Fifth Circuit Handles A Library Book Removal Case And Makes A Mess Of It

from the right,-but-also-wrong dept

There’s a lot of book banning going on right now in the Land of the Free. It’s mostly localized to certain areas of the country — states and cities overseen by bigots who finally feel they’re allowed to let their freak flag fly (instead of, or on top of the American flag which may or may not be right-side up, depending on recent jury decisions elsewhere in the country).

While it may seem like a groundswell movement seeking to make libraries safe places for certain thoughts, it’s usually just the overly enthusiastic efforts of a few people with massive ideological axes to grind. That’s why even Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who hasn’t met an unconstitutional bill he doesn’t like, had to dial back his state’s book ban-enabling law.

Texas is pretty much like Florida. It’s led by people who cater to the worst of their voting bases, allowing bigotry to run wild while pretending they’re doing this to protect all of their constituents, rather than just appeasing their most hateful ones.

Getting books pulled from libraries in Llano County, Texas led to litigation. And that litigation has led to this wild decision [PDF] from the Fifth Circuit Appeals Court. The Fifth Circuit is often terrible when it comes to the First Amendment. This one, however, gets its mostly right, while still messing things up enough that it’s not going to prevent further stupidity from citizens armed with ideological axes or the libraries that somehow believe these people have opinions worth respecting.

Here’s how this all started:

In August 2021, Llano resident Rochelle Wells, together with Eva Carter and Jo Ares, complained to [county Judge Ron] Cunningham about “pornographic and overtly sexual books in the library’s children’s section.” They were specifically concerned with several books about “butts and farts.” Wells had been checking out those books continuously for months to prevent others from accessing them. As library director, Milum had initially ordered those books because she thought, based on her training, that they were age appropriate. Because of the complaints, Cunningham told Milum to remove the books from the shelves. Commissioner Jerry Don Moss also requested that Milum remove the books, telling her that the next step would be going to court, which would lead to bad publicity, and advising her to “pick her battles.” She followed those instructions and removed the “butt and fart” books from both the library shelves and the catalog.

A few months later, in response to further complaints, [Judge ]Cunningham directed Milum to immediately pull all books from the shelves that “depict any type of sexual activity or questionable nudity.” That direction came via a forwarded email that Cunningham had received from a constituent named Bonnie Wallace. Wallace had sent Cunningham a list of books in the Llano County library system that appeared on Texas Representative Matt Krause’s list of objectionable material, referring to the books as “pornographic filth.” After receiving that list (“the Wallace list”) from Cunningham, Milum pulled the books from the shelves, allegedly to “weed” them based on the traditional MUSTIE factors. Milum testified that she would not have pulled the books had it not been for her receipt of the Wallace list. In fact, she had pulled no other books for review during that time period. By the end of 2021, seventeen books—all on the Wallace List—had been removed from the Llano County library system entirely.

“Butt and fart” may have gotten the foot in the door, but the real point was to remove books with more artistic merit, ones that made the requesters more unhappy than those that just contained juvenile humor. Here’s what was removed from the library, due to the combined actions of a judge, a commissioner, and three residents who thought they should get to decide what everyone else reads.

Seven “butt and fart” books, with titles like I Broke My Butt! and Larry the Farting Leprechaun;

Four young adult books touching on sexuality and homosexuality, such as Gabi, a Girl in Pieces;

Being Jazz: My Life as a (Transgender) Teen and Freakboy, both centering on gender identity and dysphoria;

Caste and They Called Themselves the K.K.K., two books about the history of racism in the United States;

Well-known picture book, In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak, which contains cartoon drawings of a naked child; and

It’s Perfectly Normal: Changing Bodies, Growing Up, Sex and Sexual Health.

Somehow there are always books about racism in the US on these lists. The books targeting LGBTQ+ reading material is par for the course as well.

Even more bullshit followed. The original library board was disbanded and reformed. The library director (Amber Milum) was prohibited from attending these meetings and forced to ask permission from the new board to purchase any new books. Copies of the books ordered off the shelves were donated to the library by the defendants’ attorney following the lawsuit but these books were never placed on the shelves or listed in the library’s catalog.

It should be pretty clear that everyone involved in the removal of these books was a government employee, running from the county judge to the county commissioner to the library director. As such, removing these books (which did not fall under any definition of obscenity) was a clear First Amendment violation, given that the books were targeted for their content and viewpoint.

So, it should have been an easy decision. The books should have gone back on the shelves and the defendants’ enjoined from engaging in this sort of unconstitutional stupidity ever again. There’s an injunction in here, but it gets complicated because this particular government agency feels it should also be able to engage in content-based restrictions.

While it does acknowledge that curation is part of a librarian’s job (to remove damaged books, older versions, or books rarely, if ever, checked out by patrons), this must be balanced by the presumptive First Amendment right of access to information. In this case, the library board (along with a local judge) decided to remove only certain content that a couple of residents complained about — content the board clearly didn’t care for either.

[W]e agree that library personnel must necessarily consider content in curating a collection. However, the Court has nowhere held that the government may make these decisions based solely on the intent to deprive the public of access to ideas with which it disagrees. That would violate the First Amendment and entirely shield all collection decisions from challenge.

But the Fifth Circuit doesn’t stop there. It modified the lower court’s injunction, which ordered the county library to return all books removed due to “viewpoint or content,” including the books specifically targeted by the complaining residents. It also forbade the library from removing any books for any reason until this case was resolved.

The Fifth says this goes too far. It limits the return order to the only eight of the 17 listed earlier and gives the library discretion to remove others, so long as those removals aren’t content-based. But that’s not much better. That’s the Fifth deciding what can or can’t be read based on its own interpretations of the contested books’ content.

The concurrence points this out. But, weirdly, it also suggests the majority didn’t go far enough in declaring some books unworthy of library placement due to their lack of… I guess… artistic merit? (Emphasis in the original.)

I find that some of the removals here satisfy the Campbell standard. The district court found that all removals were unconstitutional, stating: “Plaintiffs have clearly shown that Defendants’ decisions were likely motivated by a desire to limit access to the viewpoints to which Wallace and Wells objected.”

I disagree, first, because not all of the books express an “idea” or “viewpoint” in the sense required by the caselaw. I am referring to the items we have needed to label for clarity as the “butt and fart books.” Viewpoints and ideas are few in number in a book titled “Gary the Goose and His Gas on the Loose” — only juvenile, flatulent humor. Perhaps a librarian selected the book believing the juvenile content would encourage juveniles to read. Even if that is so, I do not find those books were removed on the basis of a dislike for the ideas within them when it has not been shown the books contain any ideas with which to disagree.

Wow. Judge Leslie Southwick read the majority decision and decided to compose a concurrence that basically says: “What if… and hear me out… some books are just too stupid to be made available to the public?” The judge says these books have no “ideas with which to disagree.” Maybe so, but someone still wanted them removed because of their content, and multiple government employees took actions to make that happen. That’s what needs to be prevented, and it’s not up to judges to decide whether or not a book they wouldn’t particularly like can be accessed by others.

The concurrence then goes further to suggest that as long as anyone can imagine a reason to remove a book, it might be constitutional so long as the presiding judge thinks the books are too stupid to be given First Amendment protection.

Wallace and Wells objected to the butt and fart books on the basis that they (1) promoted grooming” of minors and (2) were sexually explicit. These objections do not convert the resulting removals into viewpoint-based decisions.

Somehow, the judge has words to say about the juvenile nature of the “butt and fart” books but nothing to say about the ridiculousness of the assertions made by the Llano County residents who sought to have these books removed from the library.

To that end, the concurrence says the more limited book return order by the Appeals Court is better of the two (the lower court ordered the return of all books to the library’s shelves and catalog), but that it would have been better if the Fifth Circuit had disallowed the return of even more of the contested books.

I conclude that the plaintiffs have not met their burden to show a likelihood of success on the merits of their constitutional challenges to the removal of the butt and fart books, In the Night Kitchen, and It’s Perfectly Normal. The plaintiffs are, therefore, not entitled to a preliminary injunction requiring the return of those books to the Llano County Libraries.

Then the dissent shows up to say everything above is wrong. It calls the rest of the judges (on both levels) the “library police.” And not without reason. Two consecutive courts have decided what can and can’t be returned to the library. The lower court said all of the books. The Appeals Court said about half of them. The concurrence says even fewer books are worth of library placement.

Each judge provided their own reason and citations supporting their conclusions. But, as the dissent points out, they’re often contradictory. On one hand, the courts agreed libraries could still curate their collections. But they disagreed as to how this curation could be accomplished under the Constitution. It’s a complete mess and this decision does nothing to clear it up:

[E]ven assuming courts can police libraries’ collection decisions, what standard would they apply? The only one proposed by Plaintiffs (and the district court) is to forbid “content or viewpoint discrimination.” As shown, that is a non-starter. It would leave a librarian powerless to remove from the shelves all manner of bigoted screeds. It would perversely require librarians to “balance” legitimate scientific volumes with reams of quackery. It would literally bar a library from stopping a subscription to Penthouse magazine. In short, it is a standard in open war with the very concept of a library, whose mission is to assess materials precisely in terms of content and viewpoint and thereby “separate out the gold from the garbage.” (quoting Katz, supra, at 6).

Defendants’ counterproposal is that a library’s collection decisions must be “rational.” That is more modest than Plaintiffs’ proposal, but no more helpful. After all, what constitutes an “irrational” collection decision? Featuring the romantic works of E.L. James? Classifying The DaVinci Code as “Literature”? The mind reels at judges concocting “standards” for adjudicating such insoluble subjectivities. It would be no different than judges opining on whether the NEA should fund the latest “re-imagining” of Hamlet. Or whether a public television station should air old episodes of The Joy of Painting instead of the new season of Call The Midwife. Those are matters of esthetic, social, and moral judgment and no judge-made test can possibly say whether their resolution in any given case was “rational.” […] The same goes for a public library’s decision about which books to feature and which books to exclude.

But does the dissent have a solution? Yes. But it’s not all that much better. It says library curation is government speech, which is not subject to the Free Speech Clause. The government may not silence the speech of citizens, but it’s not required to express every idea constituents want it to express either. Libraries should be free to curate content, even when that curation effort is guided by bigots who just want certain content taken out of the public’s hands.

The dissent says this is not a great outcome, but it’s ok. And if people like the plaintiffs want to see something better from public officials and government employees, they’re free to load up on better public officials.

Energized voters can bend public officials to their will, as this case amply shows. Plaintiffs’ lamentations to the contrary, that does not amount to “book banning.” It means that a local government heeded its citizens. True, the upshot is that Llano County’s books may differ from the books in Travis or Harris County. But variety is a feature of our system, not a bug.

Which is probably as close to right as it gets. We want libraries to fight back when faced with removal requests, but if they’re expected to follow an arbitrary list of restrictions on curation, they’re more likely to comply with the type of people who like to demand the removal of books.

And it’s not like other cases we’ve dealt with involving public libraries and the books they can carry. Two other state laws ruled unconstitutional involved unconstitutional acts by other government bodies. In Arkansas, a new law would have allowed the state to bring criminal charges against librarians for “providing harmful materials to minors.” Meanwhile, back in Texas, the new law would have forced private companies (book publishers) to create and post “sexual content ratings” for any books sold to libraries or schools.

Those are both very different things than what’s being discussed here. And given the facts of this case, there’s no perfect answer. Curation is a two-way street. To be free to retain books in the face of bogus removal efforts, librarians must also be free to remove them when the circumstances warrant that. The problem here is the local government officials with the power to force the library to comply decided to side with people motivated by irrational hate. And the only way to fix that is to remove officials who think the worst constituents should be given the most credence.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Ah, but Florida School Board says "hold my beer"

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2024/06/11/florida-school-board-bans-book-about-book-bans/73970418007/

The Indian River County School Board voted to remove “Ban This Book” by Alan Gratz from its shelves in a meeting last month, overruling its own district book-review committee’s decision to keep it.

Respect my Authoritah!

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'If kids know what racism is they might start judging MY bigotry!'

Seven “butt and fart” books, with titles like I Broke My Butt! and Larry the Farting Leprechaun;

Four young adult books touching on sexuality and homosexuality, such as Gabi, a Girl in Pieces;*

Being Jazz: My Life as a (Transgender) Teen and Freakboy, both centering on gender identity and dysphoria;

Caste and They Called Themselves the K.K.K., two books about the history of racism in the United States;

Well-known picture book, In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak, which contains cartoon drawings of a naked child; and

It’s Perfectly Normal: Changing Bodies, Growing Up, Sex and Sexual Health.

Given the significant tonal difference I rather suspect that the ‘fart’ books were primarily a smokescreen for the real goal, that of removing the other ones on the list, by cowardly bigots who couldn’t just outright admit that they were positively appalled by the idea of admitting that racism exists or that there is anything other than CIS heterosexuality.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Hmm.

It’s interesting to note that a written account of what has happened in congress which properly states how some republicans have shown nudes or used explicit language would be banned if these idiots had their way.

Of course so would the Bible.

Given the amount of pedos in the republican party it wouldn’t surprise me if they really just wanted kids to be easier to abuse.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Giving the game away

Of course so would the Bible.

Funnily enough when it’s pointed out just how not child friendly the bible is the same people that were screeching about protecting children from violent and/or sexual content and using that to justify books bans develop an instantaneous exemption for a book with Lot(s) of both, almost as though they’re just using Think of the Children!(tm) as cover for their bigotry.

31Bob (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Funnily enough when it’s pointed out just how not child friendly the bible is the same people that were screeching about protecting children from violent and/or sexual content and using that to justify books bans develop an instantaneous exemption for a book with Lot(s) of both, almost as though they’re just using Think of the Children!(tm) as cover for their bigotry.

I wonder if their big magic book is flame proof, because walking it outside and setting that fucking thing on fire would also remove it from the library.. for the KIDS!

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

“I wonder if their big magic book is flame proof”

I recently read of someone who made a fire-proof copy of one of the versions of the bible, I do not know which one.

Can not find it now .. google returns a lot of unrelated crap. I think it was to be carved in stone. Must weigh a lot. The door knockers would need several wagons in their neighborly thumping and preaching.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Given the amount of pedos in the republican party it wouldn’t surprise me if they really just wanted kids to be easier to abuse.

They “marry” them first so it’s not abuse. It’s just good old fashioned barefoot and pregnant child brides.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/republican-lawmakers-child-marriage-abortion-1235018777/

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

“But variety is a feature of our system, not a bug.”

And yet here we are allowing the loudest assholes to dictate what is a proper book for a library when a majority of them have never read the entire book & are just parroting paranoia about grooming and other horrific things they imagine as they allegedly read their bible (which lets me honest should NEVER be in a library by the metric of these same assholes but they are legally protected.)

We need to make them watch this…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TrhSsIyYS0

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Librarian says:

BOOK BANNING is a highly subjective term

SOMEBODY must always arbitrarily choose which books are in any library … BECAUSE no library can physically contain the tens of millions of available books.

Thus, any normal library could be accused of BANNING (not choosing) millions of reputable books.

So consider the broader context of actually running a library before tossing out inflammatory terms like BOOK BANNING and CENSORSHIP

there is no fair and objective way to stock a library

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Strawb (profile) says:

Re:

Thus, any normal library could be accused of BANNING (not choosing) millions of reputable books.

Sure, if you’re being disingenuous. Not choosing something is not the same as banning it. One is passive, the other is active.

And in this case, the scenario is people actively wanting books banned(removed) because of their content.

there is no fair and objective way to stock a library

Nobody has claimed there is.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

BOOK BANNING is a highly subjective term

…unless you look at the context of how the term is used, in which case you’ll find that it’s far less subjective than you want us to believe it is.

SOMEBODY must always arbitrarily choose which books are in any library … BECAUSE no library can physically contain the tens of millions of available books.

So what? That’s not what is happening here. The state is asking the library to curate its collection based on complaints from some conservative dipshits over the content of some books.

Thus, any normal library could be accused of BANNING (not choosing) millions of reputable books.

Sure, if⁠—like you⁠—someone wanted to traffic in ridicule-worthy bad faith arguments that ignore facts to focus on vibes.

So consider the broader context of actually running a library before tossing out inflammatory terms like BOOK BANNING and CENSORSHIP

You ask us to do this, and yet you ignore the narrower context of these specific book bans and the likely reasons why the books mentioned were targeted.

there is no fair and objective way to stock a library

Nobody here said there is. But the best libraries offend everybody. Conservatives hate that idea⁠—and if they didn’t, they wouldn’t keep trying to have books about queer people and racism yanked from library shelves in a fit of anger and entitlement that can be expressed with a single sentence: “I don’t like what this book says, so no one else should get to read it.”

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Rocky says:

Re:

Thus, any normal library could be accused of BANNING (not choosing) millions of reputable books.

Well, that’s one of the most inane and stupid things I’ve read this week.

If you don’t understand the difference between not being allowed to choose some books vs having the choice but not exercising it, I’ve a hard time believing that you actually are a librarian.

Your take is equivalent to saying a shop has banned every product they choose not to stock.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

So consider the broader context of actually running a library

Covered under 1A.

Some of us are dimly aware that it costs money to run a library, and those costs are borne from a budget.

Said budget keeps getting slashed and then there are these traitorous “right wingers” who keep making running said library harder via their frivolous lawsuits and “performative” bullshit.

Then again, you probably don’t care even if you are indeed a libriarian because you just want to see the future generation die.

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Real Librarian says:

Re:

You’re correct that libraries have limited space, but that’s absolutely no excuse to not have a variety of books in all genres and allow our customers their choice of what to read instead of taking that choice away from them. At the end of the day, if children’s parents don’t want their kids to read certain books, they need to have that discussion with their kids because its not our job to enforce decisions made within a family.

NerdyCanuck (profile) says:

books can just have comedic value !

these judges don’t seem to get the idea of comedy purely for comedy’s sake. like the “butt and fart” books are clearly just supposed to be funny, and kids like things that are silly and funny. it’s just one type of humour, out of many. since when do all books have to have “serious ideas” in order to be worthwhile?

plus have they ever hung out with 7-10 year olds? they LOVE fart jokes! they think they’re hilarious!!

these people would not last 2 hours with a group of normal kids, man oh man!

NerdyCanuck (profile) says:

Re:

that said, clearly agree that the fart books were just a pretense/gateway ban to get at the stuff they cared alot more about, i.e. history of racism, sexuality, human rights, gay families, etc. I saw an article somewhere recently saying that a lot of the books being banned for being “pornographic” or “LGBT” are actually books that talk about sexual assault! so they literally are trying to silence so many kinds of victims! uggggg

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

the “butt and fart” books are clearly just supposed to be funny, and kids like things that are silly and funny. it’s just one type of humour, out of many. since when do all books have to have “serious ideas” in order to be worthwhile?

Conservatives, like religious fundamentalists, tends to loathe at least one of three things: curiosity, humor, and rhythm. If they don’t loathe one of those concepts, they at least dislike any form of those concepts that clashes with their belief systems. Conservative humor, for example, often punches down at marginalized people and tries to offend “lefties” for the sake of martyring the “comedian” as a victim of “cancel culture” when the backlash happens.

The late Norm MacDonald once said, “Bad comedians say things to make people clap, not laugh.” Butt-and-fart humor may be juvenile to adults, but that’s the whole point: It’s about trying to get a cheap-but-genuine laugh out of people⁠—especially kids. That a few conservative dipshits oppose such humor doesn’t surprise me. Those same dipshits probably tell each other the same two jokes about trans people because they want to make each other clap instead of laugh.

Anomalous Cowherd says:

Wait a second

Sometime around 1400 BCE students in scribal schools in Sumer amused themselves by writing fart jokes. In Sumerian. In cuneiform. Museums have clay tablets from that period documenting these .One example:

Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.

There’s another which I cannot find at the moment thanks to Google’s continuing enshitification which depends on the differences in pronunciation among the various Sumerian city states.

-Anomalous C.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

But it does mean that the book has been made unavailable to the members of the general public who either can’t afford to buy the book or have personal reasons for not being able to check out a given book. (To wit: A gay teen might want to read a book about gay people in a library because they haven’t yet come out to their parents out of fear of the reaction.) If a given citizen doesn’t want to read a certain book or doesn’t want to let their child read that book, they can make that choice for themselves. Book banners want to make that choice for everyone else because they want to enforce their morals and beliefs upon others. Hell, if the conservatives behind the majority of these bans had their way to the fullest, libraries would effectively become churches⁠—because any book that isn’t the Bible, isn’t about the Bible, and isn’t about metaphorically kissing Christianity’s ass would be banned.

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I. M. Triggered says:

Re: Re:

“A gay teen might want to read a book about gay people in a library because they haven’t yet come out to their parents out of fear of the reaction.) If a given citizen doesn’t want to read a certain book or doesn’t want to let their child read that book, they can make that choice for themselves.”

Which is it? The parents making the choice or the kid secretly checking out the book from the library?

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

A gay teen who fears what their parents might do if they find out the teen is gay would obviously try to hide the fact that they’re reading books by/about gay people. To that end, the teen would likely read those books in a library without checking them out to avoid having those books in their home. If the parents ever find out about the teen’s reading habits (and the reason for them), they have the right to keep their child from reading those books, even if that means keeping them from going to the library.

But you already knew that, didn’t you.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Parents have a legal duty to (financially) support their kids until 18 years old, but non-straight kids are often aware of this from as early as the age of ten. Piss poor parents (like you, if you have kids) can subversively force their kids deep into the closet, making it necessary to check out (or just read) certain books in secret.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

The books aren’t banned.

They are if they’re removed from the library for their content. That the books are available outside of the library doesn’t change two key facts:

  1. Books banned from a library for their content are no longer available to patrons who can only access those books by way of the library.
  2. The kind of people who want books banned from libraries are the kind of people who believe they should have the right to control what everyone else can read⁠—to the point where they’re pushing to have books banned from libraries.
I. M. Triggered says:

Re: Re: Re:6

You realize that most libraries have limited space? Especially school libraries.

I am sure that there are lots of authors and books not available in a school library that many parents would love to see in the library. I haven’t heard them crying that their book was ‘banned’ from the library.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Curation by librarians based on non-content factors such as circulation numbers is not the same thing as some right-wing dipshit calling for a book to be removed because said dipshit doesn’t like the content and therefore thinks no one else should have the ability to read that content. You know they’re not the same thing because you’re exactly smart enough to act obtuse and ignorant on purpose so you can believe you made a point.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

It generally takes more than one.

No, it doesn’t. You can find plenty of stories about book bans⁠—especially in Florida⁠—about books being taken off shelves thanks to multiple challenges made by a single person (who is typically a right-wing activist, regardless of whether they’re a parent). In fact, Ron DeSantis signed a bill a couple of months ago that would ostensibly cut down on the amount of challenges to school library books and classroom materials that could be filed by non-parents.

If they could, the GOP would make it possible for one person⁠—a leader who is dear to their hearts, if you will⁠—to decide what books everyone else should have the right to read. Republicans want their voting base to wallow in ignorance so they will believe the lies of men like Donald Trump. That makes duping them into voting against their best interests all the more easier. Conservative voters reading books that open them up to new perspectives and challenge their preconceived notions and prejudices is the opposite of what the GOP wants. If you don’t believe me, go look at who’s responsible for both the book ban laws themselves and the challenges for which those laws allow. But here’s a spoiler: It isn’t Democrats.

Now, are you going to stop being ignorant on purpose, or do you have anything else to say that proves you understand the point but you still want to intentionally act like an idiot because you think that helps you make a point you haven’t yet made?

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Since you apparently want to act like an idiot on purpose and repeat points I’ve already gone over, I’ll treat you like an idiot and repeat my same debunking of your “counterarguments”.

A book removed from a library strictly for its content has been banned from that library regardless of whether people can get that book elsewhere. The point of calling those removals “book bans” is to point out how people who can’t buy the removed books⁠—for any reason⁠—have been robbed of the chance to access those books for themselves. The people who demand those bans are near-exclusively conservatives; they’ve decided that they alone should have the right to decide for everyone else what books everyone can have a chance to read. The best libraries offend everyone; the worst libraries are those the GOP wants to create (if they’re even interested in keeping libraries intact at all). Repeating the same debunked “arguments” over and over like they’re magic spells won’t make those “arguments” any more effective than they already are, and it certainly won’t make you look smarter.

If you have a counterargument that isn’t a repeat of bullshit you’ve said before and covers ground that I haven’t already covered, you feel free to offer it. But if you plan to repeat your “act like a moron” schtick because you want to farm engagement that gets you a microdose of serotonin, do both of us a favor, you sweet summer fetus, and shut the fuck up when grown folks are talking.

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