The Moral Panic Is Spreading: Think Tank Proposes Banning Teens From Social Media; Texas Rep Promises To Intro Bill

from the yeah,-like-that-will-work dept

It truly is incredible just how much of a moral panic the media and politicians have created around social media. Once again, the actual research is basically inconclusive that social media is bad. If it were truly awful, it should be showing up in the data, but for the most part it’s not. At all. As we’ve noted, so much of the blame targeting social media are people completely overreacting to social media shining a light on activity that has basically always been happening, and now rather than dealing with the underlying causes, people want to attack the messenger for revealing the behavior.

We’ve also noted that it appears that some people have issues with social media, but for many, many others it’s quite helpful. But little research has been done to figure out why a small percentage of people have trouble with it. Instead, the media often just hypes up the bad stuff. We’ve pointed it out a few times already, but last year, when the WSJ reported on internal research leaked by Frances Haugen, they focused on the report noting that Instagram made teens feel bad about themselves… but left out that the research actually showed it made many more feel better about themselves.

It would be good to investigate why some percentage felt worse about themselves, of course, and to see if there were ways to minimize that impact. But the rush to blame all social media as bad for all teenagers is just without a basis.

And yet… policy folks are taking this moral panic to new, and even more ridiculous heights. The Texas Public Policy Foundation’s “tech policy fellow,” Zach Whiting, has suggested that Texas should ban all social media for teenagers. This makes me wonder if Whiting has, you know, ever actually met a teenager.

Enacting a minor social media ban in Texas is not a novel concept. Two prominent commentators recently wrote articles on a social media age limit and a ban on minors. It is clear our consumer protection laws need to be enhanced to better protect minors online, hold accountable the companies that fail to do so, and punish those who harm or attempt to harm minors online.

A state-driven social media ban on minors is the most effective way to protect kids from the harms of social media. Anything short accepts the premise that social media is not that bad. It is that bad.

I’ll note that Whiting brags about how he got rid of all his social media accounts, and like the temperance prudes of a century ago, he seems so insecure with himself that he can’t just accept that he doesn’t want social media himself — he needs to take it away from all teens as well.

Of course, there are many problems with the unfathomably stupid idea.

First, as noted above, for the vast majority of teenagers, the evidence seems to suggest that social media is neutral or actually beneficial. Banning it for all kids actually does more harm to many teens.

Second, anyone who has any experience with teenagers at all knows this kind of thing won’t work. Already, under federal law (COPPA), most social media websites ban children under the age of 13. And yet, even for kids that young, many websites are useful. So the end result is that parents help their kids lie to get around the blocks, teaching children that lying is okay and not to respect silly, poorly reasoned laws.

Third, the kids themselves will find ways around this. Teens communicate. It’s what they do. When I was a kid, it was via notes and telephones, and we even cooked up elaborate codes and tricks to be able to communicate by phone even when our parents didn’t want us to. Teenagers want to communicate, and they’ll find lots of other ways around these bans. A few years ago, there was an article about how kids who had social media banned in school had basically fashioned a shadow social media system… using the chat feature in Google docs.

The point is that kids (teens especially) will find a way to do this. Ban Instagram for them, and you just know that within days someone will have hacked together a way to replicate Instagram without it being “Instagram.”

This is nonsense prohibition to do what…? To stop kids from talking to each other.

It’s a silly moral panic, based on nothing by apparently adults own insecurities about teenagers actually being able to communicate.

And… of course, Texas politicians were apparently quick to embrace this fundamentally ridiculous idea. State Rep. Jared Patterson is already promising to introduce just such a law, meaning that in Texas, as a teenager you may be forced to give birth to a child… but forbidden from posting about it on social media. Land of freedom?

https://twitter.com/JaredLPatterson/status/1544423328831643649

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Elie Mystal put it best:

“The idea here, from Texas Republicans, is that young girls can be raped and forced to give birth against their will, but aren’t ‘mature’ enough to talk about it on Instagram.” (Source)

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jojo_36 (profile) says:

Texas proposes another Social Media Law:

Techdirt: “Ah shit, here we go again.”

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Pixelation says:

It’s a good start. Then, let’s ban all politicians from social media, as well.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Sounds good… since most politicians behave like children, they should be treated like children.

When they grow up and prove they can behave like an adult they can have their social media accounts back.

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Anonymous Coward says:

The thing is, social media can be VERY bad. This isn’t a feature of social media however – it is a symptom of severe societal problems in the broader world. That people are racist, or prone to abuse others, or any number of other things, is a mirror held up to the face of our society.

And DAMN, do we look ugly!

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Valis (profile) says:

Re: it is a symptom of severe societal problems in the broader world

Just to clarify; “the broader world”, is only applicable to white Westerners. We people here in Africa are NOT racist or abusive to others. We have ubuntu, something white people sadly lack. Ubuntu means humanness, showing tolerance and respect for other human beings. We’re not self-centred, selfish, egocentric, hate-filled, bigoted, racist, homophobic, transphobic, greedy capitalists like the USA and the UK. All those traits are specific to the West.

Samuel Abram (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Unfortunately, I encrypted the hard drive to a Laptop with Mint on it I owned, and I foolishly forgot its password, so I screwed up and that’s why I don’t use it anymore.

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Raziel says:

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We’re not self-centred, selfish, egocentric, hate-filled, bigoted, racist, homophobic, transphobic, greedy capitalists like the USA and the UK. All those traits are specific to the West.

Said all these African dictators to no one ever, racist turd.

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Naughty Autie says:

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Don’t forget Zimbabwe. It wasn’t just the white population harmed by Robert Mugabe’s policies; I’ve been in conversation with a couple of black Zimbabweans who came here as children when their families fled the poverty and famine caused by Mugabe’s purges.

Samuel Abram (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I apologize, I didn’t mean my comment to be an exhaustive list.

(I also apologize in advance for the passive-aggressive tone of the comment I am currently writing)

Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:3

It’s cool. I think maybe I should have realised it wasn’t exhaustive, but the lack of the ‘etc.’ I generally expect in a list threw me. As for your comment being passive-aggressive, I honestly didn’t read it that way.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Elie Mystal put it best:

“The idea here, from Texas Republicans, is that young girls can be raped and forced to give birth against their will, but aren’t ‘mature’ enough to talk about it on Instagram.” (Source)

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

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But the gov said there were no more rapists in Texas so it wouldn’t matter!!

Girls just need to make sure they are dressed modestly, expose no skin, & do not make eye contact with men who can’t be held accountable if their base instincts take over & they give those harlots what they really want.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

The difference is that Christians, not Muslims, are the ones trying to install a theocracy in the United States. Muslims shouldn’t be scapegoated⁠—even by proxy⁠—for the acts of our homegrown Christian extremists.

Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:3

I wasn’t seeking to scapegoat Muslims, believe me. I was only using humour to point out that the whole ‘completely covered up’ thing is from that religion, not Christianity.

Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Forgot to add: And the vast majprity of Republicans and Conservatives in the US consider themselves to be Christian rather than Muslim.

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Actually that’s not correct. While it was glossed over in Luke, both Peter and Clement spoke of dressing conservatively. ‘Though they were talking of not showing off, not wearing jewels or adornments. Rather than coverage.
This however was used in later centuries by puritanical popes, given the debauchery of popes in the latter half of the 1st mel.

Islam used the idea of full coverage as a counter to the wild and often semi-nude prancing of the papacy relations at the time.

A large collection of annotated work regarding the church fathers and popes has rarely disagreed with the premise.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Actually that’s not correct. While it was glossed over in Luke, both Peter and Clement spoke of dressing conservatively.

Because “dressing conservatively” always involves covering up fully. Apples and oranges, dude. Apples and oranges.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Details in beliefs, but they agree that God has commanded them to convert the non-believer, by force of necessary.

Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:3

I’ve never read that in my copy of the Bible, and it includes the Gnostic Gospels, so it’s pretty complete.

crinisen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

I’ve never read that in my copy of the Bible, and it includes the Gnostic Gospels, so it’s pretty complete.

After extensively thinking about pretending to be a theologian, I have found that it is written in a secret message right between “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned” and “Therefore, all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the Law and the Prophets”. I mean it cannot be more obvious that you can only read these an the rest of the Bible as that “Thou shall be a dick to those who are obviously not you”.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

I don’t think anyone’s denying that. Autie’s only pointing out that it’s not in the Bible. (No word on the Koran. I wonder how well he knows it?)

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Don’t be a fool.
There’s a difference between recognising what others have done historically and reaching the same conclusion they did.

The writings from the church over the years quite clearly reference those passages in various proclamations and epistles.

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Luke 14:22–23 Suggests that forcing suffering is charitable.
Colossians 3:5 If taken literally demands anything not following god be put to death.
James 1:21 Again suggests that you must rid the earth of “moral filth”
Luke 19:27 Let’s go back to Luke again. Here is the demand to bring forth non-believers to Jesus to be killed infront of him.

Let’s not forget just how often god of the jews killed non-believers, or demanded killing non-believers. From genesis to the end: god supported the death of non-believers.
Dt 7 and 20 both cover the why. God was fearful the Israelites would be tempted and corrupted. The actuality of it laid out in psalm 106.
Judges and Joshua both cover the righteous deaths of non-believers quite joyfully!

And don’t forget god once killed everyone except a single family.

Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Except that nothing you say is true except for the last sentence. None of those New Testament verses feature Jesus advocating for anyone being killed. That “demand to bring forth non-believers to Jesus to be killed in front of him”? You cherry-picked that from the Parable of the Ten Minas, in which a king Jesus was talking about was the one wanting people killed, not Jesus himself. As for God killing Job’s family, that happened in the Old Testament, which is not as important to true Christians as the New. You know, you don’t exactly help dispel impressions of you as a troll when you’re so disingenuous.

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

I never said I agreed with the Christian leaders.
You said you haven’t seen such passages in the bible. (Note you said bible, not New Testament). (Note you didn’t specify any particular bible either).

Those passages and many more were quoted by bishops and popes throughout the years.
https://sacred-texts.com has quite a few various late epistles.
And you can find the Church Fathers Collection 3 at the internet archive. Post Church Fathers.
Along with collections 1 and 2; the the ante-nicene fathers and the nicene fathers.
The Vatican library website also links or hosts various papal decrees. Which you can find at vaticanlibrary dot va.

Pointing out what was actually used as justification is not the same as agreeing with.

As a bit of side information: those you don’t feel are “true Christian’s” often would say the same about those who call themselves such.

There are many, many books and studies covering the crusades and other christian and muslim conquests. Many discuss the actual reasons supplied at the time. Investigation into how and way is quite extensive. From inside these religions and outside.

Given this started with

Christian and Muslim history support that both groups think violent conversion if fine

Yes, historically accurate.
Branches still exist today. Wahhabism, the brotherhood of christ.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Which copy of the Bible doesn’t include the New Testament, lying troll? I’m with Autie: you clearly cherry picked verses from the New Testament and deliberately misrepresented them, putting the truth of the rest of your comments in serious doubt, to say the least.

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

I didn’t cherry pick them. Prior generations of church leaders did.
I thought I was clear, these are not my thoughts, but prior church leaders. Selections used to justify warfare. Conversion by the sword.
By popes, cardinals, bishops etc.

These same verses and more are used today to justify persecution by the radical right.

————————
As for “Which copy of the Bible doesn’t include the New Testament”?
Personally I think none are complete. That is my opinion. Many gospels are missing, such as Judas and Paul. Of Jesus, Mary, of the infancy. Of James, and of James the Just.
Contrary epistles have been left out.
Most of the community documents have been stripped. The relevant parts added to other writings. For example the Rules document has been filtered through the Clement additions. As well as the Pauline writings.

I will say don’t lecture me on what is and is not canonical. I don’t care to debate why writings were included or excluded. Not with those within the three religions anyway.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

It doesn’t matter who cherry picked those verses, you’re still the one that misrepresented what they say here, lying troll.

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jojo_36 (profile) says:

But in all seriousness, it is astounding that Texas somehow makes an even more nonsensical and impossibly enforceable bill than the last. Putting aside how deeply unconstitutional and pathos-driven this idea is, how the fuck are you going to ban teenagers? Banning teens immediately falls apart just by the fact that a majority of internet users are anonymous and the fact that teens can lie! Plus, what exactly is the punishment here, are they going to put teenagers in prison for using the internet?

Everything’s bigger in Texas, including the deficit of IQ points.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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how the fuck are you going to ban teenagers?

Corollary: How would such a ban work without gathering the kind of data that would anger privacy advocates angry and leave security experts on edge about a potential breach?

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That One Guy (profile) says:

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Texas Politicians: It’s easy if they would just nerd harder!

Naughty Autie says:

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But in all seriousness, it is astounding that Texas somehow makes an even more nonsensical and impossibly enforceable bill than the last.

Have you seen any of SCOTUS’ decisions recently? Especially the latest.

jojo_36 (profile) says:

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Yeah, but I don’t think that is comparable. The judicial overreach is more of a whole level of malevolence than it is one of insanity, meanwhile banning teens from the internet (and actually follow through on it) is just batshit insanity.

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Ninja says:

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how the fuck are you going to ban teenagers?

Teenagers: hold my beer. (yes, that beer they are supposedly barred from buying by law)

Anonymous Coward says:

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Plus, what exactly is the punishment here, are they going to put teenagers in prison for using the internet?

If I were a parent in Texas (which thank dog I am not), I would be considering the liability this presents to me. Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying Texas wouldn’t consider putting teenagers in prison – I sincerely believe they are that fucking stupid.

But the real money lies with charging the parents.

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glenn says:

The people who have a problem with social media are the kind of people who have always had a problem with other people expressing views that they don’t approve of. Freedom of speech is not something they can tolerate in this country.

Naughty Autie says:

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No, no, no. Those people actually don’t have any problem with freedom of speech just as long as they’re the only ones with that right.

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Ninja says:

Texas.

Whenever you see Texas and legislation in the same phrase it’s yet another awful legal take from the state. The question is not if it is bad but rather how bad it is.

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kvh (profile) says:

I assume when Texans here one of their politicians planning on banning minors from social media they think he’s planning on banning minorities from social media.

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RyunosukeKusanagi (profile) says:

Not to mention this will probably be a 1st amendment issue.

Let me explain, Social media companies banning people under 13 is part of thier ToS, and not a 1st amendment issue.

Making a law prohibiting anyone under the age of 18 from having a platform to communicate, assemble and socialize is probably a big no-no.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

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“Making a law prohibiting anyone under the age of 18 from having a platform to communicate, assemble and socialize is probably a big no-no.”

It would be. But consider that this is an even more corrupted SCOTUS than the one which shafted the 4th amendment without lube over “Civil Forfeiture”.

There are other examples but suffice to say I consider it a miracle that with all the amendments already abolished in practice by a hardline conservative SCOTUS, the 1st amendment still exists in vivo.

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Anonymous Coward says:

You’re overthinking it.

Every generation has its moral panic, its mysterious “other” that is the convenient blame target for ‘kids these days.’ Billiards, comic books, rock & roll, television, even Teletubbies have all had their turn at this.

It always boils down to the same thing: adult anxiety about ‘the children’ provides a cheap and reliable hook for grifters, con men, politicians, and preachers to gain money, votes, and influence.

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Keroberos (profile) says:

“This just in. Researchers have just published a study showing that physical social interactions have a negative impact on the mental well being of minors. Several legislators have released statements announcing their plans to introduce bills banning all physical interactions between persons under the age of 18 (including family members). One has been quoted as saying, ‘I always knew that this was harmful to children, but now that we have proof, we can take steps to insure our children are safely locked up in their rooms until they turn 18’. Stay tuned for more on this breaking story.

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Keroberos (profile) says:

That chart is meaningless. Instagram makes some teens feel worse about themselves. Compared to what? I’d be willing to bet that if you asked that same question of teens (or anyone, for that matter), but changed the word “Instagram” with any other place where they might interact with others (school, home, work, the mall, a party, just about anywhere), you’d get almost identical numbers. About half would say it had no effect, about a quarter would say it had a positive effect, and about a quarter would say it was negative. That chart has some variation, but for the most part looks like an almost normal distribution and actually skewed towards the positive instead of the negative.

Flakbait (profile) says:

Comebacks

Well, great. Get the kids off social media and they’re just going to turn to old standbys like Dungeons and Dragons and violent video games to get their daily dose of evil.

Conservative Republican says:

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No, no. This is for the kids, remember? We shouldn’t let them have access to any game more violent than Moshi Monsters: Moshling Zoo until they’re eighteen. Even the cartoon violence in games like Sonic the Hedgehog and Super Mario Bros. may prove too much for their young minds. As for a thirteen-year-old child dying from an untreated ectopic pregnancy because we believe in birth no matter what the cost, that’s not violence. Please don’t compare apples to oranges.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Even the cartoon violence in games like Sonic the Hedgehog and Super Mario Bros. may prove too much for their young minds.

The Mario franchise also teaches kids to eat mushrooms for power. Drugs and violence⁠—how dare Nintendo corrupt our precious youth~!

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Texas politicians: Teenagers are mature enough to have a kid whether they want it or not, but social media? Perish the thought, they’re far too immature to deal with something that complex.

Why I’m starting to think that politicians might not be concerned with the kids at all when they start going on about how they need to Do Something in order to ‘protect’ them…

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NaBUru38 (profile) says:

Of course social media should be considered harmful. Kids would find politicians saying stupid things, and may want to imitate them.

Conservative Republican says:

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Well, of course. How do you think we got our current crop? As for teens not accessing social media, that’s not really our intention. We just want to drive it underground so future Republicans are open to other criminal activity. 🙂

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Jay Kusnetz (profile) says:

Probably not a moral panic

Banning minors from social media is probably to prevent them from easily organizing. It’s political suppression.
A technical block is not needed, the law just has to make the parent responsible and subject to penalty.
Not having technical blocks would make it easier to find the people they want to suppress. Minor’s social media could be used as a weapon against activist parents.

Radioactive Vampire says:

Yo, Jared, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick? You're bitchin' about social media—that's censorship, dumb bitch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want, Jared—your argument is weak

These moral guardians are more desperate than I thought, if they think with their authoritarian methods that they will prevent anyone from participating in social media and that they will do someone a favor, then they are even more uneducated than I thought. It seems that they haven’t learned anything from the past and that prohibition doesn’t really work for them

Silver Fang (profile) says:

There are no underage users online

Why would they need to ban teens from using social media? There are no underage users on sites. Everyone is the age they’re supposed to be; you can see it in their profiles. 🙂

Naughty Autie says:

Re:

Here’s the thing: if you ban someone from social media until they’re eighteen, they won’t be accessing it until they’re fifteen. 😉

nerdrage (profile) says:

this could work out for the best...

If Texas wants to teach Texas kids to ignore stupid rules made by their idiot politicians, good. They’ll have to learn it sooner or later anyway.

mechtheist (profile) says:

"unfathomably stupid'

[sigh] I think “unfathomablystupid” will be my new and favorite neologism, clearly related to another favorite of mine “breathtakinginanity” [That one is from the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case where the school tried to claim their Intelligent Design curriculum wasn’t creationist BS, which also gave us the embarrassing “Cdesign Proponentsists”].

What percentage of stories here stem from unfathomably stupid actions by folks in some form of authority or even random idiots? I bet it’s a least a third. These fact-free times could be called unfathomably stupid times, which has the priority? Do you believe the breathtakinglyinane which makes you stupid or do you become unfathomablystupid leading to believing the breathtakinglyinane? Or is it synergistic turtles all the way down?

glenn says:

In the lottery to find who makes kids feel the worst, parents will always come out first. But not far behind will be other kids.

I propose banning think tanks. Thinking too much is the real problem.

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