Data Shows ‘Progressive’ Prosecution Policies Don’t Lead To Higher Crime Rates

from the if-you-don't-have-the-data,-then-you-just-have-to-keep-lying dept

Donald Trump and the politicians that either think like him, or think saying things like this might make him like them, continue to pretend major US cities are besieged by violent criminals. While there have been a few spikes in certain cities, for the most part, crime rates are returning to their normal, historic lows following aberrations generated by the once-in-a-lifetime worldwide pandemic.

These politicians don’t have the facts on their side. Fortunately for them, many of their supporters are way less interested in facts than they are in feelings, especially the feeling that anyone described as “progressive” is anti-American and that pretty much all crime in the US can be traced back to (1) minorities or (2) undocumented immigrants. These are the people who claim “facts don’t care about your feelings,” but when it comes to facts they don’t care for, they’re more than willing to let their feelings take control of the conversation.

They’re wrong in every case. And this report, compiled by the Brennan Center, isn’t going to change their minds. But for those of us who still care about facts, here’s another set of data points that makes it clear “progressive” prosecution policies neither hamstring police nor embolden criminals.

Previous research on this subject has, with some exceptions, found little to no relationship between the inauguration of a pro-reform prosecutor and a measurable increase in crime, even after using sophisticated statistical strategies.

Our analysis, described below, also finds no clear relationship between the pro-reform prosecutorial approach and the incidence of crime. Using data collected by the Council on Criminal Justice, we compared aggravated assault, larceny, and homicide trends in cities with pro-reform prosecutors to trends in cities without pro-reform prosecutors. Assault and larceny were selected because of their frequency, allowing clearer analysis, and because they are more likely to be affected by prosecutorial decision-making. Murder was chosen because of its seriousness and because those crimes spiked sharply during the first two years of the Covid-19 pandemic.

In terms of homicide rates, the data shows that if there’s any difference between progressive and “regular” prosecutors, it’s that cities with “progressive” prosecutors are seeing fewer homicides.

The Brennan Center freely admits it’s working with limited data — not because there isn’t a wealth of crime data available, but because the number of cities with “progressive prosecutors” (itself a term open to some interpretation) is extremely low in comparison to the number of cities overseen by prosecutors no one has ever labeled “progressive,” if they’ve ever bothered to label them at all.

Even when the contrast isn’t nearly as stark as it is in the homicide numbers, the data shows that, at worst, “progressive” prosecutors and policies aren’t resulting in abnormally high crime rates in comparison to other, less-progressive cities.

So, are these reform-minded prosecutors better or worse for large cities? The answer likely depends on far more than aggregate crime data. But what data is available shows some progressive prosecutors are presiding over some pretty impressive crime rate decreases, despite the vociferous protestations by those who believe any mild criminal justice reform must be to blame for whatever recent criminal act they saw covered on the evening news, or its nearest social media equivalent, Facebook.

Notably, the graphs show that crime trends in pro-reform prosecutor jurisdictions largely match those in their comparison groups. Where they do not match, they indicate lower crime rates in cities with pro-reform prosecutors. That is not what we would expect to see if, as some critics claim, jurisdictions with pro-reform prosecutors experience rising or higher crime. In Los Angeles, a pandemic-era rise and plateau in aggravated assault rates is mirrored by trends in the comparison group of cities — both before and after the inauguration of pro-reform prosecutor George Gascón. In Austin, the decline in larceny rates overseen by José Garza, another district attorney elected on a reform platform, outpaces that of the comparison group. And assault trends in Boston are particularly notable. Aggravated assault rates began to decline sharply in the first year of then–District Attorney Rachael Rollins’s administration and have remained significantly below 2018 rates since then, even after Rollins’s departure in 2022. No other city or combination of cities in our sample could match Boston’s steep drop in aggravated assaults.

Correlation is not causation and all of that, but what the Brennan Center points out is that progressive prosecution policies — like not spending time arresting and prosecuting people for low-level offenses like minor drug possession, unpaid tolls/parking tickets, and non-violent misdemeanors — has freed up prosecutors, police officers, and investigators to spend more time dealing with more serious and violent criminal acts. And that alone might explain why violent crime rates continue to drop in areas where prosecutorial discretion, diversion programs, and not turning local jails into debtors’ prisons have actually prioritized tackling the sort of crime most people think law enforcement should be focusing its resources on.

Like I said, this data won’t stop Trump and others from pretending any “liberal” city is crime-ridden wasteland. But it still matters for the rest of us, including those who live in these cities, who might be experiencing new historic lows in violent crime, even if they don’t actually agree with the prosecutorial policies currently in place.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Notably, the graphs show that crime trends in pro-reform prosecutor jurisdictions largely match those in their comparison groups.

They also show that larceny, and for some reason murder, pretty consistently peak around September. What’s going on there? People stealing halloween candy, then getting murdered by shopkeepers?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

“Crime is often related to people being poor.”

Some of the worst crime is committed by those with vast resources, it is rarely prosecuted and commonly overlooked by the media.

Remember the 2007-2008 financial crisis? That was not caused by poor people. No one went to prison and yet huge crimes were committed. Many people suffered worldwide.

But yes, crime is a thing done by poor people.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

” the most common crime ”

Is the ‘most common crime’ a real problem? Someone stealing a loaf of bread is hardly the same as someone tanking the world economy. If one added up all the common larceny worldwide it would not come close to the level of damage being done by others more capable of real destruction.

Someone is shoplifting – Oh Noes!! Better turn this democracy into a dictatorship … that will show ’em huh.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

No, you’re the one erecting a strawman by ignoring the fact that grand larceny is a type of larceny, and one that is most often committed by rich people. Let’s also remember that under many states’ larceny statutes, larceny can include the taking of money, labor, or real or personal property, including waitstaff’s tips by restaurant managers/owners, who one would imagine are hardly hurting for money.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Correlation is not causation and all of that, but what the Brennan Center points out is that progressive prosecution policies — like not spending time arresting and prosecuting people for low-level offenses like minor drug possession, unpaid tolls/parking tickets, and non-violent misdemeanors — has freed up prosecutors, police officers, and investigators to spend more time dealing with more serious and violent criminal acts.

Surprise–author virulently opposed to law & order is happy when criminal behavior goes unchecked.

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Matthew N. "The GOAT" Bennett (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Dehumanizing your opponent isn’t a valid argumentative tactic. You either put up facts, admit you were wrong, or—and I know this is impossible for Techdirt users—simply don’t reply at all.

You don’t need a “well-cited academic thesis”, you just need literally anything resembling a coherent claim backed up with evidence. Children learn this in year four of primary school so it shouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility for you.

I’m not actually expecting anything back, I just think it’s funny that Toom knows 100% that he’s not smart enough to make any kind of coherent point so he just spends all day on Techdirt and Ars Technica shouting at people. Seriously, from morning til 3am my time he’s doing the same thing over and over. If you ignore his childish bullying and actually confront him he just digs his head in the sand and pretends you don’t exist. He’s a total coward and I think it’s hysterical.

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Dehumanizing your opponent isn’t a valid argumentative tactic.

You’re confused. A troll isn’t an opponent. This isn’t an argument. It’s a disingenuous troll using a strawman who is not looking for authentic discussion.

You’re sealioning. “Why aren’t you treating disrespectful, time-wasting trolls with the respect that an authentic, earnest person would warrant?”

you just need literally anything resembling a coherent claim backed up with evidence.

Strawmen don’t require a response, much less evidence when the strawman was presented without evidence. You’re asserting a double standard. And you know you’re doing it because you are also a troll.

I just think it’s funny that Toom knows 100% that he’s not smart enough to make any kind of coherent point so he just spends all day on Techdirt and Ars Technica shouting at people.

I think it’s funny that you’re laughing at other people when you’re a notable resident troll whose bullshit spewing on this website taints the discussions and lowers the standards for authentic dialogue. You’re shitting on the floor and then complaining that this place smells like shit.

Quid rides? Mutato nomine et de te fabula narrator.

Matthew N. "The GOAT" Bennett (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

You’re confused. A troll isn’t an opponent. This isn’t an argument. It’s a disingenuous troll using a strawman who is not looking for authentic discussion.

You’re sealioning. “Why aren’t you treating disrespectful, time-wasting trolls with the respect that an authentic, earnest person would warrant?”

If you guys actually have earnest debates here, I haven’t ever seen them in the almost three years I have been active on this site. Even when commenting as signed out I have been attacked for simply pointing out flaws I find in an article or a claim. Again, you’re dehumanizing your opponent instead of actually putting forth a credible argument. Your position(s) would look more legitimate if you could back them up instead of parroting talking points and attacking people.

Since I know you only learned what sealioning was from parroted talking points; I will leave you with this part from the original comic the term comes from that I want you to think about: “You made a statement in public for all to hear. Are you unable to defend the statements you make? Or simply unwilling to have a reasoned discussion?”

Strawmen don’t require a response, much less evidence when the strawman was presented without evidence. You’re asserting a double standard. And you know you’re doing it because you are also a troll.

Notably, you are responding, right now. Also, pointing out that Toom is a coward is not a strawman; any person can go through his Techdirt/AT comment history and see the same things I see.

I think it’s funny that you’re laughing at other people when you’re a notable resident troll whose bullshit spewing on this website taints the discussions and lowers the standards for authentic dialogue. You’re shitting on the floor and then complaining that this place smells like shit.

This place smelled long before I decided to come in and have a little bit of fun.

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

If you guys actually have earnest debates here, I haven’t ever seen them in the almost three years I have been active on this site.

Oh, I believe it. You stop in long enough to spew bullshit and head out. I’ve disagreed with Mike a number of times in the comments and other people will chime in with their takes. It’s just not done in a contrarian asshole manner so nobody gets defensive or rude. You probably wouldn’t recognize what a calm discussion looks like.

Again, you’re dehumanizing your opponent instead of actually putting forth a credible argument.

First, you’re sealioning here, as I’ve already pointed out. Second, you’re a hypocrite. You’ve used ad hominems and not argued in good faith. You’ve admitted to being a troll: “Nah I think making you mad is really funny…”

Your position(s) would look more legitimate if you could back them up instead of parroting talking points and attacking people.

You literally parrot talking points and attack people. And nobody cares what you think would look legitimate because you’re a troll who likes to make people angry. You’re not interested in authentic debate. Hell, even wanting debate is itself a red flag. It could just be a discussion but you don’t know how not to be a contrarian asshole.

Since I know you only learned what sealioning was from parroted talking points;

I’ve been using the term for years. I’m already familiar with the comic. You confuse people using the same term for parroting when it’s a useful term that describes your behavior well. You’re not going to shame me into not describing you accurately. You’re not as clever as you think you are. “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.”

I will leave you with this part from the original comic the term comes from that I want you to think about: “You made a statement in public for all to hear. Are you unable to defend the statements you make? Or simply unwilling to have a reasoned discussion?”

Holy fuck! You literally quoted the sealion unironically and didn’t understand that it was written to point out a disingenuous argument. This is a beautiful self-own.

Notably, you are responding, right now.

Two things can be true.

Also, pointing out that Toom is a coward is not a strawman;

I didn’t say that was. The strawman was the original comment to which Toom responded.

The AC asserted without evidence: “Surprise–author virulently opposed to law & order is happy when criminal behavior goes unchecked.”

any person can go through his Techdirt/AT comment history and see the same things I see.

And I can go through your comment history and see trolling and admission of trolling. But I don’t need to because I’ve been around long enough to see your comments the day you made them. It’s impossible to see what you write and confuse you for a person wanting an authentic interaction.

This place smelled long before I decided to come in and have a little bit of fun.

So you admit you’re trolling for fun. That’s all that you needed to say. It makes everything else you argue here moot.

But this place was fine before you showed up. I’ve been reading and commenting here for probably 15 years or so. You wouldn’t be missed if you left. And by staying, you’re only admitting that you’re hanging out in a place you don’t like when there’s no obligation to do so. So any injury is self-inflicted.

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Nah, I interacted with ol’ Blue back in the day. He was more absurd than annoying. He was a resident troll, but there was only one of him and not many other trolls. These days it seems like there are four or five regular trolls. Not to mention, Matt said he’s been around for 3 years and Blue hasn’t been seen in probably 10 years, so yeah, it was fine before Matt showed up.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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“when criminal behavior goes unchecked.”

Care to list what you think is the worst criminal behavior that go unchecked?

Some folk have told me that the US does not have a caste system and yet we categorize crime by the color of one’s collar.

The term racism falls a bit short when trying to define the US, it seems more like a caste or class system based upon race, income, location

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Citizen (profile) says:

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The courts and police do not have infinite resources. No matter what is done, some criminal behavior will go unchecked simply because the police can’t be everywhere at once. Those “virulently opposed to law & order” are of the opinion that going after serious crimes like arson and murder matters more than hauling a homeless guy in over a stolen water bottle and are refocusing police and court resources accordingly.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Hello?

It is possible you are missing context, perhaps re reading the comment chain would help.

Citizen: The courts and police do not have infinite resources. No matter what is done, some criminal behavior will go unchecked simply because the police can’t be everywhere at once.

Anon: It was death for selling cigs.

It was the police that killed the dude selling cigs. They were there .. killing. I thought that was crime, oh well.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'Facts don't care about your feelings! MY feelings on the other hand...'

These are the people who claim “facts don’t care about your feelings,” but when it comes to facts they don’t care for, they’re more than willing to let their feelings take control of the conversation.

For that crowd what is and is not factual and a part of reality depends not upon what can be observed, tested and measured, but on whether or not it aligns with what they already believe and want to believe.

For the alternative facts crowd reality isn’t real if it conflicts with what they want to believe and/or makes them feel bad, resulting in the mindset of ‘My feelings don’t care about your facts’.

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Koby (profile) says:

Re: Subject To Change

You need to be careful with some of these crime statistics. As a prominent example, the FBI earlier this month revised its 2022 national crime numbers upwards, from a 2.1% decrease in crime, to a 4.5% increase. A massive embarrassment. Some of these databases don’t capture the full extent of the activity for a few years, so measuring numbers from only months ago is risky business.

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Anonymous Coward says:

We’ve known for decades that conservative policies increase recidivism. We’ve known for decades that the American legal system produces some of the worst results in the developed world.

Just another piece of evidence for the pile. If the evidence on the pile mattered, we wouldn’t still be having these arguments to begin with.

ECA (profile) says:

Happening again.

The Biggest thing that adds to Crime, is NO JOBS and/or Not enough pay.

In all of this, how many Corps have been EVALUATED?
The last Big one was a State complaining Power prices werent fair. You Cant tell me that Everyone of the major corps are DOING their best by the consumers.
And with the Cut back of all the Fed/state agencies that monitor these things. You would think there would be More of it being FIXED.
Price fixing and Price controls, I dont look at the gov. first. Its like Tariff’s, were setup to Tax imported good that were the same as those created By the USA. Anything other was not taxed. (kinda means a Corp can ship wood to china to be made into products, and have same Goods beinbg made in USA, so that they can Claim the tariff/force a raise in prices.)

Mr. Natural (profile) says:

Not So Simple

It might be worth pointing out that the presence of a progressive/reform District Attorney is only one of many variables to consider when measuring the effectiveness of the criminal justice system in a given location.

One variable is the definition of effectiveness. Do you want to lock up people or do you want to try to rehabilitate them? Or, maybe there’s some other definition.

Are the courts and individual judges onboard with however you decide to define effectiveness?

Are the police onboard?

Are the governing bodies, city council/supervisors on board.

Is the public on board.

Are there social services available to deal with thousands of individuals who need learn how to live in the community without creating chaos.

Are there adequate drug rehabilitation services available.

Are there mental health services available.

This is much more complicated that who is the DA.

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