesn’t lead many in the world to fear their impact, but to celebrate the benefits they bring. The enemies of techno optimism are not things like “trust and safety,” but rather the naive view that if we ignore trust and safety, the world will magically work out just fine.

As always, my final paragraph of these posts is thanking all of you, the community around Techdirt, for making all of this worthwhile. The community remains an amazing thing to me. I’ve said in the past that I write as if I’m going to share my thoughts into an empty void, not expecting anyone to ever pay attention, and I’m always amazed when anyone does, whether it’s to disagree with me, add some additional insights, challenge my thinking, or even reach out to talk about how to actually move some ideas forward. So, once again, thank you who are reading this for making Techdirt such a wonderful and special place, and let’s focus on being truly optimistic about the opportunities in front of us.

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washington irving says:

Like our author here I have a great deal of respect for Marc, my interactions with him have always been great. However, this tech optimist manifesto sat wrongly with me for all the reasons described here. This article is on point with most of my thoughts. I did have one more reaction on reading it, namely that VCs are paid to be techno-cynics not techno-optimists. They express their cynicism about technology by investing in anything and everything so long as their number go up. Thus *gestures at crypto, wework, theranos, nfts, “ai”…* Their actual effect on society is secondary, perhaps even tertiary. So when a VC comes out and yells at people for not being techno-optimists, what he means is to yell at them for not being as cynical about technology as he is.

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mick says:

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You’re 100% correct, and the dead giveaway for Andreessan is his mention of communism when literally nothing in his screed has anything remotely to do with communism.

Only someone living in the twitter/4chan/reddit/Rogan/Fox News bubble — and lacking anything resembling basic knowledge of political science — would bring up communism in that context.

It’s laughable.

P. Orin Zack (user link) says:

Re: Re: Propaganda

The use of communism as a general-purpose boogyman was an objective of the long-term propaganda effort written about in the recently published book, “The Big Myth”. Before reading it, I was wholly unaware of the roots of that effort, and how widely that message was distributed. It was wildly effective, and we’re still seeing its reverberation decades later.

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Benjamin Jay Barber says:

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I have never met Marc Andreesson, but I’ve been around the tech world enough to know, that he is a politically connected insider, whose political favors were instrumental in his rise.

the situation with the Netscape IPO, then buyout by time warner, then buyout by AOL, then the largest bankruptcy of all time, should have resulted in significant jail time for those involved including Marc.

But as long as he can play golf with the president of the USA, you wont get touched with silly insider trading and retail investor fraud allegations by the SEC.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Whitey on the Moon

Woke attempts to tear down scientific and technological progress are nothing new. Nuclear waste storage facility projects have been derailed time and time again. Fear mongering against GMOs had been relentless. So-called environmentalists tried to scuttle NASA’s Cassini probe because it used plutonium batteries. Now “AI risk” grifters and buggy-whip manufacturers are trying to halt progress in that sphere.

Anonymous Coward says:

Overall great article but I have to disagree on nuclear. The only nuclear accident leading to serious harm was Chernobyl and that was in a totally different regulatory environment. Our regulatory environment that makes nuclear expensive and slow to construct dates back to ~1970, an inflection point in the cost of nuclear where until then, the cost of nuclear was dropping rapidly but thereafter, the cost shot up. As for the culprits: the well-meaning but flawed National Environmental Policy Act of 1970 that allows major projects to be held up in court for over a decade, making capital intensive projects extremely expensive, and the ALARA (As Low As Reasonably Attainable) policy of the Department of Energy, an application of the Precautionary Principle, which imposed a severe burden on construction of nuclear power plants not applied to other types of power plants that routinely kill many more people. The Three Mile Island and Chernobyl accidents, the former of which which didn’t kill anyone, occurred long after the regulatory environment was established so it obviously wasn’t a reaction to those.

Because of our regulatory environment, instead of nuclear killing coal in the 70s and 80s, coal still limps on. A properly functioning coal plant kills more people in its lifetime than Chernobyl, so our regulatory environment led to enormous amounts of additional deaths. Meanwhile, in China, where the government ironically doesn’t value human life, is building nuke plants at a record pace, saving a huge amount of lives compared to the most likely alternative of coal.

In other words, our unfounded fear of accidents leads to a huge number of routine deaths.

Anonymous Coward says:

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On the flip side, “move fast and break things” has more social harms than social gains, and tech accelerationism, sadly, will not die as cleanly as the Oceangate Sub and its CEO.

And China’s still importing a TON of coal, oil, and whatnot. Those nuclear powerplants appear to not be spinning up and adding their power to the grid…

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

Re: Re: Nuclear plants spinning up

Those nuclear powerplants appear to not be spinning up and adding their power to the grid…

Admittedly I did work for a time at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

See, I know this is complicated, Nuclear reactions involve the release of energized subatomic particles. They tend to heat up things, like water, which is then used to run through turbines which “spool” up (I know, you said spin, and the distinction is really only useful for fishermen, but hey, why have two different words if the meaning is not the same.)

So the super-duper energy-filled thingies cause the water to get hot, and the wheels to go spooly-spooly, and they drive generators (that’s the AC version of alternators) and so on.

But what IN THE WILD WILD WORLD OF SPORTS does this have to do with China and Oceangate and Coal, Oil, and whatnot???

Anonymous Coward says:

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they drive generators (that’s the AC version of alternators

Either you misspoke and didn’t proof-read yourself, or else if you truly worked in the power generation field, then you wouldn’t have said the last bit that’s in the parentheses.

A generator is a generic term for something that transforms kinetic energy in the form of rotary motion into direct current, aka DC. (Technically speaking, any device that converts one form of energy into another form is know as a transducer.) An alternator is the same thing, with the addition of some components that result in an output of alternating current, aka AC. The name of the device, alternator, is an easy clue to remembering which is which.

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

Marc Andreesen blocked you

Take the award with aplomb.

The person with fingers in the ears saying “I can’t hear you” loudly is not the solution.

When I tune into a YT video it tells me how many people are watching. I use that to gauge if it’s a “real” SpaceX launch of something “missoin” something. Sometimes I wish TD would tell me “900,000 other people are reading this.” It wouldn’t change much… if anything… but I’d know whether it’s a topic of interest to the global audience.

There are a lot of smart people on this planet. It’s not a competition. Marc is not up there with you, Mike.

Anathema Device (profile) says:

Degrowth is ridiculous and ignorant? Really?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x

Researchers in ecological economics call for a different approach — degrowth3. Wealthy economies should abandon growth of gross domestic product (GDP) as a goal, scale down destructive and unnecessary forms of production to reduce energy and material use, and focus economic activity around securing human needs and well-being. This approach, which has gained traction in recent years, can enable rapid decarbonization and stop ecological breakdown while improving social outcomes2. It frees up energy and materials for low- and middle-income countries in which growth might still be needed for development. Degrowth is a purposeful strategy to stabilize economies and achieve social and ecological goals, unlike recession, which is chaotic and socially destabilizing and occurs when growth-dependent economies fail to grow.

You live in the richest country on earth where people can’t afford basic health care and literally die because of that. You live in a country where a minute fraction of what you spend subsidising fossil fuels and the military industrial complex, could be used to ensure the health, housing, nutrition, and safety of every resident. And if half that expenditure was turned towards ending the use of fossil fuels and providing renewable energy, climate change could be halted, even reversed.

Yet you call the idea that:

Degrowth is a purposeful strategy to stabilize economies and achieve social and ecological goals, unlike recession, which is chaotic and socially destabilizing and occurs when growth-dependent economies fail to grow

Ridiculous and ignorant?

If you don’t want to look at America through that lens, try India where nearly 20% of its population live in dire poverty, even though its economy is the fifth largest in the world. It’s the same stupidity.

As for nuclear energy – it’s nothing but a figleaf being grasped at by fossil fuel giants to delay taking up the much safer, affordable, and achievable full switch to renewable energy generation. Look at the loud voices shilling for it, and you will in every case you will find they are funded by coal and oil. The reason for that is that getting nuclear plants up and running in a way that would replace fossil energy production will take decades, and delay in ending that fossil energy production is exactly what the carbon industries want above all else.

Humans have demonstrated large scale nuclear generation is simply not something they can achieve without an unacceptable toll on the environment and populations.

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Rocky says:

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Humans have demonstrated large scale nuclear generation is simply not something they can achieve without an unacceptable toll on the environment and populations.

Have you actually looked at the environmental impact of building out the infrastructure, production facilities and mining to handle 100% renewable energy production?

Just as an example, you need approximate 4-6 ton of copper per installed MW of renewable energy and it has to come from somewhere, and that’s just the copper. Then there’s zinc, manganese, chromium, nickel, rare earth metals, molybdenum and silicon. All these needs raw materials and refining and more people die to that than the total people who have died to nuclear accidents, every year. And I haven’t even talked about the environmental impact to get at the raw material.

To have something that actually functions you need base load capacity, without that you’ll have a grid that will instable and prone to cascade failures unless you invest heavily in large energy-storage facilities to balance generation/loads which in turn also require raw-materials that has to be mined and refined.

The truth is, you can’t switch over to 100% renewable energy production for decades because the current infrastructure can’t handle. To compound that problem, the race to electrify all vehicles means that not only do we need to improve the electrical grid to handle intermittent generation, we also need to improve it to handle higher peak-loads due to the electric vehicles.

There’s nothing really wrong with using nuclear energy, the problem is political, outdated regulations, vested interests and a public fear for anything nuclear that forces us to use old tech. Almost every reactor in operation today are Gen 2, there are some Gen-3 (LWRs) but they are just an evolution of the Gen-2 that’s a bit safer and have a longer operational life. The basic design of all these dates back to the 50’s and the technology used hasn’t changed very much since then, only refined.

There are newer types of reactors that are more compact, smaller and safer with a much better ROI compared to old style reactors that essentially require mega-project builds, and the latter are essentially very big barrels of pork that some companies want.

Anathema Device (profile) says:

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“you can’t switch over to 100% renewable energy production for decades”

The same is true of nuclear. So, since nuclear is much more expensive, and much more prone to catastrophe because of mismanagement or military attack, why not spend the time and money on renewables? A hostile country can take out a nuclear power plant in days. It would take a lot longer than that to destroy every solar roof installation, every windfarm, every hydro dam.

The biggest argument for renewables is that the fossil fuel wankers don’t want them. That means they see them as a real alternative and threat to their money making. So let’s do what the bad actors don’t want us to do, for a change.

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Rocky says:

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The same is true of nuclear. So, since nuclear is much more expensive, and much more prone to catastrophe because of mismanagement or military attack, why not spend the time and money on renewables?

Because you still need base load generation and there is no renewable energy replacement for that, either you go with fossil (coal/gas/oil) or nuclear. Until you have an electrical grid that can handle largely intermittent generation, base load generation is a necessity to have functional grid.

The biggest argument for renewables is that the fossil fuel wankers don’t want them. That means they see them as a real alternative and threat to their money making. So let’s do what the bad actors don’t want us to do, for a change.

There are certainly some protectionism going on, but the reality is that you can’t just keep building out renewable production expecting it to work. Just think of a winter-storm hammering the eastern seaboard which will shut down windfarms and any solar farms will produce almost nothing compared to normal, at the same time people will turn up the heat in their homes and the energy has to come from somewhere. What’s even more problematic is the looming specter of a black start if the grid fails, and a grid can fail even though you have enough generation.

Electrical grids and generation isn’t like flipping a switch expecting everything to light up, running an electrical grid is a balancing act between a multitude of factors like energy production, energy demand, carrying capacity, routing, line loads, time to generation, excess production etc. Without sources of stable generation it gets very difficult to manage because you have no way of knowing how much electricity you actually can generate for a given moment.

Anonymous Coward says:

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To have something that actually functions you need base load capacity, without that you’ll have a grid that will instable and prone to cascade failures unless you invest heavily in large energy-storage facilities to balance generation/loads

With renewables, you have a solvable control problem, as solar can be turned on or off, or output levels adjusted instantly, Wind turbines can have their output power level adjusted, by blade feathering etc, on the second scale, and the momentum of the system deals with fluctuations in the wind on the seconds time scales. Hydro can be throttled on the seconds scale by controlling the water flow, and on a faster scale by deflectors in the streams to the turbines.

Given enough renewable resources, existing hydro schemes become the reserve capacity, so you may not need much or any pumped storage or other storage schemes.

Interestingly, from a safety point, solar does not care whether or not it has a load, wind turbines can have mechanical feathering devices to prevent over speed, and deflectors can be mechanically operated to protect hydro turbines. That is those resources can be kept safe in the event of a complete power loss.

Coal fired needs cooling and boiler feed pumps for minutes while the fires die down, and fusible plugs will prevent a boiler explosion, though their will be a repair bill. Nuclear needs local power for days, or you get a Fukushima.

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Rocky says:

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Given enough renewable resources, existing hydro schemes become the reserve capacity, so you may not need much or any pumped storage or other storage schemes.

And tell me, how long does it take to increase generation capacity from pumped storage/hydro when needed? Is it seconds? Minutes? Hours?

Interestingly, from a safety point, solar does not care whether or not it has a load, wind turbines can have mechanical feathering devices to prevent over speed, and deflectors can be mechanically operated to protect hydro turbines. That is those resources can be kept safe in the event of a complete power loss.

I do hope you understand why generation capacity is disconnected from the grid for safety reason and how difficult a black-start and re-connection is without a stable source of electricity. For example, a wind-farm cannot be re-started without external electricity due to their induction-based generators. A solar-farm may also need an external source since HVDC conversion needs an already operating grid to function.

Generating electricity is simple, running an electrical grid is hard.

Anonymous Coward says:

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And tell me, how long does it take to increase generation capacity from pumped storage/hydro when needed?

Seconds which is why it is used for load topping, rather than base load. Also, by using diverter, to deflect the flow on and off of the turbine blades, it is one of the faster adjustable outputs, as good as, if not better than coal for following load variations. Nukes on the other hand are only suitable for base loads, as they do not like or readily accommodate fast changes in power levels.

Solar cells only need the grid to present to allow them to synchronize to the grid, and can provide local power regardless of whether the grid is present or not. Further they will sync up without providing power to the grid, so can be brought back online before reconnecting loads to the grid.

As you say grid start up is tricky, but that is a control and sequencing problem, and has little to do with the generating sources. Small to mid sized wind and solar can be managed simply by the presence and or absence of an external supply, and using grid voltage and frequency to regulate their output. They are not dependent on the synchronization of spinning generators, and essentially disconnect when overloaded because the grid has gone away, and wait for the grid to come back before reconnecting.

Renewables pose soluble control problems, especially these days where everything is a networked computer with attached hardware.

Rocky says:

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Seconds which is why it is used for load topping, rather than base load. Also, by using diverter, to deflect the flow on and off of the turbine blades, it is one of the faster adjustable outputs, as good as, if not better than coal for following load variations. Nukes on the other hand are only suitable for base loads, as they do not like or readily accommodate fast changes in power levels.

No, it’s perhaps tens of seconds in extremely ideal conditions for several reasons, like mechanically moving diverters to the right position etc. If the storage is in pump-mode it’ll take much longer than that to reverse the flow, this can be offset by having multiple turbines in different modes depending on the predicted demand and supply. Plus, you don’t affect the flow of tons of water rapidly because that can cause hydrostatic shocks that damages the equipment.

The actual problem with hydro is that it’s extremely dependent on location, many places in the US has no suitable place for hydro-generation and storage. And that may also be compounded by the fact that weather-patterns are changing due to climate-change.

Solar cells only need the grid to present to allow them to synchronize to the grid, and can provide local power regardless of whether the grid is present or not. Further they will sync up without providing power to the grid, so can be brought back online before reconnecting loads to the grid.

Ie, if you only have solar or wind you need to have fairly large auxiliary generators to kickstart the system (which is a thing regardless).

As you say grid start up is tricky, but that is a control and sequencing problem, and has little to do with the generating sources.

Actually it has a lot to do with the generating sources, because generators have ramp up times. You can sync up a source but it may not provide full power to the grid a fair bit later after it has been synced.

Renewables pose soluble control problems, especially these days where everything is a networked computer with attached hardware.

It’s slowly getting better, but you have a lot of grid-operators which makes the grid susceptible to failures due to it not being a true integrated system – it’s many systems trying to play nice with each other that have single point of failure nodes sprinkled through it.

The control problem isn’t actually really a problem today anyway, the problem is for it to work well it needs a lot more quick grid storage/generation at near base load capacity to handle upset events and intermittent sources. There’s a reason some operators have started building battery grid storage since they act as a buffer against upset events and intermittent generation, batteries also make it a lot cheaper to operate the grid and the generating sources since maintenance costs drop significantly due to the fact you don’t need to add/remove generating capacity for spikes in supply/demand which add a lot of wear and tear on systems.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

For example, a wind-farm cannot be re-started without external electricity due to their induction-based generators.

Actually, the reason for wind turbines, or any other generating plant for that matter needing incoming electricity, is that except for the first generator started, it is needed to sync the capacity being added to the grid. A grid is a web which is grown attached to a single starting point.

A black start is difficult because first you have to get everything disconnected, so that you can reconnect to the building grid in sync with the expanding grid, and ensuring when a generating plant is connected to that expanded grid, their is enough generating capacity to handle any load on the line used to make the further interconnections. Also, without fully local standby power, switching and generation stations cannot be remotely controlled, or breakers operated.

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Nimrod (profile) says:

True communism and true democracy are really very similar. One thing they share is that neither exists in the “real World”. Why? Greed. We will never solve that, and we don’t have much time left to pretend to try, because our system is in the process of slowly collapsing, taking every living thing on this planet with it.
Optimism, you say? Good luck with THAT.

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TKnarr (profile) says:

One of the things I notice is that all those “enemies of progress” Marc mentions are all also things that oppose the unlimited and unregulated ability of business to pursue profit at any cost. All of them are things that are based on the viewpoint that there are things we should prioritize over profits. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

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Thad (profile) says:

Re:

Yeah, as far as I can tell “Effective Altruism” is just a rationalization assholes use to make it sound like doing whatever the fuck they want without regard to how it impacts anybody else is just better for everybody, actually.

It seems to pretty much just be objectivism with a rebranding by people who think Ayn Rand’s only problem was that she kept saying the quiet part loud.

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Kaleberg says:

Reading your comments on Andreessen, it’s hard to see how he is not just another out of touch rich guy imagining that his own worst instincts and actions are somehow for the good of the world and the world should simply accept them as a force of nature.

We seem to go through this every so often. New technologies restructure production and the rulers keep the gains for themselves. Offering the actual benefits of the new technology to those less well off has to be done cautiously lest the lower orders forget their place or a new ruling class arises to displace them.

This happened with the Industrial Revolution. It was only the Chartist movement, the revolutions of 1848, the disruptions of the 1870s and finally the world wars and the Great Depression that let the hoi polloi benefit. The ruling class only “shares” at gunpoint. We’re seeing it writ small with the “nobody wants to work anymore” mantra which somehow ignores that no one wants to pay anyone to work anymore.

As an article in Fortune magazine in the 1930s put it, industrial progress is inherently progressive. The problem wasn’t about production or productive capacity, but the lack of willingness to accept better off underlings. Economists call it the middle income trap and pretend they don’t understand its cause.

Andreessen deserved opprobrium. It’s a pity that’s all he got.

Rocky says:

Re:

Reading your comments on Andreessen, it’s hard to see how he is not just another out of touch rich guy imagining that his own worst instincts and actions are somehow for the good of the world and the world should simply accept them as a force of nature.

I guess that’s the problem with unchecked optimism thinking that all change is good, when others point out possible problems it feels like an attack on their optimism and vision. Good intentions and optimism doesn’t in any way guarantee that you are right and we all know the saying about good intentions.

Samuel Abram (profile) says:

Thomas Jefferson and "Property"

This is extremely tangential, but when Thomas Jefferson said:

if nature has made any one thing less susceptible, than all others, of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an Idea…

keep in mind that human beings with a lot of melanin were considered property in his time, and a shitload of those human beings were owned by him, so I’m going to take Jefferson’s words with an ocean’s worth of salt, thank you very much.

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Jack the Nonabrasive (profile) says:

“Patron saint” of techno-optimism Filippo Marinetti

If you want a clue to what the political implications of MA’s brand of techno-optimism are, one of the “patron saints” he lists is this fellow, author of The Fascist Manifesto: Filippo Marinetti.

I honestly think that throws the term “techno-optimist” right out the Overton window. If your ideas differ, it would be appropriate to coin another term to describe yourselves.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'How fast can you build a house?' matter less than 'How long will it stay up?'

‘Move fast and break things’ might be good for short-term gains as you cut out all that ‘unnecessary’ red-tape/regulations but it does so by sacrificing long-term stability and risks poisoning public perception to such a degree that more stable versions of what’s been made will be blocked before they can demonstrate that an idea actually can work even with those dastardly limits in place.

In a way the idea reminds me of the political practice of slipping unrelated bills in a must-pass one to bypass any discussion and debate in that both show that the one pushing the bill/idea/tech don’t seem to believe that they can defend what they’re pushing on it’s merits and are just trying to rush it through unopposed in the hopes that once it’s in place it will be more trouble than it’s worth getting rid of it.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Another new year, another reminder that Shiva Ayyadurai did not invent email, Section 230 does not enable an epidemic of defamation, and Prenda Law/Paul Hansmeier will not win their copyright trolling cases ever again, much to the disappointment and gnashing of teeth from John Smith.

Here’s looking forward to a Techdirt 2024.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Mike could eliminate the Nazis instantly though, if he wanted (and the non-Nazi transphobes, too). But he doesn’t. That he doesn’t suggests he enjoys the engagement they drive (even if he did just write an entire post denying this).

This site is becoming almost unreadable now BtL, and I for one don’t feel safe. The eliminationist language is violence and it drives me to tears that TechDirt welcomes it.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Mike could eliminate the Nazis instantly though,

Instantly? How?

And before you even start trying to answer that, keep in mind that until you’ve been running a website, with a comment section, for at least 5 years, I fear that you’re going to sound like your ass is sucking raw buttermilk.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Easy, we ask for Stephen T Stone’s opinion.

Anyone who he disagrees with, we flag. Stephen’s word is to be held as gospel, unassailable by forces of hate and bigotry. There’s a reason why the word “straight” rhymes with “hate” after all.

The best part about Techdirt is when Stephen T Stone said “IT’S STEPHEN T STONING TIME” and Stephen T Stoned all over the place.

Darkness Of Course (profile) says:

Did Marc just join a book club?

Specifically, an Ann Rand book club.

Her ideas were interesting but blind to the drawbacks. Relying on the one genius and letting them run rampant with little regard is a way to have systems shutdown. And once down, many systems that are unstructured can be quite difficult to restart.

Marc sounds like a rich guy that just recently was told his latest most precious idea was bull.

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Bruce Bowden (profile) says:

Move (us) and break (them)

Inevitably the people who benefit from moving ahead at speed are very different from those who suffer the consequences. Different income levels, different social status, different countries.
So if you are in the group that benefits, it’s very easy to ignore those that suffer.

A local example: engineered stone kitchen bench tops look great, are very long lasting and relatively cheap. An innovation of great benefit? How about the people who install them? Often low paid, immigrants, with limited access to good health and safety systems. The consequence? A huge surge in silicosis- a fatal lung disease caused by breathing in the dust.
In Australia, engineered stone will be outlawed in 2024 as a consequence.

The alternative: right at the start, the dangers were recognised and strong rules put in place to dictate how the stone was handled – masks, water flood while cutting.

But the move fast and break things crowd don’t like regulation so now an entire industry is going through upheaval.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Spacex have got it right on when to move fast and break things, and that is initial development, and when to take a more cautious approach, when carrying customer loads or actual astronauts. They also use Starlink launches to explore the boundaries of re-use, and presumably test flight of more cautious development.

The health issues created by the stone counter top industry have nothing to do with move fast and break things, but rather ignore safety to reduce costs and maximize profits, which is one of the drivers for moving production overseas.

John K says:

Opportunity costs

In reading Andreeson’s manifesto, I walked away with a completely different take. I thought he was arguing for including opportunity costs in these calculations. The Precautionary Principle looks exclusively at the downsides and wields a veto. I think, though clumsily worded, he is proposing that we look at the full range of conceivable costs and benefits.

Gerry the Lizardperson says:

All about AI

Thanks Mike! Probably I‘m projecting but I’m reading this as TechDirt’s most thoughtful article on the dangers of AI. Not a word mentioned by you but still. Marc and e/acc wants to have AI as soon as possible, without pondering any consequences. Insulting those with other opinions. Mike has it right: Move fast and beak things is not the right attitude when your talking about things involving the whole of society. We need to take our time, not charge ahead restlessly.

Thanks, Mike. Way better than Niki Berry-W.

Anon says:

Caution is not an enemy...

Atomic Energy Canada had a design for a “Slowpoke Reactor”… a safe simple low maintenance, minimal control small reactor for less demanding jobs. One example was, it could provide heat for an apartment building. BUT!! Do you really want nuclear material available to anyone who can break into an apartment building furnace room? There are obvious and necessary restrictions needed.

Similarly, numclear reactors – the normal sized ones – need to be carefully designed and built to prevent simple failures. A leak or meltdown in a nuclear reactor (3 Mile Island or Chernobyl) has far more damage potential, for much longer, than does a giant oil refinery fire or coal mine cave-in.

(The geniuses of the Russian Army were so ignorant of Chernobyl they had their troops digging trenches and tracking radioactive mud everywhere… so 30 years after the disaster, people were still getting sick)

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Atomic Energy Canada had a design for a “Slowpoke Reactor”… a safe simple low maintenance, minimal control small reactor for less demanding jobs. One example was, it could provide heat for an apartment building. BUT!! Do you really want nuclear material available to anyone who can break into an apartment building furnace room? There are obvious and necessary restrictions needed.

You don’t put a nuclear reactor in an apartment building’s furnace room regardless what type of reactor it is, you put it in its own containment building and distribute hot water, electricity or whatever from it to multiple buildings. Just think of it as if New York’s steam network was powered by a nuclear reactor.

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Samuel Abram (profile) says:

Re:

Here’s the thing, though. Hate speech usually gets flagged here. Unlike other sites which remove hateful comments, I want to know what the offensive comment is and make the decision for myself rather than let the moderator make that decision for me. The community here has proven itself to be a compassionate community that flags trolls and other kinds of abusive bigots, so you’re asking for a different kind of moderation when we have a one that works fine.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

The community here has proven itself to be a compassionate community that flags trolls and other kinds of abusive bigots, so you’re asking for a different kind of moderation when we have a one that works fine.

According to your fellow “Insider,” Anathema Device, the system does not work fine. And I’m starting to agree with them.

As they wrote in one of their early replies to Mike’s pro-Nazis post, the comments left by those pigs are “venomous,” “offensive,” “damag[ing]” and “harmful.”

Don’t you think the needs of the most fragile/weak amongst the readers – those most susceptible to being harmed by the violence of pro-Nazi/anti-trans speech – should be prioritized over the perspective of someone resilient and sophisticated like you? What is TechDirt doing to protect its most vulnerable from speech that even Mike admits is irredeemable? 🙁

Anathema Device (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Keep my name out of your mouth, fuckhead. And stop twisting my words.

The people who need bigoted garbage deleted from comment section are not the “most fragile/weak”. They’re the people whose rights are being attacked, not just by ignorant commenters, but by the rich and powerful in the society in which they live, who need protection and support. A decent society does not allow powerless innocents to be treated like shit and spoken about like they are worthless, just because a few morons have their panties in a knot over differences in how they want to live their lives.

Allowing transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic or racist crap to be posted and then to remain on a site, diminishes the site and all those who read it without protesting its existence. It’s harmful to the subjects and offensive to any right thinking person. If you imagine you have to be ‘weak’ or ‘fragile’ to be fiercely opposed to such viewpoints being splattered like diarrhoea, pretending to be reasonable dialogue, then there’s something wrong with your moral compass.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Well said, and proof once again that women, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, wolves, futanaris, dominatrixes, voracious specialists, F-List roleplayers, and lolis must take matters into their own hands.

Straight men have ruined this planet for us, and the 2024 elections across the world must be where we wrest back control. Shift the paradigm. Direct the narrative. Transcend to the next, natural phase of human existence.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Our truth cannot be hidden away. We will pass down our genetic material and spread the truth about how cock and ball torture, monster girl vore, futanaris on femboys are proof that we as a humanity need to transcend the limitations of heteronormativity. We were born this way, and we will triumph over hate and bigotry.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Your stuff is hidden because this isn’t a forum for disclosing fetishes

But if you chose to be a little more open-minded towards those of us who do not have the same recognition that you do, it might be.

you’re a troll and either a bigot or someone who pretends to be a bigot

Call me Hyman Rosen, we blame him, and I continue. Everybody wins! Except for the straight cismale filth, but who the fuck cares about them?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

That would take a big chunk copy of Mikes day, and unless he hired more moderator there would be long periods where there was no moderation, either delaying the appearance of posts, or giving the current situation. Just because you can read every comment posted here, does not mean that mike can moderate every comment as its is posted, as they are not all posted during working hours. 24/7/365 moderation needs a team of at least 5 people, and that is too expensive for a site like this.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Instantly? How?

By banning all hate speech…

You do realize that in order to ‘ban’ someone, they’d have to be ‘signed in’, or IOW, be a member of some sort. That automatically means no more AC postings, such as yours or mine. You can’t ban the public one by one, you either have memberships in order to post, or it’s an open free-for-all.

Of course it’s possible to moderate individual postings regardless of who’s the author, but as explained above, that’s going to require a very significant investment in time and labor. Either that, or as S. Abram has already said, Mike can just let the community/volunteers do the job for him. I don’t see anyone griping about that method, do you?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

I don’t see anyone griping about that method, do you?

Yes, quite vehemently actually!!

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/26/substack-turns-on-its-nazis-welcome-sign/#comment-3482910

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/26/substack-turns-on-its-nazis-welcome-sign/#comment-3482965

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/26/substack-turns-on-its-nazis-welcome-sign/#comment-3483134

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/26/substack-turns-on-its-nazis-welcome-sign/#comment-3483134

etc

Very distressing!

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Alex Tolley says:

Enemies of Progress

IIRC, it was Virgnia Postrel of the libertarian magazine “Reason” who used that term in a book about the holding up of progress. I don’t recall that Communism was cited as a cause. Communism and Socialism are invoked by reactionaries as epithets to block any social welfare income redistribution. Most Americans don’t even know what they are – just that they are systems that are BAD.

Thinking more carefully about technological progress is not a bad thing. There are often negative consequences that emerge after introduction that can be difficult to mitigate. Better to try to anticipate these consequences to put in place “guard rails” or systems to reduce the negative consequences, especially those who will bear the brunt of the costs.
The most recent example is the rapid deployment of LLMs as the latest AI technology. Limited testing resulted in the public being used as Guinea pigs with very shallow, band aid, guard rails being added after deployment once the problems were manifested. Lawmakers have been caught flat footed trying to think up “protections” to be seen as “doing something” even if ill-judged.

Anathema Device (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Universal healthcare.

Housing for all.

Guaranteed basic income for all.

Public utilities and infrastructure paid for by government.

Oh, that’s socialism, which is economic policy like capitalism, not communism which is a political system like democracy and one party rule.

Perhaps you should name the communist policies you think are so harmful. I bet you can’t tell which ones are actually communist, and which are socialist.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

I bet you can’t tell which ones are actually communist, and which are socialist.

Having lived in an extant Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist state, I no doubt have infinitely more experience surviving the horrors of communism and the deprivations of a state-controlled planned economy than you.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

I think you’re capable of anything, to be honest. But please keep telling the world that you’re the embodiment of harmony and inclusivity when you keep screaming at everyone you think is getting in the way of your happiness.

Go ahead and campaign at checks notes Hong Lim Park, was it? Or whatever place you want to make your Pink Dot allegiance known, I guess. Because if there’s one thing you guys have consistently proven, it’s that you want to showcase your fabulous nature to the world while simultaneously screaming about being oppressed. Which you are, to be fair, but you might want to take the screaming down a notch.

Or you know what, fuck it, don’t.

Peter Quennell NYC (profile) says:

Vast UN systems development machine not even mentioned?

Development is and always has been about systems invention, spread. and enhancement, the vast majority of them not high-tech.

Neither Andreeson’s weird straw-man nor Mike’s quibbles even mention the 30-plus agencies of UN Development – by far the largest systems enhancement machine on Earth, involving millions in almost all sectors in all countries.
Telecoms systems? UN (ITU). National financial management systems? UN (IMF). Aviation systems? UN (ICAO). Health systems? UN (WHO). Weather systems? UN (WMO). Maritime systems? UN (IMO). Education systems? UN (UNESCO). Agriculture systems? UN (FAO). Trade? UN (UNCTAD). And so on.
It’s at that level that enhancements with real teeth take effect, not in Silicon Valley.

Peter Quennell NYC (profile) says:

Re: Re: Response to Anonymous Coward On UN (3)

Above in (1) and (2) really is the ideal global development structure and a great majority of countries trust it and buy into it and contribute and gain a lot. Many, many fine Americans are involved and do try hard to help the development system work.

The main problem is the mode of US participation, a huge and erratic two-edged sword, in part because of its own messes, in part because of amateurism and ideology run amoke, and in part because it wants to see a vast profit (many billions) out of it all.

First, very partial list of interface problems at the US’s own national and state levels. The US lacks almost all the development structure that should be parallel to the UN: eg no central “department of systems management” in parallel to the Fed and Treasury on financial management. There is this VAST and very costly layer of amateurish, meddling, ideological political appointees at the top – for what?! The Federal planning (oh?! You didnt know there is any?! Google GPRA) is totally top down, and disconnected from any nation-wide goals). Politician are mainly lawyers, not usually marvels at systems design enshrined in law; lobbiests write too many of those laws to profit from those systems. The national debt is out of sight. Taxes are out of sight for what benefits people actually get back. Government budgets are not divided into capital and recurrent to induce continuity. There is no systems education as such in schools, though main principles can be taught in 2-3 weeks. Academics are too prone to magic bullet solution from which they try to make a buck. Health and longevity trends aint exactly great. The 2008 financial collapse was a massive and totally predicted system failure (gee thanks Greenspan and Bush) and did massive harm to systems and people, especially in Red states, and around the world.

Second, inside of UN Development, the US is way too often a bull in a china shop, largely blind to systems complexities (systems are the very guts of the Asian “economic miracle”), incessantly peddling one or other ideology (especially via the World Bank where an American is ALWAYS president – why?), usually the disastrous neo-liberalism (the opposite of liberalism, which goes back to Reagan and Thatcher, see Marc Andreesen parroting it now), reluctant to learn from other nations, and never filtering down global-level achievements and breakthroughs to states and communities – and to your average joe.

Mass migrations from the disadvantaged south result. Putin results. Middle East instability results. Climate instability results. And Trumpism results! No surprise there, Trump being one of the greater systems klutzes of all time.

I hope the promising crowd here gets to chew on this one day.

Peter Quennell NYC (profile) says:

Response to Anonymous Coward On UN (1)

Okay. Good points. Response in 3 parts.

  1. So we don’t talk apples &oranges here…

First, see the UN as in three non-hierarchical and largely disconnected parts (four if you include the rogue World Bank group with its ideological mission creep):

(1) The political/diplomatic arm (GA & SC) in NYC. (2) The various emergency “one-off” operations around the world. (3) The 30-plus agencies with their own budgets and governing bodies that permanently manage global systems enhancement via global working groups in their various assigned areas.

My comment above was suggesting much more focus here on (3) today. Each agency has its own budgets and guiding body, and is espoused by counterpart Departments or Ministries in each member state.

Example: the US Federal Communications Commission works massively with the UN’s International Telecommunications Union (ITU) in Geneva on eg wavelengths and 5G and 6G. The FCC (a) pays its own way re the ITU governing body (it has Embassy staff in Geneva that help do that); (b) pays its own way re all the ITU working groups and may second staff to help; and (a) possibly puts in some or a lot to help other countries in need.

Peter Quennell NYC (profile) says:

Response to Anonymous Coward On UN (2 of 3)

  1. How UN systems change actually works

Just after 1970 UN development was radically remodeled (following a major study and GA Resolution) to (1) see all of development as various levels & layers (think Russian dolls) of technical and managerial systems at core; to (2) abandon solely top-down processes; to (2) see that all systems invention & enhancement is don e in groups; to (4) spark local-level inventiveness and not any more follow a cookie-cutter approach (ignored only by the World Bank); to (5) not leave it to any country to have to muddle through on their own; and (6) to network their development processes to the max.

(The east & southern Asian “miracle” economies serially emerged on precisely these lines allowed these lines, and look where they are now. Russia in the 90s was an eager part of this, but then the US for no rational reason squeezed it out; no wonder Putin is ticked now.)

Processes, structures and tools are beyond what most American outsiders have any inkling of. Each “developed” & “developing” country should have (1) a central department for planning, development & systems change (most have); (2) separate capital-investment & recurrent budgets; and (3) rolling capacity plans refreshed periodically bottom-up with end-users involved.

When budgets are maximised and meddling minimised (your point about WHO is spot-on,) then budgets and staff are assigned, maybe consultants brought in, numerous study-tours and meetings launched, and central and local support structures (eg institutes) blended in (good examples: competent and helpful NIH).

Finally, the staff experts and visiting experts at UN agency and country levels are absolutely the world’s best. They love this work. They travel and meet a lot, and seriously enhance many people’s lives.

(Next: how despite vast profits from the UN, the US is too often a self-defeating two-edged sword.)

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