MAHA Institute: Nix The Entire Childhood Vaccine Schedule
from the crazy-pants dept
If you agree with me that what RFK Jr. has done at HHS — particularly when it comes to altering vaccine schedules, approvals, research, and access — is bad well, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Kennedy rode Trump’s coattails, building his own Make America Health Again (MAHA) movement on the back of the wider MAGA orgy of fascism Trump has constructed. The MAGA people are generally those who have followed Kennedy’s checkered career for years and not only act as his public ally for all the crazy shit he says and does, but also serve to push him even further than he’s already gone. And while not every idea coming out of the MAHA people is horrible, the majority certainly are.
So, back to vaccines. Kennedy has already done immense harm to vaccination policy and research in America, particularly when it comes to children. But the MAHA Institute, a D.C. think tank that pushes Kennedy’s wider agenda, would like to please just do away with all childhood vaccine schedules until each shot can “be proven” to be safe.
Leaders of the MAHA Institute, the Robert F. Kennedy Jr.-allied think tank pushing Make America Health Again movement policies, stated their position on vaccines unequivocally on Monday: “The childhood vaccination schedule needs to be eliminated,” the policy group’s president, Mark Gorton, said.
“All vaccines need to be removed from the market until they can be proven to be safe and effective,” Gorton told an audience of supporters gathered in the Willard Hotel’s Crystal Room for a panel discussion on the “Massive Epidemic of Vaccine Injury.”
Now, Kennedy didn’t attend the event. He doesn’t determine its agenda. He isn’t directly responsible for what is said by this group. But if you go through all the other nonsense these people are saying, you will recognize that much of it aligns directly with claims Kennedy has made over the years and into the present. And the history of MAHA Institute events and its guests certainly portrays a sense that the government listens to these people.
The event, just a block from the White House, comes at an interesting time for the MAHA movement in Washington. It is clear that the institute, and the movement it is part of, have the administration’s ear; attendees of past events have included senior HHS adviser Calley Means and Food and Drug Administration official Sara Brenner.
And that should be particularly terrifying, given that you can very easily get these same people to admit that they just make shit up when it suits them.
Gorton displayed slides with titles like “The Polio Fraud” and “The flu shot has given 1,900,000 Americans Alzheimer’s,” and, simply, “VACCINES ARE THE GREATEST SCAM IN MEDICAL HISTORY.”
At another moment, Gorton claimed that HHS had commissioned more than 100 studies into vaccine injuries. When asked by NOTUS where he got that number, he said Kennedy had previously stated his desire to further study vaccines.
“I don’t know much more than they’re commissioning a bunch of studies,” Gorton told NOTUS.
So what would eliminating approval for childhood vaccinations in a full sweep in America mean if it happens? Healthcare facilities would be entirely overrun. Hospitals would have to exponentially increase the size of their pediatric wards. Trillions of dollars would need to be spent to deal with the illnesses that would result. Real estate would have to be set aside to serve as graveyards filled with tiny little coffins.
This is from the CDC’s own website in 2023.
Among children born during 1994–2023, routine childhood vaccinations will have prevented approximately 508 million cases of illness, 32 million hospitalizations, and 1,129,000 deaths, resulting in direct savings of $540 billion and societal savings of $2.7 trillion.
Gone are the days of any of us thinking that an idea or plan is just too crazy for this particular administration to enact. We simply can’t afford to bet on that sort of minimal sense-making occurring any longer.
So sit up and pay attention, because anything that remotely looks like the eradication of childhood vaccines in America would be no less than a childhood healthcare holocaust.
Filed Under: anti-vaxxers, cdc, childhood vaccines, disease, health, maha, mark gorton, measles, polio, rfk jr., vaccines
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Comments on “MAHA Institute: Nix The Entire Childhood Vaccine Schedule”
“The childhood vaccination schedule needs to be eliminated,”
is a claim that has never been made by a human being.
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Are you implying they don’t have enough neurons to be called “human beings”, but more some new species of plants?
And now it seems that Krazy Noem has taken a fair share of the remaining neurons when she left (not that she would ever use them but nobody wanted them), they’re more close to minerals then ever.
This is another instance where you’d be fine with the stupidity if it didn’t affect innocent people. Like with covid, you were fine that dumbasses got themselves infected, but it led to grandmothers and children and random people they encountered getting infected and sometimes dying, so it wasn’t okay. It was fine if some random 50 year old Trump supporter wanted to get the ivermectin shits or waste money on homeopathic “cures.”
But this is expressly the same evil abuse as Christian Science and Jehovah’s Witness parents who refuse medical care for their children, preferring they die than benefit from modern science and treatments.
It also undermines the entire “parents rights” narrative that conservatives like to spin whenever an issue comes up. You don’t get to kill your children just because you’re a brainwashed dumbass. Except, in America, you actually do. And that’s fucking horrible.
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And it’s not just the innocent children of these vile plague fiends. Any immunocompromised individuals and those too young to receive the jabs are put at an immense risk whether or not they or their parents subscribe to this lunacy.
Dante was not imaginative enough to give the people who knowingly promote this anti-health nonsense, like Wakefield or RFK Jr, what they deserve.
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Why would you want to stop a program that more than pays for itself in direct savings?
That’s ignoring all of the other societal benefits like less disabilities and deaths.
The term “parents rights” seems to be used most by people that do not understand that parental duties are more important. The “do what I say, not do what I do” type.
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Yeah, I’ve said it before but the phrase “parents’ rights” itself reveals a profound disconnect between what those people think parenthood is and what I think it is.
I don’t think being a parent gives me special rights. I think it gives me some pretty fucking serious responsibilities. Such as making sure my kid doesn’t fucking get polio.
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In many developed countries, children have more rights on their own, that their parents have over them.
Sadly, it’s still not the case in emerging countries like the US.
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People who scream the loudest about parents rights seem almost universally to be under the delusion that their rights as parents extend to the children of other people.
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No children without SEVERE pre-existing health conditions died from covid. If you were under 30, regular flu was literally more dangerous to you than covid (and flu does kill quite a few people each year)
Worse, the vaccine really did nothing to reduce infection OR transmission rates (low single digit %, it DID reduce severity) so you really had NO excuse trying to make other people get it.
You will tell yourself horrible lies to justify that insanity. It was not even vaguely scientifically justified. No, “long covid” isn’t really a thing etc.
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I know this is a complete waste of time, since you’ve already ran off to probably generate more kiddie-port on ExTwitter to crank it to… but y’all got any kind of, y’know, evidence of this? Or just the rantings of the rabid starved weasel you call a brain?
How about this: how about you go fuck off, champ.
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Let’s not pretend you’re interested in evidence.
There are public stats about all of this, they’re just not talked about cuz….they’re inconvenient.
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We are all interested in evidence, something you seem incapable of supplying. You make grandiose claims and when called out you start behaving like a child instead of actually providing any kind of facts backing your claims up.
And the whole “No children without SEVERE pre-existing health conditions died from covid”, why are you repeating Sen Rand Paul’s false and debunked statements?
It’s kind of funny that you don’t even understand that you aren’t even here to prove us wrong or convince us, you are only here for your own benefit in convincing yourself that you are right regardless of reality.
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First, you’re full of shit, but I’ll play along because even if you weren’t, your stated positions are still bad.
So it was okay for the kids with severe pre-existing health conditions to die via infection from others who refused to get vaccinated? That’s not a great argument.
This is whataboutism and a false dilemma. You can get the flu and the covid vaccine. I did. And “more dangerous” doesn’t mean covid isn’t dangerous since people under 30 did actually die from covid. But this entire comparison game is bullshit. You can do it with anything. “Covid killed fewer humans than the meteorite killed dinosaurs so just walk it off, snowflake!” Except you’re bonkers enough to probably believe the dinosaurs were killed by alien assassins in an intergalactic war with the Thetans or something.
Sure, except for all the studies that say otherwise, but I’m sure the three “studies” from anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists who just happened to also be selling alternative “cures” were the only valid studies, right?
I got the covid vaccine and never got covid, despite being exposed to individuals who were infected multiple times. My partner never got it either. So anecdotally, either we were just really lucky or the vaccine does reduce infection rates (as the studies report).
I love how you assign responsibility for pressure to get vaccinations to randos on the internet. It was literally medical professionals saying people should get vaccinated. And nutjobs like you were fear-mongering about roving bands of government agents who were going to forcibly jab everyone.
…he says while dripping essential oils and cinnamon into his unpasteurized latte to ward off the measles he got from his unvaccinated toddler while reviewing the uniform commercial code to find the magic words that will prevent a judge from jailing him for driving without a license, insurance, or plates. But it’s all just a stopgap measure until the aliens return to help us stop the lizard people who are definitely the communists who have infiltrated the state department! But hey, since covid is a myth, at least you were able to go back to licking doorknobs for fun!
Meanwhile my 5G reception is great since they injected me with that microchip disguised as a covid vaccine! I can control computer with my mind now!
Sincerely, though, I do appreciate the opportunity to relive some of the stupidest and most hilarious Reddit threads from the pandemic days.
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It is, actually, you unscientific numbnut, cuz those children are already on a knife’s edge and just about anything can push them over, such as regular flu.
And no, you don’t get to say “if it saves just one life…” cuz that’s not how that works. All those remedies have other costs, including the lives of others.
I’m not gonna read the rest of it because you obviously don’t even understand basic statistics or cost benefit.
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Except, it isn’t because we vaccinate against the flu more than we did covid. And if we can prevent deaths, that’s a good thing. You writing them off as not mattering is just you being an unempathetic ass.
Fewer people die from vaccination than from the disease vaccines prevent, so it’s a net positive. It’s not if it saves just one life. It’s that it saves many lives, unscientific numbnut who doesn’t understand cost benefit analysis.
You should look into the basic statistics regarding the treatment of ADHD with Adderall if you can’t read a few paragraphs.
But also, you brought up covid vaccination, but you missed that the anti-vax movement doesn’t tend to differentiate between which are more important. It leads to parents just forgoing all vaccinations for their kids, so pretending it’s just covid vaccinations that people are skeptical of is bullshit.
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Even if what you say is true, which is questionable,it has little bearing on the panoply of other vaccine preventable infectious diseases .
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It shows a basic lack of ability to calculate cost/benefit/risk.
To take a relatively unpolitical example, the flu vaccine is remarkably shitty, like 40% effectiveness. It causes most people to feel bad for a day, with minimal effectiveness against a disease that is relatively harmless. If you are the kinda person that flu is more likely to be deadly for (lots of old people) it’s probably a good idea, but for healthy people it’s pretty marginal.
People are just not weighing these things with the proper calculation.
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If there’s anyone who can’t calculate risks, it’s anti vaxxers who clutch their pearls over the extremely rare side effects of vaccines while blithely hand waving off the much greater risks of disease.
And that’s before we get to rest of their deliberate and systematic abuse of medical statistics, like the claim that hygine, not vaccines eliminated disease, that ignore the fact that while the death rate dropped before vaccines, it was vaccines that pushed the case rate off the cliff.
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And never mind how many anti-vax proponents are actually grifters pushing alternative “medicine” and “treatments” and “cures” which wouldn’t sell as well if their suckers were better informed.
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One of these antivax grifters even destroyed one of his retinas with the snake oil he promotes, yet still makes false claims exaggerating vaccine harms.
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No, you’re just disagreeing with how they choose to weigh the chances and the cost of failure to take precautions. You can’t possibly know everyone’s situation or all the factors that go into their decisions.
You’re also only listing the lowest percentage for flu vaccine effectiveness. It can get up to 60% in some populations.
You also seem to make a critical error in your understanding of statistics. Statistics are gathered from data from multiple people with varying degrees of exposure, pre-existing health conditions, climate, genetic pre-dispositions, immuno-compromising habits and medications and diets, etc. For some people, the flu vaccine is either 100% effective or they simply haven’t been exposed. Both are perfectly acceptable to some people.
I haven’t gotten the flu in years and I’ve been getting a flu vaccine for years. By your reckoning, nobody should get it even though for some people, it is 100% effective.
This myopic view that statistics are some universal shared truth rather than a pool of data that sometimes has significant outliers means you’re not seeing the bigger picture. Your certainty that everyone else is stupid should be a red flag to you that you’re missing something. You sound like a freshmen psych student who starts diagnosing everyone around them with a copy of the DSM like you think you know something useful.
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Regarding the whole issue with Covid and morons not getting the vaccine: it also led to a glut of said morons clogging hospitals, and thus delaying otherwise innocent people from getting assistance. I still vividly remember when my partner suddenly collapsed and had to be rushed to the hospital to deal with an aortic separation, and the SEVERAL HOUR delay trying to find a place to take them, because all the hospitals were full.
Thankfully, since they’re apparently part-Highlander, they managed to pull through… though we’re still dealing with the aftermath five years later. But yeah, these morons can miss me with their anti-vax bullshit.
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Funny, my aunt died of lung cancer, at least partly because she didn’t get the proper screening due to covid lockdowns (which were not effective, anyway). Lots of variables there, but she WAS getting screened regularly (high risk) didn’t during the height of covid, and then a few years later died of metastatic lung cancer.
You are an idiot. Worse, you are an idiot who feels entitled to speak and your speech inflicts real harms cuz you have no capacity to weigh the costs and benefits and aren’t willing to listen to smarter people on it.
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By your own reckoning, this is acceptable because she already had a severe disease. If the idea she shouldn’t have died even with that consideration in mind occurs to you, then think about the children who did die of covid because assholes like you didn’t want to get vaccinated. Think of all the elderly people who died because assholes like you needed to see Meemaw during the lockdowns…which were effective for many people.
I never got covid during the lockdowns, got the vaccine and boosters when available. I’ve never gotten covid. Your mileage may vary. I didn’t have a habit of licking doorknobs. You sound like the type.
Yes, others should shut up and listen to “smarter” randos spewing vitriol and bad statistics and propaganda on the internet. Good call.
When Kennedy loses his loses his cases to the states and medical associations suing him maybe he’ll get discouraged and go away.
We should help Trump with his naming mania, start calling it the Trump Measles Epidemic, soon enough the Trump Polio Epidemic, Trump Measles Epidemic 2. Trump Whooping Cough 4. If we’re really lucky, Trump’s ability to always hire the most competent of folks and we could get Trump Small Pox Epidemic.
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I think this would work long term. Enough headlines of “Too Bloody Many Children Dying of Trump Measles” might finally push him to toss the MAHA plague promoters.
In the short term, there would probably be a non-trivial amount of MAGAts who intentionally try to get their kids infected with Dear Leader Measles though.
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I love that the people who think you should cut off kids body parts and give “puberty blockers” (which no, are not really reversible) also think they should decide what you should inject your kids with.
The only essential, near 100% upside vaccine is MMR. The others all have various degrees of effectiveness, need (seriously Polio doesn’t really exist anymore, especially in Western countries) and side effects, meaning they shouldn’t be required.
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First, regarding ‘not reversible’: once again, evidence, champ. You need to present it. Though again, you’re probably no longer here; you just popped in to leave a comment like a dog shitting on a forgotten newspaper, then ran off to your lifelike Lolita doll or something.
Second, ‘polio doesn’t really exist anymore’. Yes, BECAUSE OF FUCKING VACCINES, MORON.
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38334046/
https://statsforgender.org/boys-receiving-puberty-blockers-for-gender-dysphoria-experienced-irreversible-changes-to-their-testes/
Please stop talking idiot.
Yes, I’m aware. Did I say we didn’t ever need the vaccine? No, we did, it was great. BUT THE VIRUS IS GONE NOW AND WE DON’T NEED THE VACCINE ANYMORE.
Not only are you horrible at statistics and critical thinking, you cannot even read.
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Hint: The US isn’t the entire planet. Just because it’s not endemic in the US ,that doesn’t mean the polio virus is gone, it’s still present in other parts of the world. So as long as international travel is a thing, it can be introduced to the US again.
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So a study by an anti-trans activist whose work was rejected by multiple journals and an anti-trans website run by Genspect, an anti-trans organization “for parents.”
Bring some actual science next time, if any actually supports your position.
First, your statistics are bullshit. Second, you missed the point. The fact that polio isn’t really a thing in the US is because of the vaccine. Hence, vaccines can be effective. Hence the current anti-vax movement that has infected the US government and multiple communities is dangerous and leading to issues that vaccines would prevent or diminish.
This isn’t 4chan. Nobody cares about your propaganda and bullshit here. That dopamine hit you get from feeling like you know the truth and everyone else is stupid is going to wear out if you try hitting the button too often. You’ll have to get angrier and more vitriolic to get the same high. Maybe carry a handkerchief to catch the spittle from your mouth-foaming.
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I love these absurd accusatory blanket statements that don’t require any validation, just gusto and unearned confidence.
All the people who like chicken mcnuggets also prefer to shove bananas up their noses. All the people with moles on their foreheads collect porcelain ducks.
Oh really? And why is that? It couldn’t possibly be for the reason that we fucking vaccinated people, right?
You walked headfirst into the Preparedness Paradox.
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Yes, we did and now we don’t have to. That is seriously how it works. The virus is gone.
We don’t vaccinate against smallpox anymore either, dumbass.
I never said we never should have vaccinated against polio. We should not NOW.
You can’t even read.
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Polio isn’t Smallpox, it hasn’t been eradicated, there are still corners of the world where it’s endemic, so as long as there’s international travel it could be reintroduced to places where it’s been practically eliminate.
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Again, you missed the point. The fact that we don’t is because we did, which you recognize. Hence vaccines can be effective. But you’re here telling us they’re not effective. It undermines your whole fucking point.
You can’t even understand if you bother to read.
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So, the people claiming falsely claiming that vaccines contain mind control nanobots activated by 5g should be able to tell us all that nobody can have any vaccines instead?
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And speaking of puberty blockers – look up RFK’s favorite unqualified hack (I can’t say quack because he’s not a doctor)- David Geier, who is now working as a senior data analyst for HHS researching vaccines.
He and his father charged parents thousands for a “treatment” for autism was the administration of a combination of Luperon – the drug used for chemical castration, and chelation therapy, based on the mere hypothesis that autism was caused by the interaction of high testoterone and heavy metals.
Geier senior lost his medical license over his abuse, David was fined thousands for practicing medicine without a license.
So in short… stop pretending you’re outraged about reckless use of puberty blockers, because it’s seems only when someone isn’t cis that it’s a problem.
https://metacast.app/podcast/where-there-s-woke/EylvZegQ/wtw84-rfk-s-choice-to-head-autism-study-a-total-fraud-who-abused-autistic-kids-while-posing-as-a/3RrjhaxK
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exist exclusively in the delusions of those infected with the degenerate mental disease of transphobia.
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You can’t be “phobic” about something that doesn’t even exist.
You just a have mental illness (several, usually, besides the dysphoria)
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“[trans people don’t] even exist”
“besides the dysphoria”
Make up your mind. Is gender dysphoria real or not?
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“I harbor irrational hatred for people who don’t exist,” is a wild flex.
Millennials tend not to think of ourselves as living in times before vaccines, but the vaccine for meningococcal diseases was not developed for widespread use until the late nineties/early two thousands. When I was in the fifth grade, it was not yet a part of the childhood vaccine schedule. Two classmates and I came down with meningitis that year. Christopher didn’t make it. He was there one day and gone the next for no good reason. A vaccine would have saved his life. It also would have saved my class from the confusing grief and survivors guilt that came after. Vaccines save individual lives, but their effects, even indirect ones like saving kids from
the devastating consequences of losing a friend, are community wide. I wish people would just get it. RIP Christine, love Moron.
I’m sure Canada will enjoy the instant development of a Vaccine Tourism Industry
The kids’ll die until morale improves, I guess.
So, their preferred policy for [not just] kids is “if they die, they die” (in so many words).
'We need to study their effects!' 'We have, you're wrong.' 'Those don't count!'
“All vaccines need to be removed from the market until they can be proven to be safe and effective,” Gorton told an audience of supporters gathered in the Willard Hotel’s Crystal Room for a panel discussion on the “Massive Epidemic of Vaccine Injury.”
You know as much as I hate to say it that pro-plaguer has a point, it is important that studies be done to ensure that drugs including vaccines are both safe to take and effective at preventing or lessening the impact of the illnesses they’re meant to combat and he’s absolute right to say that.
We as a society can but hope that one day the medical community will get together and do maybe one or two studies to verify that vaccinations are in fact ‘safe and effective’ and don’t cause the fate-worse-than-death that is autism.
Re: what's wrong with (neuro-)diversity
I am doing a lot of project work, in teams where each individual brings their own strengths and weaknesses. A strong team plays into the strengths of their members. Autists have weaknesses and unique strengths. It would be a waste to not use their capabilities.
(BTW, I do think sufficient research has been done on currently recommended vaccines to call them “beneficial, until strong evidence of the contrary shows up.”)
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TOG is being deeply sarcastic/parodic, Mathfox.
How stupid can I be?
You would not consider,
That Any of this is for a Purpose.
Excuse what Im saying.
But WHAT a way to Improve the education level of a nation.
Its a Pied Piper effect. Follow the leader. But WHAT is at the end.
HOW to get rid of excess farm workers.. Kick out the Imports and Kill off the ones that DONT know how to do the job. So we can use MORE chemicals.
I find it Strange that 1 group wants to pay off our War Loans, and the Other side dont think we Should, and we can do it ANOTHER way, the Capitalist way.
Kennedy road Trump’s coattails…you mean ‘rode’, right?