Texas Legislators Think Drones Armed With Tasers And Pepper Spray Will Stop School Shootings

from the whatever-helps-kill-us-makes-us-stronger? dept

In the only country in the world where this sort of violence happens frequently enough it’s become a despairing meme, legislators continue to ignore the obvious solutions in favor of throwing money at esoteric options that won’t stop Americans from entering schools to murder children en masse.

In Texas, this problem hits home harder. Not only does the state do everything it can to encourage gun ownership, it is also home to one of the more devastating school shootings in recent history — one in which Uvalde, Texas police officers rushed to the scene of school shooting only to spend nearly 90 minutes doing nothing about it.

The simple answer would be stricter gun control laws. But no Texan legislator is willing to do that, not if they expect to be re-elected. And there are plenty of people who claim the Second Amendment is the best amendment, because arming citizens means the government will be too scared to engage in overreach lest it get [checks notes] shot the fuck up.

In reality, most Second Amendment enthusiasts aren’t arming themselves to prevent the government from being overtaken by authoritarians. After all, they voted for Trump at least twice, and he’s the kind of autocrat their window decals have warned against. Most exercises of the Second Amendment are purely performative — “rolling coal” but it’s dudes in camo walking through Walmarts strapped with AR-15s.

And, given recent election results, perhaps now is not the time to start asking questions about the Second Amendment, not when the inbound president has said stuff that might make us genuinely concerned about our Third Amendment rights.

But it’s all just stupidity. You can either try to implement even the most minimal control over firearms sales and purchases. Or you can do whatever the fuck this bullshit is, as reported by Edward McKinley for the San Antonio Express-News.

Texas public schools could be guarded by drones armed with pepper spray or Tasers under a new bill filed in the Texas Legislature meant to beef up school security. 

The measure would boost funding for safety upgrades and let schools deploy drones in place of the armed guards that lawmakers required on every campus in response to the Uvalde school shooting. Districts have said they don’t have the money to make those hires, and Hearst Newspaper previously found many haven’t complied or have instead armed teachers.

Normal people will obviously ask questions about this proposal. Non-normal people are the ones who won’t ask questions, because it doesn’t threaten their “right” to own guns. But it is completely asinine for multiple reasons.

First of all, pepper spray is not something that can be safely deployed from a distance. It’s aerosolized, which means anyone in the area can be negatively affected, even if the intent is to disable an armed suspect. It has to be deployed up close and directly at the eyes/nasal passages of the target. Unless the drones are going to zooming down to eye level with incoming school shooters, this method has as much potential to harm innocent students and teachers as it has to incapacitate a threat.

Tasers are no better. Closer is better and even Taser maker Axon — or at least its board of ethics — has already objected to mounting Tasers on drones. Of course, none of that objection really matters. The entire Axon ethics board resigned following the company’s announcement it would pursue this option, only to see the company acquire a drone manufacturer that does frequent business with the US Department of Defense.

But even if the tech aligns, it’s still a bad idea. Tasers are not precision weapons. They do their best at close range and, even then, they’re not guaranteed to incapacitate. Firing Taser darts at a moving target from a moving object isn’t a recipe for success.

All in all, it’s about as stupid as thinking the solution is arming teachers. Teachers should not be expected to do the work of trained law enforcement. And teachers should never be expected to consider trading fire with school shooters a part of their job description. Again, the problem is the easy access to weapons, not the lack of defensive options. If anything, dumbass legislators should be advocating for arming students. After all, there are far more students than teachers and surely the presence of 30 or so “good guys with guns” in any classroom would be a significant deterrent to school shootings.

Despite the absolute lack of anything indicating arming drones this way will result in fewer school shootings, government contractors are encouraged by the willingness of legislators to throw money at bad ideas. Mithril Defense has already posted its own opening for an aspiring person who’s apparently going to get paid only a commission for talking more legislators into buying more drones, Tasers, and drone-mounted pepper sprayers.

This CV (of sorts) is inadvertently hilarious:

Our team includes a former Navy SEAL team SIX Command Master Chief, a serial tech entrepreneur, the #1 American drone pilot on ESPN, and various technical teams.

If there’s anything worse for anything than a “serial tech entrepreneur,” I’ve never met it. And despite the presence of SEAL Team Six and ESPN in the write-up, I’m far more interested in the makeup of the “various technical teams.” Keep in mind, this is an hourly position with “upside based on success.” To those interested, I would assume this means minimum wage and an immediate culling from the “advocacy group” once Mithril Defense secures a government contract.

Perhaps the best slam is inadvertent. Here’s how the San Antonio paper describes the company:

Employees for the company, which appears to be named after a magical silver-colored metal from “Lord of the Rings…”

And it would appear the “serial tech entrepreneur” is its founder, Justin Marston, whose LinkedIn profile shows he’s never been able to make anything go ever.

NONETHELESS, Texas legislators — led by Rep. Ryan Guillen — think this is what will solve our school shooting problem.

Guillen’s bill says the drones would be armed with “less lethal interdiction capability by means of air-based irritant delivery or other mechanisms,” and it would require one drone for every 200 students. 

lol

Just flying around in the air dispensing “air-based irritants” like it’s not going to “irritate” the people it’s supposed to be saving far more often than it’s preventing school shootings. And, if I’m doing the math right, this means the state’s educational facilities need to acquire nearly 26,000 drones to comply with the law. And only Guillen knows why one-drone-per-200-students is the appropriate ratio to prevent school shootings, but that’s what he and his supporters are going with.

Not that schools are getting fucked entirely. A state that can’t seem to get behind school funding in any meaningful way will perhaps be talked into funding schools in the most meaningless way. Guillen’s bill amps up per student funding from $10/per to $100/per… but only if that extra money is spent on “hardening campuses, hiring security guards, or starting a drone program.” There will be no educational advantage here. Instead, students will see that extra money being spent on surrounding them with weapons that aren’t actually guns but are allegedly going to protect them from actual guns.

This is dumb stuff that ignores the real issue. It’s not going to save any students from school shooters. But, if implemented, it will cost Texas millions of dollars in the furtherance of nothing more than respecting their right to head out on a shopping trip with a load out that might seem excessive in Call of Duty multi-player. God Bless America.

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BernardoVerda (profile) says:

Re: That was my first thought, too

“What could possibly go wrong?”
/s

I don’t think these legislators are actually focused on student safety, but rather, on potential media coverage about them appearing to be “doing something” about the problem.

It’s interesting that legislators can do this without actually thinking — but I guess that’s the state of both politics and mainstream journalism these days.

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jimb (profile) says:

Are guns allowed...

Are guns allowed on the floor of the Texas legislature, and in the Texas capitol building? Because it would seem to me the height of hypocrisy to not allow then there, when in so many other places throughout Texas guns are freely allowed. Perhaps the better solution is to do something about the guns? Just asking the question…

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Anonymous Coward says:

So, the next student homework will be:
Using only drones, robots, satellites, artificial intelligence, quantum physics, containerization, cryptocurrencies and two others buzzwords of your choice, describe a solution to prevent a bad person to kill good people.
This solution must cost less than $10k a year for all US schools.
You cannot use fire ball scrolls, unicorns or invisible gnomes.
You’ve got two hours.

Anonymous Coward says:

28,000 drones in the air during school hours will create an interesting air traffic control problem — how to keep them from colliding with the Amazon delivery drones, the drones used to identify speeding cars, the drones flown by the kids being protected… Drones require ground stations for recharging and maintenance; lots of infrastructure to be built. And what about the pilots/operators, or are we going to depend upon AI to identify the prospective shooters? With that many drones in the air, it won’t take long to collect enough samples of the encrypted radio commands for a couple of savvy students to crack the encryption and reroute a few drones to cause school to be shut down, probably every day. Texas seems to elect an above average number of idiots to government office…

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Don’t be surprised – LinkedIn has devolved into another social platform for scammers and grifters, just with a “Facebook for business” stamp of approval.

It’s no shock that the platform is where cryptobros and “serial entrepreneurs” have weaseled themselves into the ecosystem by picking the right sort of vocabulary, or just hoping that other users aren’t observant.

Credibility can be purchased – or faked. To a point, but then after that point, people might not even care that it’s inauthentic.

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freakanatcha (profile) says:

Texas, you be you...

Seeing how pepper spray couldn’t stop a fight between the Michigan and Ohio State football players, I’m a little skeptical it would deter a lunatic with an AR-15.

…and another thing: what effect would being accidentaly tasered have on a 7 yr old with a heart condition?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Much like a 70 year old with a heart condition, I imagine. Also much like a 30 year old with an insulin pump, a 14 year old with asthma, ….

But you’re okay against the 17 year old freaking out on PCP, he’ll stay up against several taser hits. Mind, the involuntary muscle contractions may cause several uncontrolled bursts from the machine gun he’s holding, but he’d survive the taser…

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: When 'Less-than-lethal' requires a MASH title's worth of exceptions

As someone who carried a rescue inhaler when I was in school and still does in fact(thanks COVID) I’d put good odds that pepper spray wouldn’t have ‘incapacitated’ me at the time it would have hospitalized me if I was lucky, so I suppose it’s a good thing that no students in texas have similar breathing problems and that even if they did pepper spray is a pin-point accurate weapon that will only hit the person you’re aiming at.

That One Guy (profile) says:

'What do all these shootings have in common? That's right, anything BUT guns!'

US Politicians: Something must be done to stop this rampant wave of school shootings! … so long as that something does not in any way impact gun ownership and sales, or even suggest that mental health should maybe possibly be prioritized because eww socialism.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

Even treating a symptom (easy availability of guns that cause mass casualties in seconds) rather than the root cause (social/economic/mental health issues) of the “disease” (school shootings) would be better than leaving it up to God, which is pretty much what Republicans want to do. Hell, the religious whackjobs amongst that group sincerely believe the act of putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom nationwide will somehow prevent school shootings from ever taking place.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Republicans: Every life is sacred and if the bodily autonomy of pregnant people needs to be violated to protect that life then that’s an acceptable sacrifice!

Also Republicans: School shootings are just a fact of life, and if the price of me being able to own my own armory’s worth of firearms and easily expand it upon my whims is a bunch of kids being gunned down on the regular then that’s price that I’m willing to have them pay.

Hell, the religious whackjobs amongst that group sincerely believe the act of putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom nationwide will somehow prevent school shootings from ever taking place.

To be fair it is a solid expectation, I mean anyone who’s even remotely familiar with the book can tell you that once the ten commandments were passed down violence was a thing of the past for those that followed them, so clearly even looking at the (wrong set of) ten commandments would be enough to stop a school shooter in their tracks.

Teka says:

Re:

I see what you’re trying to do, but any such automagical solution would be generating almost continual false positives until the principals or the teacher stuck doing door duty (for no extra pay while it cuts into their limited prep time) wedges the doors open at both ends and muffles the emergency klaxon with a mitten from lost&found.

Above and beyond that, retrofitting these magic hallways would end up being a multi-million dollar renovation project at every single campus before you are even talking about the technology that does not really exist.

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Phillip (profile) says:

Re:

guess who doesn’t have plenty of school shootings? the rest of the world… It really doesn’t matter if one state or town makes owning guns a little harder when you can just go a little bit further to easily get whatever you want. Just look at fireworks. plenty of states ban them so fireworks stores setup on the border to sell fireworks to the people from those states more easily.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

I just need to point out how crazy this one bit is

not when the inbound president has said stuff that might make us genuinely concerned about our Third Amendment rights.

A reminder of what the 3rd Amendment is:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

In other words, nobody can force a homeowner to keep any soldier(s) in their home during peacetime at all, and only according to the law during wartime.

For context, the Third Amendment is one of the least cited sections of the Constitution, and it has never been the primary basis for any Supreme Court decision. It has almost never come up. The idea that we should be worried about it is almost unprecedented.

Anonymous Coward says:

All of this is stupid

While I agree that this proposal is stupid for multiple reasons, I also believe that the notion that the gun is the source of the problem is stupid. The source of the problem is mental health, if people were mentally stable, they wouldn’t make decisions like going to shoot up a school in the first place. Your assertion that schools are forcing teachers to be classroom defenders is off base as well, teachers are allowed to carry and defend their classrooms if licensed and trained, but this is not something forced on them.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

So this gives you a two options.

Either Americans are mentally ill with violent tendencies at incredibly higher rates than everyone else in the world.

Or its the easy access to guns. Because of course it doesn’t matter if you are “mentally ill” or not if YOU CANT GET A GUN.

So which would you prefer?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Why not both? We can’t even be bothered to give a shit about physical healthcare for the people, let alone mental healthcare. Our whole country is “every man for himself, if you fall along the way, please crawl into a ditch and die quietly.”

Since 1980, our country’s fiscal policy has effectively been “there’s no such thing as society anyway.”

But yeah. If we spent the next century cracking down on guns, and managed to do something about the fact that there are more of them here than people, we might be able to sculpt a new feudal society in which we can throw away the vulnerable while also minimizing the various symptoms of oppression and poverty.

The truth of the matter is that a lot of Americans are violently sick in the head, and that’s an intentional design decision.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Either Americans are mentally ill with violent tendencies at incredibly higher rates than everyone else in the world.

It’s obviously this. After all, Switzerland doesn’t require a permit for firearms ownership, but it also has universal healthcare because insurance coverage is mandatory for the companies. That’s why a country with a higher rate of firearms ownership per capita than the US also has a far lower average of school shootings (I’ve never read of any occurring there).

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Mamba (profile) says:

Re:

That is a trite saying that is of no use.

Also, the very same people who want no gun control laws, also want no public mental healthcare.

And yes. Arming teacher is catastrophically dumb and only appeals to people who are wildly ignorant and undertrained. If you’ve done any force in force training in dynamic environments you’d know that putting a gun in the hand of someone who is undertrained, and then add a bunch of kids to the mix, is quite possibly the dumbest fucking solution out of all the possible dumbfuck ideas.

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Dr. David T. Macknet, PhD (profile) says:

Pepper Spray + Powerful Fans?

So, if you mount pepper spray on a thing with fans, where’s it going to go? I guess they could use the props to sort of waft the spray towards their target? I’m picturing a maneuver similar to a dragonfly laying eggs – sweep forward, deploy the spray while being pushed backwards, repeat?

Anonymous Coward says:

I’m trying to figure out how such drones would align with school policy where I am — where, if an active shooter incident is called, ALL DOORS close. How are these drones supposed to open the doors to get into the same zone as the active shooter?

And beyond that, how are they supposed to get out of their locked cabinet in the first place, since staff will be under lockdown?

At least… I ASSUME the drone will be in a locked cabinet. Because otherwise, it will be at some student or teacher’s home when needed, not at school.

At schools in my area, drones are not allowed. Period. Neither are tasers or pepper spray. Or firearms for that matter, unless they’ve got plugged/locked barrels and trigger and no ammunition.

This drone idea would never fly, figuratively or literally.

n00bdragon (profile) says:

Not sure why this needed to turn into an extended screed about gun laws. The idiotic armed-drones thing is stupid enough to lambast on its own without tying it fanciful political hobby horses. This just alienates lots of potential allies you could be making.

The police don’t need more nonlethal ways to shoot people. They need less excuses to shoot people. Full stop. Period. Being pro-gun does not at all imply being pro cops flying “””””””non-lethal””””””” attack machines around schools.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Alienates potential allies?

…You mean the people who choose to consistently ignore the very clear and obvious conclusion that, hey, the unique problem the US has with portable, relatively lightweight, easy-to-use mass-death machines is the US’s unique policy that practically fucking anyone can obtain one with generally very little cost, hassle, and oversight?

Those people?

Fuck those people.
Personally, I’m sick of coddling the willfully ignorant.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

The police don’t need more nonlethal ways to shoot people. They need less excuses to shoot people. Full stop. Period.

This is ironic coming from a gun enthusiast. The possession of so many firearms by so many people is all the excuse any cop will ever need to shoot first. “I thought he had a gun,” has been used as an excuse for decades in many a police shooting of an innocent person.

You give them more excuses to shoot people. Full stop Period.

But this is a useless argument. Gun enthusiasts won when Scalia revised history with DC v Heller. You get to live with the consequences of your victory. You got what you want. Cops get their continued excuses. Nothing will ever change unless the gun possession rates go down significantly. That requires a massive cultural shift that isn’t going to happen overnight. Instead of attacking people who point out the problem, look to yourself.

n00bdragon (profile) says:

Re: Re:

You’re just conceding the point to the tHiN bLuE lInE people that police are justified in whipping out their guns all the time every time with no consequences or rationale. The mere possibility that guns could exist somewhere, even if they aren’t seen, is sufficient excuse to mow down the peasantry.

Nothing will ever change unless the gun possession rates go down significantly. That requires a massive cultural shift that isn’t going to happen overnight.

And until then we should all just accept that militarized police forces are a necessary evil? The beatings shootings will continue until morale improves gun ownership “sufficiently” declines? Maybe when we as a society finally enact that “massive cultural shift” and get around to outlawing murder, then we won’t even need police at all. Am I right?

I’m not trying to taunt you or score a “win” here. I’m genuinely trying to convince you to take your own advice. The problem with police flying armed drones around schools is not that Joe Blow has a shotgun in his closet or a pistol in his jacket. The problem is the police doing something which has no valid justification.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

You seem confused about the point I was making.

I am not conceding the point that the cops are justified in murdering people who might have a gun (and quite the contrary in fact). I’m recognizing the pattern that cops can just say they think someone might have gun, even if their body cam clearly shows that they don’t, and they’ll gun them down either way and the department and justice system will carry more water than an atmospheric river to protect the cops from responsibility. I’m observing that they often, frequently, get away with arbitrary murder and the gun enthusiasts enable that with their “everyone should have gun” bullshit. It coincides with the white supremacist perspective that cops give a lot more leeway to white gun owners than gun owners of color. White guys with guns have been recorded on body cam footage having the grace of god given to them with multiple opportunities to de-escalate and surrender, whereas there’s incidents of children of color with BB guns getting shot within 13 seconds of police arrival on the scene.

We shouldn’t accept militarized police forces as a necessary evil. We should oppose them with every fiber of our being. But we should also recognize them post Heller decision as a natural consequence of the gun enthusiasts insisting on an ahistorical bullshit justification for any gun for anyone anywhere as the purpose of a constitutional amendment that was written to provide the states that had no standing armies with a force of armed citizens able to be summoned to defend the state against the exact type of gun enthusiasts who insist their firearms should give them the power to intimate their neighbors into submission based on the immoral weight of violence and the threat thereof.

Bilateralrope (profile) says:

Lets say this works exactly as some people think it will. The drone avoids being shot down, then manages to non-lethally take down the shooter.

What happens next ?

Does the drone disarm the shooter and handcuff him to a nearby railing ?

Does it keep shocking him until someone arrives with handcuffs or it runs out of power ?

If the shooter is tased once, then left alone because no humans will approach him, how long before he can resume shooting ?

Anonymous Coward says:

It would be cheaper to have security guards at every school entrance and to have automatic doors that lock once school lessons start it seems like drones are being used for any problem Texas is the most conservative state where pregnant women
are dying because they cannot get medical treatment if they are having a potential miscarriage
Theres no way they bring in gun control laws

Anonymous Coward says:

That the you same people who cry over armed thugs with badges having more and more freedom to murder civilians with impunity then also cry that only said thugs should ever have access to weapons is why you can never be taken seriously.

You say you don’t want the system one hour, but cry that you need system to be more powerful the next.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

And as I said, he has substituted the actual argument with something he invented in his head so he can spew shit at others he don’t agree with (see the reasoning here that always makes him “right”?).

What people are actually saying is that cops should have accountability and behave in a professional way – just like how most police forces in the western world actually function. Couple that with sane gun-control laws you have a combination that works, but for the US it’s going to take decades to fix the systemic problems the current system has produced.

And if you look deeper into what the clueless AC said, it implies that the only way to deal with thugs that has badges is to have guns of your own. Imagine how well that will work, typical reasoning from someone living in intellectually shallow waters.

Dumbass indeed.

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