How Dare Signal Protect Its Users From Surveillance, Asks Ethicist Who Advises The FBI
from the stupid-on-main dept
Oh, man. This is just dumb as fuck. There’s no way around it. The New York Times seems extremely willing to suffer fools (especially its own!) Here’s yet another fool given prime internet/printed real estate to push bad ideas, worse arguments, and absurd conclusions.
This time it’s Reid Blackman, a self-described “ethicist” who focuses on AI and other tech issues. He’s also a government consultant:
His work, which includes advising and speaking to organizations including AWS, US Bank, the FBI, NASA, and the World Economic Forum, has been profiled by The Wall Street Journal, the BBC, and Forbes.
We’ll just pause at “FBI.” Perhaps it’s not the fault of its many advisors and consultants, but the FBI is the most backwards of federal agencies. It has advocated against device encryption and end-to-end encryption, despite spending those same years lying about the alleged “threat” posed by encryption. The FBI is full of shit. And people like Blackman aren’t making it any less shitty.
Back to Blackman, who appears to believe tech companies are ethically and morally obligated to make it easier for governments (even the bad ones!) to obtain information about customers and users. His target is Signal, which has refused to collect metadata on the users of its encrypted messaging service.
This decision has frustrated some US law enforcement agencies, which have demanded Signal turn over information it does not possess. That seems to bother Reid Blackman, who has inexplicably been given space in the New York Times to say a bunch of stupid stuff about Signal.
His editorial starts with complaints about Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey expressing support for Signal and its willingness to allow users to avoid government surveillance and interference. Dorsey put his money where his well-bearded mouth is: he has pledged to give $1 million a year to the nonprofit running Signal.
Cue Blackman’s irking:
Mr. Dorsey is promoting one of the most potent and fashionable notions in Silicon Valley: that a technology free of corporate and government control is in the best interest of society.
Just let that soak in for a bit. We all may agree many tech companies are, at best, problematic. That comes with the millions/billions of users territory, though. You can’t make everyone happy. You can’t solve all moderation problems. And you can definitely abuse your access to demographic data to monetize the hell out of everyone that utilizes your services, even when such actions are decried and adamantly opposed by your users.
But the flipside of Blackman’s assertion is that society would be better off with the government directly regulating tech companies, even if this regulation would violate Constitutional rights. (Fun fact: Blackman’s op-ed never mentions the Constitutional rights of users or the private companies they choose to utilize!)
Signal is a bit evil, argues Blackman (but without the intestinal fortitude to use strong words like “evil”). Unlike other providers of encrypted messaging services (Apple, Facebook, WhatsApp), Signal doesn’t feel the need to provide the “state corporate surveillance” (in Signal’s own words) regime that currently allows government agencies to acquire metadata in lieu of encrypted communications.
Signal… refrains from collecting metadata about its users. The company doesn’t know the identity of users, which users are talking to each other or who is in a group message. It also allows users to set timers that automatically delete messages from the sender’s and receiver’s respective accounts.
Rather than respecting the nonprofit’s decision to protect users, Blackman argues this somehow isn’t right (in the ethical or moral sense). And he does this despite admitting there are plenty of people who directly benefit from governments (not just our own!) being unable to obtain metadata it can use to identify targets and the people they communicate with.
This level of privacy can be beneficial on a number of fronts. For instance, Signal is used by journalists to communicate with confidential sources.
An acknowledgment of Signal’s value. But one followed immediately by Blackman’s claim that the negatives outweigh the positives.
But it is no coincidence that criminals have also used this government-evading technology. When the F.B.I. arrested several Oath Keepers for rioting at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, one of its primary pieces of evidence was messages on Signal.
LOL. Come on, Reid. Your point is undercut by the same thing you’re using to support your claims. “One of its primary pieces of evidence was messages on Signal.” So, the FBI was able to obtain evidence to use against suspects despite Signal not collecting user metadata and offering E2EE.
This much is extremely obvious: encryption doesn’t stymie as many investigations as the FBI claims. And even without access to metadata, investigators are able to compile enough evidence from Signal users to move forward with prosecutions. So, Signal’s decision to refuse to collect metadata appears to have almost no effect on law enforcement.
Despite undermining the premise of his op-ed, Blackman continues.
The ethical universe, according to Signal, is simple: The privacy of individuals must be respected above all else, come what may. If terrorists or child abusers or other criminals use the app, or one like it, to coordinate activities or share child sexual abuse imagery behind impenetrable closed doors, that’s a shame — but privacy is all that matters.
One should always worry when a person or an organization places one value above all. The moral fabric of our world is complex. It’s nuanced. Sensitivity to moral nuance is difficult, but unwavering support of one principle to rule them all is morally dangerous.
His op-ed started with Signal and the premise that it needs to be directly regulated into compiling information governments (even the evil ones!) desire access to. Several paragraphs and disconnected assertions later, Blackman is now speaking about “or one like it” — a phrase that covers any service that isn’t immediately an open book to government agencies.
This slippery speaking about slippery slopes is hilarious because Blackman goes on to claim (with zero evidence) forcing tech companies to gather info for no other reason than governments might want it won’t lead to mission creep, abuse, or the greasing of slope that would compound surveillance abuses.
Blackman likes his broad brush. He doesn’t care for Signal’s brush, though. And he argues, with an apparently straight face, that just because the US hasn’t abused surveillance programs the way historical dictators have, Signal has no right to refuse to collect metadata on users.
To the company, surveillance covers everything from a server holding encrypted data that no one looks at to a law enforcement agent reading data after obtaining a warrant to East Germany randomly tapping citizens’ phones. One cannot think carefully about the value of privacy — including its relative importance to other values in particular contexts — with such a broad brush.
It’s not quite “Hey, at least we’re not Hitler.” But it’s less than a half-decade away from that argument. “Not quite the Stasi” is not a persuasive argument, especially when Signal’s customers aren’t all located in the United States. Many of them are located in countries where domestic surveillance and targeting of government critics, journalists, and opposition leaders is so common it’s much more comparable to the Stasi. Blackman’s view of the issues at hand is not only dim, it’s blinkered.
If you think it can’t get any stupider, well… you just don’t know Blackman. Signal is asking other tech companies to collect less data on their users, even if it means they may be slightly less profitable. Blackman claims (again without evidence) Signal’s views on data collection may not reflect the views of its users. And this (alleged) disconnection means Signal is co-opting users to push privacy initiatives they may not fully support. Somehow, this desire to actively protect users is the equivalent of lying to users, according to Blackman.
Signal’s users may not be the product, but they are the witting or unwitting advocates of the moral views of the 40 or so people who operate Signal.
There’s something somewhat sneaky in all this (though I don’t think the owners of Signal intend to be sneaky). Usually advocates know that they’re advocates.
This isn’t like buying corn dogs and later finding out State Fair is donating money to legislators whose politics you don’t agree with. This is a company doing everything it can to ensure the security and privacy of its users, even if some may not be aware of the extent of the protection or the nonprofit’s desire to make this a messaging service standard everywhere. I think most people assume, however incorrectly (depending on the service), that messaging services will provide them with secure, private connections with other people. Finding out their provider does more than most to protect them isn’t going to make them think their provider was misleading them.
Somehow, this random assortment of phrases, clauses, and self-destructing assertions leads Blackman to arrive at this conclusion:
So I am not convinced we are really getting more freedom and “for the people by the people” by way of our technology overlords. Instead, we have a technologically driven shift of power to ideological individuals and organizations whose lack of appreciation for moral nuance and good governance puts us all at risk.
Great. You’re not convinced. So what. Go harass family members, bartenders, and Uber drivers with your “technology overlords” claptrap. But leave the rest of us out of it. Saying things like “moral nuance” and “good governance” is meaningless in the context of this op-ed. There is no middle ground. And that’s on you, Reid. You somehow think companies can provide less security and privacy to criminals while still protecting the thousands or millions of non-criminals utilizing these services.
You appear to believe the government is more trustworthy than private companies that also want to increase their power and influence. That you come down on the side of the powers rather than the Constitutional rights is absurd, especially when you present yourself as an “ethicist.” This op-ed looks at all the issues and decides the government can do a better job protecting people than private companies, especially when it’s allowed to demand access to metadata without even having to consult a judge. You’re arguing that self-contained, self-regulating government surveillance is far better for people than tech companies that actually prioritize security and privacy. What a fucking joke.
Filed Under: encryption, fbi, governments, metadata, privacy, reid blackman, signal, surveillance
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Comments on “How Dare Signal Protect Its Users From Surveillance, Asks Ethicist Who Advises The FBI”
To those who think encryption of private communications should be banned, I remind them of two people, J. Edgar Hoover, and Senator Joseph McCarthy. Just imagine what those two would have done id they had access to modern electronic communications that was not prote4cted from their prying eyes and boundless ambition.
Maybe Reid Blackman should tell anyone marginalized by the government (e.g. Sex Workers, LGBTQ+ people, BiPOC people) that strong encryption should be banned. I can’t see it going over well.
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It won’t go over well… For the marginalized, anyway. Blackman will be entirely insulated from the consequences if he wishes it. There’s no incentive for him to do otherwise.
… except that every user of Signal went out of their way to use a third-party application instead of a built-in SMS handling app provided by the OS.
That’s approval of Signal as a whole.
Users might not approve of every opinion Signal has? Well, I don’t approve of every bill that comes out of the legislature, or even every bill my congresscritter signs. If it reaches a point I can’t stand, I can have my congresscritter recalled, or uninstall the app. Simple as that.
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Yeah they shoot their own argument in the back by both claiming that people are using Signal because of it’s privacy features and don’t agree with it’s stance on user privacy.
Can’t have it both ways, either the users choose it because they think privacy is important or they don’t and are just using it by coincidence.
Re: recall provisions
Here in the States, we do not have a provision to recall congress critters.
At the moment they are having trouble deciding which of them ought to lead. Until they accomplish that, there is no speaker to swear in the new ones.
So how is it, then, that the un-sworn-in new critters get to vote for speaker? You might have to ask them. But remember, no matter how bad they are, amd what they do beyond their legitimate authority, here in the States you do not get to recall them.
'How dare you close the curtains, I was looking in those!'
I love how a company that collects as little as possible information on their users as they can get away with, and who is trying to get other companies to likewise collect less data is being held up as an example of ‘technology overlords’. Let all cower in fear from the overlords that want less power over you!
‘One should always worry when a person or an organization places one value above all. The moral fabric of our world is complex. It’s nuanced. Sensitivity to moral nuance is difficult, but unwavering support of one principle to rule them all is morally dangerous.’
Like perhaps the ‘value’ that the government should be able to access private data on whoever they want, which should be as extensive as possible, on demand?
Between ‘Privacy is good, even if it protects bad people sometimes’ and ‘Privacy is terrible, scrap it so it’s easier to go after bad people even if that screws over way more innocent people’ I know which one I find less ‘morally dangerous’.
I’m fascinated that when individuals or groups complain about lack of access to communications, they spend so much time focusing on ‘new’ forms of communication that do not look more traditional. What makes newer communications more dangerous than traditional means of communication? Could there be a reason they don’t advocate for the same levels of government access for all methods of communication – why not record all phone calls, put cameras and microphones in all dwellings, etc?
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The NSA is way, way ahead of you.
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Isn’t that achieved via ring devices, mobile phones, laptops and tablets? All that stands between the government using them and privacy is encryption, and companies not giving in to government demands.
Expecting moral nuance and good governance out of the U.S. government is a hell of a lot of wishful thinking. I mean, one party is actively opposed to performing actual governance in any form.
Re: Reversing cause and effect there
It also ignores that maybe the reason behind a push towards privacy is because the USG has shown that it can’t be trusted to engage in ‘good governance’.
Meredith Whittaker:
Those comments!
I read the Times daily, and have never seen any editorial be met with such complete disdain by readers in the comments section. The response is pretty wonderful.
Not the Most, Just Highest Profile
“…but the FBI is the most backwards of federal agencies …”
Sorry I have to take exception to this statement. While the FBI is certainly a major contender in the backward race, IRS, and FAA among others are more backward. It’s just that the FBI is very high profile in the wrong way olympics.
Lol
500+ comments confirming the stupidity of that piece. The self-proclaimed “digital ethicist” author doesn’t seem to care much about ethics, or the constitution for that matter.
“Child porn is the root password to the Constitution.” – Old Cypherpunk quote
Inverse relationship between right-to-privacy and ease-of-violating-privacy
A key element of the rationale for the type of argument that Blackman makes is that surveillance (especially of metadata) is easy, not that it’s right.
Compared to other potential crime-stopping methods, technology can make it easy to gather incriminating data: have everyone carry a tracking device (phone — done!), monitor all internet traffic at its choke points (done!), and ensure that providers of technological services collect useful data that can be accessed by law enforcement (in progress). By doing these comparatively easy things, law enforcement can obtain a tsunami of actionable intelligence.
I said “comparatively” because I can envision many other steps that would greatly aid in crime-solving, but which are much more problematic. What if the government demanded that all car manufacturers collect and store location data and images and audio from inside and outside the vehicle? And that a hurdle in approving building permits required that home builders install audio/video recording equipment from every room in every domicile, and with Ring-like doorbell cameras in at every point of egress, with data logged with a third party in case it becomes important for crime-solving? And that every business or government entity (including, say, schools) was forced to collect similar audiovisual data about people entering or passing by their property, including the capture of high-resolution images suitable for facial recognition, along with identifying information for every mobile device passing through? And that local governments had to blanket the town with enough surveillance equipment to make it impossible for two people to have a private conversation in any public location?
Those latter ideas would surely help law enforcement solve more crimes, especially crimes against children. But in addition to raising serious constitutional issues, many (not all) of these ideas are simply impractical to implement. And yet, they are quite similar in concept to requiring that companies like Signal capture and store metadata, or provide a means to circumvent encryption. But the distinction arises when some folks (like Blackman, and the FBI/NSA) believe that the degree of privacy that people have a right to expect depends upon how easy and practical it is to violate that privacy.
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Wouldn’t that be just another porn site?
Where are those commenters...?
Last week people were going on and on about how Techdirt was an FBI shill/front/lover/etc.
And yet those commenters are no where to be found on this one…
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They’re trying to work out which overlord you are shilling for here. Signal really doesn’t cut it in the overlord department like teh goog or teh feds†, but they’ll think of something.
†Teh feds are terrible except for all the times they are useful for a narrative. Somehow unlike other cops, where this is somehow inverted.
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They are on signal.
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No the FBI and the former Twitter executives that paid Mike’s mortgage where evidently on Signal.
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… said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
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Poor, stupid, and pig ignorant, is no way to go through life bro.
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Because it has little to do with you sucking the FBI’s dick in a vacuum, but that you love censorship, hate Musk cuz he opposes it, and are totally willing to suck FBI’s dick if it serves the greater interest of (very poorly) shitting on Musk?
What part of this did you not get, you stupid fuck?
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Elon opposes what now?
I was unaware that Elon liked 1A or property rights. I mean, this is the man who thinks the world should bow down to white people, after all…
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I’d stipulate ‘white people who can afford a Tesla’.
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Right, my bad.
His mind has never gotten away from Apartheid-era Africa…
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Please point to evidence of Masnick sucking FBI’s dick.
As evidenced by the fact that pretty much all posts on his website are left up? Please start turning on your brain before posting in here.
Musk literally had accounts removed from Twitter because he didn’t like what they posted. You’re delusional.
Again, please point to evidence of this.
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Even your strawmen think you are a stupid fuck.
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Chozen must be hoping he can use the Fucker Carlson defense for his defamatory claims against Mike here.
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To be fair, no one here has ever taken him seriously, so…
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How about the parts you made up to give yourself a strawman version of Mike to knock down, piss on, and set aflame because you wanted to be right more than you wanted to be correct?
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When you make crybabby like like the adult in the room, you know you are a little bitch.
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Re: BigTech Shill
We said you are a BigTech shill. So when your bosses are colluding with the FBI to violate the rights of its users you defend it. Not for the sake of the FBI but the sake of your rich BigTech patrons.
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Can you cite an article from Techdirt that defends such a practice?
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You should branch out with the conspiracy stuff. I heard mike was in a cabel with the grey aliens against the mole people.
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Mike is actually the guy who shot JFK from the grassy knoll after he travelled through time thanks to the Large Hadron Collider, the fortuitous alignment of several planets, and a jar of Danny Devito’s piss. The government doesn’t want you to know because getting Mike back required them to swap Donald Trump Jr. for Mike. (That’s also why the Don Jr. we know today appears to be on crack all the time: It’s a Life Model Decoy in beta testing.)
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That Mike is a piece of shit who lives on BigTech handouts isn’t some conspiracy.
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… it’s a demented hallucination.
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Re: First Principles
Like I have said like all sociopaths/psychopaths you have no first principles so its not surprising to see you, a sociopathy shilling for the FBI on behalf of BigTech on a Wednesday, and criticizing the FBI on a Friday.
When you understand you pathology its not surprising at all. Sociopaths believe in nothing but themselves. The inconsistency is consistent with your pathology.
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Oh look at the hot psych take from the boi who failed to graduate high school over here.
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I’m sure they’re just on vacation.
I look forward to Mr. Blackman posting his browser history online.
No not the cleaned up one, the real one.
Until he’s willing to do that perhaps he should STFU.
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I remember Cory Doctorow having an analogy on the subject: “There’s a difference between privacy and secrecy. What I’m doing in the bathroom stall isn’t a secret. But it is private. That’s why there’s a door on the stall.”
So… his position is “I will hurt millions to save thousands, but not absolutely trusting a handful of proven dangers among thousands to save billions is IMMORAL”, he sounds like a terrific bloke.
I wonder if he has ine of those “non-existent” licenses for Pegasus…
My understanding of philosophy and ethics are rudimentary and self-taught at best, but wouldn’t the ethical option be to get the fucking warrant if the FBI has reason to believe that Signal might have been used to commit crimes?
I dunno, I’m not a philosopher with motivated reasoning…
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Signal is not keeping the Metadata that the FBI would like to obtain by warrant, and they do not have the keys to read the messages either. We can’t help you is not what the FBI likes to hear,
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Well, the article said they could get the messages just fine so…
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You are missing the from one of the user devices part of that statement. It does not matter how good the encryption is, if the your, or the person you are talking, device is compromised, or contains the plain text of messages when it is searched. Neither Signal, or a failure of the signal system were involved in those messages being obtained.