Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt

from the first-responders dept

This week, both our winners on the insightful side are anonymous responses to commenters trotting out the same old, boring, easily dismissed arguments about content moderation on our post about how very little content moderation has anything to do with politics. In first place, it’s a response to someone basically just saying “nuh-uh, of course it does”:

Ummm… This entire article points out how social media has zero fucks to give about your political affiliation, they just don’t want fucking assholes on their service.

That you consider the people getting banned from social media for being fucking assholes, ie racists, homophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic, bigoted assholes, is being biased towards conservatives, maybe you should take a long hard look at the company you want to keep and why you call yourself a conservative.

In second place, it’s a response to someone insisting that Techdirt’s own comment flagging system is abused for political reasons:

You are a fucking abusive troll.

It’s not that we don’t like your politics, its that we don’t like fucking assholes like you.

Hell, for all you know, we could be aligned politically, it’s just that I don’t act like a fucking asshole.

Why don’t you people ever learn, it’s not your politics we don’t like, its you, the fucking asshole.

For editor’s choice on the insightful side, we’ve got a pair of comments from Stephen T. Stone. First, a comment about why platforms don’t make their moderation rules more clear and explicit:

But that allows “I’m not touching you”–type rules-lawyering assholes to look for loopholes in the system and exploit them. That creates an infinite feedback loop where the mods try to fix the loopholes, only to open more loopholes, which the assholes will exploit, and repeat until the rules are so microdetailed that people can barely post anything without breaking the rules.

The whole point of having some vagueness behind moderation decisions is to allow for on-the-fly adaptation to situations admins didn’t expect when they wrote the rules. Take away that vagueness and you get the feedback loop of “rules lawyering ➡️ fix the rules ➡️ exploit the rules ➡️ rules lawyering…”, which does nobody any good.

Next, a comment about the lawsuit against Barnes & Noble in Virginia:

Republicans went from “don’t read that book in class” to “yank it from the library” to “fuck you, nobody should be able to buy this” in the span of a year. Welcome to the “openly fascist with no apologies” stage of American conservatism.

Over on the funny side, our first place winner is an anonymous response to the assertion that Twitter blocking stories about Hunter Biden’s laptop swung the election:

That’s it I’m not gonna vote for hunter now!

In second place, it’s Flakbait with a comment about Hertz refusing to drop prosecutions despite being sued for bogus theft reports:

Outdoing Avis

For many years, starting in the early 60s, Avis – smaller than Hertz – played on their #2 rental car company status with the slogan, “We Try Harder.” It seems that Hertz’s play on that catch phrase is, “We’ll Trial You Harder.”

For editor’s choice on the funny side, we’ve got a pair of comments about California’s blatantly unconstitutional bill allowing parents to sue websites because their kids are depressed. First, it’s That One Guy with an idea about turning the tables:

Easy way to turn this around if they had the guts

California: If social media does anything that might make kids worse off and/or they happen to serve as a great scapegoat for that they’ll be sued.

Social media: Okay, well we’ll be challenging this blatant unconstitutional Look At Us Doing Something/Think of The Children bill but until then we’ll be prohibiting any person under 18 and who lives in california from using our platforms, and you’d better believe we’re going to be telling them exactly who to blame for that.

California: But… that’s us, you can’t blame us when we’re trying to blame everything on you! Our kids are going to scream our ears off!

Last but not least, it’s Blake Stacey with another way of looking at it:

Now, now, let’s not be hasty. This whole “suing because the children are depressed” idea might have potential. For example, how about we sue politicians because the children are depressed over their planet being fucked.

That’s all for this week, folks!


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discussitlive (profile) says:

I don’t think Conservatives were ever socialists.

As so how I fix things, I used to tell folks, but my boss said telling the CEO to “Stop being f-ing stupid!” was a career inhibiting advice, and perhaps a more socialized approach would be conducive to continued employment. I said “F that s–t.”

I’ve since learned that discretion is indeed the better part of valor and to control, if not my temper, at least the expression of it.

Mostly.

James Burkhardt (profile) says:

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If we assume the commenter you appear to respond to (ECA) doesn’t fully understand the distinction between Socialism and social welfare, the comment makes more sense.

Prior to the near absolute fusion of the “right” (social conservatism) with fiscal conservatism, and the the left (social progressivism) with fiscal progressivism in the US, religious groups often supported strong social welfare policies. Partly this was because lots of social welfare money went through religious groups prior to the New Deal. But it went through religious groups because social welfare was a core religious value of Christianity, whose sects were solidly in dominance of American religious thought.

By somewhat related timing, the losses conservatives took in the civil rights movement resulted in a language of moral rights (state rights, ‘the taxpayer’ as a political group to appeal to) to deflect from criticism of their support for racist policy. Many anti-welfare talking points are disguised racism, so well hidden I believe it when people say they don’t see the racism. That was explicitly the point.

That is when fiscal conservatism indelibly linked itself with social conservatism. And the Christian right accepted this, to maintain a hold on power with their socially conservative followers. the Christian right which had always embraced fear as a tool to force their followers into line, told its followers to fear fiscal progressivism.

Were conservatives socialist? No. By definition. As the terms are defined currently, Socialism is a leftist sphere of thought (this is why the MSM is not left, as they are capitalists), and antithetical to conservatism which is on the right.

That said, the Christian right used to favor social welfare as part of a core philosophy of helping your fellow human, loving thy neighbor, even if the Christian right didn’t define neighbor as broadly as Christ did.

ECA (profile) says:

Re: Thats what gets me, confused.

Conservative and Bible thumping.
But they Love Guns? Except for other persons.

The new testament is part of the foundation of Socialism, and the idea of Sharing and giving and all the Nice things you should do for each other, in the bible. DONT Judge others and so forth.

Then If we get rid of the Bible Thumping, What does the Conservative mean? I Have Read what they want to do, reverse everything back to the 1930’s, Before the war and the changes Made after.
But that is totally agains the ideals of most other beliefs, in sharing, and even this nations founding. And I know that the repubs were REALLY pissed off with democrats for Making Jobs, Backing Unions, Creating Forestry, and the freeways in this nation.

Some idiots want to turn every road into a toll road. Some would rid the nation of the parks, as then they could use them for Minerals, Coal, and oil.(we dont need anymore oil, we have enough) Almost every bit of money the Gov. placed into the economy went to the Corps and republicans, but very little ever got to the public.

Would really love to see whats int he water they drink, as I think we could use it medically.
Wee cant seem to get those that Love the republicans to see more then, Whats been told to them, Already.
Which really dont make them conservative in the Bible friendly way at all.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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Seriously, what is less insightful than “we didn’t censor people because we disagreed with their opinions, only because they’re bad people”, when you determined that they’re bad because they disagreed with your opinions?

Probably claiming that someone decided to mark someone as “bad” because they disagree on something, rather than the more likely reason: that someone is bad because they’re being obnoxious assholes.

Anonymous Coward says:

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…as long as woke ideologues get to decide who is bad.

Why don’t you go to Gab, or Parler, or Truth as I hear they remove all “woke ideologues” so you don’t have to see their posts.

Wouldn’t that solve all or your whining and bitching?

“we didn’t censor people because we disagreed with their opinions, only because they’re bad people”

You act like a fucking asshole here in the comments, that is why your posts are hidden. Nothing more, nothing less.

That you can’t see that is a YOU PROBLEM!!!

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

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Why would I want to go anywhere where posts are censored? It doesn’t matter if they censor left or censor right. Silencing anyone’s opinion is bad.

The problem with flagging here isn’t that I’m being flagged. It’s that the flagging is being used for viewpoint-based censorship to the extent the site allows. I stay here because, sadly, this is one of the few places where all opinions can still be stated. For that, I can tolerate being flagged.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Censoring books is OK, naturally...

…as long as woke ideologues get to decide what to censor.

The American Booksellers Association offering abject apologies for including Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters in a set of books they sent out.
https://www.themarysue.com/aba-apologizes-anti-trans-book-but-is-damage-irreversible/

Amazon refusing to sell When Harry Became Sally: Responding to the Transgender Moment.
https://ncac.org/news/amazon-book-removal

Bookstores refusing to sell Harry Potter books.
https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/bookselling/article/83771-mission-driven-indies-drop-j-k-rowling-s-books.html

The Harry Potter case is especially funny because conservative ideologues used to try to cancel Harry Potter because they thought the subject matter was demonic. Now that woke gender ideologies think that the author is demonic, they’re on board too.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Too many links?

I’ve had two comments disappeared from here. I had multiple links in them (because people here love to sealion “citation needed”). Is that a thing here?

I was pointing out that woke ideologues like book censorship just fine when they’re the ones doing it, and I had links to the ABA shuttle apologizing for sending out Abigail Shruer’s book, Amazing refusing to sell Ryan Anderson’s book, and some independent bookstores stopping the same of Harry Potter books.

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Mike Masnick (profile) says:

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You didn’t have comments “disappear.” You had comments caught in the spam filter.

Also, learn the difference between private companies choosing not to do business with asshole bigots and governments banning books. Those are different things.

Just like it’s different for a private company to say “we don’t want to associate with you, you asshole” and governments saying “you must take down this content.”

Why does it not surprise me that you can’t understand the difference?

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Once again, you fail to distinguish between rights and actions of different parties. Regardless of how and why a book is removed from publishing or sale, the potential reader is being deprived of the opportunity to discover, buy or borrow, and read the book. Whether the government is trying to unconstitutionally press the seller or publisher, or they have succumbed to pressure from outside parties or even from their own employees, the ultimate result is that the book has been censored.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:

Regardless of how and why a book is removed from publishing or sale, the potential reader is being deprived of the opportunity to discover, buy or borrow, and read the book.

And that argument can also be applied to every manuscript refused by a publisher, because the potential reader is being deprived of the opportunity to discover, buy or borrow, and read the book. Is then the result that the author have been censored?

The same argument can be applied to almost anything when it concerns someone’s speech that no one wants to be associated with.

You are as always demanding that some peoples rights are less worth than others while calling it “censorship”.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

There is a difference between editorial judgement, subject matter limitation, and viewpoint-based discrimination.

As ever, censorship remains censorship even when alternative avenues exist. (And of course, the primary way to self-publish these days is on Amazon, so if Amazon is censoring based on viewpoint…)

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

I know that’s a cliche, but I doubt that its true for me. I’m an AMC A*List member, so I see lots of movies. In particular, I recently saw the gay Russian soldier movie Firebird and the French pro-abortion movie Happening. The former has a good amount of kissing and making out between the soldiers, and the latter has nudity including a shower scene with multiple women. The former’s scene left me cold. I don’t see why anyone, men or women, are interested in men. They seem yucky. On the other hand, even though I think the latter’s scene wasn’t meant to be prurient, I enjoyed it.

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Mike Masnick (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Once again, you fail to distinguish between rights and actions of different parties

I do no such thing. Only in your vividly confused imagination, dude.

Regardless of how and why a book is removed from publishing or sale, the potential reader is being deprived of the opportunity to discover, buy or borrow, and read the book.

This happens EVERY SINGLE DAY. Tons of authors are unable to get publishers to publish their nonsense books. That’s called the free market.

Private companies are allowed to determine who they associate with, and who they think is a complete nutjob.

Your argument seems to be that no one should ever exercise any editorial discretion ever, which is so idiotic that I wonder how you function in daily society.

Whether the government is trying to unconstitutionally press the seller or publisher, or they have succumbed to pressure from outside parties or even from their own employees, the ultimate result is that the book has been censored.

Under your definition of censorship, EVERY decision is censorship. Hyman, I demand the right to stand in your bedroom while you try to sleep at night and scream at you about how you are a very dumb bigot.

If you don’t let me, it’s censorship.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

No. Editorials discretion is fine. Not stocking titles that sell poorly is fine. If Revolution Books in NYC doesn’t want to sell The Wealth of Nations or Atlas Shrugged, that’s fine. That store has an editorial point of view, and its patrons know what to expect from it.

Patrons of Amazon and Barnes & Noble have different expectations – that they’re generic bookstores that can be expected to stock books based on popularity and sales (or in Amazon’s case, expected to have every book ever), but not to exclude books based on their viewpoints.

Every time you say that someone is “allowed” to do something, you are completely missing the point. No one (or at least me) is suggesting that anyone be compelled to publish or sell anything. What I am saying is that a company that purports to be a general-purpose publisher or bookseller should not be engaging in viewpoint-based censorship, because that is unfair to their patrons who are expecting no such thing. Should, not must. They *can* do whatever they want, but they *should* not.

And you know that when the shoe is on the other foot, you bitterly hate it. Florida is allowed to set its public-school curriculum to exclude education about gay and trans people even though it’s viewpoint-based censorship. Government is constitutionally permitted to speak for itself in any way it wishes, and to order its employees to reflect the agenda of the government when speaking for it as part of their jobs. Do you shrug that off as well, just because they’re allowed to do it?

Mike Masnick (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Patrons of Amazon and Barnes & Noble have different expectations – that they’re generic bookstores that can be expected to stock books based on popularity and sales (or in Amazon’s case, expected to have every book ever), but not to exclude books based on their viewpoints.

Just because you think that does not make it so.

What I am saying is that a company that purports to be a general-purpose publisher or bookseller should not be engaging in viewpoint-based censorship

You are making up artificial distinctions to support your ignorant, bigoted argument. Because you can’t actually defend it.

And you know that when the shoe is on the other foot, you bitterly hate it. Florida is allowed to set its public-school curriculum to exclude education about gay and trans people even though it’s viewpoint-based censorship.

No, it’s not when it’s the shoe on the other foot. It’s when THE GOVERNMENT tells anyone that they are not allowed to speak, because that’s universal. I don’t give a shit if Amazon won’t carry your favorite neo-Nazi books, because you can find somewhere else to get it. When the government bans it, it’s banned entirely.

And so I fight against ALL government speech mandates, even if I support the underlying concept. That’s why I regularly call out both blue and red states for their speech laws.

But it’s also why I defend private companies making their own decisions, even if I think they’re simply catering to ignorant, gullible bigots like you.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I was pointing out that woke ideologues like book censorship just fine when they’re the ones doing it

This is not limited to groups you don’t like.

“‘GROUP NAME HERE’ will complain about being censored, but is totally fine with censoring others” covers a great many groups. Humans, especially powerful ones, tend to be very hypocritical.

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