Elon’s Promise Not To Ban Account Tracking His Jet Didn’t Last Very Long At All; Also Bans Guy’s Personal Account
from the hypocritical-oaf dept
Hilarious Update: A few minutes ago, the @ElonJet account returned to Twitter, but that came about 20 minutes after Elon himself justified the ban, saying it violated the company’s (new) doxxing policies (see the original update to this story at the bottom. Hilarious Update 2: And, a couple hours later, the account was suspended a second time. Anyway, in the meantime, the original post is here:
Earlier this week, we wrote about how Elon Musk had secretly applied the strongest visibility filter (what some people insist on calling “shadowbanning”) to the ElonJet account on Twitter (which automatically noted where Elon’s private plane was flying), which he had promised not to ban due to his apparent “commitment to free speech.”
The guy behind ElonJet had revealed, based on a Twitter insider whistleblower that new head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin had demanded the heaviest “visibility filter” be applied to ElonJet (VF stands for “visibility filter.”)
On Wednesday morning, despite all of this the @ElonJet account was suspended:
Later in the day, the guy behind it, Jack Sweeney, announced that all of his accounts, including his personal account had been banned as well:
Over on Mastodon, Sweeney shared the message Twitter sent him to explain why he was banned. It… seems like made up bullshit.
If you can’t see that it says:
Your account, JxckSweeney has been suspended for violating the Twitter Rules.
Specifically, for:
Violating our rules against platform manipulation and spam.
And… what? Platform manipulation? Spam? Yeah, sure okay.
Now, as with any content moderation decision, we do like to keep reminding people that decisions are often made for reasons that aren’t entirely public or clear. So perhaps there’s some other explanation for this. Or it was a mistake. Or somehow Elon’s big new plans to stop spam (which banned tons of legitimate accounts earlier this week) are responsible for this.
But, on the whole, it once again raises some pretty obvious concerns about how the “new management” is handling these kinds of things — and the pure hypocrisy of Elon.
Indeed, the fact that anyone linking to the ElonJet account on Facebook or Instagram are being warned that it “may be unsafe” indicates that this is deliberate suppression:
Of course, all this has done in practice is call way, way, way more attention to Elon’s hypocrisy on this topic. Tons of major media publications are covering the story. And even the “Community Notes” feature, which Elon keeps talking up and renamed from the former “Birdwatch” has now attached a note on Elon’s old tweet promising not to remove the account:
So, hey, when do we get the “Twitter Files” with the internal discussion on this removal? C’mon Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss. Do some real reporting for once.
Update: So… apparently yesterday, Elon’s Twitter quietly updated its policy against sharing or private info to explicitly block sharing live location info:
It does not appear this policy is particularly well thought out, as it would appear to ban any tweet of anyone’s live information. So, reporting on the location of, say, the President. Or posting a selfie with some friends. Or, just noting that you saw so-and-so at this or that location. All now violates Twitter’s policies. Oh yeah, also, Twitter’s built in functionality that allows users to post their own location.
In the old days, at least, policy changes like this would have a team of people thinking through the consequences. But these days, it seems to just be based on Elon’s whims and little else.
Filed Under: content moderation, elon musk, elonjet, free speech, hypocrisy, jack sweeney
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Quod licet Jovi...
Twitter: It’s really, really bad if you share other people’s location information. If you do, we will ban your account.
Also Twitter: We are going to force you to share your location information with our advertisers.
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It would kind of funny if hundreds of people took screenshots of the tracking data every day from Mastodon and posted them to their personal accounts on Twitter.
Not that suggesting anybody do that.
One could make a claim that Elonjet was technically doxxing and could put quite a few people at risk (like, for example, the pilots and the cabin crew)…
But the banning of the personal account as well?
That speaks more about Elon’s actual stance on free speech than banning Elonjet.
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If one did, it would only reveal one’s complete and total ignorance of what doxxing is.
Risk of what? Bands of roving gangs that hang on every tweet, ready to mobilize at a moment’s notice? How often does this happen? Every day? Once a year? Never?
Public information is public, and SCOTUS (at least the sane version of the court) has ruled over and over that there is no expectation of privacy in public.
Elon can (and probably does) employ a security detail. If he doesn’t want to be tracked, he can take a bus or even (shudder) get a first class ticket on American Airlines.
Constructive suggestion
Based on this I’m gonna guess the “What is in violation of this policy” section is going to get much longer over time. I suggest changing it to the more accurate “anything that gets under Musks thin skin” then never have to change it again, just trying to help.
Hey Alex Berenson, that’s Promissory Estoppel right?
ElonJet should sue…
He really did mess it up.
Seriously, as a real free speech absolutist, I really am saddened by this news. It doesn’t matter if it’s government doing the censoring or a global corporation, censorship is censorship, no matter who is doing it.
I was against the previous Twitter owners doing what they did and what Musk just did is just as bad, if not worse (at least previous Twitter owners didn’t target specific people, just conservatives in general, not so with Elon here).
I am ashamed that he decided that this was the best course of action (especially since Jack was willing to sell that account and the bot, just not for 5,000 he was offered – and whatever his price might’ve been, Elon could definitely afford to pay it), especially since he used to call himself a free speech absolutist, which he has just proven he is certainly not.
My only hope is that he’ll let someone who is ACTUAL free speech absolutist take over. Twitter doesn’t need ads to stay afloat, a substack or patreon model with Twitter taking % of all donations to users would work just as well and then Twitter wouldn’t have to worry about what advertisers may deem acceptable or not, while keeping the site free to use.
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You shouldn’t be. After all, people like you always keep reminding people like me of the whole “if you don’t like it, go somewhere else” thing people like me keep saying to people like you. If you don’t like how Musk is running Twitter, I assure you that he doesn’t give a fuck—and that you can leave Twitter any time you want.
Also: That you’re seeing the “Worst People” Problem play out in real time and lamenting how it’s turning out might be a sign that free speech absolutism isn’t exactly that great of an ideology.
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I’d love to know about “the ‘worst people’ problem”, but when I follow your link I get this:
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Maybe you should learn about this nifty thing called the Internet Archive. (Also: I had no idea that they’d protected their account, but thanks for the unintentional heads-up on that.) But regardless of whether you’re willing to do that, here’s the full text of that thread anyway:
What you’re seeing with Musk!Twitter is a unique form of this problem: The “better” platform is being more welcoming to the “worst people” and refusing to give a shit about who those “worst people” chase off. This is why a not-zero number of people have abandoned Twitter (or at least lessened their use of it) in favor of platforms such as Tumblr and Mastodon instances. And I know this might come as a shock to you, but those people, by and large, aren’t conservatives.
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Thanks for the answer. I definitely need to take more advantage of the Internet Archive.
Not surprised at all that the people abandoning Twitter are mostly not conservative, and not sure why you’d think I thought otherwise.
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According to the Internet Archive, it is:
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He locked his twitter account so only people that have already been following him are allowed to view the posts.
Here it is as I can still view it:
“Splinter platforms like Parler always suffer from a malady I’m calling it the “worst people problem.” Basically, a platform that exists to provide a home for those who’s shitty behavior was unwelcome elsewhere will be composed almost entirely of people who are…just the worst.
This was a problem with every YouTube clone. And it’s more than just “ugh, these people suck.”
They are assholes, so they’re hard to make a product for. They’re always angry and always on the hunt for ways that they can manipulate, and that means often turning on the platform.
They build a culture of being mean and combative, of course, but it’s actually only fun to be mean to people who are behaving like normal humans. It actually isn’t any fun to be a total shitbag edgelord when everyone around you is also a total shitbag edgelord.
And since there is always a better platform waiting with more features and a better culture (the one everyone initially fled), all but the worst / most invested people tire of it and leave. The Worst People Problem has insta-killed like 5 different YouTube clones over the years.”
Re: Re: Worst People Fallacy
The mere fact that these people were chased off the platform, even though nothing they’ve posted were actually illegal (and even then, the accounts shouldn’t be locked/deleted, but the evidence preserved and authorities notified of potential illegal behavior) is a problem in and unto itself.
They should be allowed to keep posting so the people can decide for themselves whether they are a-holes or not (and if they are, nobody forces them to actually read their posts, the easily offended can just mute and block them).
On top of that, the alternative platforms fail not because of the users being a-holes, but because all the celebrities they care about being on the incumbent platform (really not that different from US telecom situation, or as I call it, the Comrizon&T problem). Let’s say that that suddenly tomorrow Mr. Beast, Pewdiepie and Markiplier leave Youtube, say, for Rumble. People would stop watching youtube (at least the millions that care about Pewdiepie’s, Markiplier’s and Pewdiepie’s content). They would go to rumble. Obviously Rumble’s servers would have temporary availability problem, but then YouTube will be just as popular as Google Video was when Google decided to buy YouTube. Or like MySpace after Facebook was created.
Another reason these platforms fail is because of preaching to the choir situation. Basically, the person you are watching, reading or listening to, is saying stuff you already know or agree with, you are not exposed to any new ideas or new knowledge and this is what we cal a huge waste of time, because who needs or wants people telling them what they already know?
Elon obviously knows both of the above and knew full well that if he’d make yet another social network, it would fail for these reason (celebs not using it, meaning people having no reason to follow them there) and would suffer from a huge echo chamber problem. That’s why he bought Twitter instead, a well established social network that was relatively cheap to purchase.
Oh, and also he unbanned ElonJet. It was a mistake after all and as Masnick said, moderation at scale is impossible (I agree with him on that one, just not on what should be done with that, my reasoning is if something is impossible to do – and your name is not Sisyphus, why do it at all, his reasoning of what to do with moderation being impossible is of course different).
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Whether to stay on the platform or go somewhere where they are being attacked all the time. Soon any platform that allows unrestricted speech becomes no fun for the people shouting loudest for free speech, as the targets of their speech move away to avoid them.
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They should be allowed to keep posting so the people can decide for themselves whether they are a-holes or not (and if they are, nobody forces them to actually read their posts, the easily offended can just mute and block them).
Damn right, just like how clubs and bars should stop telling the racists, sexists, and obnoxious drunks to shape up or get out, because who doesn’t want to share a room with those people?
… Oh, right, everyone who doesn’t want to hang around with scum like that, and who would likely leave the room if being harassed and/or being around assholes was the cost of being there, costing the business/platform customers/users at ever increasing numbers until the only people left are the assholes.
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“That’s why he bought Twitter instead, a well established social network that was relatively cheap to purchase.”
Wha . . . What?
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Compared to buying other successful social sites, like Facebook or Youtube, Twitter was a steal, even at the $44b mark.
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Repeating the same wrong thing over and over again will not suddenly make it any less wrong.
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You say this, but when Microsoft paid Ninja a shitload of money to jump ship from Twitch to Mixer, that didn’t translate into his entire userbase jumping ship with him. (It also didn’t save Mixer.) Any change like that is going to come with a dip in viewership because people don’t like upending their routines.
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You do realize that both 4chan and 8kun both still exist and are just the exact thing you’re clamoring for, right?
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4chan still has moderation (the 4chan jannies being a site-wide joke) and 8kun is not on the clearweb.
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4chan still has moderation (the 4chan jannies being a site-wide joke) and 8kun is not on the clearweb.
… they pointed out that what you’re asking for is already out there in the form of those two platforms and you first response is noting that the first still engages in moderation? Just to be very clear are you wanting something with less moderation than 4chan?
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4chan’s moderation is a fucking joke, ie, doesn’t actually happen most of the time.
Crossboard raids WERE common occurences, the place is legitimately toxic in a few places, and not even being under FBI surveilance didn’t stop 4chan from being a white supremacist shithole.
Oh yeah, the larger community HATES /pol/ because it IS a white supremacist shitpit.
8chan/8kun only happened when moot put his foot down and said “NO GAMERGATE BULLSHIT”. And it got yeeted off the visible web.
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Every site has moderation. Because they’re required to by the various laws out there.
But their moderation is extremely light, about as light as is legal possible.
Which kind of begs the question about what you really want to post ans see from social media sites.
But even still, if that type of moderation is what most people actually want, those sites wouldn’t be the pariahs that they are and would be teeming with people and hugely financially successful.
But they’re not.
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You think pretty highly of yourself, don’t you.
I’d like to buy you for what you’re really worth, then sell you for what you think you’re worth. The IRS would have to invent a new tax bracket for the insane profit I’d make.
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The owners of the platform decided for themselves some posters were a-holes and blocked them. Simple concept, huh?
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“…might be a sign that free speech absolutism isn’t exactly that great of an ideology.”
Just like Libertarianism, great for the mega-wealthy. not so great for everyone else.
Re: $5,000 he was offered – and whatever his price might’ve been
Jack offered to drop the account if Musk gave him a new Tesla (automobile). Musk decided that would be a bad precedent, unlike GW
GWB: “We will do everything that we can to get them released, but we will not pay blackmail.”
GW did pay a ransom, almost half of the US treasury at the time, “The war ended in 1795 when the U.S concluded a treaty with his successor that paid $21,600 annually to Algiers” (The Sultan had kidnapped a bunch of American ships) see https://www.jstor.org/stable/3124419
or
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/barbary-wars
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“Free speech absolutist”, what does that even mean? It doesn’t mean anything, it’s just words put together.
Well, it does matter because it’s only a question about free if there is coercion involved. Governments have the power of the state including the use of violence. A corporation, even global, can’t coerce you.
The “Twitter files”, apart from endangering their own current or former employees, have actually shown that Twitter did not target conservatives. Or engaged in First amendment violations.
Re: Re: coersion
Of course it can. That was the main function of the Pinkerton agency.
Of course it can. That was the main function of credit reporting agencies.
It should be noted that other private jet reporting accounts were banned a notable amount of time AFTER @elonjet was banned.
Looks like using twitter to call in assistance for someone could get you banned. How about answering a question like where did he a=say he was going, when someone is off the mobile network, id that now a bannable offense?
Re: Even better
Using the Twitter app with a specific setting active should get you banned with that no live location data rule.
the specific checkbox is:
Settings->Privacy & Safety->Data Sharing->Location Information->Add Location Information
That one adds your location to every Tweet you make through the app. I’m wondering how long it will take for Musk to realize that..
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Seriously, stop talking about Musk and twitter
You’re not qualified.
Re: Seriously, stop leaving moronic comments on Techdirt
You’re not qualified.
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….is this the third grade?
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You would know, wouldn’t you?
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You put actual children to shame.
Actual children, at least, back off when told to do so.
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It is, whenever you show up.
Re: Re: Quod licet Jovi...
Twitter: It’s really, really bad if you share other people’s location information. If you do, we will ban your account.
Also Twitter: We are going to force you to share your location information with our advertisers.
Re: Re: ah contraire
OP is posting a moronic comment and is well qualified to do so.
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You seem really mad that I’m reporting accurately on Twitter. I wonder why.
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Re: Re: Not Really Acucrate
You leave out that the account was an automated bot which is still and has always been a violation far outside of free speech.
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Oh, I can’t wait to see you prove that one, especially since:
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Ahh, wrong.
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How are you so fucking wrong all the time??
With your public housing idiocy, to your stupidity with trespass laws, your moronic grasp of threaded comment sections, and not to mention how wrong you were about DirecTV being forced to carry OAN.
But this one takes the cake. I triple dog dare you to cite a single law or court case that states bots are outside of 1st amendment protections.
I’ll wait….
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are you still here, Matty? You must be a glutton for abuse.
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u mad? 😁
Speed running going as well as could be expected then
Which level is he on now?
And which of his fanboys will call him a gutless wonder over it?
{Hint: the answer is none. None of them will call him out.)
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Still 1.
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Re: Yep
Yep he tried sucking up to Musk originally. I bet behind the scenes he was told to go fuck himself.
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Mike must have a castle where he lives rent free in your head dude.
ElonJet is back...
Added an update, as the account is now back on Twitter, about 20 minutes after Elon himself posted a tweet justifying the deletion of the account, saying it banned Twitter’s doxxing policy (he left out that he had just updated that policy hours earlier).
Once again, it’s becoming evident that there’s no thought process or planning going into this. Just whims and vibes.
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That must make potential advertisers and investors feel so reassured 🙁
Re: And... it's gone again
This is kind of hilarious. The account came back an hour ago… and then just got banned again.
It’s almost as if Elon has no fucking clue what he’s doing.
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How many more times will the account switch between banned and unbanned before Musk finally makes up his mind?
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He’ll do it so many times people lose track of the status then when it’s brought up in future, his weird fanboys can go ‘Nuh huh, he unbanned them!’ knowing most people can’t be bothered to check if that still holds true.
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There’s no “almost” here. He has no fucking clue what he’s doing—and he’s proud of it.
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No “as if”, either, but that’s how comic understatement works.
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How dare you make my joke more accurate. HOW DARE.
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….you mean like before? Cuz “whims and vibes” was what was going on before (Oh also “fuck everyone who disagrees with me”). You can at least credit Musk with being new to this.
I get it, you hate him cuz he disagrees with you and is successful..that’s not a thesis, tho.
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No, Twitter actually tended to have some thought behind their actions before.
Stop projecting.
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I wasn’t aware that a team of people having a whole-ass discussion about whether to ban Donald Trump post-insurrection was, in fact, one person operating Twitter on their personal “whims and vibes”.
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What’s Twitter’s policy on calling former Twitter employees pedophiles so that they face harassment and threats and are forced into hiding?
I’m just kidding. It’s the same as Twitter’s policy on everything else: “It’s okay when Musk does it.”
The other accounts
Who wants to bet that his other accounts got banned because Elon managed to Streisand Effect the hell out of the elonjet account?
“There has been a giant surge in mentions for the account we just banned. It must be because the related accounts are manipulating the platform, not because people think our ban is notable…”
'Why is everyone being so mean to me? I'm rich, this isn't fair!'
Musk: I’m all for free speech, I will explicitly not ban that account.
Five seconds later
Musk: Ban that account.
Musk: Crap, everyone is tearing into me for being a raging hypocrite, unban the account!
Five seconds later
Musk: … that should be long enough for people to have moved on to covering something else, ban it again!
interview
I would literally pay to watch an interview where someone directly asks him about this bullshit lying.
‘So you said X, but did Y, please explain’
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That used to be called journalism
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Elon: “You’re a pedophile.”
Re: Re: Elon likely himself a pedophile
Just to note that not only is there a photograph of Elon with Ghiselane Maxwell photobombing, but I saw a tweet showing Elon’s jet going to Epstein’s island about 10 times.
That’s not really proof, but it’s very suggestive.
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Pedophile, maybe not, but ephebophile? I could believe that. Either way, the odds that the richest man in the world at least sexually assaulted someone who was under the age of consent are above zero.
Booooo!
His responses and flip flops are almost as if he appeared before an audience and was boooooed!
Oh wait…
Prove he's not a Free Speech Absolutist
Seems to me that the best thing anyone can do right now is get themselves banned from Twitter.
Flight radar is public info people can look it up themselves. Even CIA jets can and have been traced. If Twitter thinks that’s doxxing they should take it up with the FAA.
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Tell the WHOLE story, not just what is good for headlines to bash him. He posted that someone stalked the vehicle that picked his kid up from his private jet, blocked the car thinking he (Elon) was in the car and jumped on the hood. I’d be pissed too if someone screwed with my kid.
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Independent verification or it didn’t happen.
No reason to believe anything the guy says.
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Weird how that’s only an issue when it happens to Musk and not, say, Yoel Roth
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Why in hell do you feel the need to come in here and defend Elmo Musk?
He’s not going to fuck you… Just sayin’….
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It’s pretty funny how Musk stans want him to fuck them so much, considering that women who Musk has fucked tend to throw themselves at transexuals afterwards, or give birth to transexuals.
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Mike, can you do something about the shitty transphobic language the anon cowards are spouting, even if it is to attack Musk?
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I think flagging them is fine, personally. It’s an indication that those transmisogynists are personæ non gratæ.
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Not that that particular specimen will leave, as it seems to think that it has a god given right to spout its ideology on any platform that cannot ban it.
Re: Re: Re:3 other than still being borken
Still seems broken on new platform. Worked fine on old platform. May be that they forgot to test with javascript turned off.
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Did Elon really need to ban the personal account too?
If it was just Elonjet, and the the rest of the public tracking data accounts soon after, then you could cite doxxing as a probable reason but…
Also, why are you defending a man who legit flexes his ill-gotten wealth like that?
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First off, he posted that hours after this article went up, so unless time warps, I couldn’t have included it in the original article.
Second, it’s a nonsensical argument, because he claimed that his car was followed, not his plane. The account only talked about where the plane landed, which would not really help someone trying to find his car (especially as it was at a busy airport).
Third, the information is still public information.
Fourth, even if he is understandably mad about what he claims was someone jumping on the hood of the car, that’s an issue for the police.
Fifth, I find it amusing that he mocked the idea that “public safety” was a concern in banning Trump or some other accounts, but when it’s HIS public safety, suddenly he has a totally different story.
Sixth, it’s kinda pathetic that people like you will ignore the hypocrisy.
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Ya, you have never paid attention to private crafts. Most small, private planes and jets don’t use the same airports as commercial planes. They use much smaller, executive airports. These aren’t anywhere near the same level of security. Go to Vegas; for example, all of the private jets fly in/out a small area away from the main airport. You can stand on the strip across from Mandalay Bay and literally see the jets and the cars that drive up to them to pick up the passengers. It’s almost exactly the way they make them look in the movies. It would be really easy to watch the plane come in with a real-time tracker, watch it land and visually watch the vehicle pull up to get the passengers. It’s nothing like a commercial plane. EVERYTHING can be seen easily, especially the car that meets them on the tarmac. So that argument of yours is out the window. This tracker would be exactly what it took to get the information he needed to pull this off. I bet, as more comes out, you’ll hear that this is exactly what did happen. It’s ok to be wrong sometimes.
You seem really defensive. You obviously don’t like the guy, and that’s fine. I could care less. But I see his point and wouldn’t want to be tracked and followed, either, especially when things in this country are so divisive. I also understand that he willingly puts a target on his back, but should people be afraid to speak up or talk about how they feel because they are afraid of retaliation or getting hurt or killed over it?
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Rich people like Elon can afford to purchase extra protections to better protect themselves from actual threats to their lives.
But there’s still the question of why ban the personal accounts of the owner as well? Or that of it was a privacy issue, why take their sweet fucking time to suspend the rest of them?
Most companies would also pubish their changes to their ToSes BEFORE a ban and still allow a grace period for users to enable a smooth transition, not kneejerk actions and updates AFTER said kneejerk action was taken.
Look, it’s fine to lie for a known liar, abuser and racist fuckface. I won’t publicly harangue you for that. But it’s not a good look for you if you lie for Lying Apartheid Blood Emerald Space Karen, you know.
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You do realize that those “small, private planes and jets” can use the same airports as commercial planes?
They choose to use the smaller executive airports out of convenience. Probably the same reason they are using a private plane in the first place.
Just as in other technologies, they are sacrificing a level of security for that convenience.
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“Ya, you have never paid attention to private crafts. Most small, private planes and jets don’t use the same airports as commercial planes. ”
Uh that would hold water if Elon Musk’s plane is always at LAX, Austin-Bergstrom International Airport, Oakland International Airport and other airports. Just by looking at his flight data (which this whole thing is about), he uses major airports, not minor ones.
Like Elon’s (and his fanboys’s) arguments, they don’t hold up to scrutiny because it’s all just grasping for straws.
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And just who do you think is the busiest pecker-head of them all, doing his damndest to make this country so divisive??
Hint: Before he bought Twitter, neither Musk nor Twitter had so many articles here, posted almost daily. As well, those articles never had so many comments. Since then, vast amounts of electrons have been molested in the name of Musk and his desire to be entered into more sections of the DSM than anyone else in history.
Re: Re: Re: Don;t you have compaines to be ruining?
Hi Elon!
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“Third, the information is still public information.”
And if someone was standing across from your house stalking you is that okay because its a public sidewalk?
Public or private has never mattered when it comes to stalking. You should know that since you pretend to be legal expert.
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Then why isn’t there a law against public information being displayed in a public way?
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Re: Re: Re:2 Stalking
That would be the crux of general stalking law and protective orders. If someone keeps posting docs, public or private, the victim could easily get a protective order.
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“If someone keeps posting docs, public…”
Just stop.
You are absolutely wrong.
Posting the documents is not the activity that warrants a PO. It’s the stalking/contact that does.
One would think with your pattern of behavior you would know how protective orders work pretty well by now.
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You asked, you got it: the Daniel Anderl Ju-
21 dicial Security and Privacy Act of 2022, starting about page 2540 of the Rules Committee Print 117-70 text of the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to the H.R. 7776, commonly known as the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023.
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Which does not prohibit private individuals from publishing anything.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4436?s=1&r=66
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Mostly true. What it provides (see starting pg 2557 ln 22) is that upon government request, the individual who published the information must take it down.
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“You should know that since you pretend to be legal expert.”
Hows that section 8 beer fund going bro?
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[Projects facts contrary to evidence]
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There’s no rational basis for believing that the alleged stalking of the car has anything at all to do with @elonjet, seeing it was two whole days since the tracker’s last tweet and the claimed attack.
Musk’s just clinging to any lie he can to justify his actions.
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Also turns out that Musk likely lied the supposed incident took place at the airport. Someone on the Bellingcat Discord shows the location the video was taken was not near any airports.
Re: I’d be pissed too if someone screwed with my kid.
How about if your kid was trans? Would you be like Space Karen and tell them to fuck off?
“Oh my kids! Don’t take my kids! Well, you can have that little trans bastard”
Oh yeah, he’s a real caring parent.
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Musk doesn’t care about his offspring. His entire goal on that front has been sowing his wild oats and vaguely asserting that he contributed to half of his kids’ genetic material like it’s something to boast about. Beyond bragging rights, he doesn’t care one wit. The women he slept with don’t want anything to do with him; his last spouse would rather fuck an ex-guy than have anything to do with him, and the same goes for most of the kids he traumatized.
The one up side to all of this is that it will start convincing more women that straight white males are a plague upon society.
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“fuck an ex-guy”
Don’t be disgusting. Chelsea Manning is a woman, not an ‘ex-guy’.
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Elon is quite the piece of work, and most people are glad they ain’t Lying Apartheid Blood Emerald Space Karen.
Still, could you tone down on the anti-trans language? It’s amusing that trans people show a lot more understanding and humanity than Lying Apartheid Blood Emerald Space Karen, but still…
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Oh, my mistake.
I should specify, women would rather fuck other women than touch straight white scum. And that’s a good thing for the progression of our species.
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Not for nothing, you faux-leftist dipshit, but despite the fantasies of white supremacists everywhere, white men are not the only men in the world.
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We’ll get to them eventually.
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We exposed JK Rowling. Our work is far from done. We will do it again.
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And so he attacks an innocent target, which does no good, as if someone wants to track his jet, as there are other and better sites available for tracking aircraft.
“Platform manipulation and Spam” = “Elon Musk gets his introduction to the Streisand Effect, as people link to the the @elonjet account in protest of his actions”
Like most megalomaniacs, Space Karen will do anything to stay in the headlines.
No news is bad news when you don’t give a fuck. Five year olds in a china shop arguing over bullshit. The outcome will require cleanup crews.
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T, FTFY
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T, FTFY
Location information
What I find funny is that the elonjet account didn’t reveal the location of a person, which (the way I’m reading it) is what the new policy bans. It showed the location of an airplane. Is tweeting the current location of airplanes going to be banned too?
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If so – New agencies and Airlines tracking problem flights would be forbidden.
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Mike conveniently leaves out that Musk has a PIA, Privacy ICAO Address. Elon Jet was very public and boasting about this and that he was able to track Musk’s plane because he had cracked Musk’s PIA.
Much like Constitutional rulings on do not call lists Elon Jet falls well outside of Constitutional protection.
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Then why hasn’t the government shut that project down? 🤔
Peeping Tron Cultures Whine Hard
Nosy neighbor cultures are worthless anyways. Depraved in every way.
You can look at many/most of the countries and they don’t even have privacy in any part of their culture.
Segregation is the norm when it comes to failed social experiments. From information superhighway to nosy neighbor network with tabloid emotions are someone elses problem.
“Don’t mix with the digital depraves” is sage advice.
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Yeah, about that…
Didn’t save 4chan when Stormfront invaded.
And it will not save us when they come to commit stochastic terrorism.
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That includes all social media… Look at all the inferior emotions and mental illness for that whole generation that got soaked in an ad-supported cesspool.
Some of us were lucky enough to not have to deprogram our kids.
“Just because all of the other kids do it” makes all that mental baggage the other kids have the funniest irony. “Thats not my b***h or my baby” is a classic follow-up to “are you my daddy?”…. Too funny
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Gossip, that evil, emotion-soaked social media garbage, existed before Livejournal and all that rot, regardless of culture.
Deprogramming 2 million+ years of evolution would require the extermination of humanity.
If you don’t agree with Elon, wait a couple of minutes.
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Yep despite Elon Jet being very open that Musk had a PIA, Privacy ICAO Address, for his jet and publicly boasting on his Twitter that he had cracked Musk’s PIA the media Mike and everyone else left this little nugget out of their reporting on the issue.
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Point to the law that makes it illegal.
N628TS isn’t of any interest. Now N302AK on the other hand, should be tracked daily as evidence to global crime.
Elon is like a Salmon trying to swim upstream in a fountain.
He may think he knows what he’s doing but he’s doing it incorrectly,in the wrong place because he’s driven by instincts that don’t really work outside his natural habitat.
An environment where people are dependent on Elon making money. Instead of one where he’s dependent on others (advertisers) providing income for him.
I suspect it galls him to have to consider the rights and opinions of others in decision making.
Not that I expect positive changes on Twitter other than those forced on him by economic realities.
He and The Donald share several traits
One of which is; at the moment,neither one is electable as President.
Stalking
Stalking, that is all this account does!
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.. said nobody literate, ever.
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Elon Musk tracking
If yourself or Jack Sweeney and members of your families were being tracked you’d probably be pissed…. And if you say otherwise you’d be lying… What the young guy was doing is a security nightmare publishing Elon Musk and his families whereabouts and where they frequently move around to and from locations… That is dangerous in anyone’s play-book… The young man should feel grateful he profited from the experience and the sale of the company was to get a signature on a document to prevent the young man from further exploiting the location of Elon Musk or his family… Again if you and your family were being tacked and your movements posted publicly on social media you would have none of it and you know it…. This is just another hit piece to get likes and comments while the real deal is a security nightmare for the person being tracked….