Texas Activist Weaponizes Law Requiring Religious Posters In Schools Against Its Fans
from the unintended-consequences dept
Secularists teaching the state of Texas a lesson in unintended consequences appears to be becoming something of a theme. To be fair, this is a problem of Texas’ own making, as the state continues to churn out laws that aren’t just conservative, which would be fine, but at least questionable from a constitutionality standpoint. The Union being in the state it is, legal challenges may not currently be the best route to go right now, at least when compared with what is essentially a jaunty bit of fuckery designed to point out the flaws in these laws. We saw a recent example of that with secularists, I presume, utilizing the state’s desire to ban naughty books that contain certain categories of content to also get the Christian Bible banned for the same reason. This is how the law of unintended consequences works, after all.
Yet another hilariously stupid law passed a year or so ago in Texas requires any public school to display signs proclaiming “In God We Trust”, so long as they are donated by 3rd parties, have the phrase at the top of the poster, the U.S. flag directly below the phrase, and the Texas flag shown somewhere as well. The poster can also not include any other words or messaging. Why all those rules? Well, because Texas wanted to make sure nobody could create ironic posters using the phrase in order to poke fun at, or challenge, the conservative religious groups that want a certain flavor of messaging to appear in public schools.
Unfortunately, secularists are quite creative. Chaz Stephens is an atheist activist based out of Florida and known for public stunts. Chaz initially wanted to donate posters that referenced Satan instead of God, which is fairly normal atheist fare these days. Unfortunately, the law wouldn’t allow that. So… how to still get the point across to the largely conservative Christian Texas groups flooding public schools with religious messaging? Well…
That poster follows the law in every respect. There’s an American flag below the wording. There’s a Texas flag on the poster. And the only words that appear on it are “In God We Trust” (possibly conjugated incorrectly, but you know). The only difference between this and other posters is that the words are in Arabic. There is no reason why any school or the state should reject this poster. In fact, the Texas law requires it to be accepted.
The obvious question is: Will it work? Will schools accept these donated posters? The truth is they don’t have a choice in the matter. If the posters are donated and meet the legal specifications, they must go up. The schools would be violating the law by rejecting his offer. That is, assuming they don’t have a Christian sign up already.
Even if Texas Republicans insist the English-language version of the poster was implied, that’s not what the law says. And if there’s one thing we know about conservatives, it’s that they’re huge fans of strict constructionism. We shouldn’t assume anything that’s not literally written into the law.
Argue against this all you want, but schools should be forced to display that poster, per the law. And any pushback from local citizens would represent a desire to move away from that law. And pushback there will be, you can be sure, should any of those posters be put up.
Now, we could keep playing this game of chicanery, I suppose. But it would be far better if the religous would be satisfied with keeping religion within the family and the church, and not attempting to encroach on secular schools.
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'No fair, only we're supposed to be able to do that!'
Nothing quite like spiting first amendment hating-christians by reminding them that other religions exist and that the whole ‘keep religion and government separate’ thing is for their sake as well.
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More a case of reminding them that non white, non English speakers can share their christian values, and challenging their world view.
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Are you saying that these posters are promoting Christian values? Because that would be illegal under the 1st Amendment. The only reason they pass 1st Amendment scrutiny is that “God” can be any god.
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The United States government inserted “under God” into the Pledge of Allegiance and made “In God We Trust” the national motto at the height of the Red Scare. Doing so was meant to define the U.S. as a fundamentally Chrisitan country as compared to communist countries where atheism was often state-enforced.
Invocations given before meetings of public institutions such as legislatures and city councils are overwhelmingly Christian (and such institutions often favor that state of affairs). We have politicians proudly calling themselves “Christian nationalists” and declaring their desires to install their religious beliefs. The Supreme Court has been slowly chipping away at the wall of separation between church and state, and it has been doing so in favor of the church (especially if the church is Christian).
If anyone ever tells you that “God” in either the national motto or the Pledge of Allegiance can refer to any religion’s ruling deity, you can tell them they’re full of shit.
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If anyone ever tells you that “God” in either the national motto or the Pledge of Allegiance can refer to any religion’s ruling deity, you can tell them they’re full of shit.
That’s similar to what I’ve been arguing for years.
Re: Re: Re:2 Christian
I think your sarcasm meter needs recalibrating.
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I think if people want to use sarcasm in plain text, they should mark it as such because plain text, on its own, can’t properly communicate sarcasm. But, you know, that’s just my opinion~.
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Opinions, like assholes….
Re: Re: Re:5
Assholes, like opinions…
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Are you being sarcastic/s?
Re: Re: Re:4 Sarcasm
Poe’s Law.
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Re: Re: Re:5
Repo’s law, thus:
“Thou shalt not purchase what thou cannotest pay for-est.”
You been owned, now get to work, bitchboi. Flag, NOW!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: Re: Re:6
Romero’s law. Stop running. You’re fucked anyway.
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Re: Re: Re:7
Lol. Yeah, few forums have more AC-zombies than TD.
Meanwhile, I see what they do to your posts. I use that button over there frequently when I see that>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Fuck off, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese, you failed abortion. Flagged.
Re: Re: Re:6
Since you asked so nicely, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese, your comment has been flagged.
Re: Re: Re:2 Minor correction
The motto/words were added by Christian nutters in order to invoke god’s wrath against the only actual threat in communism: agnosticism.
How dare anyone create a society free from fantasy cloud people?!!?
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It isn’t just the christian nutters–it’s the entire confabulation of the “body of christ,” aka corporate structure of the post-Flavian empire that masks the emptines of their religions “promises”.
And note how Thing 1 and Thing 2 have managed to turn this thread into a religious preaching session? It’s what they do. And Autie is on record here preaching christianity too.
See that flag button over there? Please join me and use it A LOT.
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And Autie is on record here preaching christianity too.
Since when is declaring ones religious beliefs trying to get others to join?
See that flag button over there? Please join me and use it A LOT.
Good idea, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Your “comment” has duly been flagged.
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See that flag button over there? Please join me and use it A LOT.
Good idea, Phillip, you lying hypocrite. I’ve flagged your “comment” at your request.
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As I have flagged you. Now, if I can only enlist more help. You are the most toxic troll on the internet, and it’s really pathetic that Techdirt hosts/enables/employs you.
Re: Re: Re:4
You may have misinterpreted Autie.
HSIWYT has TDS and a tendency to to claim any stance, no matter how ‘left’ it is, a Republican stance, but is definitely has not been one of the FAR right ACs trying to shove Godah down everyone’s throat.
Compare that to the ones, registered and not, who show up preaching and praying for our souls and all that?
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Re: Re: Re:5
Well, the two AC’s that I routinely call out have a clear and distinguishable agenda:
You will see–I do not think any of them are actual humans as you or I regard human beings. They are all clearly allied in schismogenesis acros time and space. Chaos, for the sake of chaos, and Autie is just a useful idiot for them.
Watch, it rolls like this:
Citation
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Lol.
A few of the more intelligent users here have figured me out. I, truly, tend to be a disruption voter.
The rest can’t figure out how to see beyond their partisan talking head choices, left or right be they.
Disruption, when choice’s actually work, forces one of two outcomes. Period. Full stop.
Either compromise, or stalemate.
Every one of the test links posted to me have come up placing me on some fringe extreme, always to a liberal quadrant or axis.
Either that or they give no result. I broke the test.
Ultra conservative far left liberal, or ultra liberal nationalist conservative.
I prefer patriotic libertarian.
Because, yes: outside of my personal existence I’m rather apathetic to the rest of human existence. “Whatever!”
Freedom, then security. Liberty, then empathy.
so much of the current Dem platform is they are ivory tower politicians. They continually hand over their ability by ignoring reality.
White privileged doesn’t exist outside the boardroom. Any effects of white privilege comes from the top. And over 90% of the top 500 or rich, white, democrats. Wrong elephant, stop looking at the red one and look at the pink one behind you.
Systemic racism? No. There’s ingrained racist institutions. That’s different. And you don’t tackle that with blanket attempts. You target the problems. Law enforcement, criminal justice.
Monetary failure? The only places in the country where $12 an hour is hardship is within city limits. Again, less than 10% of the country. the $15, $20 pushes will destroy nearly 90% of the country.
The city has $1000 garbage studios in disrepair. The rest of the country can buy a 2bd 1 bath house for $20-$50k
Maybe, just maybe, look at why the city costs 3x the suburbs. And why the suburbs, in city counties, costs 5x the rest of the nation.
You know, why is a bottle of water $2 downtown and 50 cents a hundred miles away. Why does a slum apartment cost $1000 downtown where a luxury townhome on a lake at a golf course cost $900 100 miles away.
Why is gas $6 downtown and $2.75 a hundred miles away
Figure that out and the solution is obviously.
I’m no fan of Republicans and their tax cuts for corporations and their god in every corner.
But the Democrat politicians they keep pushing to the top are the very people causing the sociality problems. Clinton is the textbook example of rich, inflationary, self-absorbed, white-privileged bureaucracy.
More taxes. More war. More expenditures. And more tax loopholes that protect rich white democrats.
Biden more of the same.
These are the people non-Dem Obama voters hoped to crush. Notice how he fell round two when he became part of the system he originally ran to end.
And these stupid, brainwashed MSNBC diehards here just can’t understand how voting against the system is so, SO, very different than voting for someone.
##end rant##
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That’s a whole lot of words to say both sides are bad so vote Republican.
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See, example of MSNBC brainwashing.
I’ve voted for two republicans for president.
W bush. A mistake
Perot: no regrets.
I’ve chosen twice to vote for the most likely candidate to beat someone I was agains.
I voted agains the pond scum know as HRC. No regrets
I voted against a man I considered, with extensive direct understanding of the signs and effects of the condition, to have dementia. No regrets.
Back in 1998 I voted for a Republican nomination for a judge. A life long conservative Libertarian, and disabled veteran, who fell short of the direct party listing by 2 signatures. Which the scum republicans of our state challenged.
So he said fu, got the sigs, ran as a Republican, and won!
That’s the limit of my R choices nationally.
As I’ve so often stated, Free as in tax paid, I’m ultimately a believer in. I muchbis too much if we all start equal, socialist base capitalist.
Free healthcare
Free education
Free energy
Free internet
National food allowance
National housing allowance
And now, a firm supporter of a national guaranteed social base income. untaxable, non-collectible.
And fuck your god. Pansexual, ultra-feminist.
Let me know how any of that falls into line with republicum. Because cum is for planting or eating.
Re: Re: Re:9 To the surprise of no one.
And your rebuttal is yet another list no one asked for.
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[Projects facts contrary to extensive evidence]
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TBF, there are some similarities in the symptoms of dementia and two previous brain aneurysms, with the biggest difference being there’s no recovery from dementia.
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Extensive evidence, like CNN and NYT reporting on cognitive concerns?
Dementia runs in both sides of my family. I’ll place my trust in multiple members of my family in healthcare from nurses to doctors to neurosurgeons, and decades of decades of personal experience with it.
You make your less educated decisions.
I made mine.
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You voted for a man who can’t form coherent sentences instead of a man who can even though he suffers from a speech impidement.
You voted for a man who weakened the US is so many ways which paved the way for the invasion of Ukraine instead of a woman who understood Putin and his wish for restoring “Mother Russia” by any means possible.
You blame Hillary for things that happened in Ukraine many years ago (even though the timeline doesn’t make sense) while ignoring how Trump helped paving the way for the killings currently going on in Ukraine.
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Lodos also, based in his own ignorance/corruption, believes Trump’s solely-racism-based immigration policy is good and that raising regressive taxes on the nation’s poorest is most fair and effective.
Re: Re: Re:11
You make your less educated decisions based on “decades of personal experience with [dementia].”
I made mine based on actual evidence.
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“You make your less educated decisions.
I made mine.”
The terminal phase of Hillary Derangement Syndrome is hitting hard there bro.
You seem to be arguing against yourself.
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The key words are as follows:
He’s saying that according to the law, schools should be forced to display that sign. He’s also saying that on a moral level, the best course of action would be to keep religion out of public schools altogether. That’s not logically contradictory. One is “according to the existing law” and the other is “according to what the author personally believes is right and wrong.” And keep in mind I’m politically liberal AND a Christian, and I have no problems with this protest sign.
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Hmm. Okay, I can see that meaning, but the quoted text seems grammatically ambiguous. It’s unclear whether the author means “the law says they should” or “I believe they should, in accordance with the law”. I lean toward the latter, because the term “shall” would be more appropriate for a law—it’s not a mere suggestion.
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Of you don’t understand that ‘per the law’ is just another way of saying ‘according to the law’, then you need to go back to school and finish your English classes.
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“The Free Dictionary” says it can mean that or “in accordance with [the law]”.
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If you don’t understand that ‘according to the law’ is just another way of saying ‘in accordance with the law’, then you need to go back to school and finish your English classes.
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So, is one doing as instructed by the law, or as one chooses which is not proscribed by law? There is a subtle difference between these options.
Art classes are available for those having trouble finding the difference.
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So which art class are you going to enrol in, painting or sculpture?
Re: Re: as a fairly liberal Christian...
I too found this pretty hilarious, and would have even laughed if it was some sort of poster of the FSM or some Babylonian/Egyptian/Assyrian god. The law was a bit short-sighted and I wouldn’t feel bad if it were struck down.
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Damn, you beat me to it!
I was just going to suggest signs in hieroglyphics using the emblem of Set. To make the whole Satan thing work. The emblem being both a symbolism (Set) and a word (god).
Which would actually make both points valid.
In Set we trust would be transliterated as in god we trust academically.
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Is that the Hebrew “per” or the Anglo “per?” That seems important.
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Neither. It’s the Latin ‘per’.
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Not really. Keeping the two separate would be the best outcome but if that’s not an option or until it’s not forcing the schools to follow the law even when someone uses it against them is the second best.
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Because ‘per the law’ totally means ‘in my opinion’, right? (-_Q)
Why not Hebrew??
It’s mind-bending enough to do it in Arabic, but Hebrew is probably better for tweaking conservative noses.
Various other random languages, such as chinese, or Hindu would not hurt!
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Nah. They’re open about hating Arabs; they pretend not to hate Jews.
They love throwing around the phrase “Judeo-Christian values”, which you’ll note you don’t hear so much from Jewish folks. What it really means is “Christian, but we like the Old Testament parts about punishing people we don’t like.”
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You misspelt “Chauvinist” because God knows Christ has nothing to do with what they call values and hold dear to their heart.
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While true that “Chauvanist” readily fits the bill, 1) People can, and have identified as “Christian” for 2ky, whether you agree with their kind of Christianity or not, and, 2) No True Scotsman would like a word with you, although 3) i feel where you’re coming from.
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No True Scotsman would like a word with you…
No, they wouldn’t. There’s a league of difference between calling oneself a Christian and espousing discriminatory values, and actually being Christian and espousing true Christian values.
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Even the “bad” Christians are still Christians. Stop with the No True Scotsman fallacy.
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“Exposing” a fallacy where none exists is itself a fallacy.
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One which you just admitted that you, not Stephen, is guilty of.
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Re: Re: Re:6
That AC-hole just loves hearing the vocalization and the alliteration of “phallus” in any form. Fallacy, phallus, false, fallacious, felatio, Felicia–all of those get that nasty troll Thing 1 wanking it. I fail to see why you keep indulging it.
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Do you often talk to yourself like that? Enquiring minds want to know.
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That’s something I’ll never understand about neurotypicals: how you read between the lines to receive messages that aren’t otherwise obvious.
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If there’s a more tedious way to begin a post, I haven’t seen it.
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If there’s a more tedious way to begin a post, I haven’t seen it.
If there’s a more insidiously trolling way to respond to a comment, I haven’t seen it.
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I see that you have an “Anonymous asshole Problem” here at Techdirt. Please join us, will you, and disintegrate their ability to cause schismogenetic derailment? Use that handy flag button over there, and use it lots–>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Or, contact TD’s moderators, and let them know that their moderation queue has been infiltrated by schismogenesis practitioners.
More on “schismogenesis” here.
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I don’t understand why you have a problem with Hebrew. The real issue here is the HUGE HORSE’S ASS that is Texas, and their OTHER HORSE’S ASS which is Florida.
Pretty much everywhere Republicans try to control people’s expressions, they end up being HORSES’ ASSES. The language itself doesn’t matter.
באלוהים שאנו סומכים
אהוד
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Where’s the hatred of Hebrew expressed in Christenson’s comment? Get back under your bridge, troll.
Re: Re: Re: Give Mr Gavrom a pass...
I think he just misread me, he’s usually a welcome commenter.
Hebrew is perhaps not optimal, given this thing called messianic Judaism, which is distinctly modern Christian in its origins. Does the law allow us to follow “In god we trust” with “All others pay cash”?
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One of my friends is a Messianic Jew and he told me that Messianic Jews follow Mosaic law. Christians do not do so by definition. If there are any substantive differences between Messianic Judaism and your garden-variety Christianity, that’s (at least) one of them.
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Forget Hebrew, go straight to Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke.
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Um, like, can you PROVE Jesius even existed?
Serious poppycock. Post-Flavian Free Mason bullshit. Roots Pan-Celticism or GTFO.
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GTFO yourself, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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I fucked your Jesus. Not bad, for Negev-billy ass.
Re: Re: Re:3 Whose Jesus is it anyway?
I’m pretty sure nobody here owns a Jesus. I’m equally sure you’re nowhere near The Negev. Finally, as for being an ass, I do agree with your self-assessment (pun intended).
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Actually, I have a few genuine articles of faith, blessed by pope UKRAINIAN_NEO-NAZI-ZELENSKY-AUTHENTICATOT-TOKEN that verify the authenticity of my Jesus replica’s, so knock it off with the satire!!!
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Not until you knock it off with the trolling, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Flagged.
Re: Re: Re:5
Hey Phil I think it’s a bit early to have a rebound fling bro.
Re: Re: Re:3
I’m a Pastafarian, so he’s not my Jesus. Nice try, though, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
Re: Re: Re: Next time back to our regularly scheduled dump
Usually I just come here to shit on you Phil. But you seriously need mental help.
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Well, I actually doubt that–you are a sadist, and a bully. People like you always find an outlet for your sick personality disorders–and always find a way to blame your victims too.
Good thing I am not a victim. Because none of that removes the stigma of you being a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE.
Re: Re: Re:3 Cowards
All you anonymous cowards (or AC “destroyers” lol) are the same. Nameless pussies insulting each other hiding in anonymity.
None of you “destroy” anyone. None of you are non-victims. None of you are “CONVICTED anythingS” with or without stigma.
You’re all just noisy jetsam in the stream that makes the water dirty. It’s your right. Good on ya for exercising it, but try not to call other people names or suggest they’ve been convicted of things. That’s an idiot’s pitfall.
Find a mirror. There’s the idiot.
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Said the hypocrite. Not all ACs are trolls, and some named commenters are. You’re a fine example of the latter.
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Re: Re: Re:5 Being a fine example
I sent it to my first grade teacher who said I’d never amount to much. She appreciates I’m a fine example of something.
Anyway, it’s your bedtime, so you go, girl.
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I sent it to my first grade teacher who said I’d never amount to much.
No wonder she said that.
She appreciates I’m a fine example of something.
Although she’s not sure what, I’ll bet.
Anyway, it’s your bedtime, so you go, girl.
Are you always this sexist, or just whenever real commenters call you out on your behavior?
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Well, I actually doubt that–you are a sadist, and a bully. People like you always find an outlet for your sick personality disorders–and always find a way to blame your victims too.
Wow! So much projection in one comment.
Good thing I am not a victim.
Even after you made yourself one?
Because none of that removes the stigma of you being a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE.
And how would you know that? Oh, right. You’re reading your own criminal record and seeing the phrase “anonymous coward” in the description of yourself, hence your confusion. Flagged.
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Right, bitchsperger, you work for me. Here FLAG THIS TOO>>>>>>
I like to watch you carrying my load, lol. It always amazes me how you turd-infatuated types eat shit.
Um, as for your own confessions above, your own commentary indicates a defined mental illness–an actual confession of your sickness here:
Beyond your confessed thing with scat, and penis smegma (or is that Bottom Troll? I get you two confused sometimes, both equally ugly), you are also noting that you are a sadist, as I described.
So there’s that. As for you being a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE your own commentary in the past is evidence of that. Others know this about you specifically, and I don’t even need to cite to it.
And, we all know that in meatspace, you would be eating your teeth down to the last busted out root over the things you post here, sort of like how you are also eating ass in the Ukraine right now after poking the bear, but hey, AC’s be like dat.
Nice, that anonymity for you AC’s, huh? Not for long 😉
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Well, if you insist…
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And I yours. SO there’s that. Consensus builds slowly. Now flag this, boi>>>>>>>>>>
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Seeing as how you have extra time, flag this for me willya?
Thanks flagbitch!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Well, since you insist, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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Oh, BTW, bitchboi, can you scratch this for me?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
thanks!
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Re: Re: Re:7
Well, since you insist, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
Re: Re: Re:6
Let them fight. Let them fight. Let them fight…
Hey, down in front!
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Re: Re: Re:4
Suuure, projection. Listen, AC, we know that because you said as much, about 2.5 years ago, when you were whining about how you had been “unfairly treated” there in Johannesburg. We all read it, none of us felt sorry for you.
Now, please tell me more about your obsession with penile smegma, FTR? Or maybe, just that part about how you search the internet 24-7 for any sign of your missing foreskin? That would help the therapists who occasionally check in here to understand your angst.
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I thought you were in China, not South Africa, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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You’d think so, but I have it on good authority that you can’t treat psychopathy in a psych ward.
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As if the average Texan Redneck could tell the difference…
Fare and balanced?
How about Urdu, Bengali, Eskimo? Hawaiian. And as many other languages to make it Fare to all those other languages.
Dont forget German.
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You want it in German? OK, here you go:
Wir vertrauen in Gott.
Re: Re: Wrong preposition
In German, you don’t “vertrauen in” but “vertrauen auf”. Actually, while “to trust” is “vertrauen”, “to trust in” is more “sich verlassen auf”. So adopting the emphatic word order (heck, reordering sentences is so much more natural in German than English) we get “Auf Gott verlassen wir uns.”
However, more idiomatic would be borrowing from the church hymn “Wer nur dem lieben Gott vertraut, der hat auf keinen Sand gebaut” and render it as “Dem lieben Gott vertrauen wir” which carries the meaning “God the Nice we trust” (“the Nice” being titular rather than determinative as “The nice god we trust” would imply).
You didn’t think the invective “Grammar Nazi” was arbitrary, did you?
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You didn’t think the invective “Grammar Nazi” was arbitrary, did you?
In the case of someone that produces a wall of text like that? Absolutely not.
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Show us on the doll where the German language touched you hun.
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It was Yiddish, acyually! On my foreskin, my foreskin, tard-doctor!!!!
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You just won’t give up on the antisemitism, will you, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Fkagged.
Re: Re: Re:3
Talking to yourself again, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese?
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Especially since David is completely mistaken in his assertion.
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I would say that the point of using arabic is to tweak the noses of the christians trying to force their religion into the schools with the law but those same people would probably have a near-equal ‘Ew foreigner/that’s not ‘murican!’ reaction to any of those other languages so hey, why not?
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Would a Christian Arab and a Muslim Arab translate the English original in the same way? I recall some Muslim fundamentalist threatening to prosecute a Christian Bible society if they translated the “God” of the Christian Bible into Arabic as “Allah.”
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I’m a bit too old to have talked with Jesus. By about 2022-age years.
So I don’t know what he spoke, or if he’s an amalgam of many people, or just one guy or a polyglot or what.
Going out on a limb here, there’s nobody on this forum that has a personal contact any better than my own, other than, of course, whatever religious rites in which one holds a belief.
How this has to do with Texas and Arabic… I’m not so sure. I’m proud of the guy who put the sign up in Arabic. I’ve done my part to provide a Hebrew translation (with one extra letter … consider it my shibolet test)… and others are welcome to join in.
Texas and Florida are leading the country in being pieces of shit anti-expression and pro-repression. Really… this has nothing to do with Jesus.
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P.S. You may be tempted to think I’m anti-Jesus. To the contrary. The teachings ascribed to him include peace and goodwill to all, and those are respected good goals.
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Well, maybe not to all… you may recall that he more or less despised the scribes and the Pharisees, also he didn’t think much of the money changers in the Jewish temple. But I always find a couple of things funny about the Christian religion. One is the “salvation ritual” that is currently used in many churches and evangelistic meetings, which consists of saying a “sinner’s prayer” in front of a large group of people. What is strange about that is that the whole exercise isn’t found anywhere in the Bible. The whole thing was cooked up by itinerant evangelists in order to get people to make a public profession of faith, so that they would feel they couldn’t easily reconsider or back down from it.
But the really strange thing is this. All these “Q” types love wild conspiracy theories but they don’t touch the original one. Jesus had told his disciples that false teachers and messiahs would come along after he was gone. And remember what I said earlier about his feelings toward the scribes and Pharisees. So not to long after he’s gone, along comes this guy Paul who claims to have had a vision on the road to Damascus (maybe falling off a horse and having a near-death experience will do that to someone) but anyway he presents himself to the disciples in Jerusalem and while it appears most of them don’t really buy his shtick, Peter does and accepts him. So then he sets out among the Gentiles preaching his very legalistic interpretation of the Christian faith, and writing epistles that would later be included in biblical canon. Point is that his teachings weren’t much at all like those of Jesus, yet the fundamentalist churches love to cling on to all the legalistic crap he wrote, especially anything that can be used against groups of people they don’t like. So one might ask, why did the writings of Paul get more chapters in the Bible than the entire life story and teachings of Jesus? And why didn’t the disciples heed Jesus’ warnings about false teachers/messiahs? Or did Paul not even give them the choice, and when he saw he wasn’t fully received in Jerusalem, decided to hit the road and just like the itinerant evangelists of today teach whatever strange religious beliefs might have popped into his head? Including several that seemed to have drawn from his past life experience as a devout Pharisee.
If there had been no Paul, and the biblical new testament contained only the writings of and about Jesus and maybe some of his disciples, I think the world today would be a much different place. But nobody wants to look into that conspiracy – how the writings of one guy basically usurped an entire religion.
Basically Jesus taught things that lifted people up, whereas Paul wrote things that restricted people (especially certain classes of people), he was sexist, homophobic, and even endorsed slavery, and “Christians” give him a pass because those were common first century values, except many of them wish those were also 21st century values. They keep looking for an antichrist to appear in the future (based on the rambling prophecies of a guy confined to an island where “magic mushrooms” grew freely) but maybe the real antichrist has already appeared and his name was Paul. And even if he was not “the” antichrist, he certainly had a lot of ideas that I doubt Jesus would have approved of.
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Basically, Jesus taught things that lifted people up, whereas Paul wrote things that restricted people (especially certain classes of people), he was sexist, homophobic, and even endorsed slavery…
That and the fact that he participated in the persecution of early disciples of Jesus is why I pretty much ignore what Paul had to say and instead follow Christ’s teachings only.
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One particular passage stands out in my mind though. About coming with a sword?
The post Greek and Latin translations have tempered it but still…?
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I don’t remember that. I thought it was in Luke.
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Matthew. Actually.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword
But a 95CE Al Greek script predating, and likely a copy for the Q source, the saying states of christ, in temple Greek: (that is the proto/post Jewish Greek):
Believe not that I have come for peace. For I have come with the sword.
That script is predated slightly by a manuscript dating 25-60CE in the “Gospel of Sayings of Christ according to Paul” which parallels nearly perfectly the “quotes” section of an early Gospel of James. Both in Aramaic.
‘I have [come] not to practice the method of peace but [to the] means of the sword”
These phrases parallel Sextus, a Roman leader of the Sabine belief system in roughly 70-40 BCE. In regard to the “statement” of Lunis Ari, (Goddess of sex and war),
For she came. And upon us she came not of peace, nor of solitude ,but of blood by the sword for those who do not believe. And she gave forth (had a child) in her purity (virgin) a leader who came to be with shield and sword in the early (born armed). And he took breath, then spoke: those of faith shall by luna’s grace be spared, to wait and then be risen and returned. For I shall slay in my mother’s image all who defile her works.
No learned christian denies pagan co-option. And in my non-Abrahamic view, that’s not a bad thing.
But for the modern Christians who claim god and christ teach peace, this line directly contradicts that.
And as long as christians continue to point to out of context lines to justify bigotry, racism, sexism, violence, and jihad (the term is Jewish, not Muslim in origin) I will continue to use this as a sign that christ (Jesu Christi/Christus, Christophus of the Jews, ~ Christ the Jew) is no more peaceful than the Old Testament god.
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From Matthew 10:38:
Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Since the words quoted in Matthew 10 are from a sermon that took place long before anyone, including Jesus himself, knew of the crucifixion, I wouldn’t put too much faith in it.
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Considering “the cross”, in general, is probably a mistranslation…
I’m not sure, off hand, where the T idea came into play; but most criminals strung up were done so on an I, not a T. That itself relatively rare as they were usually just tied and swung over walls for birds to feed on. Wood was far too valuable to use for criminals. Wheat shaft rope, of sorts, was nearly free.
Which is not what you were going for, but supports you premise none the less.
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Hey, if you don’t want to do the research, I understand. I sometimes feel lazy too.
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Understatement of the year-some ‘tarded schismogenetic AC-hole claiming they are exhausted as if they are human, lol.
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Your projection is more boring than it is blinding, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Flagged.
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Well, at least you have finally outed your real, actual purpose here–as all of you proselytes like to do, you snuck in your vision of a Jewish-christian world.
I will take Lao Tzu for 100, Alex–because “Jewish-christian-Islamofascism” doesn’t fit in the boxes!
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I see you have a memory problem, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese, and can’t remember the name of your sockpuppets five minutes after you create them. How much damage did your mother do in trying to get rid of you after the abortion drugs failed to work?
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I’m a bit too old to have talked with Jesus. By about 2022-age years.
😮 The Wandering Jew in the hizzy!
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From his https://www.gofundme.com/f/fight-texas-in-god-we-trust-school-signs for this.
I’m sorely tempted to donate, especially if I can get a sign written in Vulcan or maybe Klingon.
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Bonus points if you use the American flag from that TNG episode. Where they used it to date the satellite they ran into. It has 50+ stars ….
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Go on, make my day!!! (Which seeing that flag would. Nobody but nobodaddy would complain. Bill Blake’d like a word with those folk.)
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I would love to have such a poster done up as a billboard.
… in braille. Just to prove a point.
Doesn’t that come under equal access, under the ADA?
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Well, since ableism became a “thing”, why not try ” Chinese Braille.” or are you a racist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_braille
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Just so you know, “disabled people” is the one marginalized group anyone can become a part of at any time. Live long enough and that becomes inevitable. So you might want to remember that before you go mocking disabled people of any kind.
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You’ve just run into that hypocritical piece POS, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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And I’m sure I’m not the only one looking forward to ROGS becoming a double amputee…
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I’m curious what this would look like:
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I suppose you could just look here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=gay+pride+font&oq=gay+pride+font&aqs=chrome..69i64.3796j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Source: The Dallas Morning News
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So try to donate signs in English once more, and if accepted, call them out: “I thought you said you had enough signs? But if you don’t, here’s these Arabic ones again…”
I’m curious what this one would look like:
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whoops, replied to the wrong post…
Another way to fight this with absurd-ism: They are REQUIRED to display posters that are donated… How about we donate 3 million posters? If they are required to display the posters, we flood them with posters and they are forced to display every poster they receive, right? Cover the school with them, the walls, floors, ceilings, the buses… everything will be nothing but posters according to the law REQUIRING schools to display donated posters…
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I was thinking the same thing, does the law set a maximum per school or location? And are there rules against printing anything on the back (like the 1A)? Or rules about other images that can appear in the background? Perhaps something that might appear to be patriotic or emblematic of the school, but look like something else entirely when turned upside down or viewed from a certain angle, or using Magic Eye (like a poop emoji, something juvenile & obnoxious) I mean, do they really think they can outsmart Gen Z?
They will never display any of these posters. They will either make up some excuse (“The posters were damaged.” “We already have enough posters on the walls.”) or they will simply ignore the law and face zero consequences.
North Texas school district rejects 'In God We Trust' signs in Arabic, rainbow
North Texas school district rejects ‘In God We Trust’ signs in Arabic, rainbow
https://abc13.com/texas-in-god-we-trust-sign-rule-parent-tests-new-law-arabic-carroll-isd-rejects-donated-signs/12180627/
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Who wants to litigate?!?
Re: What interesting timing...
Funny how they ‘ran out of space’ just as soon as someone who wasn’t on their side tried to use their law against them, why it’s almost as though the entire point was to push their and only their version of religion into schools…
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I’d love to see a pile of such posters in Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Swahili, Zulu, Xhosa, and the like. Even more, posters in Hopi, Navaho, Nahuatl, Sioux, Beothuk, etc. They could even throw in a few in Hawaiian, Tagalog, Vietnamese, etc.
Then raise a big stink about the subsequent refusal to post them on walls, with some Evangelical outlets. About their anti-American refusal to obey their own law …
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In the African languages, you forgot Shona and Afrikaans. 😜
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There are even more African Languages, such as Bamum (which is spoken in Cameroon).
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Given the emoji he used, I don’t think Autie was being serious.
Pastafaria
In marinara we trust
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No, no. For Pastafarians, it’s “In the Flying Spaghetti Monster we trust.” It’s all about the deity, remember?
Marinara
https://www.straightdope.com/21342649/what-s-the-classic-song-la-bamba-all-about
Matthew 10:31-34
The concept is that those who deny Jesus shall be struck down. The sword is a metaphor. Luke 12:51 calls it a “division” among men.
Either way it is the spouting of Matthew’s mouth, and not a credible threat. In biblical times hefting a sword meant one was expected to use it, and Matthew was not known for that. The first time he buckled one on, someone tougher than him would have taken it.
I’m pretty sure the folks passing legislation in Texas have no knowledge of any of this, or even what a metaphor is. Either way, the “exact” words of a man from two thousand years ago spoken or written in an entirely different language is hardly relevant here.
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I am against burning books, unless they are so-called “holy books,” in which case, that might be what is required to shut down these kinds of useless Abrahamic Trifection circle jerks that seem to –somehow–infect even the most benign of internet forum discussions online.
Not that I am against ALL Abrahamic Trifecta soul work like this here, mind you. I am all for that kind of proselytizing.
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You’re also against killing people unless they’re marginalized people or genuine commenters, ROGS. You’re so nasty I honestly don’t blame your mom for wanting to abort you.