Elon Musk Throws A Shit Fit And Fires Engineer Because Not Enough People Are Viewing His Personal Tweets
from the little-sensitive-elon dept
There’s a school of thought among some who believe that the sole reason why Elon Musk bought Twitter was because of a gaping void in his soul and a deep-seeded need to be loved and adored by everyone, with the belief that he could do that better if he ran Twitter, and without the fear of having any of his tweets — or my goodness — his entire account suspended. A friend of mine has sometimes referred to this phenomenon as “cancelled man syndrome,” which is a condition in which extremely powerful people are so afraid that they might, at some point, face some consequences for their actions, that they build this entire fantasy world around “cancel culture” and “woke ideologues” coming to get them.
Under this theory, a big part of the reason why Musk bought Twitter was (1) to protect his account from any sort of reprisal and (2) to continue to fill that void, by showing up as the grand liberator, to be loved and adored.
I’m still not convinced I believe this theory. But, as more and more news comes out, it at least adds some additional evidence in support of it. The latest is from the always excellent Platformer News, where Zoe Schiffer and Casey Newton have quite a scoop concerning Musk throwing an absolute shit fit because his tweets are getting less engagement than in the past, and even firing one of the only two remaining principal engineers at the company, after they suggested maybe people were just kinda tired of all the Elon stuff:
On Tuesday, Musk gathered a group of engineers and advisors into a room at Twitter’s headquarters looking for answers. Why are his engagement numbers tanking?
“This is ridiculous,” he said, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the meeting. “I have more than 100 million followers, and I’m only getting tens of thousands of impressions.”
One of the company’s two remaining principal engineers offered a possible explanation for Musk’s declining reach: just under a year after the Tesla CEO made his surprise offer to buy Twitter for $44 billion, public interest in his antics is waning.
Employees showed Musk internal data regarding engagement with his account, along with a Google Trends chart. Last April, they told him, Musk was at “peak” popularity in search rankings, indicated by a score of “100.” Today, he’s at a score of nine. Engineers had previously investigated whether Musk’s reach had somehow been artificially restricted, but found no evidence that the algorithm was biased against him.
Musk did not take the news well.
“You’re fired, you’re fired,” Musk told the engineer.
I mean, Musk has a well known reputation of “rage firing” people for telling him stuff he doesn’t want to hear. A few years back there was a story of him randomly rage firing an engineer at Tesla’s Gigafactory after Musk saw something that didn’t work right. And even though the engineer had nothing to do with the broken system, he was the nearest person to Musk, and he asked Musk to clarify what he was angry about, so he got fired. The story in that article sounds quite similar to the one in the Platformer piece. Musk hears something he doesn’t like, and fires someone on the spot.
But the piece doesn’t end there. It talks about the morale (uh, low) at Twitter:
“We haven’t seen much in the way of longer term, cogent strategy,” one employee said. “Most of our time is dedicated to three main areas: putting out fires (mostly caused by firing the wrong people and trying to recover from that), performing impossible tasks, and ‘improving efficiency’ without clear guidelines of what the expected end results are. We mostly move from dumpster fire to dumpster fire, from my perspective.”
Musk’s product feedback, which comes largely from replies to his tweets, often baffles his workers.
“There’s times he’s just awake late at night and says all sorts of things that don’t make sense,” one employee said. “And then he’ll come to us and be like, ‘this one person says they can’t do this one thing on the platform,’ and then we have to run around chasing some outlier use case for one person. It doesn’t make any sense.”
The San Francisco headquarters, whose landlord has sued Twitter for nonpayment of rent, has a melancholy air. When people pass each other in the halls, we’re told that the standard greeting is “where are you interviewing?” and “where do you have offers?”
And, for people who are relying on a Twitter job for important reasons, it puts them in a quandry:
“When you’re asked a question, you run it through your head and say ‘what is the least fireable response I can have to this right now?’” one employee explained.
Also, Musk’s obsession with his own stats is just all kinds of pathetic.
Dissatisfied with engineers’ work so far, Musk has instructed employees to track how many times each of his tweets are recommended, according to one current worker.
Then there’s this, which maybe explains the extended tech outages and problems we’ve seen on Twitter this week:
“As the adage goes, ‘you ship your org chart,’” said one current employee. “It’s chaos here right now, so we’re shipping chaos.”
There are so, so, so many other stories in this article, you should go read the whole thing. However, I will leave you with one more. We were among the first to point out that the FTC’s consent decrees with Twitter are kinda important, and it seems like Musk was (1) unaware of them, and (2) didn’t care once he found out. As the article notes… the time may be running out on that attitude:
Since Musk took over, those steps have become an afterthought, employees said. “His stance is basically ‘fuck you regulators,’” we’re told.
The FTC plans to audit the company this quarter, we’re told, and employees have doubts that Twitter has the necessary documentation in place to pass inspection. “FTC compliance is concerning,” one says.
That’ll be fun.
Anyway, go read the whole thing, as it’s a stunning piece of reporting on what Twitter is like these days.
Filed Under: elon musk, engagement, firing, views
Companies: twitter


Comments on “Elon Musk Throws A Shit Fit And Fires Engineer Because Not Enough People Are Viewing His Personal Tweets”
Hmmm… that phrase yelled in anger… “You’re Fired!!”…
I’ve heard that before, but just can’t quite put my finger on where it was that I heard it.
Wonder where it came from…
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No one actually says that. Even with Trump it was on a reality TV show.
The short answer is this story is imaginary.
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I would ask you to provide actual evidence that the story is imaginary, but you are an unserious commenter who doesn’t do that because people prove you wrong when you do.
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This site, like many others, has a crackwhore infestation and opinions are not even discussed.
I have laughed at many illiterates raised on shit and pissed trying to communicate.
The emotional outbursts are hilarious and an indication of mental illness.
3rd world gonna 3rd world.
Re: Re: Re:2
If you’re going to call people illiterate, you should at least proofread your insult so that you don’t make a mistake in the same sentence.
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You just asked for negative evidence, you actual stupid fuck.
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Any claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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Re: Re: Re:3
Do you….do you even understand what “negative evidence” is? No? How about why asking for it is a sign of poor critical thinking skills? No, of course you don’t. You just repeat a trite phrase that you think sounds smart without realizing why it’s irrelevant.
Re: Re: Re:4
Don’t get pissy at me—you’re the one who claimed the story is fake without any evidence.
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Re: Re: Re:5
I provided lots of reasons why it’s likely fake or at least highly distorted.
I will counter, in particular, that there’s absolutely no evidence it is real. It’s uncredited hearsay.
Re: Re: Re:6
And they’re all shit. Evidence or shut the fuck up, please.
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Re: Re: Re:7
OK, since you’re too dumb to even google it, Positive evidence of a negative result is actually technically impossible. But seriously…no one says this.
How about we start with evidence the story is true? Cuz oh, look, there isn’t any.
Re: Re: Re:8
Then how was it confirmed that Rahul Ligma and Daniel Johnson didn’t exist?
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Re: Re: Re:9
Because the one datapoint showing that they DID exist turned out to be fraudulent. (i.e. the pranksters admitted the joke)
See, this, this is why I think you’re dumb.
Re: Re: Re:10
There’s no timeline of events that states they admitted the hoax before it was confirmed that they didn’t exist, so I’m gonna call bullshit on that.
It was confirmed that they didn’t exist by checking LinkedIn and Twitter’s internal Slack and email systems. In other words, they found “positive evidence for a negative result”. Not so impossible after all, apparently.
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Re: Re: Re:11
Yeah, so that’s not how any of that works, actually, but I’m honestly not that interested in explaining it to you.
The short story is that positive information of a positive fact that is contradictory is not the same as positive information on a negative fact.
Like, we haven’t actually proved that “Rahul Ligma and Daniel Johnson” don’t exist, we only proved that those two guys were not named that.
Fuck damn you’re a waste of breath.
Re: Re: Re:12
“Fuck damn you’re a waste of breath.”
And yet here you are. losing an argument to them.
Re: Re: Re:4
If journalist could find evidence that Rahul Ligma and Daniel Johnson were made up, why wouldn’t there be evidence that this story is made up?
I’ll give you a hint: it’s because you’re spewing personal opinion as fact with nothing to back it up.
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Re: Re: Re:5
Cuz it’s new? Cuz there’s little no information to possibly confirm or deny?
Seriously, have you ever taken an IQ test, what did you score, and if not, why not, pretty sure you could be collecting monthly checks off my tax dollars.
Re: Re: Re:6
If your loss would somehow be my gain, I would be all for it, but I’m not American.
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Re: Re: Re:7
ah, you idiocy makes a bit more sense, in context then. Not a lot, mind you.
Re: Re: Re:8
you idiot
me smart
Re: Re: Re:8
And yet you’re still dumber than me. Must really suck.
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Re: Re: Re:9
Literally impossible
Re: Re: Re:10
Literally very possible. Every time you come in here to post, you prove how much of a fucking idiot you actually are.
Re: Re: Re:2
But you’re a font of negativity, now is your time to shine on darkness.
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Whatever the wording, there were few jobs more short-lived than being part of Trump’s cabinet. According to which side of his mouth you are listening to, it’s because he’s the greatest genius in hiring people or because he only hired anyone because they were begging him on their knees.
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No, Mike linked to it twice in the article. The story definitely exists.
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No….the article exists. Story seems likely made up, i.e. imaginary. RU DUM?
Re: Re: Re:2
Based on what evidence?
It’s hilarious to me how bent out of shape you get over a joke.
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Re: Re: Re:3
I honestly have no idea how you expect me to distinguish the dumbshit you say with all seriousness from when you’re supposedly joking. As a person, you strike me as a satire account in general yet you seem to really believe most of the deranged shit you say.
Re: Re: Re:4
Holy moly, that’s the biggest projection you’ve ever projected! And that’s saying something!
You didn’t answer my question, by the way.
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Re: Re: Re:5
this is why I think you’re a parody.
Because no one actually says “You’re fired” in real life, dumbass.
Re: Re: Re:6
[citation needed]
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Re: Re: Re:7
You are you a dumbfuck for asking for that as I explained above.
Re: Re: Re:6
I’m sorry, I should’ve phrased the question better:
Based on what actual evidence are you concluding that the story must be fictitious?
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Re: Re: Re:7
If you’re going to get technical evidence is the duty of someone making an assertion and the authors of this article have provided 0% evidence it’s actually true.
Re: Re: Re:8
And yet, we can infer that the contents of the article in re: Musk’s actions and the morale at Twitter are at least plausibly true. We have plenty of other evidence of Musk’s actions as head of Twitter from which to make that inference. That evidence doesn’t favor your claims, my dude.
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Re: Re: Re:9
Incorrect.
Re: Re: Re:10
Prove your claim, liar.
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Re: Re: Re:11
….I did.
Re: Re: Re:12
Your illiteracy and hallucinations are not condidered proof by any rational person. We require facts. Try again.
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Re: Re: Re:13
those sure are words
Re: Re: Re:8
The report comes from an experienced tech journalist, the comments about the workforce and the working conditions are in line with what’s previously been reported, and the comments on Musk’s behaviour are in line with reports from his other companies. Not to mention that the very public deployments of features(and their bugs) on Twitter are indicative of the “whimsical” nature of Mr Musk mentioned in the report.
Now, you’ve made the assertion that the story isn’t true. Fulfil your duty and provide some evidence.
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Re: Re: Re:9
It’s an “experienced” reporter with obvious bias, writing an article based upon pure hearsay with no evidence. Most of the rest of what you said is noise.
Provide evidence it is true, first. That really IS how this works.
Re: Re: Re:10
Proof matthew’s opinions on credibility are a 100% reversal of objective reality.
Re: Re: Re:10
His criticizing your supreme leader doesn’t make him biased.
Hearsay means reciting something that someone else told you. The comments in the report are first-hand witness accounts. Boy, facts sure are hard, huh?
I guess you’d be the expert on that.
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You can’t separate bias from journalism. Someone must decide what to distill out of the mass of available data, what facts to check, how much context to include (and explain), and how much needs to be left out for time and space. If you want to read a few paragraphs that sum up a 65-page legal ruling, someone must choose what to include and what to leave out.
Bad journalism pretends both sides are equally valid. Good journalism reports the facts, even if those facts say one side is irredeemably awful or full of shit. False neutrality is propaganda.
If multiple reporters from multiple outlets across a broad span of both time and sociopolitical ideology say “our sources, as well as other external evidence and data, say Elon Musk is a jackass”, maybe take that as a sign that the man you’ve been defending from the slings and arrows of online criticism isn’t exactly the golden god you imagine him to be in your wet dreams.
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I mean, yeah you can, at least to an extent. Specifically doing that is a lot of what they used to teach in Journalism schools. This guy doesn’t have a great history on that. (Of course not, he comes from the Verge)
It’s effectively an unsourced story. Could be true, no particular reason to think it is. Hell even if we had the guy’s name it would just be an allegation, and we don’t even have that, either, also no other witnesses on the record.
Story is objectively shitte.
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That’s my point: Humans are hardwired to have biases about everything from the taste of food to “is this person dangerous”; we can’t ever be fully “objective” about anything. We can curb our biases as best we can when doing so becomes necessary, but that’s about all we can do.
Other than a history of reporting from multiple sources in re: Musk’s behavior both prior to and after his purchase of Twitter (not to mention public antics like the “pedo guy” debacle), sure, no reason whatsoever to think the story is at least plausible~.
You sure do seem eager to get that guy’s name. Curious. 🤔
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You don’t have a point. That there will always be some bias does not refute that this person is particularly biased nor that it discredits him that he is so biased.
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And I’m not trying to refute that. Because I don’t know if they are biased that way. If you want to claim they’re biased against Musk, you’ll have to prove that bias—and whether said bias is overwhelming enough that they’d willingly lie about the story they reported.
I have a bias against Musk. But if he does something at least nominally good (that isn’t him doing an about-face on one of his own fuck-ups), I’m willing to give him credit for it. For what reason can’t you curb your obvious pro-Musk bias to meaningfully and unconditionally criticize him for literally anything?
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Dude, the whole story is based on the account of ONE anonymous witness who has every reason to lie. (and not a terribly good reason to be anonymous) It’s a junk story. Like really bad.
I completely do not believe you.
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Except that he would be getting fired for the quotes, which were all a lie, since, according to you, Musk would definitely know who said it.
Make up your mind. He can’t both have every reason to lie, and a pretty good reason for not lying.
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How the FUCK are you this dumb? The guy obviously got fired, he’s just lying about why and how.
If you fucked up in some colossal way, or just didn’t follow orders, would you say that or just lie and pretend Musk was being a temperamental bitch?
Which is why you shouldn’t write a story based on such a witness.
Your inability to think through a scenario is not my wanting to have it “both ways”. Jesus wept.
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You remain unable to read. From the article: “according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the meeting.”
The fired engineer is not the only source.
Re: Re: Re:19
Matty the Musk-fanatic regularly fail at reading, it’s just easier for him to make up a story from the complicated headlines.
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You’re the one misreading, the “multiple” is in reference to a different, much more believable part of meeting. Why the engineer was fired only has one source.
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Dude. It all happened in the same meeting. You think the other attendees who spoke about it all left the meeting just before Musk fired the engineer?
Like that’s credible?
Re: Re: Re:18
[Biasedly hallucinates facts not in evidence]
Re: Re: Re:16
That’s because you refuse to acknowledge that Musk fires people that dare to even hint at that he perhaps may be wrong. People have been fired by him for even daring to talk about who got fired and when the media got wind of it Musk tweeted this:
I would like to apologize for firing these geniuses. Their immense talent will no doubt be of great use elsewhere.
Not believing something that is just the culmination of a pattern that has been going on for months, if not years, is denying reality. It’s the hallmark of a fanatic.
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Musk’s past shitty behavior is reason enough to remain anonymous. The asshole has fucked with Tesla owners systems just because they had the temerity to not be Musk stans.
Musk’s rabid fans are more than enough reason to want to be anonymous. They don’t want to be SWATTED to death by some jag who thinks the possibility of somebody dying is the height of humor.
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Mercurial seems more apropos than whimsical.
Re: Re: Re:8 0% Evidence?
So loony Benny measures evidence in percentages?
I guess that’s 1000% evidence that he’s a moran. Or something…
(yes, “moran”)
Re: Re: Re:6
What is this, a screenwriting dialogue class? Is there not enough subtext for you in the way Elon Musk is portraying himself here? This is a real news story, not a screenplay.
By the way, even if most bosses don’t simply say “You’re fired,” when firing someone, it doesn’t mean that none do. I’d believe that Elon actually did say those exact words in this instance before I’d believe any of the nonsense you seem to be spouting!
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Go ahead. Find a real recording or reliable transcript of someone telling some “you’re fired” in real life.
There’s no evidence that he did, tho.
Re: Re: Re:8 Got Chrome?
Here’s one!
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Re: Re: Re:9
…that’s not in real life. HOW are you people so dumb?!?
Re: Re: Re:10
Why is a real life job interview and try out not real life?
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Re: Re: Re:11
Holy fuck…you know reality television isn’t “real”, don’t you? Please tell me you know that.
Re: Re: Re:12
That it’s scripted or done for entertainment value doesn’t make it fake. It’d only be fake if they weren’t actually fired IRL.
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You are asking for something that no sane boss would ever record. Considering your reasoning here you won’t accept someone telling you that their boss told them “You’re fired” because it doesn’t fit the answer you are actually looking for. The nature of things is that it’s much more likely that someone was told “You’re fired” to their face than not, denying that is denying that there exist horrible bosses.
Musk’s way running Twitter can only be described as dysfunctional so him firing someone on the spot is entirely believable. If you don’t think so, then you have conveniently forgotten his email to the employees that said “work extremely hardcore or be gone” (paraphrased), which was followed up with creating dorm-rooms at the HQ.
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I’m asking you for something that effectively does not exist and doesn’t happen. Grow the fuck up. If you find it “believable” just because you hate Musk that just means you’re an idiot, not that it is at all likely to have happened.
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I find it believable because I myself know a person who was told “You’re fired”. You have given no reason why that would be unbelievable other than your personal experience and a lack of recordings that would not be expected to exist either way. That is simply not convincing.
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For the record, I don’t actually believe you, or possibly your friend. (like, was it a pizzeria, or something? I’d find that slightly more believable than the corporate world, with HR Depts)
If true, it would be the only instance I know of, even third hand. (but it probably isn’t true)
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lol, so now not only does the exact quote have to be used, but it has to be one of a range of specific industries you’re looking for in order for the anecdote to count.
Keep carrying that truckload of water for a rich white dude you supposedly don’t care about, Matt. I’m sure one day he’ll recognize the blip that is your existence.
Re: Re: Re:12
I’m sure you researched the subject thoroughly debunking the reality that there exists horrible bosses.
Re: Re: Re:12
My mother was a teacher, actually. She was actually going to retire at the end of the year, but the principal had an irrational hatred for her and wasn’t well liked, and she fired her and ordered her to leave in the middle of the school day just before the standardized testing period purely out of spite.
Regardless, your incredulity is not an argument. You have given zero reasons as to why my story is unbelievable to the point where you’d disbelieve it out of hand like that. That it’s unusual doesn’t mean it’s nonexistent.
Also, the industry is entirely irrelevant. You made the assertion that nobody ever says it IRL. Any counterexample would disprove it.
I acknowledge that it’s uncommon. I only dispute your assertion that it never happens at all.
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Re: Re: Re:8
I have a recording and transcript of your mother saying “I wish I’d flushed Matthew down the toilet and shit a baby out my asshole instead.”
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Re: Re: Re:9
What is wrong with you?
Re: Re: Re:10
For once, I actually agree with you.
Re: Re: Re:11
Well, we don’t like Matthew Bennett and would like him to leave.
Some of us, myself included, have had enough of him polluting the place to the point where we’re actually willing to take the L and get flagged to express how much we hate him.
Whlie I do understand why Mike does it, it’s definitely not enough if the jerk in question doesn’t want to leave.
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I had a boss in the late 80’s fire me with “You’re fired,” because he was being a coward and refusing to tell me directly I was fired and was hoping I would come to that conclusion and fire myself for him. I finally told him I wasn’t psychic and wasn’t going to predict what he might say. After a few iterations of that he lost his cool and shouted it. I wish I had replied with, “You’re welcome coward,” but I didn’t think of that until a few minutes after I left his office.
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This is the weirdest thing for you to get so bent out of shape about. There is no possible way for you to prove your claim, and it seems extremely unlikely that nobody ever says that. It may not be common, but your claim is just preposterous.
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I’m not getting out of shape about it, it’s just a sign (among several) the story is bogus. I don’t feel the need to “prove” anything to you yahoos, and in fact you would find the statement “no one says that” entirely uncontroversial were it not that it casts doubt on a story you want to be true.
Basically I think you all know what I’m saying is true, you just refuse to admit it cuz it instantly became one more partisan bone to pick.
I’m partisan af but that’s still super dumb.
Re: Re: Re:8
And yet, here you are, getting out of shape about yet another story concerning Elon Musk’s behavior as the CEO of Twitter. If you’re going to lie, Mutt, at least tell one that isn’t disproven by your comment history.
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Oh, no, I totally get out of shape about Masnick’s bullshit. I find it enraging, all the more because I was once a fan. Different issue entirely tho.
I don’t think you thought about that one very hard.
Re: Re: Re:10
I learned a long time ago, if I find something enraging, I try to actively avoid it.
How did you never learn that?
… or is that the only way you can get a stiffy, being enraged?
Re: Re: Re:11
That requires maturity and self reflection…
Re: Re: Re:10
I have seen zero evidence that you have ever been a fan. Also, Mike isn’t the one who made the claim first. He’s just repeating what other reports have found.
Re: Re: Re:10
Maybe you should stop reading this site if it makes you so emotionally compromised that you spend hours commenting about how much you hate this site and the guy who runs it. Hate is a terrible waste of time, y’know.
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Re: Re: Re:11
nah
Re: Re: Re:12
No one ever accused bratty matty of being a quitter. A piece of shit? Yeah every day. Making terroristic threats? Only on Tuesdays. Someone some dumb that they literally eat soap because they misspelled soup on their shopping list. Happens all the time. But a quitter?
Never
Re: Re: Re:11
If it wasn’t for the human interaction he gets here Bennett would have no human contact whatsoever other than cashiers, waiters and other employees that want to spend as little time with him as possible.
Re: Re: Re:4
Well, this is ironic
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You’re actually right about Trump – he only said that on a reality show. In real life, he just fired people (MANY of the best people, based on his unprecedented Cabinet turnover) via twitter.
So congrats on being right exactly once, Matt!
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This is probably the worst blunder of Matt’s career.
For someone so specialized in being wrong, having an incident of being correct can forever mar their life.
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In fact, what I’ve read is that he didn’t even do that- he said “you’re fired”, but he never did it in the same room, it was edited in post.
I have many issues with the idea of that show but at least in the British version I’m fairly sure that Alan Sugar faced the people he fired.
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If “No one actually says that”, does Vince McMahon not exist, then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfpV5JVv9AY
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When it comes to survivability, Matty B’s claims have no chance—no chance in hell!
Re: Re: Re:2
Hell and SUPER HELL would like to remind you that they would rather send Matthew Bennett and his slightly self-aware caricacture to the SHADOW REALM.
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Re: Re: Re:2
….he’s citing a pro wrestler act, dude. Touch some grass.
Re: Re: Re:3
And you’re citing nothing, so what’cha gonna do about it, brother?
Re: Re: Re:4
I smell what you’re cookin’.
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…you know Pro Wrestling is made up, right? I mean he exists, as does Trump, but they’re both playing a character on TV.
Jesus fuck.
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And at its worst, it’s still more entertaining than you.
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Nobody actually walks into a company they’ve just bought carrying a sink either… Oh wait.
The man is a cartoon character designed to appeal to 4chan, the standards for normal human behaviour do not apply.
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….which was a publicity stunt (and troll).
The sad part is you think you made a point.
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It’s adorable that all your responses ultimately boil down to far right toe sucking and/or ‘No u’.
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as if any of you morons have anything more material.
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We have better jokes than you, toe-sucker.
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Y’know, if I was gay, I’d think I could do better than Musk. He’s not that attractive, right?
Also, eww, feat.
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Who said anything about you being gay, toe-sucker?
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You actually, you keep on suggesting various sexual acts between Musk and I. Kinda weird to be honest.
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So what? For all I know, you’re bisexual or pansexual. Hell, you might only be gay for Elon Musk, given how much and how often you’re kissing his ass.
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I might be, doesn’t make constantly conjecturing about it any less weird.
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Said the guy who fellates a guy who boasts about all the cock he thinks Masnick is going to suck.
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Matthew tries to gay for Elon, but the best stand-in he’s got is a Chozen. Sad!
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Says a lot about Musk that he believes stupid publicity stunts are a good way to run a company.
Says a lot about you that you believe Musk is worth defending in any and all contexts.
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I thought it was a bit of a stretch actually but also as a bit of chutzpah was pretty funny. I guess you’d have to like watching liberals getting pissed off to really enjoy it (which I do, of course) but I coulda come up with something better I think.
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Well then, welcome to the PAB club, Mutt.
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Literally no idea what that means
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It means you’re a pussy ass bitch, Matt, but I think in your case being a pussy ass bitch might be considered an upgrade…
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That’s why it’s funny.
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Is it, tho? Seriously
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And of course everyone’s favorite Elon dickrider predictably appears.
You should get an engineering job at Tesla — Elon would never fire YOU. For one thing, he’d have trouble even seeing you, with your face always buried in his ass.
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Please after Elon bought Twitter Mike was on his knees undoing Elon’s pants ready to suck his cock for some “donations” to the COPIA institute.
Elon told that little fuck to fuck off and now Mike’s all butt hurt because Elon rejected him.
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You got any evidence, other than your obsession with sodomy and Elon Musk’s penis, that backs up your claim?
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[citation desperately needed]
Seriously, Musk was rich long before he publicly said anything about buying Twitter, and the first thing Mike did after the purchase was to criticize him. This is pure speculation at best and deliberately dishonest at worst on your part.
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Personally I think he just likes dystopian censorship and he knew Musk buying Twitter would end that and that’s when the hate-boner began.
To be fair you see similar behavior from lots of leftists.
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Every accusation, a confession. Remind me, Mutt: To which political party does Ron DeSantis belong?
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Oh, no, I fucking love DeSantis.
…you realize as long as education is provided by government (it really shouldn’t be, seriously, privatize the whole thing) then curriculum will be subject to politics. It literally has to be.
Tax dollars pay for the education (with little to no free market forces intervening to give parents a choice) therefore the curriculum will be determined through the democratic process.
Yeah, I get it, you’re real upset the majority of voters (in FL, at the least, but also probably most places) disagree with you but seriously, get fucked. No, that democratic process over a shared resource (which really shouldn’t be) is not “censorship”. Just heading you off at the pass, here. I know your argument, it’s fucking dumb.
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Because of course you do. You know being a fascist is a submissive trait, right? Wanting to be ruled by a big, strong man who tells you what you can and can’t do—that’s total sub behavior.
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Why do you think Matty wants to be assfucked by Chozen so much?
Doms and subs. The bastions of love, tolerance, understanding, and healthy relationship dynamics.
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I AM from a country where dystopian censopship is a fucking NORM.
And even I agree with Mike here.
The behavior is not from progressives, but “conservatives, aka, white supremacists/Nazis, aka people like you and their fucking simps.
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OK, and? You can be from a shithole country and still be fucking wrong, there’s nothing interesting about that.
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Except Musk still engages in that sort of “censorship”, as you call it, which is exactly what Mike claimed, and in some ways, Musk does it even more egregiously.
I also don’t see how it’s even remotely dystopian, regardless of who the target is.
And you still haven’t actually answered my question or addressed what I said. If anything, you just contradicted your earlier claim by providing an explanation that would make it less likely that Mike was trying to soliciting donations for the COPIA Institute from Musk. But yeah, still no citation for any of your claims.
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Oh no, I work from home and quite like that, and Musk demands long hours. Also I’d have to live in SF. Hard pass.
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Wait, if you work from home, how would you even know if people say “you’re fired”?
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Y’know that makes no sense, right?
I’m reminded again that you must be very young.
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What’re you, twenty-three?
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I am honestly curious as to why you guessed that number.
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Because it’s precisely old enough to be arrogant about being older than someone while still being a young shit arrogant about knowing better than everyone.
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I could say the same about you.
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Sounds like you’re guessing two decades high there.
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People get told “You’re fired” by the person directly, verbally, and in-person; that’s the whole claim that we’re arguing about. You wouldn’t have that if you work from home because you don’t typically have verbal, in-person communications with your boss (assuming you’re not self-employed). You’ve just explained why no one would expect you to ever hear the words “You’re fired” from your boss like this.
I remind you yet again that you are very wrong about that. You really need to stop jumping to conclusions about age like that.
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The story was reported by two veteran journalists who cover this as their main beat, and have for years, who are famous for their deep connections within companies. They have tremendously strong reputations. You really think they’d blow up their credibility on a story this easy to disprove?
And I’ll note that Musk has yet to deny it.
Separately, for all your talk of “no one actually says that” note the other links in the article that link to other examples of him doing the same thing at Tesla. It may be true that almost no one says “you’re fired.” But there’s pretty compelling evidence that Musk does exactly that.
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Why would he? Seriously some things should not be dignified. It’s a junk story based on the account of one anonymous source who has every reason to lie. It’s a good thing they’re self-employed because by rights they should be unemployable for having published this.
You should probably check out those links, because they don’t actually do that. Newsflash: Masnick lies about the “evidence” he presents all the fucking time.
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[citation needed]
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https://www.techdirt.com/search/?q=twitter+files
There ya go.
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bhull242 asked you to cite instances of Mike Masnick lying and you reply with a Techdirt search?
You’re not winning any of these arguments… you’re really not.
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A search for “twitter files”. He has lied EVERY time he has mentioned them. Just a few days ago he wanted to pretend the Twitter Files never mentioned requests by Trump or the DNC. Absolutely amazing.
Well yeah, I am, regardless of whether you realize it….but you would if you were smarter.
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…said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
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So you admit you have zero citations that prove your lies, as always.
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As I already pointed out, none of those are lies. Either explain how those are lies with evidence or try something else.
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Please enumerate all the times Mike lied. If you can’t the above statement is considered defamation.
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Also, be specific.
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For someone who claims to care about neither Musk nor Trump you certainly get your panties in a huge twist because their feelings were tangentially insulted.
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Oh, I know. It’s Mr Cosmo Spacely.
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Wasn’t it that OTHER guy with notoriously thin skin, and no competence at anything, with a[n alleged] drug habit, no morals, problems having lasting relationship, never actually worked a day in his life, destroys all he touches, has a desperate need for people to like him, and lies about his qualifications to over up the fact all he has is a degree in money-astrology [or ‘economics’ as they like to call it] they bought from UPenn with daddy’s money.
Who could have seen this coming?
Oh, wait, that’s all of us in the real world, who saw all the signs.
I find use of the word “engagement” in this context to be a bit strange. Typically, I have heard this term used to describe activity by two consenting individuals where they come to some mutual agreement, usually one of marriage.
I guess use of the term originated at twitter, idk.
What Elon wants apparently, is an unremovable megaphone attached to everyone’s ears and charge you for the annoyance.
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What? I could see funny, but how did this get an insightful?
Social media ‘engagement’ as a metric has been repeatedly discussed online and specifically here at techdirt for years. The word engage and its variations like engagement have half a dozen definitions, some with multiple parts. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engagement
This has got to a weird article to hop on after having missed the pop culture train on everything from ST:TNG to Facebook to be that confused by the word.
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No, “engage” is only properly used to describe actions of battle units and drive trains. Every other usage is a ridiculous bastardization.
Because /s.
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The only thing...
… I want to read concerning Elon Musk is his obituary.
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Y’know points for honesty but you guys are rabid, damn.
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Just pointing out that Ed was flagged for this. Seems to be something most people here don’t find acceptable discourse.
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I’ll settle for an annotated version of his simp-authored biography.
Now THAT would be good reading.
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I don't think it's Musk that's having a shit fit.
Never heard of Platformer, appears to be just a substack newsletter. In any case I wouldn’t regard Casey Newton nor Zoe Schiffer (or for that matter anyone from The Verge) as a neutral source. This has all the “anonymous sources say” hallmarks of a Trump era WaPo/CNN article, but it’s even worse because they’re citing an obviously disgruntled employee.
And why keep the employee’s name anonymous, exactly? Musk knows who this theoretical employee is, if the story is real. Obvious answer is there’s at least some distortion of the truth, possibly a lot, and whoever it is doesn’t want future employers to know they’re a liar.
Real answer is that Musk probably fired someone for not doing what he directed (i.e. tweaking or not tweaking the algo in a certain way) which he has quite publicly promised to do. He’s not particularly know to be temperamental, but MDS sufferers like you sure do like to claim that.
This article is trash and you’re trash for sharing it. Go back to covering IP law.
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I guess it’s not just Elon who’s a wittle piss baby.
All his wittle cultists are wittle piss babies too!
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The ones who show up here are just desperate out-of-work North Korean news presenters.
Unfortunately the market is already oversaturated. Time for another gig, little boys. Have you considered starting a megachurch? I hear they go great for those who prefer belief over facts.
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Just because you’ve never heard of it, doesn’t mean it isn’t a valid source of news and information as I highly doubt you know everything, even though you love to act like that almost daily.
And who made you the arbiter of what is a valid source or not anyway?
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Yeaaaah it’s not the harassment from musk that they’re worried about. It’s the harassment from his fanboys such as yourself who are routinely insulting people who don’t like musk.
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that’s not what they said, tho. Because they wanted to smear Musk. Just one of several indications it’s not a serious article.
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You really get yourself very worked up over someone you keep insisting that you don’t care about.
I mean, we all know why you do. It’s because Musk supposedly “owns the libs” – and frankly he’s not even good at that.
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He’s pretty good at that (not the best) and to the degree I’m a fan it’s mostly over that.
But no, I mostly just hate your liberal opinions for being dumb, not especially because of Musk. (i.e. you need “owning”)
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Seems you need to get a life then because that’s one shitty reason to deal with reality and failing.
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You keep saying that but the one thing you’ve never provided is a reason why. Is it because you feel threatened? Is it because the existence of people having a different opinion makes you insecure? Is it because you’re being hurt? Like… anything at all. Anything besides the equivalent of “because I can”. Because you are spending a lot of time just to shit on nobodies you believe are beneath contempt.
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Because of the rabid Musk Fanbois.
But… Musk may not know who this “theoretical” employee is, other than “he was a principle engineer”. He’s not the sort to remember the names of the janitorial staff or other “unimportant” people, after all.
Oh, wait. He got rid of the janitorial staff. Well, you know what I mean.
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Regardless of whether that’s a serious concern, it’s not what they claimed tho, is it? Cuz it’s not a serious article and they wanted to smear Musk.
And yeah Musk remembers principle engineers.
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What’s that mental illness called where you believe that you know someone or are outright friends with them, despite never having met them?
Because I think you have it.
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He’s a SIMP.
For Elon Musk.
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I don’t know if it’s necessarily a mental illness, but what Musk fanbois are doing is commonly referred to as having a “parasocial relationship” with the subject of their affection. The primary problem with Musk fanbois is that their “relationship” is entirely one-way.
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That applies to basically all celebrity, but as I’ve explained before I’m not particularly a Musk fan it’s just the arguments against him are so fucking dumb.
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And yet, here you are, defending him as if you were on every article about him (and even a few that aren’t). Don’t lie to me if you’re going to make your lying that obvious; you’re not that clever and I’m not that stupid.
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“I’m not particularly a Musk fan”
Let’s see.
Does he only jump up and down when Twitter is mentioned?
Does he also jump up and down when Tesla is mentioned?
Does he also jump up and down when Musk is mentioned outside those two companies?
Does he spend all his waking hours jumping up and down about matters involving or even tangential to Musk?
He’s right. He’s not a Musk fan.
He’s a Musk SUPERfan.
About a baby step from being a psychotic stalker, in fact. If Musk actually gave a monkey’s about the safety of his offspring, he’d be hiring a large number of private dicks to track our persistent little chum to make sure he goes nowhere near the Musk family.
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I also need to add, that the usual suspects also do the same thing for…
Trump and everytime the Republicans are criticized.
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Fuck you’re dumb. Make an argument next time.
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It doesn’t take an argument to point out that despite you claiming to not care about Musk, you show up each and every time his actions are examined and criticized.
I mean, it’s not exactly a secret, and it’s not a secret why you do it. You’re heavily personally invested in Musk because you think that he’s the one who’s going to bring the right-wing incels back into power so they can laugh at the trannies and the fembois and the wimmin again. And you get outraged when this gets brought up. Absolutely apoplectic. The best response you have to that is just calling everyone dumb.
So no, I don’t think we’re going to do as you say. You can just keep getting mad until something bursts.
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I honestly don’t even have the time. That was dumb. Sorry you hate free speech.
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Don’t lie to yourself, Matthew.
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[Projects facts contrary to evidence]
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‘I’m not a fan of that team!’ screamed the person wearing an official team jersey, an official team hat festooned with official team pins, waving an ‘[Insert Sports Team here] are #1’ flag in one hand and clutching a laminated lifetime pass for every one of their games in the other.
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Bratty Matty isn’t a stalker, he doesn’t have the resources for that. Stalkers actually pose some kind of a threat when the topic of their fascination continues to not know they exist. Not so much for Matty. Matty’s the kind of fan who will masturbate to Musk but never do anything more than that. For him the highlight of his life is mocking critics as the most hardcore edgy thing he will ever accomplish.
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I this fantasy of yours, it’s complex.
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You have a thing for proving me right don’t you, you subby little boy toy?
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Says the guy who comes in here daily. sobbing and crying that big bad meanie Mike has hurt his feelz because he wrote an article critical of your idol Musk.
And don’t forget about all the times you cry and whine to Mike asking him to quite writing mean articles about Musk because that hurts your feelz too.
And lastly, you are also the one who whines to Mike asking him to quit talking about Mastodon because it hurts your feelz and makes you afraid when people leave Twitter for Mastodon.
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Dude.
C’mon.
We’re all pretty familiar with your short but prolific comment history (under this handle anyway). You can’t gaslight us with that weak sauce.
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I mean, I like Musk better than you retards but that isn’t really saying much, is it?
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Au contraire, you sticking to defending Musk despite all his obvious failings while resorting to name calling and playground insults when challenged says a lot.
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You have only ever commented here to mention Musk and/or (after Musk bought it) Twitter. You have only commented here to either defend Musk or attack his detractors, even in articles that have nothing to do with Musk or Twitter. The arguments are the same ones made here in other cases as well, including about free speech, moderation, and thin-skinned employers. If they are bad arguments, they are not exactly unusually bad for this site by any metric.
Even if you’re not a Musk fanboy, your behavior is indistinguishable from one.
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I probably commented here while you weren’t born yet or were a toddler, kid.
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ok boomer
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I love this. You were given one data point (presumably I’m older than 30, more like 35, I’m 45 btw) and you say the same dumbass shit every zoomer says when they realize people older than they are are just amazed at how retarded they are.
Most of your generation isn’t going to even reproduce and it’s fucking sad, honestly, on like 12 different levels. Your parents (mostly my age cohort, actually) failed you. It’s not your fault but you’re sad stunted things just the same.
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As someone who is actually in that age cohort, kindly don’t speak for me.
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Very little of your “data points” are to be trusted, but it is funny as fuck that all it took was two words to yank out several paragraphs of self-serving, masturbatory vitriol from you. Which, all things considered, is not surprising that you hold that generation in such esteem, because you genuinely think that Musk is the savior who’s going to let you be a misogynistic, ciswhite hack that can shit on everyone like a kindergartener who’s discovered swear words for the first time.
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You were given precisely zero data points about me, yet you had no problem leaping to conclusions about my age. And more recently, you leapt to the same conclusion again even though I had already told you that you were completely wrong. Again, I am not a zoomer, nor was I born in this millennium. And yet here you are, ridiculing someone for incorrectly guessing your approximate age.
I suggest you think before throwing stones in the future.
And now you’re doing the same thing again. You’re doing exactly what you accuse others of and making assumptions about age and about an entire age group based on little-to-no data.
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Because you talk like a very young person who thinks they’re smart but has very little real knowledge of the world (i.e. sophomoric).
If you’re older than that, that’s quite sad, actually. You really should learn a lot more before trying to discuss things with the seriousness you attempt.
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You really are the projection-cannon here. You constantly lie, conflate and otherwise display a tenuous connection to factual reality. When asked to back some of your claims up, you dissemble – almost every fucking time.
You whole argument about age only shows everyone what a sad little fucker you are, because it’s part of your dissembling.
You have the air of an accomplished asshole that aren’t welcome anywhere. Your are just a sad little fucker that are to stupid to understand why no one likes you.
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[Asserts facts not in evidence]
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You’ve already greatly underestimated my age before. For the record, I was legally an adult since before this site existed, so you’re flat out wrong there.
And no, you haven’t been commenting here that long as far as I can tell, at least not under that name. Maybe I’m wrong, but if I am, prove it.
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These people do love their strawmen. I’m often amazed at what they build to fight instead of addressing my actual opinions or life experiences.
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Right? Like, my age doesn’t even actually matter, but that he assumed my age based on zero evidence and was completely wrong about that…
Seriously, what is even the point about making the guess, and how could you be so confidently wrong about it? If I’m wrong, disprove the argument.
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There’s a lot of arguments that aren’t based on actual evidence. Often, when you get into the “evidence”, it’s lacking or the cite itself disproves their arguments, so it can be easier to dismiss the opponent rather than try to form a response.
So, here we are – when confronted, it’s easier to pretend that you’re talking to kids who can’t possibly understand life experience, than accept that you’re talking to peers with more or different knowledge that can be discussed. The irony is, this is way more childish than the “kids” he imagines he’s talking to would be.
Disproving the argument requires citations that can be examined, logic that can be discussed, evidence that can be falsified. “Get out of here kid” requires only imagination and a lack of self esteem.
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Didn’t he used to be the telecom fanatic, or am i conflating them with someone else?
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That was Dick Bennett.
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Technically, Matthew is also a dick Bennett.
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…I’m not particularly a Musk fan…
Rated as funny…
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That’s the term I was looking for, thank you!
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It’s called “ethics in tech journalism”.
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It’s actually closer to the opposite of that. “Anonymous sources” are by and large not credible, at all. We saw this dozens, maybe hundreds of times during the Trump years, and very little if any of it turned out to be true.
You don’t get to make shit up just cuz you don’t like someone and pretend “Imma a journalism!”
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You can consider the credibility of a story with anonymous sources by considering the credibility of those reporting those stories and the outlets in which those stories are published. You can also consider whether the information provided aligns with known facts and patterns about the subject at hand.
Lots of people will only go on the record anonymously because they fear reprisals of various kinds from lots of various sources—e.g., violent randos, employers, and career politicians. That they refuse to publicly give their name should not, in and of itself, discredit the information they’re willing to give.
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This publication is not credible and no organization that has heavily relied upon anonymous sources has proved terribly credible in the past decade or so (mostly thinking WaPo, CNN, both of which were credible, once).
Fact of the matter is if you can’t cite a real source an article like this shouldn’t be published. I highly doubt there’s a real good reason for withholding this name which is part of why it’s just a trash story.
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[citation needed]
[citation needed]
I’d be worried about what Musk fanbois might do to me if I were in that ex-employee’s position. That’d be a good enough reason for me to only speak to the press on the condition of anonymity. And FYI, credible reporters will ask for off-the-record proof of identity to make sure they’re not talking to some rando making wild-ass claims.
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Stephen Stone: “I think…”
[Citation needed]
Seriously, credible is an opinion, you can’t even provide a citation on that, wtf. Think just a little, please
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It’s cute when you bots keep demonstrating you think in terms of “gotcha” phrases because you don’t grasp context.
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Ironic.
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Casr in point.
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Reasonable opinions are backed by facts and evidence. Your opinions seem lacking in both.
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You mean like this shitty article Masnick thinks is important? You can cite me if you want, at least I’m not anonymous.
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You must think it’s important if you’re continually trying to discredit it in defense of Elon Musk.
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Reasonable opinions are based on some sort of facts. Asking for an evidentiary basis for your opinion is not unreasonable.
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So epistemology isn’t your strong suit, then? Just say that.
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…projects the moron who implicitly trusts liars and screams the facts are not credible.
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“Epistemology” is about how we know things. Since we’re talking about an opinion rather than fact and belief rather than knowledge, it’s not exactly a perfect fit to this discussion.
Nevertheless, asking for your reasoning for the opinion you gave, such as your evidentiary basis, could be considered comparable to asking you for your epistemology with regards to the claim in question. Given that there are many kinds of epistemologies, asking you such a question is perfectly reasonable.
And again, when you’re trying to convince others that your opinion is reasonable, it is perfectly reasonable to ask you to provide reasons for your opinion. That’s how discussions generally work.
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You have aptly proved by your behavior here that revealing the name of the engineer or any other source at Twitter would be a very bad idea since I have no doubt at all that there’s even more unhinged and rabid Musk fanboys that’ll do a lot more than just making stupid angry posts demanding Mike stop writing about how Musk is burning Twitter down.
Your crazy defense of Musk is the needle and thread needed to make you the rear-end of the human-Musk-centipede.
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Not an argument at all, your assertions don’t even have a basis (have I demonstrated any desire to hunt down said engineer?).
The story is completely unreliable. Just accept that.
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I rate your reading comprehension as a FAIL.
I pointed out that there exists even more unhinged and rabid Musk fanatics than you, it has even been in the news how Musk fanatics have no problems harassing and sending death threats to people.
You are just at the harassing stage at this point, who knows where your fanatical defense of Musk will lead to.
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Just to clarify: Platformer News is extraordinarily credible, and is generally considered the go to source for any reporting on trust & safety / content moderation issues.
At the TrustCon event a few months ago, they only invited two publications to attend: me for Techdirt and Casey for Platformer.
Just because you’re unaware of the publication, does not make it not credible.
As for anonymity, considering that another former Twitter employee was forced to flee his home and eventually sell it, there are legitimate safety reasons not to name former Twitter employees. It is true that anonymous sources can be an issue that should make you dig deeper, but given Casey’s reputation, it would be a huge scandal, and one easily shown, if he somehow faked this story as you claim.
I know you don’t care for facts or anything, but since you’re the one making shit up in this thread, I figured I’d add in some useful background, which I know you will dismiss and ignore because it’s extremely inconvenient for your narrative.
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Considering the amount you lie on these pages, do you expect that to mean something? Like you literally have tried to claim censorship is free speech and there’s no 1A issue with the FBI directing same. You say they’re the “Go to” that means they share your views and that’s the opposite of an endorsement.
So it was a very small event and “Casey” (interesting, so you’re friends then) was in bad company? Got it.
If he was one of the guys responsible for the censorship you think is so great, I definitely can see people be mad, but that’s not really directed at random engineers. And was he force to “flee” or did he just not have a job in SF anymore? C’mon now.
But that’s not the reason “Casey” gave, was it? He mentioned retribution by Musk. Except Musk knows who this guy is. So is “Casey” just making up something to slur Musk, or does he just not have a good reason for citing an anonymous source? It has to be one of those two, it can also be both, but it can’t be neither.
He doesn’t have a reputation outside of SF Leftists, it seems. And since you’re reading comprehension isn’t great, I was less claiming he “faked it” than he was relying on an unreliable AND anonymous witness with ample reason to lie and the story just shouldn’t have been written based on that. The NYT certainly would never have published it, even biased as they are. I suspect “Casey” isn’t employable by more respectable publications anymore.
That’s another way of saying I think you’re full of shit, Masnick. Complete, indefensible, shit.
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You have never, not one single time, shown in any way shape or form that Mike is lying.
Do you really think you can come here and spew your drivel and what… we are all supposed to drop to our knees and accept everything you say as gospel?
Maybe if you had real proof other than your hurt feelz, you could have a point, but considering the only proof you have is your hurt feelz, well… that’s worth about as much as the turd I just dropped.
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That is defamation unless you can factually enumerate the lies.
Spoken like a true harasser, because documented death threats and harassment campaigns towards a person and their family seems to be the norm in your world – they should just stay put and risk getting hurt or worse from some unhinged Musk fanatic thinking they are doing Musk a favor.
You are one ugly fuck on the inside.
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https://www.techdirt.com/search/?q=twitter+files
There ya go. Masnick has my email, he could sue me if he wanted. That’d be funny.
Leftists seem to be a much bigger threat in general but “dcoumented”, you say? Do you have such documentation?
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The majority of politically motivated violence in this country comes far more from the right wing than the left. Or do you suffer from the delusion that January 6th was an operation carried out entirely by that well-known nationally organized group known only and specifically as Antifa?
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Incorrect. I really don’t know what you think happened on Jan 6th, but it wasn’t terribly violent, actually. A cop shot a woman, that was pretty violent. But regardless it pales in comparison to the BLM riots. Cities burned and 40 something people died.
Even when we talk targeted political violence Leftists are way worse. Seen any Righties planning SC Justice assassinations? Shooting up baseball fields targeting the democrat team?
That you legitimately think conservative commit more political violence speaks to the echo-chamber you’re in.
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I reality: Jan 6 was 600x as violent as BLM protests.
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oh? By what metric?
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Reported injuries to police officers.
Black Lives Matter:
2,000 reported police officer injuries
In violence reported Across 7% of 8,700 protests from May 25-Jul 32, 2020
(According to FOX and the Major Cities Chiefs organization)
Jan 6:
140 reported police injuries
At a single terrorist attack event.
(According to Capitol Police union)
(140/1) / (2,000/8,700) = 609
Right-wing terrorism is about 600x as violent as BLM protesting.
caveat – the first number does not account for violence at BLM rallies instigated by right-wing provocateurs, such as happened in Minneapolis.
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None of that was a lie, so you still have yet to demonstrate any lies.
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Of course it was. Every single article he’s every posted about twitter files was a lie.
I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to realize it, but you’re not very smart. Tell me more about Mr. Bari Weiss of NY Post.
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Says you. Chozen says I’m his pretty little boy toy and that’s all that matters. One day I’m going to get Elon to say it too. Until then haters gonna hate!
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No, it was a very large, fairly crowded event, and that’s spoken as an attendee, who can confirm that Casey Newton is not just a respected and credible journalist, but one who there was a whole session focused on discussing with him how he was so good at finding stories within the social media companies.
The reason stated by the organizers for only inviting Casey Newton and Mike Masnick was that both were speakers because of their knowledge and expertise (along with respect from people who do this work), and the event itself was closed to outside press, because it was intended as an event for practitioners to meet with each other, not show off to the media.
Video confirmation that this was not “a very small event.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZPuEFzjWfc
Just want to be clear that people who actually work in this industry and read Techdirt (and Platformer) recognize that someone like you who has no idea what he’s talking about.
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I’m looking at your video, looks like a pretty small event.
Also “Trust and Sastefy” professionals I’m sure think censorship is good. I don’t. I think you shouldn’t have a job and that Masnick was invited to such a thing mostly shows he doesn’t believe in free speech.
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Anyone can look at the video and see that you’re wrong.
And, no, I don’t know of any trust & safety professionals who “think censorship is good.” Most of them focus on trying to ensure as much speech as possible is enabled by making sure that those who participate follow the rules of the platforms they are on.
But, having seen your comments here, over the past few days, it does not surprise me that you do not understand this at all.
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You just said you think censorship is good, with extra steps.
And yeah, small event. Your video you’re so proud of makes it clear it’s a small event.
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That attitude makes you one of those people who would silence other peoples speech by shouting them down and making them so uncomfortable that they remain silent.
Being part of the market place of ideas does not mean everybody is part of every conversation, but rather that people can set up their own stall, and interested parties can see what they have to offer, and decide whether to hang around or look elsewhere.
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..said nobody literate, ever.
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Considering how you have failed to demonstrate that Mike has ever lied even once, do you expect that to mean something?
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If you had a brain, yes. Showed him lying PLENTY of times, actually.
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[citations needed]
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Considering the only thing you’ve ever said is:
“Mike is lying”
Does not actually show him lying.
Care to try again?
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[Halucinates facts contrary to evidence]
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I’ve already pointed out that you haven’t. You just listed a search on this site with no further explanation. That is not a demonstration. That is an assertion. A demonstration would involve an explanation, namely what the lie is, what makes it a lie, and evidence for both.
Moreover, I’m familiar with those articles, and I found no lies in them.
So no, you haven’t shown him lying “plenty of times”. You’ve asserted it plenty of times, but an assertion is not showing.
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There are lies on those pages. They just happen to be contained solely below the articles, with either “Matthew Bennett” or “Chozen” above each lie.
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I doubt Musk knows the names of any of his employees at Twitter. How would he know who said what in that article just based on the comments themselves, pray tell?
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this is why I think you’re a parody
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And you’re a paradies.
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Damn, coming from you, that’s high praise!
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[Asserts facts contrary to evidence]
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Non cogitat, ergo non est.
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Using latin doesn’t make you seem smart.
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So… what’s your point?
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…as opposed to your proven inability to comprehend basic English…
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We are talking about the same tech reporting industry who thought that Rahul Ligma and and Daniel Johnson were real people.
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Ah yes, the old “if a few of the outlets are morons, surely they all are” defense. A classic weapon in the stupidity arsenal.
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seriously, most of them ate that shit up, it was super dumb.
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I guess we can add innumeracy to the list of your learning disabilities.
There are dozens and dozens of tech journalism sites. A handful of the bigger ones fell for it. That’s not “most of them”.
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Only a few dozen publications cover any particular small story. But as I recall there was only one blog that pointed out the names before the pranksters came clean.
I guess all you can say for sure is that several dozen writers wrote the story without thinking about it critically, at all.
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The Hill’s Brihana Joy, Sander’s former press secretary, was still reporting on the story like it was real after Musk announced he was hiring Ligma & Johnson back. Everyone was watching it like ‘Is someone going to tell this poor woman?’
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Why are you still here?
Shouldn’t you be looking for a public housing project so you can try and order a cocktail?
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“Why are you still here?”
It’s fun watching Mike have a total fucking meltdown as BigTech is pulling back and “dentations” to the COPAI institute are drying up faster than Mike’s mom’s pussy. Musk brought a total sea change to BigTech’s out of control spending which mike has lived off of for years.
Grifter Mike is a year from sucking dick in a train station if BigTech keeps pulling back and that evil fuck knows it too.
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What’s it like having Mike living in a huge fucking castle rent free inside your head?
You spend so much time hate-posting constantly trying to berate Mike, it makes me wonder what kind of a sad and pitiful life you must live.
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Every time you come here and is proven wrong you have a mental meltdown that ends with you hurling insults in the belief its some kind of compelling counter argument.
And it doesn’t stop there, you intentionally make up lies about TD and Mike, a sure sign of someone who have trouble containing their irrational hate of being proven wrong over and over again because it threatens your macho self image.
You also think bragging about your alleged physical stature and sexual exploits should impress or intimidate people but all it tells us is that you are one insecure fucker that desperately seek affirmation. It’s like hearing the bleating from some incel living like a slob with their mom trying to score on the internet.
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Give me your babies daddy!
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You two should seriously just get it down in writing and marry each other already. Do it before MTG nukes the fuck out of gay marriage, too.
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That’s not going to happen, you filthy lib, because unlike you I know what it’s like to be special-wecial-widdle snowflake. MTG’s going to reward the true patriots like me with a thick meat Chozen chorizo up my tight little hole.
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Love wins, right?
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For worse, not for better.
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Shhh, don’t say that! Stephen T. Stone won’t like that.
What's wrong with our society?
How does it require a sociopathic moron to create a large-scale successful future-technology company like Tesla? Why is it something that a large established individual transportation company with quite deeper pockets cannot do at least as well when change is needed at the stake of humankind’s survival?
I realize that part of the answer is bluffing investors into betting on your empty hands while everybody else folds. But that can’t be all.
And of course, Musk may just be using a mathematician’s tool set here by working towards a known starting point: he has had success starting companies from the ground up, so he starts off by razing Twitter to the ground.
But, well, he could have gotten that cheaper.
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Musk didn’t make Tesla.
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Production of its first car started 5 years after Musk became majority stake owner and a year after he became CEO, so clearly its rise to the current prominence is not unrelated to him.
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Put me in charge of a company like Ford and I could sit on my ass reading all day and the company would still be pumping out trucks thanks to the skilled people below me, the fact that he was CEO doesn’t necessarily tell you how much if any of it’s success is due to him and given the ‘masterful management skills’ he’s shown with Twitter you’ll excuse me if I doubt that Tesla’s success is thanks to him being at the helm.
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If you were put in charge of a company like Ford before it had produced its first car ever, your comparison would make more sense.
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Musk may have had a large role in Tesla’s success, but he was not the only person responsible for it.
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Sure, like with any company. But where are all the other successful EV manufacturers in a global growth market, for comparison’s sake?
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Tesla being ahead of the curve doesn’t make Musk a genius. Please stop mythologizing the same man who decided to cut off Twitter’s API because he wasn’t getting enough people to pay for Twitter Blue.
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Yeah I know you guys think you can just luck into being one of the richest people in the world but that just isn’t true. You think that because you hate Musk, not because there’s any evidence for it.
He did, effectively “make” Tesla, even if he didn’t found it, and he has done that with several other companies too. He has done the same thing, several times now. As an experiment, it’s pretty repeatable.
Tell yourself that Musk is dumb and lucky is very reassuring to you, and you want to believe it, but all evidence is the exact opposite.
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Some of the most successful CEOs rode market trends into big numbers and left the company before the bills came due. Lot of them came out of the dot com boom, where they escaped the consequences of the crash by selling early. Kevin O’Leary comes to mind. Once you have enough power coupons, you can make bets until one pays off. Casually chuck a billion dollars at a break even company.
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Donald Trump was born into the right family and failed upward so hard as an adult that he became the president of the United States. I hate to break this to you, Mutt, but life is all about luck, and some people are born on third base thinking they hit a triple.
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Oh yes you can if you dad gives you a massive starting stake, and you don’t but all dud shares. Beyond a certain point of wealth, it is very difficult not to grow your wealth.
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Hell, that was one of the lessons of Brewster’s Millions: When you’re rich, spending money is a hell of a lot harder than making it.
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Musk’s entire ride with Twitter being a Brewster’s Millions deal would explain an awful lot, to be honest.
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“I don’t care about Musk! I’m not a Musk fan, I swear! But I will scream and bitch and whine and moan if you don’t get down on your knees and worship the ground he walks on! I’m not a fan! I’m not a Musk fan I tell you! I’m not!” screeched Matthew M Bennett, froth flying from his lip as he flailed his arms like a panicking parrot.
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I am not making Musk into a genius. Get off your broken record. My complaint was exactly that our society apparently wants a total narcissistic dysfunctional sociopath moron like him to be for navigating a company like Tesla to the head of the game. In a solitary position in an obvious growth market.
What’s wrong with the setup of our economy that it runs best on squeaky wheels like that?
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Elon is merely the most recent rich psychopathic ass to run several companies.
All the big Republican superfunders? Just as psychopathic. Wall Street? Same deal.
Have I mentioned the captains of industry at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution? Most kings in the Middle Ages? General Sulla? Qin Shihuang?
It’s mostly psychopaths and jerks in power all the way down. And apparently, we like that sort of thing.
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Here’s a list of 25, is that enough?
https://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehicle-volumes/
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The reason boards and shareholders spend so much on CEO pay is because it has the most effect on corporate performance. It’s actually cost effective.
So your claim is directly refuted by all available evidence.
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What available evidence? There’s a whole host CEO’s that was highly paid that failed spectacularly.
You should read Sydney Finkelstein’s book Why smart executives fail, it has ample examples of highly paid CEO’s running companies into the ground. In the book he also have a list of “Seven habits of spectacularly unsuccessful executives”, Musk exhibit many of them:
There’s something else you should read, an article at Inc discussing a couple of studies and how CEO’s affect a company’s performance:
Walter Frick, a senior associate editor at HBR, writes that luck does indeed play a large role, according to recent research. A Harvard Business School study finds CEOs’ impact on company success ranges from just 2 to 22 percent, depending on the industry. Another study from Texas A&M puts the figure at between 4 and 5 percent.
CEO’s aren’t highly paid because they succeed, they are highly paid because that’s the norm which is not really tied to performance in any way. If your assertion where true, all companies with highly paid CEO’s should perform better than companies with CEO’s that aren’t paid as much – instead your statement is kind of ridiculous in the face of factual reality.
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I could spend effort refuting dumbshit, or just assign you some reading. Choosing the latter, the google search took 5 sec, but this is also common knowledge amongst finance types.
https://time.com/5566816/ceo-pay-income-inequality/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/success/ceo-pay-packages/index.html
https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/are-ceos-overpaid
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha…
Seriously, how can you fail so hard at reading comprehension. That people complain about exorbitant CEO-salaries is nothing new which is what all the links you provided mainly talked about. But your initial assertion was that having high paying CEO’s make companies perform better, so I’ll just leave this here:
A report by MSCI sampled 429 large-cap U.S. companies between 2006 and 2015. It found that during that time, shareholder returns of those companies whose total pay was below their sector median outperformed those companies where pay exceeded the sector median by as much as 39%.
During this period, incentives were the largest element of CEO pay, accounting for more than 70% of total compensation. Study authors found during this time, CEO pay did not positively impact long-term stock performance. In fact, average shareholder returns were higher when a company’s CEO was in the bottom 20% than it was for companies whose executives were in the top 20% of earners.
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….you didn’t read the links.
And then whine about my “reading comprehension”.
Fucking perf. 100% on point. Wow. Thankyou for that. I mean, no one else is going to get value from that, but I will.
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You’re not going to be a CEO, Matt, and no CEO is going to waste an atom of their breath because you volunteered to be their toady on duty.
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Plenty of CEOs drove their companies into the ground and still walked away with shitloads of money. CEO pay is so large because executives are greedy assholes.
If Elon Musk and his fellow executives disappeared tomorrow, Twitter would still chug along. If the remainder of Twitter’s non-executive staff disappeared, Twitter would crumble minutes later. Corporate executives may play a role in a company’s success, but the day-to-day labor of a company’s non-executives is what keep the company from falling to pieces. Remember that before the next time you want to kiss the ass of a billionaire who got where he is today by a combination of luck and exploiting the working class.
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That’s nice. Yeah, day to day operations don’t depend on the CEO, long-term success sure does.
Investors are rational actors, they pay those salaries for reasons.
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That sounds nice and all but from that I’ve read so far in your responses here you haven’t been able to back up your argument that CEO’s with high salaries make companies perform better. What you just asserted above also hinges on your first unproven assertion which makes it just your opinion and not fact.
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You’re begging the question. “How does it require”, “clearly…not unrelated”. You’re making assumptions and treating them as facts.
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I dunno, go ask the Kochs, Rupert Murdoch, or any of those rich Republican superfunders first, then get back to me.
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This entire blog is proof that not all sociopaths are intelligent. Furthermore, its proof that stupid sociopaths tend to gather together for mutual protection.
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That’s true—just look at how fucking dumb you are on a daily basis, Mr. Rape is Funny.
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Sociopath, another word you don’t understand the meaning of because it actually describes you quite well: antisocial and predatory behavior, egotistical, lack of empathy and remorse, lies, aggressive behavior.
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I did wonder why Matthew Bennett has such a frantic fascination with making sure that you’re sucked off on a regular basis.
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A recurring theme on TechDirt is about how companies fail and mistreat their users trying to placate Wall Street by maintaining steady growth quarter over quarter, and how this is a bad way to run a company.
But Elon Musk has owned Twitter for only one quarter, yet the other steady recurring drumbeat on TechDirt is how he has failed in running the company.
It’s not difficult to believe that TechDirt is attacking Musk because Musk has deprived woke ideologues (who are only too real, despite MM’s use of scare quotes) of the viewpoint-based censorship that Twitter formerly provided for them. Perhaps new Twitter really will fail, perhaps it won’t, but the hatred from the woke ideologues would still be there regardless of how Twitter was managed.
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These are not mutually exclusive. A public company run to placate investors with impossible “forever growth” and a private company run to placate the emotional whims of a maladjusted overprivileged man-child going through a mid-life crisis can both be destroyed independently of one another.
You can say “Black people and queers” instead of “woke ideologues”, Hyman. Trust me when I say that we won’t despise you any more than we already do if you actually tell the truth about who you really hate.
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Maybe “woke ideologue” means “people who think CSAM is bad”
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I’m not sure that’s it given the label also covers Trump and the bigot politicians in florida and they might be perfectly fine with Elon’s current stance on that content.
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Hyman Rosen doean’t think CSAM is bad, so that tracks.
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White, coastal hyper-liberals form the bulk of woke ideologues. It was Black voters in Minnesota who defeated the woke ideologue efforts to defund the police there. It’s Hispanic people who deride “Latinx”. Queer Andrew Sullivan despises the woke gender ideologues and the attachment of T to LGB. It’s lesbians who are most vocal about repelling demands that they date men pretending to be women.
It’s hilarious that you think I adjust my speech because I care what you and your fellow woke ideologues think of me.
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It’s hilarious that you have to keep using a euphemism like “woke ideologues” instead of outright naming the specific groups of people you don’t like (e.g., trans people). But the rest of your rhetoric constantly gives you away. We get it, you want trans people driven out of public life (and possibly into their graves), so go move to Florida and help Ron DeSantis make it happen in his state, you hateful son of a rabid bitch.
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The site owner is not Black, not trans, not Hispanic, not an illegal alien, not a street criminal, and not a crazed, drug-addled, stinking, possibly dangerous bum. He is, however, a woke ideologue. I am precisely naming the group I don’t like.
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And again, Hyman, you have been told to stop being transphobic.
If you want to be taken seriously, stop acting like an offended white supremacist and, y’know, pretend to be a decent person.
You can go cry about how your actions having consequences in Stormfront or something. Oh wait, per YOUR admission, you’ve been banned from those wateringholes as well.
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All you have just done is say that you use woke ideologue for people you disagree with, but you have not defines woke ideologue is a fashion that tells anybody else who belongs to that group.
What ideas do you classify as woke?
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Hyman Rosen has mentioned them before.
Anti-vaxx stuff, white supremacism, Nazi-related opinions, transphobic bullshit…
Unless Hyman himself would like to add more?
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Anti-vaxx stuff, huh? My wife, my son, and I are thoroughly vaccinated against COVID, bivalent boosters and all.
It is not white-supremacist to point out accurate statistics about Black crime, educational performance, and social behavior. None of these problems are due to any inferiority because of race. Segregated groups can develop varied behaviors, and unfortunately, the history of racism in the US led to original Black poverty and low quality social services including education and places to live. Now it is the soft bigotry of low expectations that is perpetuating those problems, as woke ideologues excuse antisocial behavior rather than trying to fix it. And there are plenty of white people who have fallen into the same traps.
Men can never be women nor women men. If that is transphobia, you need to blame the universe that has arranged reality in this way, not the people who see reality clearly.
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You actually had a point…
…and then you ruined it with some racist bullshit.
Nobody is trying to “excuse antisocial behavior”. If anything, the people you’d decry as “woke ideologues” would probably love to do what they can to help fix the problem. But generational poverty and systemic oppression compound on one another—and racist-ass conservatives doing shit like deciding that the Blackest city in America needs a separate court system isn’t helping matters much. Let’s also not forget that Black people are seen as inherently more “troublesome” than white people for doing the same things as white people do. Fair or unfair, it’s what happens in a lot of institutions (e.g., schools) where the demographics are overwhelmingly white.
I’m not here to excuse or condone criminal behavior. But I’m not going to act like Black people are all inherently more criminal these days like you seem to think they are. No ethnic group is a monolith; acting like the opposite is true, but only when the ethnic group is “Black”, is what makes you a fucking racist.
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Cities still have areas that are largely Black or largely white, and the largely Black areas are invariably the ones with much higher crime rates. Crimes against people and property are committed by Black people at rates disproportionately high to their share of the population. Refusing to see this and say this does not make it any less true.
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And that’s because racist people like you think being black is the problem. Now go look at statistics for income inequality and unemployment rates and how that drives crime rates.
Not a racist you say? Then why didn’t you look deeper instead of confirming you biases?
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Oh, that’s not an issue with us. We rearrange, we reforge reality to what we see fit. We are whatever fluid gender we want to be and you can’t tell us otherwise. We will shame, humiliate, and remove anyone who stands in the way of being fabulous.
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Once again, no one is claiming otherwise. Outside of genderfluid people, no one says that they used to be a man and became a woman or vice versa.
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There is no such thing as gender that is different from sex. No person can “know” that they are anything but themselves, because no person has ever had access to any mind but their own. To the extent that all men or all women have something in common, it is because they have the common experience of growing up in a body that has that sex, with the physical aspects implied by that. No one of the other sex will have those experiences.
There are men and women who do not wish to conform to the social stereotypes expected for people of their sex. In a free society, they may behave as they wish and alter their appearance as they wish. But they will never be anything but the sex of their bodies even if they choose to have themselves mutilated into a caricature of the other sex, and they should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them against the wishes of the people already there.
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…says nobody mentally competent.
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In what way is he a woke ideologue? Be specific.
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He believes that men can become women and women men. He believes that censoring opinions based on viewpoint in order to attract more people to speak opinions that he likes means that he is a supporter of free speech.
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Whose opinions have been censored, and where can I read those opinions?
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There was that Babylon Bee post that was censored on Twitter for a while, awarding Dr. Rachel Levine their Man of the Year award. Masnick has repeatedly said that silencing opinions that he defines as harassment will encourage those he believes would be the victims of the harassment to speak instead, and that this increase of speech he likes means that he supports free speech. But more speech that he likes is not more free speech.
The Bee had another good one yesterday, saying that the all-woman flyover team at the Super Bowl was running twenty minutes late. To which my wife said, the all-male flyover team never arrived because they refused to ask for directions.
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Not possible in the real world
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Do you mean to say that the post in question was unavailable on the Babylon Bee website for as long as Twitter had that “censorship” in place? Because if so, good lord, Twitter had some goddamn power before Musk bought that shit.
Silencing? No. Refusing to host? Yes. Marginalized people will feel more encouraged to speak out in both cyber- and meatspace when they’re given some level of sanctuary from the bile that people like you spew at them on a daily basis.
Yes, thinking more marginalized people feeling free to speak their minds is a good thing sounds like support of free speech to me.
Except it is.
The primary principle of the concept of free speech says you have the right to speak your mind. By the same token, so does everyone else—and when you speak bullshit, people have every right to call that bullshit what it is and criticize you for speaking it. You have no right to silence them no matter how “woke” you think they are. (Again: By the same token, no one has the right to silence you.)
Your problem is that you believe in the “I have been silenced” fallacy—that is, if someone loses a spot on a platform that they’re not entitled to use, that someone is immediately and irrevocably “silenced”…even when they can use other platforms to talk about how much they’ve been “silenced” (or even repeat the speech that got them “silenced”), often to the acclaim of people ignorant enough to believe that someone on TV yelling about how they were “silenced” on Twitter is somehow unable to get their message out to anyone.
When you say bigoted bullshit, I have every right to call you out on it and dismantle your bullshit line-by-line without you being able to do any-fuckin’-thing about it. That’s not “silencing” you—that’s using my speech to counter your speech. That is absolutely free speech, bitch.
Yes, yes, the Babylon Bee thinks jokes about women drivers are still funny, we get it. Maybe update your sense of humor past its early 1990s expiration date, you witless fuck.
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[citation needed] Again, that is a strawman.
No. He believes that moderating content on a platform based on viewpoints that tend to alienate certain people and reduce open conversations will attract more people to speak opinions in general and that moderating what content appears on your platform is itself an exercise of free speech, so by supporting platform holders to moderate as they wish—even if he disagree with them—he is a supporter of free speech. It has never been about whether or not he likes the opinions being moderated against.
So, again, another strawman.
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Please quote him as saying that.
His very own website is a pretty good example that he doesn’t believe that nonsense.
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Even if we view your …. comment in the most charitable light, This Techdirt article is, in fact, commenting on another article. If anyone is attacking Musk it would be the Platformer article.
However Seeing at there is a bleeding lawsuit due to failure to pay rent on Twitter’s headquarters it… seems unlikely its just all made up BS (if nothing else in the article is compelling to you). Feel free to watch that lawsuit (and any other that pop up).
Anyhow time will show you how it turns out (well I guess you could gouge your eyes out first… so you don’t have to see the vile lies reality perpetrates)
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The article seems plausible to me. I was commenting on the steady drumbeat – new articles weekly – from TechDirt, attacking Musk and defending prior management. I believe it’s because TechDirt is run by a woke ideologue who pretends to support free speech but was pleased when the private sector gave him the legal censorship he wanted for viewpoints he hated. Now that Twitter no longer censors those viewpoints as completely as he might like, he tries to petulantly tear down the new management.
Perhaps the new management will fail miserably (it seems to be heading that way) or perhaps it will succeed, but if it continues not censoring viewpoints woke ideologues hate, woke ideologues will attack it regardless. It isn’t a question of whether the Platformer article is accurate, it’s the fact that TechDirt seeks to amplify everything it can find critical of Musk, just as Tim Cushing seeks to amplify everything critical of law enforcement that he can find.
It’s a matter of emphasis. You don’t see TechDirt writing stories about the mutilation of mentally ill children, for example, even given this latest story from a whistleblower:
https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2023/02/09/missouri-attorney-general-andrew-bailey-confirms-launch-of-multi-agency-investigation-into-st.-louis-transgender-center-for-harming-hundreds-of-children
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Dude, if you were half as concerned about the actual government-backed censorship going on in Florida as you are with the genitals of trans people (and children), you might not be as big a joke as you are right now.
Also, fuck your bigotry. Have the balls to say who you really hate instead of using that “woke ideologue” euphemism.
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Helping white boys learn to be fabulous isn’t harming them, it’s saving them from their own toxic masculinity, and Hyman can’t accept that.
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The government is allowed to speak for itself as it wishes. Florida gets to organize its own institutions as it sees fit, consistent with the Constitution. If it chooses to not permit its employees to promote woke ideology as part of their jobs, that is its right, just as the FDA and CDC have the right to prevent their employees from promoting anti-vaccine policies as part of their jobs.
You woke ideologues were happy when the large generic speech platforms legally censored viewpoints you hated, but you screech like stuck pigs when Florida legally censors viewpoints you like. That’s why the site owner’s claims to support freedom of speech ring so hollow. It is not supportive of free speech to support speech you like and to support censorship of speech you hate. It is not supportive of free speech to declare that more speech is freer speech, when that more speech is only of viewpoints you support.
I hate woke ideologues who are convincing mentally ill children to have themselves mutilated to try to become something they can never be. I hate woke ideologues who take the side of criminal scum that prey on society instead of their victims (like the gangs of Pakistanis in England who repeatedly raped young girls and forced them into prostitution). I hate woke ideologues who try to force people to affirm lies and to ignore the evidence of their own eyes. Woke ideology is profoundly evil poison and will destroy any society that fails to fight it off.
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…said nobody mentally competent, ever.
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Note: Hyman is the only one here who advocates in favor od torturing children, as he does again above.
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Oh, that’s not true, the Platformer article is fucking awful but Masnick cited it credulously, as if it should be taken seriously, despite all the warning signs, apparently cuz “Casey” is a friend of his.
It’s all a bit sad, really.
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You’re fucking awful, so by your own standards, nobody should take you seriously.
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Yes, the crazy shit you come up with to not deal with reality is pretty sad.
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You have yet to provide any actual reasons at all that the article was awful; just your personal incredulity that anyone would tell someone else “You’re fired” (which is a minor detail and also not that absurd even if rare), your personal unfamiliarity with the outlet and journalist in question (which you could fix by looking into them and how others view them), and your (frankly unjustified) distrust of anything Mike says. (Yes, you say he lies all the time, but you have yet to demonstrate even a single thing he said was actually a lie, so that cannot be used as a justification when making the point to others.) You have also failed to give any examples of warning signs outside of the whole “you’re fired” thing, which isn’t much of a warning sign.
So yeah, you basically are making assertions with no grounding at all in demonstrable reality.
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Thanks, Hyman.
Your unflagging defense of Musk, white supremacism and fascism is ntoed.
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Yes, that exactly.
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Even if woke ideologues exist, there is no evidence that actual woke idealogues have had any real power over Twitter, and most people who use that term tend to use it to refer to people and ideas that don’t fall into the idea of “woke” that would actually be radical or alarming.
Basically, it’s become a story of, “The Conservatives Who Cried ‘Woke’”: Way too many instances of the claim have turned out to be either made-up, greatly exaggerated, or not at all alarming, so there is an inference that anyone making the claim is likely full of it or really thin-skinned. It doesn’t help that no one seems to be able to come up with a consistent definition of “woke” that actually applies and is alarming. It’s a self-inflicted wound.
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“Basically, it’s become a story of, “The Conservatives Who Cried ‘Woke’””
It doesn’t help that there’s no real definition of that word. When it was originally coined, it basically meant “person who understands systemic inequality despite not being personally affected by it”, but now it’s been applied to so many things it just means “person who disagrees with conservatives”.
Nowadays, it’s like arguing with the far right over things like “socialism” – the word has actual definitions, but when you’re arguing with someone who changes its meaning on the fly, you can’t really get any common ground.
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Woke ideologues believe that a person can be a sex other than that if their body.
Woke ideologues believe that arrested people with appropriate criminal records should not be kept in jail.
Woke ideologues believe that police should be refunded.
Woke ideologues believe that illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in the country.
Woke ideologues believe that it should be forbidden to mention that Black people commit crimes in numbers disproportionately large to their share of them population.
Woke ideologues believe that it is wrong to criticize Muslim religious views.
Woke ideologues believe in using the heckler’s veto to shout down speakers with whom they disagree.
Woke ideologues believe that religious people should not be allowed to practice their beliefs if those contradict other woke ideology.
Woke ideologues believe that crazed, drug-addled, stinking, possibly dangerous bums should be allowed to live and defecate on public streets.
Woke ideologues believe that it is wrong to evaluate people for their individual capabilities, especially if those people are members of their favored victim groups.
Woke ideologues believe that members of their favored victim groups can never be held accountable for their failures to any extent; only their disfavored oppressor groups may be blamed.
Woke ideologues hate America and its foundational values and principles.
Woke ideologues believe that their false ideology should be taught as truth in public schools.
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Who looks at a basic idea and invents a mistaken and extreme version of what is said, and ends up attacking people for what you think their ideology is, rather than what it actually is.
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As Dark Brandon offered to the Republicans during his SotU address, by all means, please rise up and declare which of these things you do not believe.
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Okay. Let’s go through them, and see which ones are actually positions held by actual woke ideologues (or anyone at all, really), then which ones are held by any of us.
Literally no one believes this as far as I can tell.
Also false. Liberals often believe that the bail system needs reformed so that people unlikely to flee or commit serious crimes while awaiting trial should not be jailed prior to conviction, but if the criminal record suggests that jailing is appropriate, most liberals I’m aware of fully support the arrestee being in jail even before conviction and sentencing. It is heavily nuanced, and as far as I can tell, none would agree with your statement.
I believe you meant “defunded”, but again, the position actually held by people is a lot more nuanced than that.
First, police are being required to do a number of things that should not be left to law enforcement (like counseling drug addicts or the mentally ill), and police departments are funded accordingly. The idea is that some of those funds should be redirected towards specific offices that would handle a lot of that other stuff police deal with that we shouldn’t have them do.
Second, while certainly not true of every police department, some have become so corrupt and so entrenched that, in order to solve the problems with that department, it may be necessary to disband it and replace it with a completely new one built from the ground up.
Third, police departments often spend money on things that they absolutely do not need. A police department does not need a tank. If a situation calls for a tank, that should be left to the National Guard or something, not for general law enforcement. Again, this is a case where the funds really should be directed somewhere where they would be used better.
Again, this is highly nuanced, and your claim includes no nuance whatsoever.
Also no. It’s about how best to deal with undocumented immigrants, due process, paths to citizenship, those who came here as children by no fault of their own, etc. You are still ignoring a lot of nuance. I’m beginning to see a pattern here.
I mean, first, [citation needed], and second, context is important.
To my knowledge, no one (except some Muslim extremists) is proposing this, at least not in a way that Islam would be favored over literally any other religion. (There are some liberals who say that religious views in general shouldn’t be criticized, but that’s not the claim here.)
Finally, a position where people who would be liberal actually hold the position and where it’s actually a problem! Yes, this is something a lot of liberals (though certainly not all) will do. That said, this isn’t even close to being primarily a leftist thing, but I’ll just give you the point on this.
Now, I don’t hold this position, and no one at Techdirt does either, but frankly, this is at least something we can agree does happen and shouldn’t happen and which has been done by liberals, so good enough!
No; they just can’t force others to follow those practices. Basically, it’s when those religious practices affect people who don’t follow the religion that there’s a problem. Practice your religion as you wish (within reason). Contradiction is not the issue here. You are free to have and practice your beliefs even if they make you a bigot.
You’re kidding, right? That’s the opposite of what anyone wants! They shouldn’t go to jail, but they shouldn’t be left on the streets, either. This is the most ridiculously wrong claim you’ve made thus far!
Okay, now, this does actually exist (sort of), but it is quite rare. Again, none of us believe this, but sure. I can say that this would be actual “woke ideology”, and it does actually exist. I’ll grant this one as a part of woke ideology as well, so that’s two now.
Again, completely false. Noting flaws with America as it is now and/or as it was founded are flawed and could be improved is not hating America or its foundational values and principles. This also fails to account for the difference in opinions on what those foundational values and principles are.
So yeah, this is entirely wrong, and not an actual position held by woke ideologues or us.
I mean, with two exceptions, you have failed utterly to actually identify any part of the woke ideology. One of them (using the heckler’s veto is encouraged) isn’t something that could be true or false, nor would it make sense to teach it at all. The other (it’s “wrong to evaluate people for their individual capabilities, especially if those people are members of their favored victim groups”) could actually be taught in schools, and, under the interpretation which is both problematic and that exists, could be said that woke ideologues would encourage to be taught in public schools; however, I have never actually heard that claimed. Really, it’s more about not teaching the stuff that would criticize the “favored victim group” rather than encouraging the teaching that that is wrong.
I’ll only give this one partial credit; I can kind of see this, but I don’t think it’s particularly common among even woke ideologues, and I kinda have to read a lot into this to even get that much.
So, those are all the criteria you mentioned, and of them, only two or three would be positions held by actual people and so could form the criteria for woke ideologues that wouldn’t leave the set completely empty. Now, how does this hold up applied to us?
Well, terribly, actually. None of us hold even a single one of the positions you mentioned. Nor has Twitter or other social media companies ever moderated according to any of those criteria at all. Nor do any liberals in office hold any of these positions, really.
So, which of these do I not believe? All of them. I don’t believe a single one of the things on your list.
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tl;dr: “woke idealogues” don’t actually exist in the real world – only in the hallucinations of deranged vermin.
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Okay Hyman.
We’ve been through this. DSMV says noting about biology. And I’ll trust the experts here.
What’s that word we have… oh right. Everyone deserves A FAIR TRIAL and DUE PROCESS.
The term is REFORMED, if possible. And tehre’s plenty of evidence that AMERICAN POLICE are acting like a criminal gang way worse than what the CIA enabled during the Cold War.
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS. And well, they already made the trek, usually at risk of their fucking lives, might as well at least let them know there’s a way to get that documentation.
Nah, we like to use that FACT to draw attention to how shit black people’s lives ARE. And that EVERYONE deserves a shot at a decent life, not just white people.
Again, that’s wrong and doesn’t consider context.
No, 1A does not guantaree you any sort of reach.
Considering that you were banned for precisely the same reason from those fine wateringholes Hyman, are your conservative pals also woke as well? Besides, I SEE YOUR COMMENT.
And you apparently believe that veterans should be treated like shit and the VA being embezzled by Trump to be a good thing. Because guess what? There’s a good chunk of veterans that become homeless.
No, and I don’t want to even touch on how wrong you are.
Being aware of how privileged white people are in America is NOT that.
Funny, from all that’s happened, I thought it was Republicans, their superfunders and people like you that were against America and her principles.
So who’s passing laws against education again? Certainly not the Democrats.
At this point, you are actually harassing Mike.
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Sex? No. Gender? Yes. Sex and gender are not the same thing.
You say this like anyone convicted of any felony (or maybe a few misdemeanors) should be kept in jail forever.
That’s “defunded”, and considering how more funding hasn’t let to those long-promised (yet wholly mythical) reforms for which pro-cop advocates keep claiming all that funding is needed, maybe cutting back on the budget for some police departments couldn’t hurt.
Eh, depends on the circumstances. Not everyone was brought to this country as a young child, after all.
Only if you forget that most crime is intraracial. White people are guilty of the same charge if you compare white-on-white crime numbers and their proportionality of the U.S. population.
Criticizing specific views is fine. Criticizing the entire religion based on a less-than-majority subset of Muslims holding certain views we would consider “backwards” is bullshit. Criticizing Islam and its most extreme adherents while ignoring the flaws of Christianity and its most extreme adherents is also bullshit.
Then I guess that makes conservatives woke, considering how often they try to silence queer people, people of color, and anyone else who says things that conservatives don’t like to hear. (And by “silence”, I mean everything from “yelling down people” to “killing people”. Remind me: Who was it that shouted “kill Mike Pence” on the 6th of January 2021?)
You’re free to practice your religion as long as it doesn’t hurt other people. What “woke ideologues” don’t like are people who want to make everyone else live according to the rules of their religion. Speaking of which: Is it Christians or atheists who are trying to turn their religious beliefs into the law that governs all people?
No, they believe unhoused people deserve shelther (and treatment for any issues they may have) instead of being demonized as “crazed, drug-addled, stinking, possibly dangerous bums”. Not everyone who does drugs is homeless; not everyone who is homeless does drugs; not every case of homelessness happens only and specifically because of drugs.
…what the fuck are you talking about
You say that like all gay people think there are no “bad” gay people when I promise you that such thinking is rare (if it even exists). If anything, your descriptor applies more often to Republicans than anyone else—I mean, Al Franken got run out of Congress for far, far, far less than the many, many, many lies of George Santos.
lolwut
If anything, the Republicans are far more guilty of this than any queer person or person of color would ever be. Republicans are the ones who keep trying to erase queer history and whitewash Black history nationwide, and that includes their penchant for watering down Martin Luther King’s complex belief system—which would still be considered radical even today—to a single quote taken near-entirely out of its context because it makes MLK seem like anything but an avowed anti-racist who was so hated by America in his lifetime that he eventually got shot in the fucking face for his work in the Civil Rights Movement.
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Remember, it was the Gropey Ogling Pedophile party (GOP) that was proposing bills in Ohio and Florida that were mandating the sexual assaulting of children.
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And until the proposal was shelved following national backlash, Florida’s education system also considered making mandatory the reporting of the menstrual data of female high school athletes. That would’ve been a double-whammy: It would’ve been an attack on trans female athletes and would’ve opened up the potential for investigating teenage girls who missed their periods under the guise of stopping abortions. It’s almost like the GOP would be fine with forcing cisgender girls under the age of 18 into a specific gender role by forcing them to carry a pregnancy to term—even (and possibly especially) if a girl was made pregnant via rape. Curious. 🤔
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TD needs a way to turn the comment tree into a directed acyclic graph; I want this to be a response to both you and the AC who did the same as you, going through the list point by point.
My post was in response to PaulT, who claimed there was no “real definition” of woke, illustrating that in fact, there is a large constellation of false and pernicious beliefs that can be clearly specified and which comprise wokeness. (My list is fairly thorough but not comprehensive. I’m sure I could find more things to add.) Naturally, woke ideologues do not recognize that these beliefs are false and pernicious, or they claim that they don’t believe these things, so your going through the list items isn’t helpful; I already know that you don’t think there’s anything wrong with them. That’s why we’re having culture wars rather than culture debate clubs.
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The way you reason and how you define “woke” means that people who doesn’t agree with you will always be woke according to you. Any pushback to your “expansive” definition is met with “woke ideologues”. It’s a way for you to dismiss any criticism, it’s your safe space.
I sincerely hope you’ll end up on the street – you could do with a dose of reality.
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The core of what you refer to as woke beliefs is a belief that people should be treated with respect, and that includes people who are different from you. All opposition to woke ideas are based on treating people that differ from you as lesser beings.
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No, there isn’t. “Wokeness” as a pejorative has no meaning beyond “things that I, a conservative, don’t like”. It isn’t a coherent ideology; if it were, several conservative beliefs and actions would fall under the banner of “wokeness”—as I specifically pointed out.
All belief is fiction in the deepest sense. But what beliefs one forms aren’t nearly as consequential as how one enacts their beliefs.
Let’s say everything you believe about “wokeness” is absolutely true. Judging by Florida, it looks like those beliefs are justifying censorship, sociopolitical attacks on trans people, and creeping fascism in general. That’s because fascists never tell you what’s true—they tell you what would have to be true to justify what they plan to do next.
(Side note: This is why I like to quote Dogma’s “it’s better to have ideas than beliefs” bit. I don’t always live up to it, but at least I’m tryin’.)
You thinking all “woke ideologues” are a monolith is your malfunction. Fix it yourself.
On the contrary—this one…
…is complete bullshit from both sides of my thinking. Not only is your thinking this is a widespread belief wrong as hell, but the idea of not holding someone accountable for their actions because they’re part of a demographic I‘m in (e.g., queer) is so immoral and unethical that it’s a flat-out ridiculous idea.
People can use oppression from a majority demographic as a justification for their actions. But that can’t completely excuse someone for doing some seriously fucked-up shit. Like, I’m all for reducing anti-queer oppression, and I still think said oppression being a thing shouldn’t inherently excuse a queer person for killing a cishet person.
We’re having culture wars because U.S. conservatives are, by and large, conservative Christians who are taught to fear and loathe any changes to society that don’t favor said Christians. We’re having culture wars because a bunch of modern-day Puritans believe queer people openly existing in society is akin to a pandemic not unlike COVID-19 (and that admitting queer people exist is akin to infecting people with a disease). We’re having culture wars because conservative politicians, conservative pundits, and conservative people with power would rather talk about drag queens than address the failures of near-unchecked capitalism.
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Woke ideologues use “fascist” to mean “things they don’t like”. They use “science” to mean “things they assert are true with no evidence”, such as their abandonment of phonics for whole-language reading education, which has left people unable to read as well, of course, woke gender ideology. They use “caring for people who are different” to mean privileging the dregs of society over the people they prey upon.
Woke ideologues have taken 1984 as an instruction manual rather than as a warning.
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“Woke ideologues .. ”
Yourself and others have used and abused the language for some time, calling people all sorts of names not unlike that of a junior high playground at recess.
When it is pointed out that law enforcement does not need to end someone’s life over the theft of a candy bar it is called woke. When someone points out that personal budgets require income that matches or exceeds what it takes to live in the area, they are called woke.
Neither of the above meet your definition(s) of woke and yet the term is used for most everything these days.
Wow, traffic sucks this morning, must be woke.
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Just yesterday I heard that Chick-Fil-A introduced a sandwich with no meat in it, and that was labeled as woke. So now it even means “food I don’t want to eat”.
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Don’t forget about Tucker Carlson losing his boner over the green M&M because it started wearing sneakers instead of heels. Even cartoon candies are “woke” nowadays.
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Any criminal act against person or property should carry the risk of being met with deadly force during the commission of the crime.
Woke ideologues want to privilege criminal scum over the citizens they prey upon, during the crime (DEFUND THE POLICE!), after they are arrested for the crime (END CASH BAIL!), and after they are convicted for the crime (ABOLISH PRISONS!).
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Okay, so, let me get this straight: If some lone whackjob is breaking a window during what is otherwise a peaceful protest, do you believe that person should be executed by the police on the spot for that transgression? After all, you said (emphasis mine) “any criminal act against person or property should carry the risk of being met with deadly force”. I just want to know if we’re on the same wavelength on that.
I hate to break this to you, Hyman, but people who commit crimes are still people. (And yes, that includes Black people.) The legal system rarely seems to remember this, which is why people are trying to reform the system on several levels. That does include defunding the police (by diverting more funding to the social programs and government institutions that could help people and free up cops to do their jobs better) and reworking the cash bail system (which is inherently stacked against poor people). No progress is perfect, but if we sat around waiting for perfection from our systems and institutions, we’d all end up dying in our seats.
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Why?
Nope.
Yeah, it’s a terrible-sounding shorthand, but it’s a lot more nuanced than that and basically is about reforming the police.
Again, you’re oversimplifying the matter.
[citation needed]
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Other way around, shitheel. Woke ideologues aren’t the ones removing a book about Roberto Clemente from public schools because it mentions the discrimination he faced. That shit is entirely on the wannabe fascists in the Republican party.
You mean like how Young Earth Creationists assert that their ideas about the creation of the universe are a valid scientific theory instead of religious horseshit?
I didn’t know you thought of marginalized people—including physically disabled people, intellectually disabled people, queer people, and people of color—as “the dregs of society”. Thanks for clearing that up!
Florida literally passed laws that have turned an intentionally broad swath of ideas and information into “wrongspeak”, such that someone who supplies that information in any way in a public school can be punished by the legal system for doing exactly that. But sure, tell me how people bitching at you for using racial slurs is the same exact thing as that level of censorship.
Every accusation, a confession…
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The government may speak for itself as it wishes, and may forbid employees from speaking contrary to that as part of their jobs. Just as the FDA and CDC can prevent their employees from speaking against vaccines as part of their jobs, Florida can instruct its public school teachers and public librarians not to promote woke ideology as part of their jobs.
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Here’s the problem with this: When you say “woke ideology”, you’re covering a hell of a lot of speech—some of which might actually be educational even if it’s upsetting to some children (or their parents). If the law says a teacher can’t tell students that a group of people have ever been or are currently oppressed in this country based on their race/ethnicity, how can that teacher even so much as mention any historically documented facts about slavery without risking fines and possibly even jail time?
For someone who constantly whines about “woke propaganda”, you’re the one who seems to support the teaching of a whitewashed version of history.
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Just as large generic speech platforms should not censor opinions based on viewpoint, but can legally do so if they wish, the Florida state government can legally choose not to have certain books in their public school libraries, but should not do that.
In both cases, public encouragement, public shaming, and replacement of the people in charge can be the solutions to overturning the censorship regime.
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You’re the one who keeps whining about “woke ideologists”, and all Florida wants to do is get “woke ideology” out of school libraries (with an eye on public libraries after that). For what reason do you think Florida “should not do that” when all they’re doing is exactly what you’ve openly said they should be doing?
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Libraries should stock books that express all sorts of viewpoints, even false ones, because in a society that holds freedom of speech as a foundational value, those viewpoints should be made available for people to decide for themselves what to believe. That’s somewhat different from the formal subject matter of a curriculum, where the state has to pick what is taught as true in its classrooms, and should reject teaching lies.
Note that school choice, which woke ideologues oppose, would allow people to pick schools that better align with their beliefs while still having the state pay for education, mitigating the effects of the one-size-fits-all state curriculum.
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And yet, I don’t see you decrying the forced removal of queer-friendly books from school libraries in Florida with nearly the same fervence as you decry the existence of trans people. You’re full of shit and we all know it.
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error 404 citations nonexistent
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Naw, the “woke ideologues” poster wasn’t arguing in good faith to begin with.
This is an example of the Space Roach in action. (Take a word with a generally understood meaning, devour that original meaning, and use the word’s syntax and pronunciation with a completely different meaning and intention.)
I’ll Space Roach the Space Roach to show what they were doing:
Woke ideologues use fascist to reveal something about me that I don’t want pointed out … but two can play that game. They use science to mean dogmas to justify their inquisitions.
There’s a tapestry of bad faith tactics in these two sentences alone.
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Both sides have done this. Barack Obama was often called both a communist/socialist and a fascist, often by the same people, and both were incorrect. That said, it isn’t as widespread as you seem to think.
This article doesn’t really support your claim. First, it cuts against the assertion that the lack of phonics-based teaching was purely ideological: the initial implementation was flawed and achieved minimal results, so it was scrapped on that basis. Second, it also singles out North Carolina, which isn’t exactly a bastion for liberalism, so this also suggests a lack of ideology leading to the results. At best, it suggests that liberals were initially skeptical when it was proposed by Bush for ideological reasons, but it being dropped and any continuing skepticism appears to be largely unrelated to that.
Also, how the hell is any of that supposed to lead to “woke gender ideology”? It wasn’t a reaction to a conservative proposal, and literacy has nothing to do with it either (even as alleged), so this seems completely unrelated to your example. If you mean it is an example of claiming science based on no evidence, again, that you reject the evidence for no apparent justified reason doesn’t mean no evidence was presented or exists, nor does it mean the conclusion isn’t based on science.
This I know is false, and you don’t even offer a single reason or example to demonstrate it, so I will reject this claim until you can prove it.
You’ve already shown that you are grossly misusing the term “woke”, so I shall take this with a grain of salt.
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We’re having culture wars because U.S. conservatives are, by and large, conservative Christians who are taught to fear and loathe any changes to society that don’t favor said Christians. We’re having culture wars because a bunch of modern-day Puritans believe queer people openly existing in society is akin to a pandemic not unlike COVID-19 (and that admitting queer people exist is akin to infecting people with a disease). We’re having culture wars because conservative politicians, conservative pundits, and conservative people with power would rather talk about drag queens than address the failures of near-unchecked capitalism.
Also, these white supremacists have exported these “culture wars” into places that don’t involve them and the governments of SOME of these countries have not only imbibed some of the bullshit wholesale, but also ENSHRINED THEM INTO LAW.
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When you see, say or hear “culture war” remember that for you it’s about the culture, for them it’s about the war.
As Umberto Eco wrote:
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I don’t want either, but thanks to the bullshit known as American organized religion, a lot of those ideas were imported into Singapore, starting from the 70s thanks to Billy Graham.
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Oh, and one more thing:
If you wanted a debate, you should try addressing my arguments on their merits instead of avoiding that discussion in favor of whining about “woke ideologues” and making shit up.
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Woke ideologues believe that men who claim to be women should be allowed to force their way into women’s bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, and sports teams against the wishes of the two women already there.
Woke ideologues believe that artists must obtain permission to create art, and such permission should be gated by race and sex. Dana Schutz should not be permitted to use Emmett Till as a subject. Characters who are white, especially white men, on the basis of source material or being historical figures may meritoriously be played by actors who are not white or male (eg., Hamilton or the new 1776). Portraying a character who is not white or male must be done only by someone of a similar race (eg., Rachel Zegler, of Columbian descent, playing a Puerto Rican woman in West Side Story). Showing the film in which Olivier plays Othello in a university course is grounds for forcing the professor into a struggle session.
Woke ideologues believe that it is meritorious for men to mock women by adopting exaggerations of stereotypical women’s clothing and makeup, but evil for white people to darken their skin or simulate epicanthic folds in order to costume as a non-white character.
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“Real”, not “two”. TD needs an edit button and autocorrect needs an upgrade.
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Prior commenter:
“Who looks at a basic idea and invents a mistaken and extreme version of what is said, and ends up attacking people for what you think their ideology is, rather than what it actually is.”
You Probably: Me!, I would!
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You know what’s funny?
If you actually believed this specific idea shouldn’t be a thing—and given how upset you seem by the existence of Hamilton, it sure looks like you do—you’d probably support, with full-throated sincerity, the idea that Scarlett Johanssen has every right to portray Harriet Tubman.
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I am not at all upset by Hamilton (except that I tend to hate musical theater) and I have no objections to non-traditional casting as long as it applies equally to everyone. So yes, Scarlett Johanssen portraying Harriet Tubman would be fine; she could even play it in blackface, although it would be more likely to be a totally race-swapped production, perhaps to give white audiences a taste of what it is like to have people like themselves be subjugated.
It is extremely weird, and emblematic of woke ideology that woke ideologues think that drag is great and blackface or yellowface is evil.
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Yo, this is a mainstream position, as in most Americans will feel this way.
Audiences would be repulsed by yellowface and blackface as a modern-day presentation because we know the ugliness of the yellowface and blackface eras of showbusiness. Plus, American audiences know there are talented and capable nonwhite performers to take on those roles but still have a hard time because the more risk-averse business side of showbusiness is too afraid of banking on said performers because they might alienate segments of the public coded as “Middle America” or “Real America.”
Also, we had a famous presentation of blackface in recent memory with no blowback. Remember “Tropic Thunder”? Robert Downey Jr. literally played blackface and went on to be a huge movie star. It did so because the audience knew TT was a farce, they understood how meta humor works, and TT even set up the joke to explain the blackface.
This is me being the guy heckling the illusionist (you) by yelling out the trick he’s trying to perform. Illusionist, this is not for your benefit.
The illusionist is performing a trick called frame-flipping. He produces a device called a woke ideologue that the audience is supposed to train their attention on. The illusionist has two other devices, a drag queen that has gained some mainstream audience acceptance, and “face” comedy, a once accepted artform that has now fallen into disrepute.
While the audience has their eyes on “woke ideologue” prop, the illusionist flips the positions of respectability back on face comedy and makes drag the reviled form of entertainment.
That’s how the trick works.
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Drag would be “evil” if it were entirely and specifically about demeaning women. And yes, some people do see it that way. But plenty of people see drag as a way of embracing the feminine rather than rejecting it or displaying it as “lesser” than the masculine.
Blackface was and still is largely about demeaning Black people and/or denying Black people the right to portray themselves on stage and screen. In some cases, blackface is about using the gimmick to mock the ignorance of white people (e.g., Soul Man), though such attempts don’t always comes off well enough to justify its use. And even when it does come off well (e.g., Tropic Thunder), blackface is still widely seen as something Not Cool™ because white people can wipe off makeup but Black people can’t wipe off their skin color.
Althought I respect drag performers of all genders, drag isn’t really my thing. But I’ve never watched a drag queen performance and thought “man, this is really fucked up and wrong” like I have whenever I’ve seen damn near anyone performing in blackface.
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Simple minds lack the means to understand nuance and context which is why they find the above “weird”. When you grow up perhaps you’ll understand.
Re: Re: Re:2 Space Roach theory of language
Right now there’s a pretty active comments section on George Lakoff’s FrameLab Substack on what do people believe “woke” means.
There’s not a consensus definition on what “woke” means right now in 2022. The only broad agreement is:
1. The term is of Black origin.
2. It’s an awareness of racism.
3. Today it’s perceived as pejorative.
I offered a tongue-in-cheek explanation on how a shared sense of meaning of “woke” had collapsed. I called it the Space Roach theory of language.
It’s named after the archvillain in the first Men in Black film — a cockroach-like alien who after crash-landing on Earth kills a farmer by eating everything from the flesh inside and wearing the farmer’s skin as a disguise.
The rightwing approach to “woke” is to take the original meaning and intention of the word — a Black warning to be aware of racism — and devour them because it points to a dark truth that reveals the shame and guilt of being beneficiaries of racism. Instead, the rightwing substitutes its own idea of racism but uses the spelling and pronunciation of “woke” as semantic skin.
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*2023
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The moderation staff at Twitter were all woke ideologues, from Yoel Roth on down.
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…said nobpdy mentally competent, ever.
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That a comment like this is suppressed at Techdirt and hidden/”flagged” by the “community” says a lot about TD’s hardcore commentators (and none of it positive).
I can understand flagging comments that are obscene or profanity-laced, but this comments simply expresses a reasonable viewpoint that contradicts the perspectives of many liberal/woke tech aficionados.
Truly ironic that Masnick styles himself as a free speech warrior when contrarian commentators on his own blog have their speech suppressed for not echoing his pro-censorship line.
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What it says is that people here recognize the bigot Hyman Rosen from his constant bigotry postings, and are presenting to him some consequences for his actions.
It’s sad that you don’t believe in the marketplace of ideas and are such a snowflake that you have to complain when the marketplace rejects your bigotry.
There is no “pro-censorship” going on here. There is strong support for private property rights and free speech including speech that tells Hyman he’s a bigoted asshole that people dislike. But his speech is still allowed. He is free to say what he wants, and we are free to indicate our rejection of his bigotry.
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..said nobody not irredeemable garbage, ever.
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Hey, Hyman: What’s stopping that asshole from reposting their speech anywhere else on the Internet?
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That wasn’t me you’re quoting. But as always, censorship is the act of the censor, silencing speech based on viewpoint on platforms the censor controls. The ability of the silenced to speak elsewhere is irrelevant. Someone who claims to support freedom of speech but censors opinions based on viewpoint is a liar.
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Litigating “freedom of speech” in this manner is moral hostage-taking.
Usually, the offender says something that a platform doesn’t want to present or an audience doesn’t want to hear. Invoking “free speech” gives the offender leverage over the platform and the audience to compromise their values and obligate them to listen to someone they wouldn’t otherwise without duress.
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…said nobody literate, ever.
So you admit you’re a liar.
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Free speech means you can try to attract your own audience, it does not mean that you can demand that other people provide you with a platform and audience. Demanding that you can speak on whatever platform you want to use shows you are really anti free speech, as you want to force conversation to take the direction you want them to go.
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A private platform is under no obligation to accede to anyone’s demands to host speech. But in a society in which freedom of speech is a foundational value, large private generic speech platforms ought not to silence opinions based on viewpoint. If they do, they should be criticized, shamed, or bought to get them to change. At the very least, they should be mocked if they claim to support free speech when they do not, with the understanding that it is not supportive of free speech to use their own free speech rights to deny speech to others.
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If they accede to your demands, they will not remain large platforms for long; witness the way that Twitter has lost advertisers, and therefore the income to remain a large platform.
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It’s amazing how you invent word-salads in an effort to present you “argument”. If you have to be that dishonest, then you know that you have no argument. And if you don’t understand that, ie you lack even the tiniest bit of self reflection, you are just another delusional asswipe.
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So, Hyman.
What part of “stop being transphobic” and “stop being a white supremacist” did you not get?
And again, per YOUR own admission, you were banned for not following the rules from those fine websites.
You certainly aren’t “contrarian” by any means.
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It is not “planephobic” to point out that the Earth is not flat, and it is not “transphobic” to point out that men can never become women nor women men.
It is not white-supremacist to report accurate statistics about Black crime.
Woke ideologues believe that it is essential to deny reality if reality refuses to support their false and dangerous ideas. They should not be permitted to force people who know better to affirm those lies.
The same applies to conservative ideologues. Gods do not exist. People should be able to have any romantic or sexual partners who they want and who will have them. It is the job of government to care for its citizens.
I get banned because I like arguing against false but prevalent beliefs in the discussions in which I participate.
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…said nobody honest, ever.
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It is racist, however, to use that argument while also ignoring how white-on-white crime statistics are equally proportionate and that most crime is intraracial rather than interracial. You’re painting Black people as a criminal monolith—as an underclass of people whose very existence is, was, and always will be plagued by an inherent and nigh-inescapable pull to criminality—and refusing to examine the dominant racial group with the same critical eye because doing so won’t help your racist-ass argument.
Republicans deny the reality of unchecked and unregulated capitalism doing serious damage to society because reality refuses to support the false and dangerous ideas of “trickle-down economics” and “not taxing the rich is a good thing”. Does that make them “woke”?
The GOP wants to decide your gender, sexuality, and pronouns for you—and enforce that decision by law if possible/necessary. The GOP also wants to decide what you do with your own body, and how, and why, and when, and with whom you do it. What does that sound like to you: a government that cares for its citizens or an overly paternalistic form of fascism that cares only for the desires of the people in power?
Your problem is that for all your bluster about conservative ideologues, you’re on their side more often than not. The GOP is the party that keeps passing laws trying to outlaw the teaching of evolution (or have religious mythology taught as scientific theory), the public existence of queer people, the right of bodily autonomy for women (e.g., abortion bans), and factual historical information that conservatives don’t want children to learn. The GOP does all the censorship you refuse to condemn because, for all your proclamations about liberals feeling this way, you have shown yourself to take absolutely no issue with conservative-led censorship because you agree with it on every level. This is why people keep saying “every accusation, a confession”: Every time a conservative accuses a liberal/progressive of doing something morally heinous, chances are that the conservatives are confessing at least a desire to do the same thing (if not worse) should they have the power to make those wishes come true. I mean, when was the last time you heard about a liberal/progressive lawmaker trying to do—and succeeding at doing!—anything on the level of what Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida in re: his “anti-woke” laws and the consequences thereof? I don’t see Democrats pushing to have female student athletes report their menstrual data as a mandatory part of signing up to play sports or trying to deny women the right to have an abortion or trying to eliminate diversity initiatives or bring back mandatory Christian prayers in schools or ban a book about a baseball player because it mentions the discrimination he faced. That’s all from the GOP—and I guarantee it’s only going to get worse from here on out.
You whine about “woke ideologists”, but you fail to condemn—and sometimes you even celebrate—conservative ideologists. We get it, Hyman: You’re so consumed by your hatred and fear for queer people and people of color that you’ve become a self-loathing dickface who isn’t even accepted by the shitpits that would ordinarily welcome your kind of asshole into the fold. Do the world a favor and go live in the forest for the rest of your life so you’ll never have to worry about Black people performing at the Super Bowl and trans people existing in public ever again.
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If you have two populations, A and B, that each are responsible for committing 50% of crime, yet due solely to bigotry you devote 80% of your crime-fighting efforts against group B and 20% against group A, you could say that group B makes up 80% of the criminals you caught.
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It’s a point that has been refuted a thousand times here alone, and there is still no evidence for its accuracy. As such, such claims are hidden on the grounds that they offer nothing to the conversation, which is standard practice here.
When the same undemonstrated and apparently false thing gets repeated over and over and over again without anything new, it’s going to get hidden.
Thanks, Hyman.
At first...
…people thought Musk was Tony Stark.
Then, maybe, Lex Luthor.
Now it looks like he’s the MCU version of Justin Hammer….
How very conservative of him
It’s so very in character for someone like that to believe that they are owed not just free speech but free reach, where being able to speak matters less than how many people have to or care to listen to them.
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I’d not call Twitter “free reach” for Musk. He’s paying quite a lot while still not getting the reach some twerking hipster can muster while getting paid for it.
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Hence the tantrum noted in the article as what he seems to have expected to happen once he owned the company and could say and do whatever he wanted is clashing with what is actually happening, much to his displeasure.
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Well, the funny thing is that he already could say what he wanted on Twitter before buying it. But his popularity was less than fabulous. It was a reasonable expectation that buying it and commanding all the engineers should lead to larger retweet numbers: it’s not like there’d be a paper trail, or anybody would order a recount. Good training for election workers.
What do you expect from a Neo Maxi Zoom Dweebie?
When I was living in Pretoria I had friends who went to PBH with Elon. They all said that that was exactly what he was 😛
None
Elon Musk is his own scifi show. <– Opinion Alert
He’s alienated everyone but his weirdest fans, the left hates him for reinstating the worst people, the political hitpieces and the mass layoffs, the right hate him for applying any rules at all and not boosting their content to the top of every feed and centrists hate him for the right wing content that is boosted and the site becoming unreliable.
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hey be careful about burning your chance to work at twitter.
/s
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Work there? Pff. With my lack of tech savvy, sub par people skills and eratic behaviour, I could own the company! I just need a daddy with an emerald mine and a bunch of Saudi money.
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Wait a little longer, you’ll be able to buy the burned-out husk of whatever’s left of Twitter for less than a Starbucks pumpkin spiced latte ;p
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As another user wrote, “A recurring theme on TechDirt is about how companies fail and mistreat their users trying to placate Wall Street by maintaining steady growth quarter over quarter, and how this is a bad way to run a company.
But Elon Musk has owned Twitter for only one quarter, yet the other steady recurring drumbeat on TechDirt is how he has failed in running the company.
It’s not difficult to believe that TechDirt is attacking Musk because Musk has deprived woke ideologues (who are only too real, despite MM’s use of scare quotes) of the viewpoint-based censorship that Twitter formerly provided for them. Perhaps new Twitter really will fail, perhaps it won’t, but the hatred from the woke ideologues would still be there regardless of how Twitter was managed.”
I agree. Mike Masnick has a seemingly pathological dislike of Musk that’s compromised TechDirt’s ability to report objectively on Twitter. Very sad to see this decline here.
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I don’t see how that’s true, unless you believe that every other outlet reporting on Musk’s erratic behavior in re: running Twitter also has a pathological dislike of Musk instead of a desire to, y’know, report newsworthy stories about one of the biggest social media services in the world.
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I find these kinds of claims quite laughable. I have no feelings towards Musk at all. I am reporting, as I always have done, on issues related to the internet and speech. I have long called out lots of people for doing stupid things, which has little to do with my personal feelings towards those people.
I’ve made it quite clear all along that I was impressed with Musk’s ability to accomplish things with rockets and cars. Despite what others are saying in these comments, I think he is an impressive innovator who was able to push beyond the barriers that others were unable to go through, and that’s incredibly commendable. Especially in the EV market, I think he pushed it forward by decades, in proving that it could work, and now others are finally flooding into the market only because he proved you could make a popular, mass market, EV.
I think that’s great.
But, if there’s one thing I have some pretty deep familiarity with, it’s what does and does not work in running a social media platform, and what kinds of mistakes that one can make. My reporting on him is not driven by any underlying issues, but the facts of what he’s doing. Should he turn around and figure this out and make things work, I’ll be the first to note that as well. I’d like Twitter to survive and thrive.
But, I’m going to report on what happens either way, and express my opinion of it either way, because that’s what I’ve always done.
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You very clearly hate Musk on a personal level. You’ve toned the the vitriol down a bit lately — which is commendable, you’re responsive to criticism — but now it manifests as you smearing him over what amounts to petty gossip or over pente ante business decisions you disagree with but which he almost certainly knows better than you. (I shouldn’t say “personal” but it is deeply emotional, probably based on him taking your favorite view-point filter machine away. Lots of leftists feel the same.)
You really should stop writing about him every day, it’s not healthy for you or your reputation.
No, you don’t, actually. You have decades of “experience” writing opinions about SM (in a jumble with many other subjects) as an uninvested observer with no skin in the game and no penalty for being wrong.
No one would, or should, hire you as a consultant on how to run their SM business — which no, doesn’t include the comment section on some blog, anyway. (I’m aware people pay you to consult on…..something, but there are a lot of dumb people in Silicon valley and I suspect they’re really paying you to reflect their incestuous opinions back at them)
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…and you keep saying “I’m not a Musk fan”. 🙃
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Broski, if you think the Musk criticism on Techdirt is bad you should man up and sign in on Ars Technica. You’re going to get fucking savaged there.
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There’s only so many hours in a day, can’t tell everyone on the internet why they’re wrong.
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I haven’t seen a single instance of you telling somebody why they are wrong?
It’s always just you getting into a hissy fit because Mike hurt you feelz when he wrote another article of your idol Elmo.
But other than that, ABSOLUTELY ZERO SUBSTANCE!
You’re a nobody and a nothing. Deal with it like an adult.
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2×0=0
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Or, here’s an easier explanation – you’d get so destroyed, they’d have to use your face as a visual example next to the word “owned” in the dictionary.
You’re shooting for fish in an empty barrel, thinking that you’re the king of the world while putting your foot under your shotgun.
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You haven’t actually told anyone why they’re wrong; it’s all just assertions, often pretty vague ones at that, but not necessarily. On the rare case you cite something, it doesn’t support your claim, and you generally fail to articulate why you think they might support your point.
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At this point it’s no longer even a question that Mike’s pathological obsession with hating Musk has led him to undermine Tech Dirt’s objectivity and cover Twitter in an extremely problematic and unseemly manner.
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Reporting the facts as presented is ‘extremely problematic and unseemly’ now is it, it never ceases to amuse the mental gymnastics Musk fans have to take to defend him from criticism.
Re: Snaptinkletinkletinkle
That’s the sound of you clutching your pearls so hard, you broke the necklace.
So go pick your little balls and go home, like a good little boy.
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Don’t like that TD is writing about Musk’s failings?
Then you’ll really hate the news coverage of it:
https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2p6bnJqTkJoRlBiemZiR2tfa0RpZ0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
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Techdirt has never been an “objective” platform for news. (Hell, no news platform is 100% objective.) It’s always been an opinion blog. If you don’t like this site’s opinions and the best comment you can post in disagreement is the one you posted, stop reading the blog. You don’t have to punish yourself by reading sites you hate. I don’t go around reading Fox News’s website, and I hope that network dies a brief-yet-satisfying death when its time finally comes.
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Check out OAN some time. I mean, the articles are sort of what you’d expect. It’s the comment section that is actually stomach-churning.
I mean, TechDirt’s comment section is also more of a showcase than its articles are.
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…projected nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
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I have yet to see any decent evidence of that. Pretty much everything I’ve seen has been pretty par for the course for Mike.
"Today, he’s at a score of nine."
Who’da thunk nobody would want to look up an egomaniacal idiot? Hahahaha.. Hahahahaha!!!!
What’sa matter, Musk, can’t fire me??
Too perfect
This story sounds way too perfect to be true. Earlier versions of the story have the engineer saying “people just don’t like you”
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What earlier stories? Are you confusing this story with the other stories about engineers that Musk fired?
Just a heads-up that the proper usage is “deep-seated,” not “deep-seeded.” It’s a common mistake! https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/deep-seated-deep-seeded-usage
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Just a heads-up that such an incorrect but plausible usage is known as an “eggcorn” (itself an eggcorn for acorn, because acorns can be seen as egg-shaped and have a pattern reminiscent of the kernels on an ear of corn).
As much as Elon Musk and his ilk love to whine about snowflakes ruining everything, Musk himself is a picture-perfect example of an oversensitive snowflake. Someone has political views you don’t like? They can’t be allowed to be on the Internet! Enough people aren’t looking at his tweets (many people, but not enough people!)? MAKE them read his tweets! Someone disagrees with him, or even points out that Musk did something bad? Punishment! Punishment! Every punishment we can manage!
But of course, I doubt he actually cares that he’s a hypocrite – as long as it brought him continuing money and power, all was well for him. But now, both his wealth and his social standing are in jeopardy, and clearly the little people must be shown the consequences for their “lack of vision”.
Expect more occasional tantrums when public opinion doesn’t rally behind Musk and his every idea.
Canceled man syndrome
‘Canceled man syndrome’ is too useful a theory not to be true.
Is that why phone kept spamming me with Elon’s tweets?
Of all the accounts I follow on Twitter, only Elon’s would ping my phone, and I have no idea why.
Easy solution is I just unfollowed him. I clicked follow back before I knew better. 🙂
Hey Matty,
Assuming you’re given the benefit of the doubt and you have a wife and kids, do they know that instead of being the solid rock of the nuclear family unit, you’re instead kissing the footprints of a multibillionaire who cares naught for your existence, by railing on a website at random nobodies?
That’s going to be your legacy, for someone dumb enough to use their actual name (again, another benefit of the doubt). Someone who sacked his own interpersonal family relationships just to win some fucknugget fantasy football league in his head. Your wife should seriously start evaluating her position in your life because you seriously spend more time thinking about Musk and Chozen than her, and if there’s one thing women don’t like it’s being NTRed.
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