Elon Musk’s “Sorry, Twitter No Longer Exists” Defense Falls Flat Down Under

from the you-can't-touch-me-because-my-name-is-different dept

You know how little kids sometimes play a game where they claim they’ve changed their name, and you can no longer blame them for what they did under their previous name? You know how that never actually works? Well, about that… Elon seems to be trying a corporate version of that trick in Australia, and it has been just as successful.

It’s no secret that this year, Elon’s ExTwitter has been fighting with Australia over demands to remove content, but there was a separate fight, going back over a year, in which the Australian eSafety Commissioner was disappointed with ExTwitter’s processes for handling child sexual abuse material (CSAM) on the platform.

If you don’t recall, a few weeks after taking over the site, Elon claimed that fighting CSAM was his “priority #1.”

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And yet, he fired most of the trust and safety team, appeared to stop using industry-standard tools for finding/deleting known CSAM, and seemed to make the CSAM problem on ExTwitter much, much worse. That’s not even mentioning the time he reinstated an account that had shared an infamously horrid piece of CSAM because the poster was an Elon supporter.

Thus, a while back, the Australian eSafety Commissioner began an investigation into how the company was dealing with CSAM. Elon chose to not take it very seriously at all. From the eSafety Commissioner:

I assessed X Corp.’s response and identified 14 questions (many of which involved multiple sub-questions) where it failed to provide the information required by the Notice. In some instances X Corp. had failed to provide any response to the question, such as by leaving the boxes entirely blank. In other instances, X Corp. provided a response that was otherwise incomplete and/or inaccurate.

On 6 April 2023, my office sent follow-up questions to X Corp. to provide a further opportunity to provide the information required by the Notice. The correspondence stated that my office was seeking this information to assess whether X Corp. had complied with the Notice. 1 Service provider notification to X Corp. esafety.gov.au

On 5 May, X Corp. provided information in response to the follow-up questions. It is evident from many of X Corp.’s subsequent responses that it held information required by the Notice and was capable of providing that information at first instance.

Because of this, Australia fined ExTwitter $400k almost a year ago. After the fine was assessed, Elon fought back and appealed the ruling, continuing his standard “ignore first, fight it out in court later” approach to so many things.

He did so by claiming that the fine was for actions taken by “Twitter” (under his watch) but that “Twitter” no longer existed, because there was a different company called “X” that he now ran. So any demands for “Twitter” must be null and void, as X operated under a totally different set of laws.

Because Elon thinks he’s clever and that everyone else is very, very stupid.

To be clear, it’s a little more complicated here. Part of the argument was that since Twitter was a Delaware-based company, while X is a Nevada-based company, different laws apply under each state. But, the idea that this somehow absolved the company of having to deal with legal issues that began under the previous entity still seems like one of those tricks only a bratty schoolboy would try.

Turns out this didn’t work. I’m not sure what’s Australian for “not fucking impressed,” but I’d say that it applies to this judge.

 A central feature of this proceeding is that, on 15 March 2023, Twitter Inc merged into X Corp. Upon that occurring, Twitter Inc ceased to exist. These facts were not in dispute, as they were the subject of a statement of agreed facts that was received into evidence….

[….]

To adopt the language of the Nevada statute, Twitter Inc was a constituent entity that merged into X Corp. It was only upon that occurrence that Twitter Inc ceased to exist, and it was only its separate existence that ceased. X Corp’s “status” is as the surviving entity of a statutory merger, in which Twitter Inc was a constituent entity that merged into X Corp, with all of the legal consequences that ensue….

Then there was a separate argument that ExTwitter had made, basically arguing that under Australia’s Regulatory Powers Act, ExTwitter didn’t have to respond because the notice it received “did not specify the place of the contraventions” because, again, it tried to pretend that “Twitter” and “X” were different companies.

This just comes across as another bit of gamesmanship.

And again, the judge wasn’t impressed, noting that the notice identified both companies:

 In the present case, X Corp did not advance any persuasive basis on which to conclude that the failure of the infringement notice to identify the place of the contraventions could have prejudiced it. I have already mentioned that X Corp submitted that the location of the alleged contravention could have indicated which was the correct legal entity to which the notice should have been directed. But on X Corp’s own case, the location of the alleged contraventions had no relevance to this question, which was said to turn on the Online Safety Act itself, or the effects of the merger between Twitter Inc and X Corp, as provided for by Nevada law. And, as the Commissioner submitted, the infringement notice was addressed to X Corp and identified both Twitter Inc and X Corp as the relevant “provider”. It was not otherwise explained how X Corp was prejudiced by the fact that the notice did not identify where the failure to comply with s 57 of the Online Safety Act occurred. No prejudice, or even potential prejudice, is apparent. To the contrary, I accept the Commissioner’s submission that X Corp had everything it needed to know in order to consider the allegations made against it in the infringement notice.

I recognize that sometimes Elon gets away with his “cute” legal arguments. But maybe just following the law is better than trying to tap dance around it with obviously stupid rationales?

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

I recognize that sometimes Elon gets away with his “cute” legal arguments. But maybe just following the law is better than trying to tap dance around it with obviously stupid rationales?

Seems like Elon only recognizes the law insomuch as anyone can actually make him follow it. I would bet he’s all-in for Trump because Trump would direct the government to “leave Elon alone” or some shit.

Bilateralrope (profile) says:

Re: Re:

The SEC is still working on that one. The most recent activity is they wanted Musk to give testimony. There was a court battle with Musk trying to avoid testifying. Musk lost.

Then, three hours before he was scheduled to testify, his lawyers said that he was urgently needed to help with the Polaris Dawn launch.

That was only a few weeks ago, so we don’t yet know how the court is going to respond.

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Anonymous Coward says:

This is going to backfire in more ways than one

Judges don’t operate in a vacuum; they maintain an awareness of other cases involving the same litigant(s). Thus all the other judges in all the other pending cases involving Twitter, X, Elmo, whatever, are going to note this particular bit of bratty schoolboy behavior, which they’re likely to perceive as somewhere between a delaying tactic and insulting to the court. It’s never a good idea to annoy a sitting judge, it’s a much worse idea to annoy a lot of them.

That One Guy (profile) says:

If there is one department you NEVER get rid of... it's the one Elon sacked

Of all the things to stonewall a government on ‘Hey about that CSAM you said you were super-duper concerned about on your platform…’ has got to be one of the most horrific and telling for Elon to plant his flag on and decide was worth going to court over.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: What level of Dante's hell are you in?

Imagine for a moment, haunting a website for over a decade. Arguing with all and sundry, until you’ve been reduced to a dried out husk of a person. And finally, only being to rewrite the same hackneyed phrase over, and over, and over again, like some horrible Simpsons blackboard parody. I for one almost pity you.

Cdevon2 says:

Re: Re:

As soon as you see ‘Elon Musk’ in the title of an article, you’re copy-pasting paragraphs from the bucket of pro-Elon sentiments in whatever random order comes to mind today.

To tack on my own thought to your preamble: the difference between AC and a not-very-good bot is so small, they might as well be the same.

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