Elon Musk’s Broken Clock Moment: Standing Up To Australia’s Censorship Overreach
from the hey-he-got-it-right-for-once dept
Elon Musk, the self-proclaimed ‘free speech absolutist,’ rarely gets it right when it comes to actual free speech. But he deserves a rare round of applause in his fight against Australia’s global speech injunction.
We’ve had many posts detailing Elon Musk’s somewhat hypocritical understanding of free speech. This included his willingness to fold and give into censorial demands from governments in countries like Turkey and India. In that case, he gave in to demands from the Indian government to block content globally and not just in India.
While this was consistent with Musk’s blinkered view of “free speech” being “that which matches the law,” that’s not how free speech actually works.

If it’s “that which matches the law,” that means the government can censor whoever it wants, simply by passing a law. That’s not free speech by any definition.
So it is always interesting when Musk is actually willing to stand up to government demands, which seems both pretty rare… and slightly arbitrary. He was willing to push back on a Brazilian judge’s attempt to censor content, but only in a case where it supported Brazilian supporters of the authoritarian Jair Bolsonaro, with whom Musk is friendly. As we noted at the time, it was good that he did that, but it kinda put an exclamation point on all the cases where he refused to do so.
Of course, a week later, it was reported (much more quietly!) that Musk and ExTwitter had agreed to comply with the censorship demands.
That takes us to Australia. A similar scenario has been playing out there over the last month or so. At the end of April, a federal court granted an injunction to the Australian eSafety Commissioner, saying that ExTwitter had to “take all reasonable steps” to remove video of a stabbing attack in a church in Wakeley, a suburb of Sydney.
ExTwitter responded by geoblocking the video, so it was not available to users appearing to come from Australia. Of course, geoblocking has its limitations, and the Australian eSafety Commissioner declared that such an approach was not good enough. She said that ExTwitter had to treat the injunction as a global injunction, given that users in Australia might otherwise come across the content via a VPN.
But now the eSafety commissioner has taken the matter to court, arguing X has failed to comply with the law because its interim action was to “geoblock” the content, not delete it.
Geoblocking means the content cannot be viewed in Australia, but this can be circumvented by anyone using a virtual private network (VPN), which obscures a user’s location.
Lawyers for the eSafety Commission told the federal court geoblocking was not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act.
Musk and ExTwitter rightly pushed back on this, though their framing of it being some sort of heroic fight against Australian censorship was a bit overblown. The company was fine blocking the content in Australia. Its only protest was about the global nature of the block. Also, the company had given in to similar global block demands in India.
But still, that’s an important legal fight. In the past, we’ve talked about this issue in the context of a Canadian court that ordered a global injunction against certain Google search results in the Equustek case. That case ended sort of oddly, in that an American court said that Google couldn’t be forced into a global injunction, while a Canadian court said “yes they can.” And… then basically everyone gave up. Some have reasonably argued that the USMCA trade agreement between the US, Canada, and Mexico may have effectively made the Canadian Equustek decision obsolete, due to its effective intermediary liability protections, but I don’t think anyone has tested that yet.
So, now, the fight moved to Australia. The EFF itself weighed in, arguing on behalf of ExTwitter that a global takedown is bullshit.
The Australian takedown order also ignores international human rights standards, restricting global access to information without considering less speech-intrusive alternatives. In other words: the Commissioner used a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
Thankfully, a couple weeks back, the Australian federal court correctly sided with ExTwitter and against the eSafety Commissioner, in saying that it was improper to order a global injunction.
And that’s where things currently stand, though it feels like this discussion is far from over. I appreciate that, in this case, Musk was willing to stand up for some level of free speech and fight back against the global injunction. And, also, shame on the Australian eSafety Commissioner who should know better.
Of course, now don’t be surprised to see more attempts to pressure ExTwitter in Australia. Just last week, the company lost a motion in a different case, meaning that it is subject to the jurisdiction of a Queensland court over claims of discrimination due to alleged “hate speech” on the platform.
Either way, kudos to Elon for standing up for what’s actually right in this one case. I wish he’d do it in most other similar situations, but so far the record on that has been pretty spotty.
Filed Under: australia, censorship, elon musk, esafety commissioner, free speech, global injunction, wakely stabbings
Companies: twitter, x


Comments on “Elon Musk’s Broken Clock Moment: Standing Up To Australia’s Censorship Overreach”
Nah. He only defends it because he supports the content itself.
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This has been the theme the whole time. It’s disappointing that Mike is pretending not to see it.
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That didn’t happen, and you didn’t read the article.
Thank you! Next!
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Wrong, kiddo. Keep truckin.
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A rebuttal worthy of going down in history as one of the greatest of all time. Right up there with “I’m runner and you’re glue.” And “nuh-uh”
Re: Re: Re:3
The rebuttal got as much effort as the comment it was rebutting.
I’m not writing a wall of text in response to a troll. That’s what they want.
Re: Re: Re:4
And we don’t want to read a wall of text of you responding to yourself, so thanks for that.
Re: Re: Re:5
Speaking of “I’m rubber you’re glue.”
Re: Re: Re:6
You keep saying that about yourself. Is repetition the only thing you’re capable of since donating your brain to the services of MAGA?
Fixed that for you.
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Just to make it clear: Twitter being required to block insurrectionists who want to overthrow governments and almost did so, and being held liable for hate speech in Australia, are good things, actually.
Also Sky News is owned by the scumbag that is Ruper Murdoch. Find a better source.
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For what reason should Twitter be held liable for third party speech if no employee at Twitter, up to and including Elon Musk, played any direct role in crafting or publishing that speech?
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Counterpoint: Fuck Nazis.
Re: Re: Re:2
Do I have to? I’m single, not desperate.
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Re: Re: Re:3
Use a rake.
Re: Re: Re:2
I agree, but how does that answer my question?
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Re: Re: Re:3
Twitter is a Nazi bar dedicated to degeneracy and fascism.
Fuck ’em.
Re: Re: Re:4
Again, I agree, but how does that answer my question?
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Re: Re: Re:5
If I were running a website whose purpose was to post hit jobs, and contracts for your head kept getting posted, somehow I don’t think you’d buy into an argument that it’s not my fault because someone else posted it.
It’s basic mens rea. The purpose of Twitter is to undermine Western liberal governments in favor of fascism. It makes every bit of sense to punish Twitter for doing that.
Re: Re: Re:6
Be a bigger nutbag.
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Re: Re: Re:7
I’ve been hearing shit like this since 2016.
Y’all have been wrong every single time.
Re: Re: Re:7
What do you think Musk has been trying to do as he repeatedly sucks up to fascists, gives the finger to liberal governments, and gives special treatment to reactionary bigots?
Is it really a “nutbag” point of view to look at Twitter as it is now, then look at Musk, then look at the people Musk is cozying up to, and then look at the people and governments that Musk is opposing, and then decide to take the viewpoint that he wants to use Twitter as a wedge to shovel more fascist bullshit into the world?
Back in April 2022 when Musk started the whole Twitter bullshit, before he even owned it, it was clear from his propositions that he wanted to take it over so that he and his bigoted pals could have “Truth Social But With An Actual Userbase And Reach”.
Re: Re: Re:8
These people will never not play along with fascists’ plausible deniability.
Re: Re: Re:8
Grab attention by any means necessary, curry favor with people who would probably kill him if they had both the chance and the desire, or both.
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Re: Re: Re:9
So you see a rich fascist moving mountains (and $millions) to boost fascism, against a backdrop of rising fascism in world governments, and your takeaway is that he’s an edgelord?
Peak fucking denial.
Re: Re: Re:10
Occam’s Razor, nutbag.
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Re: Re: Re:11
Slow-rolling, global fascist coup in progress
Liberals: It’s all just coincidence!
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Re: Re: Re:11
Roe v Wade isn’t going anywhere, nutbag.
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Re: Re: Re:11
You just have Trump Derangement Syndrome, nutbag.
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Re: Re: Re:11
How is the right wing embracing violence, nutbag?
Cut to CPAC “We Are All Domestic Terrorists.”
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Re: Re: Re:11
How is Chaya Raichik perpetuating terrorism, nutbag?
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Re: Re: Re:11
Trump isn’t moving to be a dictator, nutbag.
Cut to Trump trying to overturn an election and fighting to avoid leaving the white house.
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Re: Re: Re:11
Ultimately, in order to pretend Musk’s involvement and actions are all coincidence, you have to ignore literally the rest of reality and suspend disbelief to the point that your critical thinking skills are on par with those of my dog.
Re: Re: Re:11
What are your thoughts on calling folks “nutbags” now, as we’re almost a year into a second Trump term of fascist nightmares?
Re: Re: Re:8
Yes. Because a simpler explanation is that he’s a selfish tit, and sucking up to powerful people can help him expand his business and/or make money.
Again, his selfish nature explains that.
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Re: Re: Re:5
Twitter should be liable because it, and its owner, Musk, have unbanned and given special treatment to users that post reactionary and bigoted content, with the site owner giving it all his tacit support.
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Re: Re: Re:6
Musk’s involvement goes well beyond “tacit.” Unbanning Nazis is an overt act towards building a Nazi bar.
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Nazis can DIAF, but your counterpoint is fail.
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FTFY
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Why is it good that governments force legal speech off a social media platform and hold the platform liable for the speech of others?
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Hate speech is not legal in Australia and many other countries. Maybe there’s a reason for that. A reason that one certain country on the brink of fascist collapse and civil war seems to have failed to learn over the decades.
Really, there are people just looking at the States and making their popcorn, waiting for the shooting to start. The First and the Second Amendments and the piles of braindead precedent and support heaped upon them, leading to their inevitable conclusion.
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But the speech might be legal somewhere else, in which case the Australian government can’t force a platform to remove it globally. So why is that a good thing?
And you didn’t answer why it’s a good thing that the platform should be liable for the speech of others.
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It’s a Nazi bar hosting what Musk intended it to host. Every employee is complacent. Fuck them all.
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Still not answering the question. Have you ever considered that this would apply to more than just ExTwitter or Elon Musk?
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Re: Re: Re:5
The US government has been crushing any and all left-wing movements as fledglings, for its entire history.
You’re threatening me with something that’s already been happening for 250 years.
Re: Re: Re:6
No, it has not. A number of them? Sure. But not all of them, not exclusively, and not for its entire history.
Except that it hasn’t.
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You’re looking to muddy the waters, but the political landscape doesn’t lie. It’s been a consistent, persistent, and widespread theme through our nation’s entire history. Whatever edge cases you have in mind do not provide a compelling foil to our status quo, past or present.
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Trans rights are actually worse in China and Vietnam than in some states of the US, and even in the states where the elected officials want to kill us, the electorate doesn’t.
Source: I am trans.
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Re: Re: Re:9
Well, based on your user name, I’m still going to call (and think of) you as a man unless you say otherwise.
Re: Re: Re:10
I see you failed to engage the brain before typing that comment.
Re: Re: Re:11
Every accusation a projection.
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Actually, AC’s comment shows a readiness to recognize someone’s identity if it’s different from what they know, so the only one that failed to engage their brain before commenting is you.
Re: Re: Re:10
Fine by me, slick. I haven’t completed my transition yet. In fact, I’ve only just begun on the 12th of May.
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Not really.
I agree. It just doesn’t support your claims.
It really, really hasn’t been, though.
I’m not thinking of any edge cases at all. You’re just wrong. From what I can tell, crushing left-wing movements has been the exception, not the norm.
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My knowledge of history does have gaps in the knowledge, but as recently as the 70s the US has struggled to handle actual Communist, ahem, cells.
I mean, Soviet-trained Latin American saboteurs did manage to infiltrate and take over at least one church board to sew terror in the name of Communist revolution.
I mean, they robbed banks. Armed with guns.
Last I checked, it’s not a crime to be a Communist in America.
However, if you’re not White in America, I can understand that.
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Not white. Not straight. Not Christian. Not cis. Not financially secure. There are a whole lot of impetuses to realizing that we’ve been sold a false bill of goods regarding our ostensible freedoms.
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To be fair being all of those things you listed to not make any of that automatically easier. Now add rich or born rich and we have a winner.
Fuck man all of MAGA is basically just a bunch of useful poor idiots being manipulated because the rich white people in charge for decades have evaporated the so called “American Dream” right in their faces and are using it as fuel to their own ends. And yet none of them will recognize or reconcile it in their mind to realize just how fucked we all have been. FUD is strong. Add non white, non straight to the mix is just an extra difficulty modifier. True equality is bad for the bottom line. But don’t mind them in the background taking advantage of cheap immigrant labor or third world labor for all the people of the wrong color they think don’t deserve have rights or be actually educated so they can realize what is being done to everyone.
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Bullshit. Not being all of those things immediately adds additional challenge.
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You BlueAnon fucks are so exhausting.
Get a fucking grip on reality.
Yes, there’s a lot of bad shit going on, but you don’t defeat it by giving MORE power to the government to silence people. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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I agree fully.
However, the heavens have fallen, and justice still isn’t done.
You can’t blame some people for thinking that it’s time to hand the government more power.
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The reduction here is so absurd it doesn’t warrant any further response.
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Is it really “the speech of others” when Musk has been shown, repeatedly, to give special treatment to fascists and hateful people?
But I digress. The reason it’s a good thing: Giving platforms consequences, and I mean actual consequences, not the center-left liberal and laughable “marketplace of ideas” consequences, is good. “Musk better stop letting hateful people spread lies and stereotypes and more about marginalized groups, or else people are going to leave!” isn’t really having an effect.
Other countries using their hate speech laws, Europe enacting the DSA, and Brazil tackling its attempted fascist coup with extra tools like blocking fascist agitators on social media, and being met with pearl-clutching by Americans and organizations from America, really says it all.
In the UK, the communications regulator Ofcom sanctioned GBNews which had repeatedly been letting politicians act as news presenters, and the straw that broke the camel’s back was a “people’s forum” where Rishi Sunak was answering questions from audience members in an unopposed fashion, just giving the Tory shitheels a bunch of advertising space. This sanction drew ire from a bunch of ignorant absolutist Americans who didn’t know any better. As Steve Peers put it, some people really do need to learn what “fascist” means.
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Yeah, that’s called “private property” and the owner is not liable for what the guests are saying.
You’re just moving the point one step down the road. Why is it good that platforms see consequences for the speech of their users?
Except that he’s caused the platform to lose over 2/3 of its value in a little over a year. That sounds like a consequence of the marketplace of ideas to me.
The platform we’re talking about is based in the US. What the UK wants to do is really neither here nor there.
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Even if they were invited specifically to say certain things? I’m… not at all sure that’s how the 1st Amendment actually works.
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Yes. Unless Elon Musk (or any other Twitter employee) had a direct hand in creating/publishing that speech, it is still the speech of a third party and neither Musk as an individual nor Twitter as a company should face legal liability for it.
And what happens when the consequences are used by people you dislike against platforms you like and legally protected speech that you approve of, hmm? For that matter, what would you think if those “consequences” were visited upon you personally because some dickhead lawmaker decided to punish you for saying things he didn’t like?
We clutch our pearls because we understand how the slippery slope of censorship truly begins: “These people are saying things that I don’t like, and that should be against the law.” The bit about shouting “fire” in a crowded theater, for example, came from a Supreme Court ruling (Schenck v. United States) that justified the censorship of speech that opposed the draft—a ruling, by the by, that was largely overturned fifty years after the fact.
If you’re fine with the government censoring people based on whether the government approves of a person’s speech, that’s your problem. The rest of us aren’t obligated to share it.
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Yes.
Why?
So what? You still aren’t answering the question.
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Liberals have an easier time identifying with fascists than they do with the victims of fascism.
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Because liberals exist only in America?
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I’m sure you thought you had a point.
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Also at play is the concept of “American Exceptionalism:” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
Simply put, this is a mental process through which Americans treat the idiotic problems resulting from their idiotic systems as simply a side effect of the good and right way to do things.
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Yes.
Elon’s “speech” is to platform them and suck up to fascists and ironfisted authcap leaders.
He’s free to do that, and we’re free to criticize him or do worse.
Wait, so CDA Section 230 is a bad thing now? Citizens United is a bad thing now? (Outside of the obvious side effects.)
Guess I’ll have to be a fascist now, since I’m not allowed to freely associate with anyone the government does not want me to associate with.
Ah yes, a response to Cathy Gellis.
I do know what a fucking fascist is, btw.
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Re: Re: Re:5
Don’t strain yourself reaching for permission.
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I’ve never watched GB News or visited its website because its first presenter was Andrew Neil, who is a Reich wing shitbag who is up there with the likes of Steve Bannon.
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Anyone here speak libtard and can translate this into English please?
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Could someone arrange some ESL classes for Monkey Pox Man, please?
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reich
you must be a libtard if you think this is english
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Right, because only “libtards” use loanwords from other languages. So I guess you’ll never eat spaghetti puttanesca, wear a pair of espadrilles, or stay in a hotel in your life ever.
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Re: Re: Re:9
Bingo!
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Unfortunately, ‘can’t’ and ‘shouldn’t’ are two different concepts.
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Some countries criminalize the expression of religious beliefs that don’t conform with a state-sponsored religion. Maybe there’s a reason for that~.
If you’re going to suggest that treading on the rights of people to express themselves freely is a good thing, you’re going to need more justification than “the law says they can”. Hate speech—however you choose to define that phrase—is heinous, but stepping all over an individual’s civil rights to stop that speech hasn’t worked yet and likely won’t ever work.
I won’t defend the speech of bigots. But I will defend their right to express that speech. Call me out for using a slippery slope fallacy if you wish; I’d prefer have a set of principles that I refuse to compromise instead of positions of convenience that rich people can bribe me into giving up.
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We’ve already established that your principles would have led you to shrug your shoulders while Nazis hauled off your neighbors in the lead up to WWII. In fact, your principles would have led you to join the Nazis in condemning anyone who did anything meaningful to stop them.
Having principles alone isn’t a virtue. Even Osama Bin Laden had principles.
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Do you talk out yer ass all the time or this just another isolated incident?
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Re: Re: Re:5
Ask him yourself if you don’t believe me. He’s here. You can pick at just how deep his commitment to the rule of law is.
Or you can just accept the fact that, like most of the rest of the liberals here and throughout history, he’ll do his part to help maintain the fascist order when the chips are down.
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Given that he has explicitly said the opposite, I’m going to say that you’re lying and/or engaging in hasty generalization.
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Re: Re: Re:7
He actually used quite a few words to avoid explicitly saying anything at all.
Re: Re: Re:8
No, he has pretty explicitly said he’s anti-fascism. He’s been clear on that.
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Re: Re: Re:4
You’re a fucking idiot.
Actors hauling people away, and murder, are not speech.
Look, you seem pretty upset by fascists, which is reasonable, but your solutions are equally authoritarian. Good job.
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And when it gets to that point, when it’s too late, folks like you just keep your heads down and hope you’re not next.
In the lead up to that point, folks like you go through conniptions ensuring that the fascists can organize to action.
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You have established no such thing. Speech ≠ kidnapping, wrongful arrest, concentration camps, or genocide.
Not at all. Again, speech ≠ genocide.
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This was a prior discussion Steve and I had regarding his commitment to the rule of law.
The whole point of fascists talking is to gather support and gain power until it’s too late. At that point, they’re the ones making the law to which y’all are unerringly committed.
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In which you did not establish such a thing outside of your own head.
And the way to counter that is with opposing speech.
At this point, you’re just jumping to conclusions.
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And how much has that “counter speech with more speech” mantra been helping these last few years? We can’t just talk away the people who keep getting more and more powerful. If countering speech with more speech actually worked, Chaiya Raichik would not have been able to use her platform to get people to send bomb threats to enough schools and hospitals to then propel herself to her current position at a GOP school administration where she gets to pick and choose the books that kids are allowed to read.
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Unrestricted speech can nevertheless lead to (attempted) genocide. Your point?
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The propaganda did not cause the genocide. It may have made it easier to (temporarily) get away with it, but that’s not the same thing. And who said “unrestricted”? Speech that directs someone to commit a crime is not protected.
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Someone forgot their history, I see. I’ll be looking out for name among those of the individuals charged with future genocides.
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You said “speech”, and unrestricted speech is indeed a class of speech. Way to prove you’re a hypocrite regarding reading comprehension, though.
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We can’t know that for sure, though I can admit that it would be a possibility. But it’s also possible that I would’ve condemned and fought against the Nazis even if doing so meant I would lose my life.
My principles are rooted in the realities of the here-and-now, not in some past hypothetical where I can’t know with the certainty of God whether I’d have the same principles and moral convictions. In that context, my principles tell me that preëmptive violence (especially lethal violence) against those whom I would call “Nazis” is a mistake. I talk a lot of shit about punching Nazis and all, and I’m fine with seeing shitbags like Dick Spencer get decked in public, but I’m not about to openly advocate for violence as the first, best, or only response to people espousing Nazi (or Nazi-adjacent) rhetoric.
I don’t know why you’re obsessed with making me compromise on my belief that violence should be the last option for when all other possible solutions are exhausted. I’m just some rando schmuck with way too much time on his hands and no real cultural or social reach to speak of; that you think I’m so important that making me compromise my principles is some grand fucking accomplishment is a weird-ass parasocial problem of your own making. Touching grass won’t fix you because you are clearly at the point where you need to till the soil and plant some crops if you really want to fix your shit. So I’ll state my position one more time for the record, then you can either go pound sand or find my email and continue this discussion that way:
Violence should be the absolute last resort for a situation where all non-violent solutions to a problem have been exhausted—and in cases where violence is necessary, lethal violence should still be the absolute last resort.
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Re: Re: Re:5
Fighting Nazis would have been against the law. We know exactly where you stand on the rule of law.
Re: Re: Re:6
I repeat: You can either go pound sand or find my email and continue this discussion that way.
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I don’t want you to do anything except what you’re doing. You’re already demonstrating exactly what I want you to demonstrate.
It’s not for you, and it’s not for me. It’s for illustrative purposes. Nothing more, nothing less.
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If you’re going to lie, at least make it a good one. You’ve engaged with me on this same conversation multiple times in the past, and you’ve tried multiple times to find some way to make me compromise my principles. You gonna use one of my furry screen names? Go ahead; it won’t accomplish shit. You gonna tell me I’d be a racist if I lived 200 years ago or a fascist if I was in World War II–era Europe? Maybe I would be, but nobody (including you) can know for sure. Take whatever tack you want to make me change my mind, but unless you have a better argument than the ones I’ve already rejected, you’re not going to accomplish that feat.
And again: Why me? Like, I’m some random shithead who doesn’t have any actual power (in any sense of the word) within a given culture or society. You’re out here trying to make me agree with you and compromise my principles like I’m Joe fucking Biden when I’m a Literally Who in damn near the truest sense of that phrase. I don’t really get why you’re obsessed with making me change my mind and join you in your desire to commit the mass murder of people whom you believe are fascists, but your parasocial obsession with me is your problem. Fix it yourself—preferably in a way that cuts me (and your obsession with me) out of your life.
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Re: Re: Re:9
I don’t want you to compromise your principles. You’re my go-to example of the failings of liberal principles.
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You can stop lying. You wouldn’t be arguing with me to the point of obsession if you weren’t trying to make me approve of the idea of preëmptive violence against people whom you believe are fascists. Now either contact me via email or go pound sand; I don’t care which.
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Re: Re: Re:11
I want you to continue publicly bristling at the idea of stopping Nazis early in their genocide. The more word games you use to justify it, the better.
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For example, the reference to “preëmptive violence” against an adversary who’s already being violent.
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..hallucinates nobody mentally competent, only BDAC.
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Conflating laws regulating hate speech with laws banning any religion other than the state religion says so much more about you than it does about Germany, for example. You can’t exactly claim to be autistic when you show so much less empathy than actually autistic people have.
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Good to know I’m not the only one to have spotted the biggest problem with that claim.
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Good to know that some random anonymous people on the internet knows exactly the range of emotions and empathy autistic people have and show. Care to post your credentials that confirms that you can pinpoint the emotional and empathic range an autistic person has just by reading something they wrote?
I, on the other hand (and many others), can easily tell from what people write and how they express themselves if they are stupid assholes or not. Are you smart enough to guess what I decided in your case?
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Yes, because no “random anonymous people on the internet” know any autistic people, are family members of autistic people, or are autistic themselves, amirite? 🤦♂️
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And you think that makes you an authority on how every autistic person expresses themselves?
“I know autistic people so I’m an expert on their behavior and how they express themselves!”
🤦♂️ indeed.
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Every accusation a very prescient confession.
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Yes I am, actually. Since I have two kids who attend autism-specific schools and I’ve hosted many a birthday party attended by their classmates, that makes me an expert by experience. Now, what gives you the expertise necessary to claim Stephen is autistic when he shows zero signs of the condition and you’ve never spent any time with him IRL?
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May I introduce you to the SPEECH act?
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Liberal hearts always be bleeding for fascists.
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Nope.
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Yep.
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Nope
Wake me when he stands up to far-right governments and/or governments that are likely to do a real number on his business(es) if he disobeys their censorship demands. As things stand, this looks to me like a matter of Musk giving another liberal/left-wing government the finger rather than a matter of Musk actually giving a damn about free speech.
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Why would he stand up to his co-conspirators?
Elon Musk stands up for...
…Elon Musk.
That’s it. That’s the only thing in the world he cares about, and has ever cared about, and will ever care about.
He doesn’t stand up for free speech – or anything else, for that matter. He’s fundamentally incapable of doing so. Every action he takes, every thing that says, is solely motivated by his ego, and if it happens to align with something else, it’s an accident.
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Free speech is when I leverage dad’s blood emerald money to get rich AF off the backs of people who didn’t grow up with blood emerald money.
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AC, meet the facts.* Probably uncomfortable reading for you, though.
*This should not be read as support for Elmo, as I think he’s deliberately associated himself with neo-Nazis, if not being one himself.
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He made the claim in 2014 and then backtracked it later.
I’ve never been rich enough to claim both sides of my dad owning an emerald mine in Apartheid Africa.
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May I refer you to the link posted by AC above?
Maybe by “far beyond the law”, he means “geographically far beyond the country law court (where the law could only be applied)”.
If every court in the world could erase a bit of the internet that it doesn’t like, it won’t certainly remain much of it in few years.
Now, about our free speech savior of the day, I’m not saying that doing the right thing is doing it for the right reason.
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Far beyond the law, once upon a time, a long time ago, in the land of dairy queen, it was a dark and stormy night.
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Thanks, Mike. Based as always. I firmly believe in the sanctity of the speech of people calling me subhuman, and if it ever comes to violence, which it already has but I just don’t want to admit it, I will never use prëëmptivë violëncë. Instead, I will flee to Canada and bitch about how Canada doesn’t have a proper First Amendment that will let what happened in America happen there.
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I may not agree that I should die, but I will defend to the death your right to call for my death while handing out pitchforks to people who want me dead.
Take what you can get
While I expect he only stood his ground here because someone smarter than him got him to realize that if he folds in this case a lot of countries/governments are going to be knocking at his door with global removal orders, punching huge holes in Twitter’s content and user-base it still resulted in him doing the right thing as a side-effect so I’ll take what I can get.
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Oh, don’t worry.
They’ll still come knocking.
He’s already sucking up to Putin and Xi and Modi.
They’ll ask, and he will comply.