Pentagon Publication: Young People Getting Injured At Basic Training Because Of 'Nintendo Generation'
from the okay-boomer dept
If any take has been evergreen over the past few decades, it’s that video games are the source of all the problems with the youth these days. If you want to take that further, you can boil it down to, “that thing kids enjoy but I didn’t grow up with is the reason why everything is terrible.” You see this all over the place. The New York Times thinks the pandemic made all the kids play all the video games all the time creating all the problems. Established politicians say video games are the reason we have gun violence in America. Even cute little fascists like Josh Hawley, who appears to be what would happen if you took an image of Slender Man and gave him human-like features, says that video games contribute to a loss of manliness in America.
So it may not come as a particular surprise that some in the Pentagon think that youth playing video games creates problems for the military as well. But it should be surprising that anyone in the Pentagon would want to blame the “Nintendo generation” for basic training injuries due to — checks notes — weak skeletons.
The article, titled “Why Today’s ‘Gen Z’ is at Risk for Boot Camp Injuries” interviewed Army Maj. Jon-Marc Thibodeau—a clinical coordinator in charge of medical readiness at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri.
When asked about the youth of today, Maj. Thibodeau was straightforward. “The ‘Nintendo Generation’ soldier skeleton is not toughened by activity prior to arrival, so some of them break more easily,” he said.
This wild assertion is backed up by anecdotes from a therapist at an army hospital who talks about some of the injuries she sees occurring in basic training. Notably, no fully formed studies run by the Pentagon are cited. Also notable is that many of the injuries are soft-tissue injuries, which have nothing to do with the strength of someone’s skeleton. It’s also notable that this take coming from the military isn’t especially novel: JFK lamented the softness of Americans in 1960, as the Vice article notes.
This all has pure “get off my lawn” vibes. First, the “Nintendo generation” isn’t attending basic training these days, because that was my generation and I’m 40 years old. I’ll also suggest that this may not be the message you want to deliver to a youth group that you’re actively courting to join the military. And, finally, I noticed a complete lack of acknowledgement as to how much of active “fighting” these days utilizes technology and methods of control of that technology that damned sure looks like something closer to playing a video game compared with scaling a manufactured wall. Drones, anyone?
And it’s not as though everyone in the DoD agrees with Thibodeau’s hot take.
Not everyone in the military thinks the younger generation is soft. Retired Navy Admiral William H. McRaven, former head of Special Operations Command, once said that anyone calling Millennials soft had never “seen them in a firefight in Afghanistan.”
Despite Maj. Thibodeau’s problems with the Nintendo Generation, the Pentagon has been actively courting them over the past few years by dropping millions of dollars on schemes to make Navy sailors and Army soldiers into esports stars on Twitch. The Nintendo Generation didn’t care for it much.
Nor will youth that will make up the future fighting forces care for the Pentagon’s messaging here, I don’t think. This stuff is real easy to say, but unless the Pentagon wants to back it up with real data, this is simply the armed forces shooting itself in the foot. I learned not to do stuff like that… by playing video games.
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Comments on “Pentagon Publication: Young People Getting Injured At Basic Training Because Of 'Nintendo Generation'”
That's one way of saying it, yes.
Now there’s an understatement. Last I checked, commenters on those streams were repeatedly asking questions about American war crimes.
Here's a thought...
Hey, how about NOT training people to become stone cold killers? How about stopping your endless war-mongering and violence and cruelty? How about rather training your youth to have fucking EMPATHY for other human beings? Naw, that will never happen, you lot love killing and murder and death and destruction too much 🙁
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The problem with that is you need everyone to do the same. It is the old nuclear disarmament conundrum.
If the US shut down its military how long before one of the still warmongering, violent and cruel nations think, wait a minute, we can do what we want?
Europe is a grand example of that right now. Germany, France etc. have been doing very little for the last 30 years as the cold war finished and the iron curtain came down. We are having a bit of a wake up call at the moment! It only takes one crazy guy with guns and a ‘might is right’ mentality to mess things up
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And nukes. Don’t forget the nukes.
Re: Re: Re: Blame schools for sedentary kids
My third grader only has gym once a week and recess twice per week in public NJ school. And then an hour of homework. Kids need more activity in school an it’s been taken away both in school and after school.
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I bet they have a lot behavioral problems, and I bet they see slower rates of skill mastery. People should be fighting for more recess time daily, that can’t be taken away as punishment. Playing is learning. Of course, it’s not quantifiable learning, so the testing companies (often also textbook makers) will keep supporting teacher’s unions so they can keep having an undue influence, and pedal this testing equals teacher accountability that doesn’t seem to be improving anything.
Hell, maybe we can make use of this dipshit at the Pentagon, push more play and physical activity, as well as more robust school lunch (and breakfast and snacks) programs. Future potential soldiers need more calcium and vitamin D from good food and sunshine!
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Sounds good until you realize the environmental problems.
Since most kids are no longer needed to work in the fields, it might be possible to realign the school year. There would surely be some push-back on that, however.
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Hey husband grew up in Alaska, and they played in the gym when it was too severely cold and snowy to be outside. This just means more nutritious food is needed to make up for it. Personally, I hated going outside any time the temp was less than 50 degrees, so I would have been happy with more gym activities.
Lots of schools have closer to year round, with shorter, more often breaks. Some place like AK isn’t going to move too much into summer though, because the long days there have the sun up until 1 am, and it really messes with sleep routines.
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And there’s a solution that isn’t unilateral disarmament.
Gradual, phased multilateral disarmament was US and Russian policy for decades. Unfortunately, changes in leadership around the turn of the century resulted in both nations backing off that policy.
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Except we outsize the military of… pretty much the rest of the planet combined. We could cut back a lot without making ourselves unsafe. And when we seem like less of a threat, others will back off on their militaries as well. For the classic case of that one guy who decides he needs to be emporer of the world, we and anyone else can build up a little if necessary to put a lid on that.
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If we appear less of a threat, others will become more of a threat. All it takes for an otherwise peaceful nation to go to war is a charismatic authoritarian who thinks he can win.
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Si vis pacem, para bellum.
If you want peace, prepare for war.
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Less of a threat than what?
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“And when we seem like less of a threat, others will back off on their militaries as well. For the classic case of that one guy who decides he needs to be emporer of the world, we and anyone else can build up a little if necessary to put a lid on that.”
As I recall this was the original intent of NATO. It expects every member state to maintain a certain proportional size of army – and the only reason it’s always the US getting called in is because the US armed forces are ridiculously disproportionate and can deal with, using a single ready-to-go battlegroup, a situation which might demand France, the UK and Germany would need to muster a cooperative response.
Problem is that by now the US armed forces have become like the classic bureaucracies of overly socialized states in the 80’s – such an intrinsic part of the economy that “downscaling” it would be akin to taking an axe to several vital parts of the national finance systems.
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Yep. I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in ‘m teeth.
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That’s why we need our implements of destruction.
This again?
When I went through basic training many (many) years ago stress breaks in leg bones was something being studied. My company took part in the study, and we were part of the control group using the older approach to basic training where the marching under load started early and then let up a little bit before increasing. The other control group had the heavy loads on the soldiers later in the cycle.
This is something that has been concern to the military for a long time. Any medical professional making off the cuff remarks without being aware of the studies that have taken place is not all that professional.
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That’s the thing I hate about history. People who lived in olden times had it easy because there was so much less history to study…
Douglas Adams’ quote about our reactions to technologies seems oddly fitting:
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“When I was your age, I used to be with ‘it’
but then they changed what ‘it’ was.
Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore
and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary.
It will happen to you.”
-Abraham Simpson
News Flash?
yeah, as from personal experience from over 20 years ago, having been enlisted for a few years at that point when i was stationed in a armor unit in Germany, just prior to deployment to the first Gulf “War,” seeing the new soldiers fresh out of basic, “be bopping” along in uniform prior to formation–not walking, like normal humans, not holding proper posture, but moving like an anthropomorphized Slinky.
Displaying that the affect of the single soldier individual apartments (no, not barracks) during basic training with all their hand-holding lest they cry while being trained for the stresses to be experienced in COMBAT; being afraid that one of the children might whine to their momi, who then will whine to their Congress member about the “poor, innocent, helpless little child” being yelled at (oh, the humanity!) in basic training;
THIS “news” is by no means a surprise, more like, duh.
So what better way to undermine countries’ sovereignty: whittle away ANY means of holding those principles that established said country by assuring the children remain children as long as possible into “adulthood.”
If you need ANY additional proof: just note those chaotic four years where we had to endure the infantile antics of a certain Rump, roast, that was in Office.
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ok boomer
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US enlisted military, in both basic and rating school, have to live in barracks. Unmarried enlisted are required to use the barracks for housing, depending on service branch and paygrade.
Beyond this, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Fresh soldiers who’ve never seen combat, outside formation, don’t look or act like combat vets and therefore aren’t adult enough for you thereby undermining national sovereignty?
The Pentagon needs to look at how to boost recruiting kids with STEM skills.
Thank the FSM they are focused on the problems with video games…
I mean if they decided to look at the White Supremacists joining for training & recruiting they might actually notice something to worry about.
That’s one way to distract from what a shitshow the general officers have been for 40 years or more, and only getting worse.
Kids these days
Not sure about the bone mass. But I once played table tennis against my gamer wizzkid intern; I don’t think he hit the table even a dozen times, and never made a success serve.
Not sure if I’m dissing gamers or praising the potential of assistive technology.
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Table tennis is a different set of skills than playing a video game. A regular table tennis player could trash an olympic athelete at table tennis, through superior understanding of how to manipulate the ball and paddle.
I can have quite fine bone density and have the basic fitness necessary to complete boot camp and suck at ping pong. Your comparison shows nothing but you bragging about beating a kid unskilled at table tennis. Big Man!
Do the humane thing
Don’t send kids to fight wars. Send robots instead that are remote controlled by today’s video game generation.
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Can we turn the Olympics into an every 4 year battle, where we send our best bots to battle each other to solve disputes and all this other silly saber rattling bullshit?
I mean then people might tune in for it.
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I vote for a global Battlebots tournament.