Elon Musk’s Broken Clock Moment: Standing Up To Australia’s Censorship Overreach

from the hey-he-got-it-right-for-once dept

Elon Musk, the self-proclaimed ‘free speech absolutist,’ rarely gets it right when it comes to actual free speech. But he deserves a rare round of applause in his fight against Australia’s global speech injunction.

We’ve had many posts detailing Elon Musk’s somewhat hypocritical understanding of free speech. This included his willingness to fold and give into censorial demands from governments in countries like Turkey and India. In that case, he gave in to demands from the Indian government to block content globally and not just in India.

While this was consistent with Musk’s blinkered view of “free speech” being “that which matches the law,” that’s not how free speech actually works.

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If it’s “that which matches the law,” that means the government can censor whoever it wants, simply by passing a law. That’s not free speech by any definition.

So it is always interesting when Musk is actually willing to stand up to government demands, which seems both pretty rare… and slightly arbitrary. He was willing to push back on a Brazilian judge’s attempt to censor content, but only in a case where it supported Brazilian supporters of the authoritarian Jair Bolsonaro, with whom Musk is friendly. As we noted at the time, it was good that he did that, but it kinda put an exclamation point on all the cases where he refused to do so.

Of course, a week later, it was reported (much more quietly!) that Musk and ExTwitter had agreed to comply with the censorship demands.

That takes us to Australia. A similar scenario has been playing out there over the last month or so. At the end of April, a federal court granted an injunction to the Australian eSafety Commissioner, saying that ExTwitter had to “take all reasonable steps” to remove video of a stabbing attack in a church in Wakeley, a suburb of Sydney.

ExTwitter responded by geoblocking the video, so it was not available to users appearing to come from Australia. Of course, geoblocking has its limitations, and the Australian eSafety Commissioner declared that such an approach was not good enough. She said that ExTwitter had to treat the injunction as a global injunction, given that users in Australia might otherwise come across the content via a VPN.

But now the eSafety commissioner has taken the matter to court, arguing X has failed to comply with the law because its interim action was to “geoblock” the content, not delete it.

Geoblocking means the content cannot be viewed in Australia, but this can be circumvented by anyone using a virtual private network (VPN), which obscures a user’s location.

Lawyers for the eSafety Commission told the federal court geoblocking was not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act.

Musk and ExTwitter rightly pushed back on this, though their framing of it being some sort of heroic fight against Australian censorship was a bit overblown. The company was fine blocking the content in Australia. Its only protest was about the global nature of the block. Also, the company had given in to similar global block demands in India.

But still, that’s an important legal fight. In the past, we’ve talked about this issue in the context of a Canadian court that ordered a global injunction against certain Google search results in the Equustek case. That case ended sort of oddly, in that an American court said that Google couldn’t be forced into a global injunction, while a Canadian court said “yes they can.” And… then basically everyone gave up. Some have reasonably argued that the USMCA trade agreement between the US, Canada, and Mexico may have effectively made the Canadian Equustek decision obsolete, due to its effective intermediary liability protections, but I don’t think anyone has tested that yet.

So, now, the fight moved to Australia. The EFF itself weighed in, arguing on behalf of ExTwitter that a global takedown is bullshit.

The Australian takedown order also ignores international human rights standards, restricting global access to information without considering less speech-intrusive alternatives. In other words: the Commissioner used a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Thankfully, a couple weeks back, the Australian federal court correctly sided with ExTwitter and against the eSafety Commissioner, in saying that it was improper to order a global injunction.

And that’s where things currently stand, though it feels like this discussion is far from over. I appreciate that, in this case, Musk was willing to stand up for some level of free speech and fight back against the global injunction. And, also, shame on the Australian eSafety Commissioner who should know better.

Of course, now don’t be surprised to see more attempts to pressure ExTwitter in Australia. Just last week, the company lost a motion in a different case, meaning that it is subject to the jurisdiction of a Queensland court over claims of discrimination due to alleged “hate speech” on the platform.

Either way, kudos to Elon for standing up for what’s actually right in this one case. I wish he’d do it in most other similar situations, but so far the record on that has been pretty spotty.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Just to make it clear: Twitter being required to block insurrectionists who want to overthrow governments and almost did so, and being held liable for hate speech in Australia, are good things, actually.

Also Sky News is owned by the scumbag that is Ruper Murdoch. Find a better source.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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If I were running a website whose purpose was to post hit jobs, and contracts for your head kept getting posted, somehow I don’t think you’d buy into an argument that it’s not my fault because someone else posted it.

It’s basic mens rea. The purpose of Twitter is to undermine Western liberal governments in favor of fascism. It makes every bit of sense to punish Twitter for doing that.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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What do you think Musk has been trying to do as he repeatedly sucks up to fascists, gives the finger to liberal governments, and gives special treatment to reactionary bigots?

Is it really a “nutbag” point of view to look at Twitter as it is now, then look at Musk, then look at the people Musk is cozying up to, and then look at the people and governments that Musk is opposing, and then decide to take the viewpoint that he wants to use Twitter as a wedge to shovel more fascist bullshit into the world?

Back in April 2022 when Musk started the whole Twitter bullshit, before he even owned it, it was clear from his propositions that he wanted to take it over so that he and his bigoted pals could have “Truth Social But With An Actual Userbase And Reach”.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

What do you think Musk has been trying to do as he repeatedly sucks up to fascists, gives the finger to liberal governments, and gives special treatment to reactionary bigots?

Grab attention by any means necessary, curry favor with people who would probably kill him if they had both the chance and the desire, or both.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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Is it really a “nutbag” point of view to look at Twitter as it is now, then look at Musk, then look at the people Musk is cozying up to, and then look at the people and governments that Musk is opposing, and then decide to take the viewpoint that he wants to use Twitter as a wedge to shovel more fascist bullshit into the world?

Yes. Because a simpler explanation is that he’s a selfish tit, and sucking up to powerful people can help him expand his business and/or make money.

Back in April 2022 when Musk started the whole Twitter bullshit, before he even owned it, it was clear from his propositions that he wanted to take it over so that he and his bigoted pals could have “Truth Social But With An Actual Userbase And Reach”.

Again, his selfish nature explains that.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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Twitter being required to block insurrectionists who want to overthrow governments and almost did so, and being held liable for hate speech in Australia, are good things, actually.

Why is it good that governments force legal speech off a social media platform and hold the platform liable for the speech of others?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Hate speech is not legal in Australia and many other countries. Maybe there’s a reason for that. A reason that one certain country on the brink of fascist collapse and civil war seems to have failed to learn over the decades.

Really, there are people just looking at the States and making their popcorn, waiting for the shooting to start. The First and the Second Amendments and the piles of braindead precedent and support heaped upon them, leading to their inevitable conclusion.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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But the speech might be legal somewhere else, in which case the Australian government can’t force a platform to remove it globally. So why is that a good thing?

And you didn’t answer why it’s a good thing that the platform should be liable for the speech of others.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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The US government has been crushing any and all left-wing movements as fledglings, for its entire history.

No, it has not. A number of them? Sure. But not all of them, not exclusively, and not for its entire history.

You’re threatening me with something that’s already been happening for 250 years.

Except that it hasn’t.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

You’re looking to muddy the waters, but the political landscape doesn’t lie. It’s been a consistent, persistent, and widespread theme through our nation’s entire history. Whatever edge cases you have in mind do not provide a compelling foil to our status quo, past or present.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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You’re looking to muddy the waters,

Not really.

but the political landscape doesn’t lie.

I agree. It just doesn’t support your claims.

It’s been a consistent, persistent, and widespread theme through our nation’s entire history.

It really, really hasn’t been, though.

Whatever edge cases you have in mind do not provide a compelling foil to our status quo, past or present.

I’m not thinking of any edge cases at all. You’re just wrong. From what I can tell, crushing left-wing movements has been the exception, not the norm.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

The US government has been crushing any and all left-wing movements as fledglings, for its entire history.

My knowledge of history does have gaps in the knowledge, but as recently as the 70s the US has struggled to handle actual Communist, ahem, cells.

I mean, Soviet-trained Latin American saboteurs did manage to infiltrate and take over at least one church board to sew terror in the name of Communist revolution.

I mean, they robbed banks. Armed with guns.

You’re threatening me with something that’s already been happening for 250 years.

Last I checked, it’s not a crime to be a Communist in America.

However, if you’re not White in America, I can understand that.

buttwipinglord (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

To be fair being all of those things you listed to not make any of that automatically easier. Now add rich or born rich and we have a winner.
Fuck man all of MAGA is basically just a bunch of useful poor idiots being manipulated because the rich white people in charge for decades have evaporated the so called “American Dream” right in their faces and are using it as fuel to their own ends. And yet none of them will recognize or reconcile it in their mind to realize just how fucked we all have been. FUD is strong. Add non white, non straight to the mix is just an extra difficulty modifier. True equality is bad for the bottom line. But don’t mind them in the background taking advantage of cheap immigrant labor or third world labor for all the people of the wrong color they think don’t deserve have rights or be actually educated so they can realize what is being done to everyone.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

And you didn’t answer why it’s a good thing that the platform should be liable for the speech of others.

Is it really “the speech of others” when Musk has been shown, repeatedly, to give special treatment to fascists and hateful people?

But I digress. The reason it’s a good thing: Giving platforms consequences, and I mean actual consequences, not the center-left liberal and laughable “marketplace of ideas” consequences, is good. “Musk better stop letting hateful people spread lies and stereotypes and more about marginalized groups, or else people are going to leave!” isn’t really having an effect.

Other countries using their hate speech laws, Europe enacting the DSA, and Brazil tackling its attempted fascist coup with extra tools like blocking fascist agitators on social media, and being met with pearl-clutching by Americans and organizations from America, really says it all.

In the UK, the communications regulator Ofcom sanctioned GBNews which had repeatedly been letting politicians act as news presenters, and the straw that broke the camel’s back was a “people’s forum” where Rishi Sunak was answering questions from audience members in an unopposed fashion, just giving the Tory shitheels a bunch of advertising space. This sanction drew ire from a bunch of ignorant absolutist Americans who didn’t know any better. As Steve Peers put it, some people really do need to learn what “fascist” means.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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Is it really “the speech of others” when Musk has been shown, repeatedly, to give special treatment to fascists and hateful people?

Yeah, that’s called “private property” and the owner is not liable for what the guests are saying.

Giving platforms consequences, and I mean actual consequences, not the center-left liberal and laughable “marketplace of ideas” consequences, is good.

You’re just moving the point one step down the road. Why is it good that platforms see consequences for the speech of their users?

“Musk better stop letting hateful people spread lies and stereotypes and more about marginalized groups, or else people are going to leave!” isn’t really having an effect.

Except that he’s caused the platform to lose over 2/3 of its value in a little over a year. That sounds like a consequence of the marketplace of ideas to me.

In the UK…

The platform we’re talking about is based in the US. What the UK wants to do is really neither here nor there.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Is it really “the speech of others” when Musk has been shown, repeatedly, to give special treatment to fascists and hateful people?

Yes. Unless Elon Musk (or any other Twitter employee) had a direct hand in creating/publishing that speech, it is still the speech of a third party and neither Musk as an individual nor Twitter as a company should face legal liability for it.

Giving platforms consequences … is good.

And what happens when the consequences are used by people you dislike against platforms you like and legally protected speech that you approve of, hmm? For that matter, what would you think if those “consequences” were visited upon you personally because some dickhead lawmaker decided to punish you for saying things he didn’t like?

Other countries using their hate speech laws, Europe enacting the DSA, and Brazil tackling its attempted fascist coup with extra tools like blocking fascist agitators on social media, and being met with pearl-clutching by Americans and organizations from America, really says it all.

We clutch our pearls because we understand how the slippery slope of censorship truly begins: “These people are saying things that I don’t like, and that should be against the law.” The bit about shouting “fire” in a crowded theater, for example, came from a Supreme Court ruling (Schenck v. United States) that justified the censorship of speech that opposed the draft⁠—a ruling, by the by, that was largely overturned fifty years after the fact.

If you’re fine with the government censoring people based on whether the government approves of a person’s speech, that’s your problem. The rest of us aren’t obligated to share it.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Is it really “the speech of others” when Musk has been shown, repeatedly, to give special treatment to fascists and hateful people?

Yes.

The reason it’s a good thing: Giving platforms consequences, and I mean actual consequences, not the center-left liberal and laughable “marketplace of ideas” consequences, is good.

Why?

“Musk better stop letting hateful people spread lies and stereotypes and more about marginalized groups, or else people are going to leave!” isn’t really having an effect.

So what? You still aren’t answering the question.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Other countries using their hate speech laws, Europe enacting the DSA, and Brazil tackling its attempted fascist coup with extra tools like blocking fascist agitators on social media, and being met with pearl-clutching by Americans and organizations from America, really says it all.

Liberals have an easier time identifying with fascists than they do with the victims of fascism.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Is it really “the speech of others” when Musk has been shown, repeatedly, to give special treatment to fascists and hateful people?

Yes.

Elon’s “speech” is to platform them and suck up to fascists and ironfisted authcap leaders.

He’s free to do that, and we’re free to criticize him or do worse.

The reason it’s a good thing: Giving platforms consequences, and I mean actual consequences, not the center-left liberal and laughable “marketplace of ideas” consequences, is good.

Wait, so CDA Section 230 is a bad thing now? Citizens United is a bad thing now? (Outside of the obvious side effects.)

Guess I’ll have to be a fascist now, since I’m not allowed to freely associate with anyone the government does not want me to associate with.

As Steve Peers put it, some people really do need to learn what “fascist” means.

Ah yes, a response to Cathy Gellis.

I do know what a fucking fascist is, btw.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Hate speech is not legal in Australia and many other countries. Maybe there’s a reason for that.

Some countries criminalize the expression of religious beliefs that don’t conform with a state-sponsored religion. Maybe there’s a reason for that~.

If you’re going to suggest that treading on the rights of people to express themselves freely is a good thing, you’re going to need more justification than “the law says they can”. Hate speech⁠—however you choose to define that phrase⁠—is heinous, but stepping all over an individual’s civil rights to stop that speech hasn’t worked yet and likely won’t ever work.

I won’t defend the speech of bigots. But I will defend their right to express that speech. Call me out for using a slippery slope fallacy if you wish; I’d prefer have a set of principles that I refuse to compromise instead of positions of convenience that rich people can bribe me into giving up.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

We’ve already established that your principles would have led you to shrug your shoulders while Nazis hauled off your neighbors in the lead up to WWII. In fact, your principles would have led you to join the Nazis in condemning anyone who did anything meaningful to stop them.

Having principles alone isn’t a virtue. Even Osama Bin Laden had principles.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Ask him yourself if you don’t believe me. He’s here. You can pick at just how deep his commitment to the rule of law is.

Or you can just accept the fact that, like most of the rest of the liberals here and throughout history, he’ll do his part to help maintain the fascist order when the chips are down.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Actors hauling people away, and murder, are not speech.

And when it gets to that point, when it’s too late, folks like you just keep your heads down and hope you’re not next.

In the lead up to that point, folks like you go through conniptions ensuring that the fascists can organize to action.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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We’ve already established that your principles would have led you to shrug your shoulders while Nazis hauled off your neighbors in the lead up to WWII.

You have established no such thing. Speech ≠ kidnapping, wrongful arrest, concentration camps, or genocide.

In fact, your principles would have led you to join the Nazis in condemning anyone who did anything meaningful to stop them.

Not at all. Again, speech ≠ genocide.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

This was a prior discussion Steve and I had regarding his commitment to the rule of law.

The whole point of fascists talking is to gather support and gain power until it’s too late. At that point, they’re the ones making the law to which y’all are unerringly committed.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

This was a prior discussion Steve and I had regarding his commitment to the rule of law.

In which you did not establish such a thing outside of your own head.

The whole point of fascists talking is to gather support and gain power until it’s too late.

And the way to counter that is with opposing speech.

At that point, they’re the ones making the law to which y’all are unerringly committed.

At this point, you’re just jumping to conclusions.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

And the way to counter that is with opposing speech.

And how much has that “counter speech with more speech” mantra been helping these last few years? We can’t just talk away the people who keep getting more and more powerful. If countering speech with more speech actually worked, Chaiya Raichik would not have been able to use her platform to get people to send bomb threats to enough schools and hospitals to then propel herself to her current position at a GOP school administration where she gets to pick and choose the books that kids are allowed to read.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

your principles would have led you to join the Nazis in condemning anyone who did anything meaningful to stop them

We can’t know that for sure, though I can admit that it would be a possibility. But it’s also possible that I would’ve condemned and fought against the Nazis even if doing so meant I would lose my life.

My principles are rooted in the realities of the here-and-now, not in some past hypothetical where I can’t know with the certainty of God whether I’d have the same principles and moral convictions. In that context, my principles tell me that preëmptive violence (especially lethal violence) against those whom I would call “Nazis” is a mistake. I talk a lot of shit about punching Nazis and all, and I’m fine with seeing shitbags like Dick Spencer get decked in public, but I’m not about to openly advocate for violence as the first, best, or only response to people espousing Nazi (or Nazi-adjacent) rhetoric.

I don’t know why you’re obsessed with making me compromise on my belief that violence should be the last option for when all other possible solutions are exhausted. I’m just some rando schmuck with way too much time on his hands and no real cultural or social reach to speak of; that you think I’m so important that making me compromise my principles is some grand fucking accomplishment is a weird-ass parasocial problem of your own making. Touching grass won’t fix you because you are clearly at the point where you need to till the soil and plant some crops if you really want to fix your shit. So I’ll state my position one more time for the record, then you can either go pound sand or find my email and continue this discussion that way:

Violence should be the absolute last resort for a situation where all non-violent solutions to a problem have been exhausted⁠—and in cases where violence is necessary, lethal violence should still be the absolute last resort.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I don’t want you to do anything except what you’re doing.

If you’re going to lie, at least make it a good one. You’ve engaged with me on this same conversation multiple times in the past, and you’ve tried multiple times to find some way to make me compromise my principles. You gonna use one of my furry screen names? Go ahead; it won’t accomplish shit. You gonna tell me I’d be a racist if I lived 200 years ago or a fascist if I was in World War II–era Europe? Maybe I would be, but nobody (including you) can know for sure. Take whatever tack you want to make me change my mind, but unless you have a better argument than the ones I’ve already rejected, you’re not going to accomplish that feat.

And again: Why me? Like, I’m some random shithead who doesn’t have any actual power (in any sense of the word) within a given culture or society. You’re out here trying to make me agree with you and compromise my principles like I’m Joe fucking Biden when I’m a Literally Who in damn near the truest sense of that phrase. I don’t really get why you’re obsessed with making me change my mind and join you in your desire to commit the mass murder of people whom you believe are fascists, but your parasocial obsession with me is your problem. Fix it yourself⁠—preferably in a way that cuts me (and your obsession with me) out of your life.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:10

I don’t want you to compromise your principles.

You can stop lying. You wouldn’t be arguing with me to the point of obsession if you weren’t trying to make me approve of the idea of preëmptive violence against people whom you believe are fascists. Now either contact me via email or go pound sand; I don’t care which.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Hate speech is not legal in Australia and many other countries. Maybe there’s a reason for that.

Some countries criminalize the expression of religious beliefs that don’t conform with a state-sponsored religion. Maybe there’s a reason for that~.

Conflating laws regulating hate speech with laws banning any religion other than the state religion says so much more about you than it does about Germany, for example. You can’t exactly claim to be autistic when you show so much less empathy than actually autistic people have.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Good to know that some random anonymous people on the internet knows exactly the range of emotions and empathy autistic people have and show. Care to post your credentials that confirms that you can pinpoint the emotional and empathic range an autistic person has just by reading something they wrote?

I, on the other hand (and many others), can easily tell from what people write and how they express themselves if they are stupid assholes or not. Are you smart enough to guess what I decided in your case?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

“I know autistic people so I’m an expert on their behavior and how they express themselves!”

Yes I am, actually. Since I have two kids who attend autism-specific schools and I’ve hosted many a birthday party attended by their classmates, that makes me an expert by experience. Now, what gives you the expertise necessary to claim Stephen is autistic when he shows zero signs of the condition and you’ve never spent any time with him IRL?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Wake me when he stands up to far-right governments and/or governments that are likely to do a real number on his business(es) if he disobeys their censorship demands. As things stand, this looks to me like a matter of Musk giving another liberal/left-wing government the finger rather than a matter of Musk actually giving a damn about free speech.

Anonymous Coward says:

Elon Musk stands up for...

…Elon Musk.

That’s it. That’s the only thing in the world he cares about, and has ever cared about, and will ever care about.

He doesn’t stand up for free speech – or anything else, for that matter. He’s fundamentally incapable of doing so. Every action he takes, every thing that says, is solely motivated by his ego, and if it happens to align with something else, it’s an accident.

Anonymous Coward says:

Maybe by “far beyond the law”, he means “geographically far beyond the country law court (where the law could only be applied)”.
If every court in the world could erase a bit of the internet that it doesn’t like, it won’t certainly remain much of it in few years.
Now, about our free speech savior of the day, I’m not saying that doing the right thing is doing it for the right reason.

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Peter D. Pebble says:

Thanks, Mike. Based as always. I firmly believe in the sanctity of the speech of people calling me subhuman, and if it ever comes to violence, which it already has but I just don’t want to admit it, I will never use prëëmptivë violëncë. Instead, I will flee to Canada and bitch about how Canada doesn’t have a proper First Amendment that will let what happened in America happen there.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Take what you can get

While I expect he only stood his ground here because someone smarter than him got him to realize that if he folds in this case a lot of countries/governments are going to be knocking at his door with global removal orders, punching huge holes in Twitter’s content and user-base it still resulted in him doing the right thing as a side-effect so I’ll take what I can get.

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