Popular Stream-Ripping Site Declines To Play Whac-A-Mole With YouTube

from the fine-you-win dept

We have been talking these past few weeks about a strange game of whac-a-mole currently being played between YouTube and a whole bunch of stream-ripping websites. While stream-ripping sites have been targeted by the music industry specifically for some time now, despite a wide range of non-infringing uses of such technology, it was only recently that YouTube decided to participate in all of this by blocking access to its platform for many of these sites. Built around claims of ToS violations, it's fairly clear that YouTube's actual goal in all of this is to appear to be attempting to bow to the music industry's wishes. Despite the blocks, many of these sites have managed to route around the blockade, thus the game of whac-a-mole.

But not all such sites have taken this stance. Onlinevideoconverter.com, which initially routed around the block, has since announced that it is voluntarily leaving the hide-and-seek game and will simply stop converting YouTube videos itself.

However, the team behind the site isn’t planning to keep up this fight. People who access the stream-ripper today will notice that YouTube downloads have stopped working again. A site representative informs TorrentFreak that this is intentional.

“In view of YouTube’s latest stance, we’ve decided to disable the conversion of all YouTube videos on our service,” OVC says.

The stream-ripping site notes that the decision was taken voluntarily and not after it was contacted directly by rightsholders or YouTube. OVC simply believes that it’s the best direction to take and it stresses that other downloading and conversion tools remain available.

While other sites are still keeping up with the game, the exit of OVC is significant, as it is certainly one of the most popular stream-ripping sites on the internet. This may, of course, have been part of YouTube's overall plan. While its initial strike wasn't particularly effective, perhaps it actually was if seen as something of a warning shot. Google and YouTube have a ton of legal and influential weight to throw around, after all, and taking this initial action was bound to be enough to spook some sites.

Which is a shame, actually. The fact remains that these sites have legitimate uses. I've used them in the past for publicly available lectures and educational material from technology manufacturers that have no reason to view an audio rip as problematic. And, again, what about the artists out there who actually embrace what the internet can offer and want their work made as widely available as possible?

They don't matter in this fight, apparently. And that's a reality the music industry, and apparently now YouTube, can't seem to recognize.

Filed Under: copyright, culture, fair use, stream ripping, whac-a-mole
Companies: onlinevideoconverter, youtube


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    The Undy Minter, 25 Jul 2019 @ 8:38pm

    Yesterday's news slanted the inimitable Techdirt way.

    Last night I used this to rebut you, Timmy! And here you stand this on its head so can look up its rear and call it good news for pirates!

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    Name three. -- Bet ya can't, cause IF such exist who want to work for free, are unknown because their work isn't valuable!

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      Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2019 @ 9:47pm

      Re:

      Dan Bull, Amanda Palmer, Jonathan Coulter.

      Next!

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    Pixelation, 25 Jul 2019 @ 9:17pm

    Real reason

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    Oliver, 25 Jul 2019 @ 10:42pm

    Correct me if I am wrong:

    but why do they need a separate website to rip youtube videos?
    Haven't they heard of such a thing as plugins for FF and Chrome, that do that task just fine?
    Donwloadhelper for FF comes to mind.

    What am I not getting here?
    Cheers, oliver

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    Roy Rogers, 26 Jul 2019 @ 3:45am

    "...taking this initial action was bound to be enough to spook some sites."

    They have been shown the door. Twice.

    They are taking the hint, they aren't welcome on youtube. Youtube can ban whoever they want, right?

    No one is being forced to use youtube and as mentioned, there are other apps and other sites

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      TFG, 26 Jul 2019 @ 6:53am

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      It is entirely correct that YouTube is free to ban whomever they please. Notably, the article does not say they are not within their legal rights to do so.

      We are, however, equally free to point out the loss of (non-infringing) functionality that this action can lead to, the ineffectiveness of the method that was employed to effect the action, and the likely motivation behind doing so.

      Basically, just because they can, doesn't mean it's a good idea to actually do, and doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized for doing so.

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        Roy Rogers, 26 Jul 2019 @ 10:43am

        Re: Re:

        "Basically, just because they can, doesn't mean it's a good idea to actually do, and doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized for doing so."

        Not good for them, but good for the public as youtube could use some bigger competition. I guess it depends on who you are rooting for, John Q Public or Too Big To Fail Corporation

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 26 Jul 2019 @ 8:48am

      You’re so preoccupied with whether they can that you didn’t stop to think whether they should.

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        Roy Rogers, 27 Jul 2019 @ 1:27pm

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        Did you have anything to add that hasn't already been said?

        Or were you so preoccupied with posting anything you didn't think to look and see if you should?

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    Anonymous Coward, 26 Jul 2019 @ 4:36am

    YouTube could reduce the pressure for ripping sites by enabling the uploader an option of allowing their videos to be downloaded.

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    TasMot (profile), 26 Jul 2019 @ 5:42am

    Ripping Sites

    I think I am missing something. Can't the ripping site stream the video through the users browser? Then it just looks like the "end user" is using the stream.

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    Ninja (profile), 26 Jul 2019 @ 7:01am

    There are still plenty of tools that will do it without any interference. This is just a total waste of resources.

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      Gary (profile), 26 Jul 2019 @ 7:10am

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      It's don't to placate the record companies who are on the warpath.
      YouTube isn't supposed to allow downloads, per their license agreements.
      The record companies have made threats because YouTube wasn't "doing something." The have now done something.

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