Devin Nunes Releases Memo That Doesn't Show The Surveillance Abuses He Hypocritically 'Cares' About

from the owning-the-libs-by-pretending-to-do-his-job dept

House intelligence oversight leader Devin Nunes released his supposed bombshell Friday. The Nunes memo was supposed to contain info showing the FBI had engaged in a questionable, politically-motivated investigation of Trump staff. How this news was supposed to be shocking was anyone's guess. Anyone who has followed the FBI's activities since the days of J. Edgar Hoover already knows the FBI engages in questionable, politically-motivated investigations. The only new twist is the FISA court's involvement and the use of secretive surveillance powers to collect domestic communications.

The FBI responded by noting the memo [PDF] contained "material omissions of fact." What's contained in the memo likely provides rhetorical ammo to those who believe Trump and his advisors did nothing wrong during the run-up to the election. But it will only provide limited support. What's contained in the memo are accusations the FBI sought (and obtained) FISA warrants to surveill one-time Trump advisor Carter Page. The FBI -- according to the memo -- used the dubious Christopher Steele dossier to buttress its allegations. It apparently continued to do so even after it knew the Steele dossier had been paid for by the Democratic National Committee.

The memo notes this interception was not performed under Title VII, which covers the recently-renewed Section 702 collection powers. This surveillance was performed under Title I -- a more "traditional" FISA process in which the government seeks probable cause-based warrants from the FISA court, much like law enforcement officers seek warrants from magistrate judges.

The memo suggests the FBI should have dropped the investigation -- or at least given the FISA court heads up -- once it became apparent the Steele dossier was politically compromised. But the FBI continued to ask for renewals and these requests were approved by law enforcement officials Trump and most of the Republican party no longer care for. The list includes James Comey (fired), Andrew McCabe (resigned), Sally Yates (fired), and Rod Rosenstein (who Trump would apparently like to fire).

The memo also points out that Christopher Steele was "terminated" (as a source) by the FBI for disclosing his relationship with the agency to the press. Steele also apparently stated he was very interested in preventing Trump from winning the national election. There's also mention of a conflict of interest: a deputy attorney general who worked with those pursuing an investigation of Carter Page was married to a woman who worked for Fusion GPS, the research group paid by the DNC to dig up dirt on Trump.

This all seems very damning at first blush. The Nunes memo is the party's attempt to derail the FBI's ongoing investigation of the Trump campaign and its involvement with Russian meddling in the presidential election. But there's a lot missing from the memo. The facts are cherry-picked to present a very one-sided view of the situation.

The rebuttal letter [PDF] from Democratic legislators is similarly one-sided. But adding both together, you can almost assemble a complete picture of the FBI's actions. The rebuttal points out Christopher Steele had no idea who was funding his research beyond Fusion GPS. It also points out the dirt-digging mission was originally commissioned by the Washington Free Beacon, a right-leaning DC press entity.

It also points out something about the paperwork needed to request a FISA warrant. To secure a renewal, the FBI would have to show it had obtained evidence of value with the previous warrant. If it can't, it's unlikely the renewal request would be approved by FBI directors and/or US attorneys general. The multiple renewals suggest the FBI had actually obtained enough evidence of Carter Page's illicit dealings with the Russians to sustain an ongoing investigation.

Beyond that, there's the fact that Devin Nunes -- despite spending days threatening to release this "damning" memo -- never bothered to view the original documents underlying his assertions of FBI bias. In an interview with Fox News after the memo's release, Nunes admitted he had not read the FBI's warrant applications. So, the assertions are being made with very limited info. Nunes apparently heard the Steele dossier was involved and that was all he needed to compile a list of reasons to fire current Trump nemesis Robert Mueller... disguised as a complaint about improper surveillance.

It's this complaint about abuse of surveillance powers that really chafes. Nunes throttled attempts at Section 702 reform last month and now wants to express his concerns that the FBI and FISA court may not be protecting Americans quite as well as they should. Marcy Wheeler has a long, righteously angry piece at Huffington Post detailing the rank hypocrisy of Nunes' self-serving memo.

Because Nunes and others ― up to and including House Speaker Paul Ryan ― claimed to be motivated by a concern about civil liberties, it was generally assumed the privacy community would join the clamor. But those of us who’ve been through several surveillance fights with these posers know the reality is far more complex. Ultimately, two principles are at issue: the rule of law and privacy. In both instances, Nunes and Ryan are on the wrong side of the issue.

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A mere three weeks ago, Nunes and Ryan were happy to have Americans surveilled with no evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing. Back then, Ryan backed suspicionless, warrantless searches of Americans as a necessary trade off. “This [bill] strikes the balance that we must have between honoring and protecting privacy rights of U.S. citizens, honoring civil liberties, and making sure that we have the tools we need in this day and age of 21st century terrorism to keep our people safe.”

Today, however, when a former Trump campaign adviser is at issue, Nunes and Ryan have discovered the due process they personally refused for so many Americans.

This isn't Devin Nunes' first ride on the surveillance hypocrisy merry-go-round. Just like Dianne Feinstein on the other side of the political aisle, Nunes doesn't give two shits about domestic surveillance unless it's being used against him and his. Somehow, Nunes believes libertarians and anti-surveillance progressives will join him in his excoriation of the FBI and its alleged abuse of domestic surveillance powers. But he's not going to win any converts. The hill Nunes has chosen to die on with this memo is this: the law should protect the powerful from questionable snooping. It has nothing to say about the marginalized groups targeted most frequently by security agencies and law enforcement.

Every single privacy activist I know cares about privacy in significant part to ensure the rule of law and to prevent the arbitrary exercise of justice to focus just on select groups like Muslims or Chinese-Americans, rather than those who pose the greatest risk to society, like people allegedly doing Russia’s secret bidding. Yet the actions of Ryan and Nunes reverse that, using a sham concern for civil liberties as a way to prevent themselves, their associates, and the president from being subject to the rule of law like the rest of us would be.

Moving beyond that, there's the damage done to the FBI by the president and the party that follows him. Trump proclaimed himself a "law and order" president and stated he would always have law enforcement's back. But he's spent most of his time in the White House battling the FBI and DOJ, hoping to make investigations into his campaign's questionable relationship with Russia vanish. He wasted no time alienating the FBI simply because its former director wouldn't give him a pledge of loyalty.

Now, with Nunes releasing a completely unredacted memo, the FBI will suffer even more harm. The agency now knows its sources might be exposed for purely political reasons. Very few people will work with the FBI knowing their names might be splashed all over documents released voluntarily by intelligence oversight committee members. This administration has made it clear no one is safe from public disclosure, even as it does everything it can to shut down unauthorized leaks. Again, the hypocrisy is undeniable. While every administration desires to control the narrative, few have been this transparent about their motives.

There should be no rush to lionize the FBI and the officials Trump has discarded because of perceived lack of loyalty. The FBI is no better than it was before Trump took office. It's no champion of civil liberties and it is in the wrong position to pretend to speak truth to power simply by continuing to exist. Abuse of surveillance powers is a very real thing and the FBI remains one of the worst offenders. The memo is Nunes photoshopping a bunch of smoke over a small, ordinary flame and claiming it's photographic evidence of the FBI's antipathy towards Trump. If abuse occurred under Nunes' watch, then it should be called out. But laying bare the details of an ongoing investigation just to score political points is a terrible abuse of Nunes' oversight powers.


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The First Word

Two key points from the Nunes memo

In a stunning case of "own goal", the very end of the memo points out that the FBI had an investigation going long before the Steele memo (which isn't a memo at all, but a series of reports) came along. There are two reasons that the FBI paid attention to the Steele memo: (1) Steele has a reputation, a very good one, along with lots of experience and a sizable network of contacts (2) the contents of Steele documents matched things THEY ALREADY KNEW TO BE TRUE.

The second point bears some explanation, because most of you don't have jobs that require the assessment of raw intelligence that comes from multiple people who may be omitting things or fabricating things or deliberately embedding some truth in a web of lies. The Steele memo is just that kind of raw intelligence, which is why -- if you take the time to read it -- you'll notice that Steele himself points out the possible presence of these issues.

But when you get your hands on raw intelligence, and it gives you -- let's say -- 100 facts that you can check, and you find that 82 of them are true, 16 are unverifiable, and 2 are false -- then you have good reason to think that at least some of those 16 are worth further investigation because they may well turn out to be true. That's why you get a warrant: first, to re-re-re-verify the 82 and second, to find out about those 16. That's your JOB.

Then of course you have to make some progress. Because if you don't, then you're not going to get multiple judges to renew your warrant multiple times. You might still not be able to check all 16 of those outstanding items, but if you can check 4 and make progress on 7, then you're getting there and it's reasonable for a judge to grant more time. If you can't check any of them, then maybe you're barking up the wrong tree and the warrant you seek isn't going to help anyway.

One more thing. This isn't an edge case. Anyone who goes out of their way to pal around with intelligence agents from another country, even a friendly one, should expect that they're going to get surveilled: by us, by them, and by third parties who are of course interested in such things for reasons of their own. And anyone who openly brags about it should REALLY expect scrutiny. I have no great love for the FBI, but in this case, they did exactly what any sensible organization should do: start watching people who are heavily interacting with known agents of a hostile foreign power.
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    That One Guy (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 5:31am

    Hypocrisy thick enough to build a house with

    Gotta love how some of the same people who were perfectly fine with warrantless surveillance of domestic data are now feigning shock that someone who was already under an investigation looking into the target's ties to another country had the investigation re-authorized for another period of time under a process that apparently requires them to demonstrate that it was productive and finding something.

    Scoop up domestic communications just in case? Not a problem, no, no need to bother with a warrant, that's just excessive and helps no one but criminals, terrorists and commies.

    Continue to investigate someone close to someone in power? Oh you better believe that's not acceptable.

    It's a blatant attempt to screw with another ongoing investigation, a move positively ripe with hypocrisy, and I can only hope it blows up in their faces in epic fashion.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:46am

    Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:55am

      Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

      So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate, for "research" that duplicates prior outline, even though the FBI knew Steele hadn't actually talked to any informants, let alone from the Kremlin, and that it was paid-for.

      Yup, only the target matters to Techdirt, not principle.

      Just look at this aspect some clever person noticed: Steele claimed to have info direct from the Kremlin on a super secret highly valuable Rooski plot, which Putin personally would want to find who leaked. No trouble, just asked his old pals. -- NOTHING about this fabrication stands the laugh test.

      Keep digging this hole, kids. Likely to be indictments with people going to jail, and then you'll have new martyrs to re-write NYT pieces on.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:03am

        Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

        Lying sure comes easy for you.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:09am

          Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

          > Lying sure comes easy for you.

          Ambiguous. MUCH comes easy to me that's difficult to impossible for YOU.

          However, assuming it's not a compliment: WHAT'S THE LIE? STATE IT PLAINLY.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:13am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:17am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

              Not denied. Carter Page was? So what?

              State what that proves for the "Trump-Russia" allegations.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:19am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                You're hopeless.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:38am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                  > You're hopeless.

                  That your last one-liner? Not going to at all address topic?

                  [ To others: I've been commenting here off and on for about six years, 5000 or so comments, and yet the fanboys STILL do the same trivial one-liners, usually with vile ad hom, in response. ]

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:43am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                    There is no "topic" to address with you.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:41am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                      There is no "topic" to address with you.

                      Huh? Steele's fabrications, THE MEMO and specifics in it relating to FBI / Deep State falsifying to FISA court aren't a "topic"?

                      Oh, I get ya now. You're just here for ad hom.

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                        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:27am

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                        lot of lefty fan boys on here... some good stuff but as with everything... the bias runs as deep here as it does at the fbi

                        full blinders of the never trumpers

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                          Roger Strong (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:47am

                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                          Lefties?

                          The head of the FBI is Trump appointee Christopher Wray, who Trump said is "a man of impeccable credentials." Wray himself says that the Republican House memo is false and misleading.

                          The renewal of the Carter Page FISA warrant was done by Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General appointed by Trump. Trump said that Rosenstein is "highly respected, very good guy, very smart guy. Democrats like him; the Republicans like him." He worked on Ken Starr’s Whitewater investigation into Bill and Hillary’s real estate dealings.

                          Rosenstein wrote the memo for Trump that Trump used to fire James Comey. Comey is a registered Republican who served in the Bush Administration and donated to the Presidential campaigns of John McCain and Mitt Romney.

                          All 11 FISA judges were appointed by Republican appointee John Roberts

                          Robert Mueller is a Republican, appointed the Director of the FBI by President George W. Bush in 2001.

                          Yeah, the lefties really stacked the deck there.

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                            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 12:00pm

                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                            you are the lefty... not the scoundrels you listed that should all be in jail if the "law" were actually enforced...

                            alas, we have two sets of laws... this memo makes it clear but won't change anything. cockroaches throughout this rooted system.

                            UN-CLASSIFY EVERYTHING and let the chips fall where they will... NO MORE SECRETS... THE POWER SYSTEM IS CORRUPT TO ITS CORE

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                              Roger Strong (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:25pm

                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                              you are the lefty...

                              Not being a Trump sycophant does not make one a "lefty."

                              alas, we have two sets of laws... this memo makes it clear

                              Accusations from Trump staff are not the same as facts. The memo makes clear only that they're as partisan as expected.

                              UN-CLASSIFY EVERYTHING and let the chips fall where they will

                              Uh huh. Just like your crowd was demanding #ReleaseTheMemo. And (see the First Word post) it's turned into an "own goal."

                              Criminal investigations don't broadcast all their evidence. At least not before it's presented in court.

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                            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 4:14pm

                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                            Robert Mueller is a Republican, appointed the Director of the FBI by President George W. Bush in 2001.

                            Mueller is a Deep State spook / operative / fixer.

                            There you go again with the simplistic and false distinctiion whether The Establishment front persons have R or D by name. Sad.

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                              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 5:14pm

                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                              There you go being a part of the Derp State by being a conspiracy theory nutter. You can now go back to being Alex Jone’s fluffer. Pathetic.

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                Thomas, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:10am

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                "Devin Nunes Doesn't Show The Surveillance Abuses He Hypocritically 'Cares' About"

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                Yawn. A hypocrite congressman -- is there any other kind? But heavily attacking the Nunez messenger here does not refute his message/Memo.

                TD is way too quick to trumpet the Democrat Party disinformation -- the Nunez Memo indeed showed serious FBI/DOJ criminality in this specific instance. That such FBI/DOJ criminality has been routine for decades is not justification to ignore it here.
                Dismissing this episode as mere routine partisan politics is severely disingenuous.

                The FISA Court was created specifically to counter very serious FBI/CIA/NSA criminality discovered by Congress in the 1970's -- therefore, that court, Congress, the President, and American public should not give the FBI even the slightest trust or leeway here. Plus, if Carter Page was a 'legitimate' suspect, FBI should have just gone to a normal court for its warrant request.

                If anybody here has hard factual evidence negating the substance or implications of the Nunez Memo -- let's here it here loud and CLEAR. (skip the endless URL links to speculative commentary)

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                  The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:31am

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                  bzzt

                  There's no such thing as "the Democrat Party" (at least not in the USA). It's "the Democratic Party".

                  "Democrat" is a noun; the adjective is "Democratic". The confusion arises because "Republican" is both a noun and an adjective. (Compare vs. the nouns "democracy" and "republic".)

                  By using "Democrat" as an adjective in this way, you give yourself away as having a right-wing bias.

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                    Thad, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:45am

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                    By using "Democrat" as an adjective in this way, you give yourself away as having a right-wing bias.

                    Plus, every single other thing about his post.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:46am

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                    "Democrat" is a noun; the adjective is "Democratic".

                    Sheesh. That doesn't matter right now.

                    "By using "Democrat" as an adjective in this way, you give yourself away as having a right-wing bias."

                    OH MY GOD! THE WORST CRIME OF ALL! A PERSON WITH "RIGHT-WING BIAS" AT TECHDIRT! -- CALL CNN AND GET THIS STORY OUT!

                    Try addressing THE TOPIC, which is the FBI knowingly went to FISA court with a "dossier" knew was paid-for and is laughably false, as if this Steele was getting Putin's best secret straight from his pals.

                    Sheesh.

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                      The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:59am

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                      Not a crime at all. It's merely that it makes it more likely for people who don't share that bias to discount the speaker's point, and so is harmful to the speaker's presumed goals.

                      (Well, maybe a crime against grammar, but that has nothing to do with the bias.)

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:56am

                    Re: Re: Re: Techdirt tap dancing

                    No, it is the "Democrat" party.

                    They actually need to be "democratic" to actually be "democratic" not just acting like they are.

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                  That One Guy (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:45am

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                  But heavily attacking the Nunez messenger here does not refute his message/Memo.

                  I'd say the fact that he admitted that he hadn't actually read the document the memo was 'based upon' does that nicely. In the same way that I wouldn't put any weight into a movie review done by someone who admitted that they hadn't actually watched the movie, why would I or anyone else give any weight to a memo written by someone who didn't even bother to read the source material?

                  Dismissing this episode as mere routine partisan politics is severely disingenuous.

                  I'd argue that anyone claiming that releasing the memo isn't politically motivated is being far more disingenuous. The same people that had no problem authorizing even more extensive surveillance of the american public now decide that surveillance of a single person is a problem for some mysterious reason? Now they care about surveillance and issues related to it? I'm not buying it, and I don't see why anyone would.

                  This is pretty clearly yet another attempt to get rid of the investigation that's plagued Trump from day one by painting the FBI as compromised and therefore too biased to investigate him or those around him, and while I don't think you'll find anyone here arguing that the agency is filled with paragons of virtue(or even not heavily flawed and with serious problems), trying to kill it off via an underhanded trick like this is not helping.

                  If anybody here has hard factual evidence negating the substance or implications of the Nunez Memo -- let's here it here loud and CLEAR. (skip the endless URL links to speculative commentary)

                  So provide what is almost certainly classified information currently held by the FBI? No problem, I'm sure they'll be happy to make such information public so long as someone makes sure to say 'pretty please' in their request for it.

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                    Thad, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:46am

                    Re: Re: Re: Techdirt tap dancing

                    If Devin Nunes told me it was sunny and warm, I'd go outside and check to make sure.

                    And I'm in Phoenix.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:51am

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                    This is pretty clearly yet another attempt to get rid of the investigation that's plagued Trump from day one

                    YES. Because facts will get rid of THAT investigation.

                    If you're going to discuss THE MEMO, you might start with that Steele claimed to have info direct from Putin's close pals in the Kremlin, who blithely blurted highly valuable secret just by being asked!

                    Oh, and actually, Steele didn't even communicate with anyone in the Kremlin, it's all fabricated.

                    So you are FOR investigating Trump based on known fabrication.

                    And you are AGAINST investigating how FBI / DNC created it all out of the blue.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:56am

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                      So you are FOR investigating Trump based on known fabrication.

                      No. I'm for investigating him because he's a lying piece of shit. Him, his mail-order whore, and those scumbag kids - all of them.

                      Sometimes you're judged by the company you keep. And it sure looks like a lot of his company was talking a lot with Russia.

                      Don't want to get on the FBI's radar? Don't talk to Russian operatives. It's as simple as that.

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                        Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 12:12pm

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                        So far I don't think his wife has done anything that warrants being called a whore. Other than plagiarizing a speech and constantly smiling for the camera when crap is going on I think she is just as much a victim of Trump as the rest of us.

                        Now watch, in the future it will come to light she was more heavily involved than we know just because I defended her here.

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                  Bruce C., 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:55pm

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                  Rep. Nunes had already shown himself to be the biggest Trump apologist in the House and probably in all of congress. No surprise that he was trying to do anything he could to discredit any Russia investigation.

                  Most folks will continue to view the claims and accusations of the politicians and the investigators through their own partisan lens. Techdirt has at least done a decent job of discrediting the more outlandish claims that Trump has been vindicated or that this is a smoking gun.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:47am

        Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

        Have you ever considered that the FBI would be trying to follow up on the Steele dossier to see if there was an actual fire there or just a bunch of smoke? "We have this tipster/informant making an allegation, now let's get a warrant, collect evidence, and see if this informant's talking out their arse or actually has something to say" sounds like good investigative work to me, not a political hatchet job...or are you trying to imply that the FBI should disregard the possibility that a biased source might be right, in spite of their biases?

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:21am

          Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

          Have you ever considered that the FBI would be trying to follow up on the Steele dossier to see if there was an actual fire there or just a bunch of smoke?

          **Sheesh. READ THE MEMO! Not your notion, or Techdirt's diversion, but READ IT.

          The FBI KNEW WAS PAID-FOR AND LAUGHABLE ON THE SURFACE (secrets direct from Kremlin!), THEN STILL USED IT WITH FISA COURT.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:54am

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            A tip is a tip. As stated elsewhere, if I have an ax to grind against mt neighbor, and I know he's running a meth lab, if I call and drop a dime on him, the cops find a meth lab, they're going to care I had an ax to grind?

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              freedomfan (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 3:17am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

              I could give a hoot about Nunez and Trump. But, using your scenario, if the cops knew that the tipster had an axe to grind against the neighbor and that his assertions about a meth lab were likely to be BS, then they should be required have something more credible before getting a warrant and definitely shouldn't go busting any doors down based on that "info".

              Just to be doubly clear, I think Trump, Nunez, and most Republicans are pathetic on surveillance issues. Just like Obama, Feinstein, and most Democrats. Ditto the FBI. Nevertheless, if it turns out a federal agency was using marginal intel to get FISA approval for spying on Americans (and not telling the Court what it knew about the dubiousness of the intel), then heads should roll.

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                Roger Strong (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 7:00am

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                In this case the police already had the neighbor's house under surveillance before getting that questionable intelligence. The questionable intelligence came not just from someone with an axe to grind, but families who wanted an intervention. (The Trump dossier was commissioned first by Republicans, and then by Democrats.)

                The police are on record telling the judge that the new intelligence was questionable, but they already had plenty of other intelligence.

                Far from not finding anything when they busted down the door, they've already made a couple arrests and are being seen carting meth lab equipment out the door.

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                  Toom1275 (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 7:34am

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                  While the neighbor's dealer and meth-head pals call the bust "fake news" and points the finger of blame at you or anyone else in the vicinity.

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        Roger Strong (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:52am

        Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

        So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate, for "research" that duplicates prior outline, even though the FBI knew Steele hadn't actually talked to any informants, let alone from the Kremlin, and that it was paid-for.

        Let's see if I've got this straight:

        • No FISA warrants "were paid for" by an opposition candidate.

        • Steele's Fusion GPS Trump dossier on the other hand was paid for. First by Republicans, and then by Democrats.

        • Accusations in it were investigated by the FBI....

        • ...but the FBI investigation isn't based on it. There's a mountain of evidence from other sources.

        • Investigating such accusations - even when privately funded - is normal. For example Hillary Clinton was investigated by the FBI based on the partisan hit piece Clinton Cash, written by Breitbart editor Peter Schweizer and commissioned by Trump Campaign Manager Steve Bannon.

        • But you're firm believer in IOKIYAR. (It's OK if You're A Republican.) How dare they investigate accusations against anyone but Democrats.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:23am

          Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

          "Let's see if I've got this straight:"

          Nope. You made up your story, there.

          THE MEMO IS THE MEMO.

          Sheesh. READ THE MEMO! Not your notion, or Techdirt's diversion, but READ IT.

          The FBI KNEW WAS PAID-FOR AND LAUGHABLE ON THE SURFACE (secrets direct from Kremlin!), THEN STILL USED IT WITH FISA COURT.

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            Roger Strong (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:27am

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            None of which negates what I wrote above. You're grasping at straws.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:37am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

              None of which negates what I wrote above.

              Heck, I didn't even try soon as saw it's not apposite!

              You're grasping at straws.

              Yeah, a WHOLE HAYSTACK. Every direction I take a grasp, there's the Deep State in cahoots with Hillary / DNC, trying to sway the election with the FALSE "Trump-Russia" story that was fabricated by Steele following a prior outline! NOT A BIT OF either story at all verified.

              State just ONE part of the Steele dossier which is fact.

              You kids are just blind to facts. You want SO much to pin anything on Trump. THE MEMO SAYS THAT THE FBI KNEW IT WAS ALL FALSE. Didn't pass my laugh test, but FBI took it to FISA. THAT'S CRIMINAL.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:57am

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                Obama slept in the bed at the Hotel, and then Trump had the hookers pee in the bed Obama slept in. Fact. Thats from the dossier.

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                  Wendy Cockcroft, 7 Feb 2018 @ 2:37am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                  Which might not be a fact; it's a note made in the dossier. Is there any proof, such as laundry records indicating there was pee on the bed and on the sheets?

                  I don't like Trump but there's enough stuff he's actually done to complain about; there's no good reason to make stuff up.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:02am

      Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

      lol

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:13am

        Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

        > lol

        Again ambiguous. Are you agreeing and laughing at the feeble netwits of Techdirt? ... Since is only three characters, I think most likely is a Techdirt fanboy, compelled like a barking rat to make some response, yet unable to come up with an entire on-topic sentence.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:13am

          Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

          No, I'm laughing at your incompetent, ineffective efforts.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:20am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

            > No, I'm laughing at your incompetent, ineffective efforts.

            Well, MY efforts don't at all affect this.

            There are more memos in the pipeline. Though you and the MSM will try to laugh it off, this has substance and specifics.

            You probably expected Hillary to win the election, too.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:21am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

              Oh boy, MEMOS! Wow, I'm quaking.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:34am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

                > Oh boy, MEMOS! Wow, I'm quaking.

                Why? Do you have some criminal liability in this? Explain.

                You're not even capable of dealing with the topic. You're firing off one-liners to avoid it.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:16pm

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              She lost, get over it.

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    Anonymous Hero, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:12am

    Irrelevant

    > It also points out the dirt-digging mission was originally commissioned by the Washington Free Beacon, a right-leaning DC press entity.

    That this continually gets brought up annoys me. It doesn't matter *who* funded what. What matters is whether the source of the funding was hidden from the FISA court, and whether hiding the source is an abuse of power (or not).

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        Anonymous Hero, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:04am

        Re: Re: Irrelevant

        Okay, first: "The Justice Department may have told a court of the political origins of an opposition research dossier that formed part of the application for a warrant to surveil a former Trump campaign adviser."

        I'd prefer to spend my effort addressing PaulT's comment, which I feel is more intelligent, so I'm just gonna take the easy way out and say, what part of the above quotation from the article you linked to screams "FACTS!" to you?

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      PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:53am

      Re: Irrelevant

      "It doesn't matter *who* funded what. What matters is... whether hiding the source is an abuse of power (or not)."

      Since you have to know who funded what in order to know whether power is being abused, it absolutely matters who funded what. You can't know if power is abused in an action if you don't know the identity of the actor.

      Impressive. You actually disproved your own claim in the very next sentence.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:05am

        Re: Re: Irrelevant

        Impressive. You actually disproved your own claim in the very next sentence.

        Typical. You make no sense.

        "you have to know who funded what in order to know whether power is being abused,"

        NO, the sheer fact that the "intelligence" was PAID-FOR means it's unreliable to start with. WHO PAID does NOT matter. I say that regardless whether "R" or "D" by their name, while you are implying that if those on your side pay, then it's fine.

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          Roger Strong (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:18am

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          NO, the sheer fact that the "intelligence" was PAID-FOR means it's unreliable to start with.

          Well, sure. That's why it's called an investigation, and opposed to a blind acceptance. With a mountain of evidence from other sources, there's no need to blindly accept the report's contents.

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          PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:28am

          Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

          "Typical. You make no sense."

          Typical. You give me no reason why, just wave it away. I did use a couple of 3 syllable words, want me to tone it down a notch?

          "NO, the sheer fact that the "intelligence" was PAID-FOR means it's unreliable to start with."

          The comment I was referring to was literally about the fact that it was paid for, and that was the subject of my response. Again, do you need us to tone it down so the slow children can catch up? You don't seem to be following this conversation at all.

          "while you are implying that if those on your side pay, then it's fine."

          Only to ranting idiots. What I said was simply that you have to know who the source of funding was to know if there was a conflict of interest. That applies no matter which team your immature mind thinks you're on, or even if an outside 3rd party does it

          I'm sorry that you're too dumb to follow any of the points raised here and instead have to erect imaginary targets to attack. Life must be hard being so angry and stupid all the time.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:36am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

            Funnily enough, out_of_the_blue didn't complain when reports about piracy were PAID FOR by the RIAA. Now why is that?

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:56am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

              > Funnily enough, out_of_the_blue didn't complain when reports about piracy were PAID FOR by the RIAA. Now why is that?

              Why would anyone complain? Corporations BUY slanted reports -- yet can still be true, and I believe that those are!

              Do you complain when Google pays for Masnick's opinion here at Techdirt?

              Google "sponsors" Masnick:
              https://copia.is/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/sponsors.png

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                The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:00am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

                If you believe that slanted reports paid for by corporations can be true, why wouldn't you believe that reports paid for by someone's political opponents can be true?

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:01am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

                Eating your own words, crow.

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                PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:04am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

                So do a number of other companies, including those directly linked on pages here, not just the image you obsess over. Yet, you only rant and whine about one of them. Why is that?

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:00am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

            Typical. You give me no reason why, just wave it away.

            Yes it is typical of you, and so long as you're diverting, that'll be my typical response.

            THE TOPIC is whether the FBI knowingly went to FISA court with a "dodgy dossier", in order to swing the election to Hillary.

            Try looking at your browser tab and then the large headline at top: that is THE TOPIC, not your silly diversioning.

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              PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:08am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

              "Try looking at your browser tab and then the large headline at top: that is THE TOPIC"

              "Devin Nunes Releases Memo That Doesn't Show The Surveillance Abuses He Hypocritically 'Cares' About"

              Huh. That doesn't say what you just claimed it did. Strange. I mean, it's related, but it's not the subject you just claimed it was.

              I will notice that you interjected in a conversation with someone else about the question of whether you need to know the identity of someone paying for intelligence in order to know if there was a conflict of interest. I said it was necessary, no matter who was paying for it. You then ranted at me about things not related.

              Are you confused again? Need to take your pills yet, you're losing it again.

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            Anonymous Hero, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:33am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

            > "while you are implying that if those on your side pay, then it's fine."
            > Only to ranting idiots

            I interpreted it similarly, which is why I sought to detatch the source of funding from the issue at hand: whether the FISA application was valid. If obscuring the funding was inappropriate than it doesn't matter who funded. It just matters that it was obscured.

            PaulT, please refrain from ad-hominem attacks (i.e., "ranting idiots"). They are, believe it or not, *fallacies of irrelevance*.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:38am

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          NO, the sheer fact that the "intelligence" was PAID-FOR means it's unreliable to start with.

          Yeah, so every paid informant in the country is now unusable in any criminal investigation, if you want to apply that standard.

          You people really are uneducated, and that's sad. That being said, I hope you actually get what you wish for - it'll be a field day blaming you tards for a sharp uptick in crime.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:53am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

            > Yeah, so every paid informant in the country is now unusable in any criminal investigation, if you want to apply that standard.

            Wait a second, smarty-pants! I DO WANT TO APPLY THAT STANDARD!

            You're just making up claims of what I believe. Where I come from that's LYING.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:59am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

              Wait a second, smarty-pants! I DO WANT TO APPLY THAT STANDARD!

              OK.

              You're just making up claims of what I believe. Where I come from that's LYING.

              Wait, I'm lying now? Tell the voices in your head "one at a time, please."

              (And you wonder why we laugh and call you "uneducated")

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:04am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

                You people really are uneducated, and that's sad.

                That IS a lie.

                Tell the voices in your head "one at a time, please."

                This is another lie.

                And it's crude ad hominem.

                And it's OFF-TOPIC, just diversion from topic.

                THE TOPIC is whether FBI knowingly went to FISA court with "dodgy dossier" to investigate and smear Trump and thereby throw the election, and then to destroy him him in office.

                Those are HIGH CRIMES that deserve hanging. All you have to counter the facts is ad hom at me. You will not "win" this.

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              PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:03am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

              "You're just making up claims of what I believe"

              No, he asked if you wanted to apply the standard, to which your answer should be a reasonable "yes" if you believe what you just said. But, instead, you ranted again about people saying what their words clearly do not say.

              Is that nice man in the white coat due to visit your room and give your meds soon? The entertainment value is slowing and I don't like to see the mentally impaired suffer more than they have to from their emotional anguish.,

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:08am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

                "Is that nice man in the white coat due to visit your room and give your meds soon?"

                Oh, more simplistic ad hom.

                And I'm supposed to take you seriously?

                How much longer are you going on this topic? Because I'm wearied and ready to quit. You clowns haven't written any point of substance.

                IF the FBI went to FISA court with known false info, are you concerned? Yes or no?

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                  PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:17am

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                  "Oh, more simplistic ad hom"

                  If you would like to offer something of value to respond to, I'll be happy not to mock you. As it is, the comment I responded to was a self-absorbed whine addressing something different to what I'd said in the previous post. My choices were ignore it, defend with facts or spend the last half hour of my work shift taking the piss out of someone acting like a deranged moron, and I was in the mood to engage the clown.

                  "IF the FBI went to FISA court with known false info, are you concerned?"

                  The internal politics of foreign countries are reasonable sideshow entertainment, but not something that actually concerns me. I am concerned about the reaction of the orange idiot you have antagonising other countries' leaders on Twitter during his 4am bathroom trips, but that's not directly related.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:30am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

                  IF the FBI went to FISA court with known false info, are you concerned? Yes or no?

                  I'll tell you what I'm concerned with - that your whole fucking bullshit argument is based on a NY Post OPINION piece.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:17pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Irrelevant

              I DO WANT TO APPLY THAT STANDARD!

              So if you do want to apply the standard he pointed out, he's not lying anymore.

              You really do NOT think these rants through, do you blue boy?

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        Anonymous Hero, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:16am

        Re: Re: Irrelevant

        > Since you have to know who funded what in order to know whether power is being abused

        Maybe, but in this case, the funder is irrelevant. The issue I'm trying to figure out is whether or not the DOJ/FBI/LOL/WTF/BBQ is allowed to hide certain information in their FISA application.

        Let me be clear here. None of us have access to the underlying info, so it's all BS at this point anyway. It's he-said, she-said, partisan bickering.

        But I'm playing with hypotheticals.

        If the 3-letter-guys are not allowed to withhold a certain type of information, such as the funding used to gather evidence used to create the FISA application, then it doesn't matter who funded it. It just matters that they hid the information.

        I shouldn't have used the term "abuse of power". I should've questioned whether or not the FISA process was done correctly.

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        Anonymous Hero, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:42am

        Re: Re: Irrelevant

        > It doesn't matter *who* funded what. What matters is whether the source of the funding was hidden from the FISA court, and whether hiding the source is an abuse of power (or not).

        How does the first sentence disprove the second sentence?

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:16am

    Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

    The GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/the-gop-memo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/


    Now, there's not a BIT in that which could reasonably be banned except by a rabid partisan.

    So of course it was "hidden" here at "free speech" Techdirt.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:18am

      Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

      Oh, you think people are "banning" your link.

      I don't want you to be misinformed even more than you already are, so make no mistake, people just don't like YOU.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:23am

        Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

        > Oh, you think people are "banning" your link.

        Why do you kids ALWAYS substitute another word?

        I used "hidden" because it's accurate. Is it NOT "hidden" to you?

        > I don't want you to be misinformed even more than you already are, so make no mistake, people just don't like YOU.

        OH MY GOD! All is now clear. NO WONDER I've had thousands of posts hidden here. You don't like me. Dang. What a sap I've been.

        [ TO ANYONE REASONABLE READING, IF ANY, WHICH I DOUBT: this is about the limit for Techdirt fanboys. Don't waste your time engaging them. You may as well talk at a barking rat. ]

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:24am

          Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

          You literally used the word banned. Are you not even capable of reading your own screeds?

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:30am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

            > You literally used the word banned. Are you not even capable of reading your own screeds?

            That was discussion AND THEN I wrote that it's "hidden" here at Techdirt, its own unique (far as I've ever seen) sly cheaty, chicken way of disadvantaging dissenters.

            ---

            And of course YOUR goal is to bury and divert discussion any way can. And the only way you're capable of is off-topic drivel that actually TAKES away the little value there is in your precious Techdirt.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:44am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

              Yes, your posts get hidden. Maybe you should think about why.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:53am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                Yes, your posts get hidden. Maybe you should think about why.

                No, please: TELL me why! I'm too stupid, by your own statements.

                I'm so stupid that I've become sure it's because Techdirt discriminates against viewpoints. Doesn't matter what words I use or how.

                I've been told directly by Masnick that ME being called an "ignorant motherfucker" is just a joke. But OH, my god, LINK to another site with different opinion! HIDE IT QUICK!

                Techdirt only pretends to be a neutral "platform", but is in fact a partisan: SNEAKILY, behind the scenes. Techdirt won't even admit that an administrator okays the "hiding"!

                And again, for anyone reasonable: you will NOT find on Techdirt even ONE fanboy comment which has been hidden. It's ALWAYS to disadvantage dissent.

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                  PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:00am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                  "Techdirt discriminates against viewpoints"

                  No, just ranting idiots, trolls and spammers. Given that you seem to believe what you spew and you don't try to sell anything, you're in the first category.

                  "Doesn't matter what words I use or how."

                  Absolutely it does. Try posting in a manner that doesn't read as "ranting idiot" and see how it comes across. I know it's hard for you, being all ranty and idioty, but get one of the orderlies in your institution's ward to help you out, you might be surprised at the results.

                  "Techdirt won't even admit that an administrator okays the "hiding"

                  Because they don't hire one? The spam filter you rant and rave about combined with the votes of the community you regularly abuse are not a single human being, no matter how much it feeds your persecution complex to pretend they are.

                  But, it doesn't matter. Yet again, no matter what your original point was, all that's left is a childish dick whining about things that don't really exist, while his original point is buried beneath the weight of people mocking his mental affliction. Sad, but you do bring this upon yourself.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:08am

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                    > Sad, but you do bring this upon yourself.

                    EVERY dissenter here brings it on themself! Anyone with brains or sense avoids this cesspit. It can be fun to make ankle-biters howl, but it's pointless.

                    You've now spammed the site with yet more empty ad hom that accomplishes nothing. Have anything on topic?

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                      PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:31am

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                      "Anyone with brains or sense avoids this cesspit"

                      Well, you're here, so even by your own words you're a lesser human being. I won't rise to your silly bait, I'll just note that your attempt at insulting me covered yourself particularly well.

                      "You've now spammed the site"

                      I responded to a small proportion of the messages you wrote. So, if I'm spamming then you truly are doing so at a much greater rate. Thus, since spamming is expressly against the community rules here and is a stated reason for reporting posts, you therefore admit that the "censorship" you constantly whine about is completely justified by your own behaviour.

                      Again, your childish flailing makes you look worse than any of the people you try to attack.

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                        Toom1275 (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 8:59pm

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                        ""You've now spammed the site"

                        I responded to a small proportion of the messages you wrote. So, if I'm spamming then you truly are doing so at a much greater rate."

                        I read about a plaintiff who accused his defendant victim of making "excessive unnecessary filings" and should be sanctioned for inflating the docket. In reality, the defendant's filings were his replies to the plaintiff's (truly unnecessary, filled with irrelevant claims and ad-hominems) filings. But of course the plaintiff was operating under the belief that any opposition from his victim is an undeserved attack on himself, and thus any attempt to defend oneself against his lawsuit's many spurious claims must be done solely out of malice against him. Narcissostic sociopaths are like that.

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                          The Wanderer (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 5:06am

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                          I think the troll in this case is reasoning something like:

                          • Comments which are on-topic is not spamming the site, no matter how numerous.
                          • Comments which are off-topic are, or can be, spamming the site.
                          • The topic is inherently defined by the topic of the article, and cannnot legitimately shift over the course of discussion.
                          • The troll's original comments were addressing something related to the article's topic, and many of the troll's others are pointing out how other people's aren't doing that.
                          • Therefore, the troll's comments are mostly if not all on topic.
                          • The comments which talk about the troll and/or the troll's comments - as distinct from the subject of those comments - don't address the article's topic.
                          • Therefore, those comments are by definition off-topic.
                          • Posting lots of off-topic comments constitutes spamming.
                          • Therefore, the people who post comments talking about the troll rather than about the article's topic are spamming the site.

                          Several of those points seem questionable, but I can see how it could hold together internally, with the right mindset.

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                      The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:32am

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                      I'd just like to point out that you just claimed that you have neither brains nor sense.

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                        Thad, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:48am

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                        Well, I guess that makes it unanimous.

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                          PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:51am

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                          Even a stopped clock, etc.

                          For someone who claims to be a reasonable person, he does seem to spend a lot of time emotionally invested in a site that neither wants him nor has any value to anybody else (according to him).

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                        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:10am

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                        I'd just like to point out that you just claimed that you have neither brains nor sense.

                        Uh, yeah, I wrote that, and here YOU are, not noticing that if true, it includes YOU. Sheesh. Netwit with zero self-awareness. A barking rat has more substance.

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                          The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:21am

                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                          Oh, I don't accept the premise.

                          But I presume that you do (or else why would you have stated it?), and the premise doesn't include any exceptions which would cover you, so...

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                      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:41am

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                      Anyone with brains or sense avoids this cesspit.

                      So you're here because you have no brains or sense? Glad to see you're finally recognizing what we have already pointed out.

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                        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:13am

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                        Anyone with brains or sense avoids this cesspit.

                        So you're here because you have no brains or sense? Glad to see you're finally recognizing what we have already pointed out.

                        And your inability to see yourself immersed in that cesspit is WHY it's a cesspit. YOU are the feces, I'm just a fool who fell in.

                        I can go on like this all day, kids, proving that I do snark better than you...

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                          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:21am

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                          I can go on like this all day, kids, proving that I do snark better than you...

                          Yeah, cause nothing spells out "I'm intelligent!" like someone who points out what a shithole a site is, then continues posting on and on.

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                            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:45pm

                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                            There's also the point that snark has nothing to do with the amount of time one has available to waste on a site he detests, but that sort of subtlety sails over blue's head regularly.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:48pm

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                  Just wanted to point out. I am one of the many random ACs who flag on your drivel. Of course hiding it always make me curious as I like to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 2:15pm

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                    Don't worry Mr. Drivel hater... like you said... it sometimes becomes a self defeating mechanic, but I am sure people like you are edified by throwing darts at people's faces in a childish attempt to "get back" at people you don't like.

                    It has been my experience that people trying to silence or flag others are trying to hide from a truth that makes them uncomfortable.

                    So... which truth in the drivel is upsetting to you?

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                      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 2:51pm

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                      The truth that there are people like you who fail to understand common sense and basic logic, even when presented with undeniable proof they are wrong.

                      So if you don't want to be flagged/hidden, be nice, post some solid facts to back up your claims, and when someone posts evidence that contradicts your evidence, figure out why.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 12:37pm

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                  If you gave any sort of logical proof or thought behind your opinion people would be more than happy to debate you about it and I'm sure it wouldn't get hidden. However you keep posting opinions as fact, without proof or credible source, and there is no logic behind your thoughts.

                  Because of that drivel you keep getting hidden. The community doesn't want to be distracted by ridiculous statements from someone, especially one that has constantly proven he/she will not even attempt to investigate or logically reason out his/her opinions.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:51am

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      Meanwhile China exports its surveillance technology, but you'd rather bitch about Google instead.

      The loss of Hamilton and MyNameHere really left a gaping hole in the tar pit you call a heart, didn't it?

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:59am

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        Meanwhile China exports its surveillance technology, but you'd rather bitch about Google instead.

        I would! -- But that doesn't mean I like the gov't of China.

        The loss of Hamilton and MyNameHere really left a gaping hole in the tar pit you call a heart, didn't it?

        Er, thing about tar pits is that the tar flows and fills again.

        But why would you think I note their loss? (I did check MyNameHere's account just a while ago, so LIKELY this is an administrator who saw that check. WHY ELSE this comment from out of the blue?)

        Anyhoo, NO! I advise every reasonable person to FLEE this cesspit you call a tech site.

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          PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:04am

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          "I did check MyNameHere's account just a while ago"

          Wait, are you admitting that he's your alt? If not, I'd not bother. That particular failure has openly admitted to signing out when making comments just to get a reaction from this community. He's not honest enough to let people keep track of his posting history, even similar cowards such as yourself.

          "WHY ELSE this comment from out of the blue?"

          Huh, that's one of your idiot brethren I don't see here.

          "I advise every reasonable person to FLEE this cesspit you call a tech site.":

          We'd rather if the unreasonable people do that instead and leave the reasonable ones to have adult conversation on the matters that are actually happening. Could you do that, please?

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:10am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

            Wait, are you admitting that he's your alt?

            No, you're delusional paranoid as usual.

            We'd rather if the unreasonable people do that instead and leave the reasonable ones to have adult conversation on the matters that are actually happening. Could you do that, please?

            Er, show how me that's done: try stating something on topic, then.

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              PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:36am

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              "vNo, you're delusional paranoid as usual."

              I merely asked a question. If you look up the meaning of those words in a dictionary, you'll find that they apply far more to your reaction than to what I said.


              "Er, show how me that's done"

              Easy, refrain from commenting on this site if you're not going to be one of the reasonable people. If you need examples, go to any thread where you are not present, you'll usually find the conversations far more reasonable.

              "try stating something on topic"

              I've responded directly to the words you've typed, and kept them within the topic you were discussing. It's not my fault that your topic was whining about this community rather discussing than any facts at hand.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:54am

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                I've responded directly to the words you've typed, and kept them within the topic you were discussing. It's not my fault that your topic was whining about this community rather discussing than any facts at hand.

                And... I'm not allowed the privilege of responding to ad hom, right?

                I've raised the topic of the FBI knowingly taking false info to the FISA court, and THIS irrelevant drivel is actually your response to THAT topic which is in the headline.

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                  PaulT (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 2:05am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                  "I'm not allowed the privilege of responding to ad hom, right?"

                  Of course you are. But, your question was how do you get the reasonable people to have adult conversation without the unreasonable people derailing things. The easy answer is for the unreasonable ones to leave. Since you are playing an unreasonable person, your choices are to leave, be reasonable, or put up with people mocking the idiot in the room. Your choice.

                  "I've raised the topic of the FBI knowingly taking false info to the FISA court"

                  ...and done a lot of stupid crap in the thread in the meantime so that, even if the things you mentioned are as relevant as you believe, you derailed the conversation away from them with your own actions,.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:05am

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          Yeah, flee... like the excellent job you're doing, you simpering little pest.

          So long as it's against Google there's no cock you won't suck. Hell, Kim Jong-Un could rape you with an atomic bomb and you'd gladly take it just for a meaningless swipe at Google.

          How's that SOPA fund working out for you, bro?

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:13am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

            Yeah, flee... like the excellent job you're doing, you simpering little pest.

            I'm not fleeing, am I? What's your definition of fleeing? I've been wallowing here off and on since 2010.

            And yet you kids STILL do this ridiculous ad hom. It's ALL you've got.

            FINE IRRATIONAL complete non-sequitor two paragraphs there. Congrats.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:39am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

              I'm not fleeing, am I? What's your definition of fleeing? I've been wallowing here off and on since 2010.

              No shit? Nobody's denying that. Anyone functioning human with half a brain can identify you like a sore thumb.

              I suspect my definition of "fleeing" is the same as yours - you demand that others leave a site, which you advise leaving, yet refuse to leave. You're not one for sarcasm, are you? Hardly surprising from the Prenda advocate.

              If it meant that you'd get to piss in the general direction of Google you'd let China and the NSA stick their surveillance up your rectum, but it's not surprising. Copyright types like you have some freaky sexual deviations, just like MyNameHere's love affair with Hamilton.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:21am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                I suspect my definition of "fleeing" is the same as yours - you demand that others leave a site, which you advise leaving, yet refuse to leave.

                Er, that's not "fleeing". I'm still here, aren't I? Let me check... Yup, still here!

                You're not one for sarcasm, are you?

                Another word you don't understand. This IS sarcasm. Oh, I make points, like asking all whether they'll address the topic, which is that the FBI knowingly went to FISA court with false information, but none of you kids have yet taken that up.

                Hardly surprising from the Prenda advocate.

                This is a LIE. I've never even defended ANY lawyer here. You are simply associating my defense of copyright with any and every bad person. Again, for the record, on the notion that some reasonable person will ever read this, I've stated that those particular lying lawyers should be HUNG.

                If it meant that you'd get to piss in the general direction of Google you'd let China and the NSA stick their surveillance up your rectum, but it's not surprising. Copyright types like you have some freaky sexual deviations, just like MyNameHere's love affair with Hamilton.

                Good ad hom! MORE OF THIS DISTRACTING DRIVEL. IT SO HELPS THE SITE. (And I'm being SARCASTIC, since you state that's beyond you.)

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                  Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:26am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                  Er, that's not "fleeing". I'm still here, aren't I? Let me check... Yup, still here!

                  Yup, so your brains and sense haven't arrived yet?

                  (I predict a dozen or so more posts before the inevitable "I've got better things to do than defend my indefensible whatever the fuck I mean." post)

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:22pm

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                    I'm waiting for him to realize that if, as he wishes, all lawyers were killed off per his request (the lying ones in particular), his precious copyright law would never get enforced. At all. Period. I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen, though.

                    The departure of MyNameHere and Hamilton seems to have driven out_of_the_blue absolutely mad with grief, given how much overtime he's putting in.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:26pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                  Let me check... Yup, still here!

                  Precisely the point. You're still here, which makes you shit at fleeing a site you demand that others flee.

                  Keep running around biting your own tail and mistaking it for intercourse. It's barely passes the muster for pity.

                  I've never even defended ANY lawyer here

                  John Steele, Evan Stone, Keith Lipscomb, Monique Wadsted...

                  You are simply associating my defense of copyright with any and every bad person

                  Funny how every time there's a defense of copyright you cocksuckers can't find a single decent individual to back you up. Again, shooting a foot into the whole "the populace demands, nay, BEGS for infinite copyright" notion you love to parade around so much.

                  I've stated that those particular lying lawyers should be HUNG

                  So you'd be all for a lack of copyright enforcement, then.

                  Keep drinking that Cary Sherman pale ale, blue. Maybe he'll actually extend copyright lengths on your behalf.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:43am

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              PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:47am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

              "And yet you kids STILL do this ridiculous ad hom. It's ALL you've got."

              Well, when somebody covers the thread in ridiculous comments that have nothing to do with the subject of the actual conversation, what else do we have to add? Facts and logic don't work. Hiding your comments just makes you rant about them being hidden. Ignoring you hasn't made you go away. So, surely we might as well have fun with your inherent comedy value.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:15am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                Well, when somebody covers the thread in ridiculous comments that have nothing to do with the subject of the actual conversation, what else do we have to add?

                NOTHING! You add not one bit of interest.

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                  PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:11am

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                  No, we add a sideline in mocking a ranting idiot, that amuses a few of us here until enough people get tired enough of you to get all your posts hidden and clear up the tread a bit.

                  It's not much, but it's more value than you've ever attempted to add.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:51am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt HIDING THE LINK. HERE IT IS AGAIN.

                    > No, we add a sideline in mocking a ranting idiot, that amuses a few of us here until enough people get tired enough of you to get all your posts hidden and clear up the tread a bit.

                    > It's not much, but it's more value than you've ever attempted to add.

                    Oooh, burned ME! Gosh, no one has EVER in history of teh internets, been SO put down!

                    Anything on topic, though, smartypants?

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                      PaulT (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 1:58am

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                      PaulT (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 2:00am

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                      Sorry, I thought the topic was you lying about the opinions of others to distract from the actual article, then self-indulgent whining when people call you out on it. Was there another topic I was meant to be seeing?

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                        boomslang, 6 Feb 2018 @ 5:40am

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                        Perhaps you should try not being a dick, Mr. Thurman.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:50am

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                what else do we have to add?

                Repeating: you add NOTHING -- well, except bytes to the page. No information.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 12:59pm

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                  Actually bytes are information. Just saying.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:54am

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      The Deep State aka the thing made up to continue the "It's all the government's fault!" narrative when you *are* the government.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:22pm

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        To be fair there is a Derp State. Which is quite well represented here.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 2:13pm

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          Deep State is inside the Government.
          Derp State is inside the electorate.

          Both are well represented. It's sorta why you keep getting fucked over.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 3:32pm

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            You are assuming that everyone here is lives in the US. For someone who’s self proclaimed “so very smart” you make a lot of dumbass assumptions.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:19am

    "It also points out something about the paperwork needed to request a FISA warrant. To secure a renewal, the FBI would have to show it had obtained evidence of value with the previous warrant. If it can't, it's unlikely the renewal request would be approved by FBI directors and/or US attorneys general. The multiple renewals suggest the FBI had actually obtained enough evidence of Carter Page's illicit dealings with the Russians to sustain an ongoing investigation."
    That is assuming that the actors that demanded the fisa autorization didnt simply lie and that the court didn't just blanket authorize the surveillance as they usually do?

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:24am

      Re:

      This would be a good point if Devin Nunes didn't just vote to reauthorize that exact process.

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        The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:51am

        Re: Re:

        Actually, he voted to reauthorize Section 702 , part of Title VII - whereas, per the article, this surveillance was obtained under Title I.

        Going by that, even if warrants under both involve the same process (which is not necessarily guaranteed), that would just mean that the legislation which Nunes recently voted to reauthorize does not actually contain the process which was used in this case.

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          That One Guy (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:12am

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          The kicker is, of the two the one he voted to reauthorize is worse, as it has less checks and balances. Title I at least requires some review of the surveillance conducted, whereas Title VII surveillance doesn't even necessarily require a warrant, and includes a slew of other problems.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:01am

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        I don't see how the fact that he voted or not to reauthorize a process that was abused during the campaign is relevant.

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    wayout, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:38am

    This is what caught my eye
    "material omissions of fact."

    Doesnt say what is in there is false. Just says that there are some omissions of fact.okay...So no, the FBI isnt arguging about the validity of information of said document as it was released...catch that..

    A small nuance maybe, but an important one...
    My question is...so why not fill in the blanks FBI..?
    Give us the complete picture...remove the impetus for the partisian bitching..(not that that would stop some people of course)..Either prove potus right or wrong..

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:45am

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      Wow, you people are stupid.

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      The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:00am

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      Why not fill in the blanks?

      Because the information which would be necessary in order to fill in those blanks is classified, meaning that the FBI is forbidden to release it.

      Just as information which is contained in the Nunes memo was classified, until Trump decided to declassify that memo. (Which may not automatically declassify the underlying information for release in other forms; it probably should, but I no longer expect the logic surrounding classification to be sane.)

      If you've missed this, you must not have been paying much attention to the (very public) debate preceding the release of the memo.

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      That One Guy (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:01am

      Damned if you do, damned if you don't

      'On January 29, 2018, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (hereinafter 'the Committee') voted to disclose publicly a memorandum containing classified information provided to the Committee in connection with its oversight activities (the 'Memorandum', which is attached to this letter).'

      The memo itself contained classified information, and as such it's a given that the document it was based upon(sorta, given Nunes didn't actually read it) also contains classified information, and as such any 'corrections' would involve release of similarly classified information.

      To 'fill in the blanks' therefore would require the FBI to release classified information, and even assuming they can make that decision entirely on their own(which I doubt, but I'm not sure offhand), they'll still need to go through the process of figuring out what they can and can not afford to make public.

      However, as the following quote seems to suggest, it's not that simple.

      'The Constitution vests the President with the authority to protect national security secrets from it disclosure. As the Supreme Court has recognized, it is the President's responsibility to classify, declassify, and control access to information bearing on our intelligence sources and methods and national defense.'

      Assuming I'm reading that correct, and it's legally sound, the WH would have veto power over any attempt by the FBI to declassify evidence showing why and where the memo is flawed, so long as they determined that the release of such information would be harmful to 'intelligence source and methods and national defense'. Given the motivation for the memo's release, I think it's fairly safe to assume that such a veto would be a given.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:53am

    Trolls are really chomping at the bit, sorta confirms the memo is bullshit.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:16am

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      > Trolls are really chomping at the bit, sorta confirms the memo is bullshit.

      Wrong as usual for city kid using rural phrase: "chomping at the bit" means READY to GO and WIN the race.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:39am

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        Wrong yourself. "chomping at the bit" means READY to GO and *START* the race.

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          The Wanderer (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:09am

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          Not to mention, it's actually "champing at the bit".

          https://www.etymonline.com/word/champ - see the verb definition.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:25am

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            Not to mention, it's actually "champing at the bit".

            Oh, you're one of those with the fancy French pronounciation*, eh?

            I quoted, and that's the vernacular as I first heard, so there.

            • Intentionally "noun" in there, just so you don't seize on it.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:47am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Not to mention, it's actually "champing at the bit".

            REPEATING the "hidden" comment just for fun:

            Actually, I quoted, so entirely accurate, and in the vernacular I grew up in, with an "O" is the sound.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:49am

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              The "hiding" of comments today is the most random ever seen here.

              There's NO written guidelines at Techdirt, so I simply CAN'T be violating any. It's just RANDOM.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:36am

    Two key points from the Nunes memo

    In a stunning case of "own goal", the very end of the memo points out that the FBI had an investigation going long before the Steele memo (which isn't a memo at all, but a series of reports) came along. There are two reasons that the FBI paid attention to the Steele memo: (1) Steele has a reputation, a very good one, along with lots of experience and a sizable network of contacts (2) the contents of Steele documents matched things THEY ALREADY KNEW TO BE TRUE.

    The second point bears some explanation, because most of you don't have jobs that require the assessment of raw intelligence that comes from multiple people who may be omitting things or fabricating things or deliberately embedding some truth in a web of lies. The Steele memo is just that kind of raw intelligence, which is why -- if you take the time to read it -- you'll notice that Steele himself points out the possible presence of these issues.

    But when you get your hands on raw intelligence, and it gives you -- let's say -- 100 facts that you can check, and you find that 82 of them are true, 16 are unverifiable, and 2 are false -- then you have good reason to think that at least some of those 16 are worth further investigation because they may well turn out to be true. That's why you get a warrant: first, to re-re-re-verify the 82 and second, to find out about those 16. That's your JOB.

    Then of course you have to make some progress. Because if you don't, then you're not going to get multiple judges to renew your warrant multiple times. You might still not be able to check all 16 of those outstanding items, but if you can check 4 and make progress on 7, then you're getting there and it's reasonable for a judge to grant more time. If you can't check any of them, then maybe you're barking up the wrong tree and the warrant you seek isn't going to help anyway.

    One more thing. This isn't an edge case. Anyone who goes out of their way to pal around with intelligence agents from another country, even a friendly one, should expect that they're going to get surveilled: by us, by them, and by third parties who are of course interested in such things for reasons of their own. And anyone who openly brags about it should REALLY expect scrutiny. I have no great love for the FBI, but in this case, they did exactly what any sensible organization should do: start watching people who are heavily interacting with known agents of a hostile foreign power.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:39am

      Re: Two key points from the Nunes memo

      I have no great love for the FBI, but in this case, they did exactly what any sensible organization should do: start watching people who are heavily interacting with known agents of a hostile foreign power.

      AND YET, Hillary Clinton and the actual "Uranium One" scandal goes without notice from certain types!

      You clowns can deny all you want, but FACT is that the FBI went to FISA with known FALSE and highly suspect "information", known to be paid-for, and that Steele is entirely rabid anti-Trumper.


      This is an "AC" yet got "First Word", eh? -- My conclusion is it's more behind-the-scenes control by Techdirt, just like all the hidden manipulation evidenced in THE MEMO.


      Oooh, incoming! I'm outta this topic, kids! Ad hom away!

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:52am

        Re: Re: Two key points from the Nunes memo

        Hillary Clinton and the actual "Uranium One" scandal goes without notice from certain types!

        Yup. As designed. Because no one would want Jon Huntsman who happens to be (wait for it...) Ambassador to Russia to come under scrutiny since he signed off on the deal while governor of Utah.

        Seems like most of the dumb fucks who brought this horseshit up in the first place realized it would be a mistake, given the current political climate. Did you not get THE MEMO?

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        Roger Strong (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:14am

        Re: Re: Two key points from the Nunes memo

        AND YET, Hillary Clinton and the actual "Uranium One" scandal goes without notice from certain types!

        Incorrect. Those "certain types" had a look to see what the "Uranium One scandal" is about, and are still waiting for any evidence of wrong-doing by Hillary Clinton. Anything at all.

        You clowns can deny all you want, but FACT is that the FBI went to FISA with known FALSE and highly suspect "information", known to be paid-for

        You've STILL never given any reason why - in an investigation that was already running - it was wrong to look into the report. From a source with such non-partisan credibility that its reports on Trump were commissioned by both Republicans and Democrats. You wouldn't take it on blind faith, but with a mountain of other sources and evidence there was no need to.

        You've yet to explain how it invalidates all those other sources and evidence.

        And since you drag Hillary into this, is it wrong to investigate the Uranium One deal because Republicans demanded it? Was it wrong for the FBI to investigate Hillary based on the partisan hit piece Clinton Cash, written by Breitbart editor Peter Schweizer and commissioned by Trump Campaign Manager Steve Bannon?

        Because you'd look damned hypocritical if you claim otherwise.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:42am

          Re: Re: Re: Two key points from the Nunes memo

          You've STILL never given any reason why - in an investigation that was already running - it was wrong to look into the report.

          Because that's NOT the topic! -- And I don't CARE! Irrelevant! It WAS looked into, even before I knew of it!

          Topic is whether the FBI LOOKED INTO IT AND FOUND IT'S PAID-FOR CRAP. That's what I've said all along.

          The FBI, after finding it's crap, and knowing, THEN went to FISA with it, using it as pretext for political witchhunt.

          Now, you can divert and make up stuff all day. I know you're good at that, just from examples here.

          But we don't matter. You aren't going to stop people by denying the facts, even less than I'll cheer them on to find the real criminals who made up and used a dodgy dossier.

          You and MSM are using NOISE because it's all you've got.

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          Thad, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:26pm

          Re: Re: Re: Two key points from the Nunes memo

          IMPEACH HILLARY

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:32am

    101st comment this topic! 3 hours wasted.

    I MAY wander off, so now you kids MAY be able to get in the last word...

    I just note that only my first two comments were "hidden" (so far), proving that it's a Techdirt administrator making choice to hide, and gave up when I showed would stick around.

    SNEAKY Techdirt. Full of ad hom, too. The kids love that!

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:40am

    Re: null

    i just come into this discussion and still dont get what are you discussing in here :(

    FLEE! Even if you want your link taken, just FLEE! This is a cesspit!

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    Toom1275 (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 9:59am

    Re: null

    Not so much a discussion as everyone pointing and laughing at the village idiot.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:03am

      Re: Re: null

      Not so much a discussion as everyone pointing and laughing at the village idiot.

      WHO YET has a link from a major newspaper that Techdirt doesn't even want seen!

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:34am

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        To be fair... what that AC looks like to you folks, you look like to me. I hope you don't start feeling "too superior" to the village idiot because in many ways you are much like him.

        So go ahead, keep laughing. I often hear you folks whine like babies about how condescending I appear when I shove the truth in your faces. Now you know why I don't care about hurting your "widdle feewings" when I show how stupid you clowns are.

        Just remember... laughing at the village idiot.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:27pm

          Re: Re: Re: Re: null

          OH are you going to quote GW next or TJ? It’s so hard tonight to choose between all of the two whole quotes that you know

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 2:11pm

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            Awww... did someone get your little goat? I hope I don't keep you up at night crying into your little pillow sad person.

            Would you like a quote from someone in particular? It's not like you are going to be smart enough to understand it or anything but I am happy to help!

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 3:35pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: null

              Wow chip you sound triggered. Better go eat a gallon of paint and calm down. You’ll blow your load of being a pretentious know nothing prick before dinner time at the rate you’re going.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:00am

    Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

    Cause the kids just love whack-a-mole. Hiding usually happens after I state am leaving, did this time.

    Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

    The GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/the-gop-memo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/

    So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate, for "research" that duplicates prior outline, even though the FBI knew Steele hadn't actually talked to any informants, let alone from the Kremlin, and that it was paid-for.

    Yup, only the target matters to Techdirt, not principle.

    Just look at this aspect some clever person noticed: Steele claimed to have info direct from the Kremlin on a super secret highly valuable Rooski plot, which Putin personally would want to find who leaked. No trouble, just asked his old pals. -- NOTHING about this fabrication stands the laugh test.

    Keep digging this hole, kids. Likely to be indictments with people going to jail, and then you'll have new martyrs to re-write NYT pieces on.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:26am

      Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

      So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate

      I'm sure the check for that payment is right next to the one from Mexico for the wall.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:37am

      Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

      THAT link is your proof?

      So I take it you didn't notice the bright red box in the upper left corner that says OPINION?

      An OPINION piece is your proof?

      Thanks again for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you uneducated folks really are as stupid as the rest of us think you are.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:35am

        Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

        > Thanks again for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you uneducated folks really are as stupid as the rest of us think you are.

        Is that your OPINION? Cause you just implied that OPINION means nothing! You netwits can NEVER look at yourselves, have near zero self-awareness.

        It's opinion about FACTS. You're trying to overlook that there are even facts.

        And why is Techdirt HIDING that if so meaningless?

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:40am

          Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

          Lemme tell you what...my OPINION is as worthless as the OPINION link you keep reposting.

          Keep backing yourself into a corner dumbass.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:45am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

            Lemme tell you what...my OPINION is as worthless as the OPINION link you keep reposting.

            Keep backing yourself into a corner dumbass.

            Thanks for permission I don't need!

            Oh, you "educated" types are SO superior that think you can grant permission.

            And you "educated" types don't see the futility of this back and forth, YOU are compelled to keep responding.

            There. Now you go again.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 12:38pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

              "And you "educated" types don't see the futility of this back and forth, YOU are compelled to keep responding."

              I would like to point out a mistake you are making.

              Just because they attended a class and got a piece of paper that says they did a good job regurgitating information they were fed does not mean that they were actually/properly/successfully educated.

              A person can be exceptionally well educated without having attended a single hour of class in Kindergarten up to University.

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                Toom1275 (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 3:02pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

                A concept for which you are an exemplar.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 4:12pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

                > I would like to point out a mistake you are making.

                Actually, I've been letting "educated" stand in for "indoctrinated". There's basically ONE opinion allowed to graduates of Ivy League schools, though inversely more opinion with decreasing prestige of other colleges.

                Masnick is just an average born 1-percenter, with Ivy League McEducation that cost his parents a bundle and has after 20 years resulted in a shrinking web-site where he spews. If hadn't been born rich, he'd be starving on the streets. If Google wasn't fiddled with subjective bias into the vaunted "algorithm", he wouldn't get even those alleged 27 Bangladeshi a day.

                And with all his mighty talents and borrowed virtues, Techdirt / Masnick STILL has to sneakily hide comments behind the scenes. -- And yet to admit an administrator is at all involved!

                Hoots all round to those who helped me today with rabid ad hom. You kids cannot just let me have my say, but insist on attacking, hiding, and then repeating if I dare to snark back. Sheesh.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 5:31pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

                  Poor out of the blue. So jelly of other people’s success. He spends more time here than 27 Bangladeshis combined. So desperate for the love and acceptance he was never given as a child.

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              Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 12:47pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS THIRD TIME.

              And you "educated" types don't see the futility of this back and forth, YOU are compelled to keep responding.

              No more futile than you, with your "conclusive" link to an OPINION piece.

              Keep fighting the good fight dumbass :)

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:01am

    All of the hypocrisy and non of the shame

    typical TD.

    If it hurts the left, make it look like the right was doing something wrong. That said, I really don't see anything in this memo other than to clearly point out that deep state does exist "an open secret anyways" and that nothing serious actually happened here. It looks like business as usual to me.

    The difference is that this time the Republicans are bitching about the word "classified" getting in their way.

    I don't care either way, both sides deserve and have earned the complete disrespect of the other. Both harbor secrets from the citizens and are so full of shit that every time they vomit words the only people not puking are the ones eating that were already eating their shit to begin with!

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:34am

      Re: All of the hypocrisy and non of the shame

      Perhaps you have not noticed but this train wreck has long ago jumped the track, there is no left rail and there is no right rail - just total bullshit.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:43am

        Re: Re: All of the hypocrisy and non of the shame

        "just total bullshit."

        I can agree with that. The problem is that we need to get those that still think they on either of those rails to get off at the nearest stop and if one is not soon to go ahead and bail out while it is still moving before it completes de-railing.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:40am

          Re: Re: Re: All of the hypocrisy and non of the shame

          The millionaires trusted to run the place have most all abdicated their responsibilities and are busily partying while everything burns, meanwhile the majority of humanity watches in horror as they are blamed for making this all happen.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:38am

    Your biases are clouding your judgment here Tim.

    The legacy media companies spent the last year filling the airwaves with hateful rhetoric for the current administration stating they had been illegally spied on. "He doesn't know what he's talking about! He's crazy! See he has mental deficiencies! He's a lier!"

    Oops. The document lays out in legal terms that actually all that hot air has been materially wrong.

    Relating to our analysis here, I get the impression that the hateful rhetoric of the last year has impacted your view of the topic Tim. The analysis is filled with the FUD disinformation being floated by legacy media to deflect from information that is beginning to come out. Due to how many headlines have been retracted by these legacy media companies in the last year, the credibility of these sources have become suspect. Go back three months and plot how many retractions and outright falsehoods have been floated out there. Portions of your argument that rely on these sources are going to come back and bite you in the ass as additional information comes to light.


    That is just a little bit more than nothing. The memo is the first in a series that will be released in the coming weeks. It marks the transition point from a public relations campaign to when the legal and law enforcement end takes over. Techdirt has provided great coverage of complicated topics in the past, especially around law enforcement over-reach. Looking forward to a critical reflection on the biases impacting the lens through which we're reporting, and recalibration to reasoned objective analysis.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:11am

    i'm embarrassed for techdirt by the original article, but since it provides opportunity for such healthy and vigorous rebuttal it just might be what the doctor (not mengele) ordered.

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    KeillRandor (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:26am

    Hmmm...

    So their main complaint is that the Steele dossier has been used as part of the evidence given for an application for FISA warrant, and that it makes unproven, uncollaborated/unsupported, partisan allegations, even if serious and important.

    Sounds like the claims in the dossier are something that needs to be investigated, maybe by a Federal Bureau of Investigation or something, just to be sure...

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 4:33am

      Re: Hmmm...

      That's precisely the point. Raw intelligence is just that: sometimes it comes from reliable sources, sometimes from flaky ones. Sometimes it comes from principled people, sometimes it comes from chronic liars. Sometimes it comes from your enemies, sometimes it comes from your allies.

      THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED "RAW".

      And as is quite clear to anyone who actually read them, Steele's reports are just that. He's never claimed otherwise. He's never claimed that everything or anything in there is absolutely correct. That's not his job: his job is to gather raw intelligence and report it.

      Then it becomes the job of other people to figure out how much of it is true and how much isn't. That's the "analysis" part.

      And in this particular case, quite a bit of it matched up with what the FBI already knew -- from other sources. We don't know what those are. They might have been other people gathering raw intelligence. They might have been wiretaps. They might have been documents. They might have been agents' reports. We just don't know.

      But when multiple independent enquiries all start telling you the same thing, you'd be a fool not to pay attention and investigate further. Which is exactly what the FBI did. That's what we pay them to do.

      Pretty much all counterintelligence investigations work like this. The task is to sort through the mess and figure out what the truth is. That's why it takes time, and that's why any competent investigator will seek out every scrap of evidence that they can. Hence: FISA warrants.

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        Toom1275 (profile), 6 Feb 2018 @ 7:43am

        Re: Re: Hmmm...

        I'm pretty sure Keill's comment was facetious, especially based on the last sentence. Though with an actual idiot trying to singlehandedly convert the comments into a cesspit, it's understandable that you'd expect it to have been more of the same.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 11:58am

    You know, kids, "hiding" only works if the subject line isn't repeated. And if I can't respond at all.

    This is fine with me, Techdirt at its best: all you "educated" people showing your good sense.

    Now, I've just been alerted to new topic, so off I go again... MAY return, so go ahead without me.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 12:54pm

      Re: You know, kids, "hiding" only works if the subject line isn't repeated. And if I can't respond at all.

      Gonna whine like a little bitch on another thread?

      I thought you said the site was a shithole, and you have neither brains nor sense for posting here?

      I hope your OPINION link goes over just as well over there, old fart.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 12:59pm

    The laughable argument of "Steele got fired for leaking things therefore (somehow) the dossier must be completely false" reminds me of someone trying a similar lie elsewhere.

    Last month, Ars ran an article soundly debunking the most recent of James O'Keefe's whole-cloth fabricated stories - the one claiming Twitter targets conservatives for bans. Some liar in the comments falsely claimed that O'Keefe wasn't a criminal, claiming the charges had been cleared and the prosecutor and judge on his case had been disbarred for it. In essence, claiming that because the prosecutor was disciplined for something therefore O'Keefe was innocent. Too bad for him another commenter called him out on the lie, noting that:

    1. No, the judge is still active, not disbarred
    2. What the prosecutor was disciplined for was making public comments about a completely different case from O'Keefe's. i.e. there's zero evidence for prosecutor misconduct in the O'Keefe case
    3. The debunking commentor points to recent evidence that suggests O'Keefe's criminal convictions are still on the books (not cleared)

    In short, both idiocies try to claim that "this thing X did can be discounted because of a completely unrelated thing X did at a different time."

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    John E Cressman, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:04pm

    Fake News

    Fake News by Leftist Political Hack... nothing to see... move along.

    Stick to tech

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:10pm

      Re: Fake News

      Fake post by person who doesn't understand logic...nothing to see... move along.

      Stick to your day job.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:30pm

        Re: Re: Fake News

        He got fired from the dick sucking academy.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 2:16pm

          Re: Re: Re: Fake News

          How did you know? You were fired before he was!

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      Thad, 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:25pm

      Re: Fake News

      Plonk.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 2:17pm

        Re: Re: Fake News

        Thad, did your brain just fall back onto the floor, AGAIN? Jeez man, pick that back up!

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 3:38pm

          Re: Re: Re: Fake News

          No he got fired because you were doing double duty. I know it’s hard work douing double shifts with double shafts. But please do try to keep up.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 3:58pm

    Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS FOURTH TIME.

    Cause the kids just love whack-a-mole. Massive hiding usually happens after I state am leaving, did this time.

    Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

    The GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/the-gop-memo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/

    So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate, for "research" that duplicates prior outline, even though the FBI knew Steele hadn't actually talked to any informants, let alone from the Kremlin, and that it was paid-for.

    Yup, only the target matters to Techdirt, not principle. -- As shown here by "free speech" Techdirt unable to stand my little bits of text, so hiding them!

    Just look at this aspect some clever person noticed: Steele claimed to have info direct from the Kremlin on a super secret highly valuable Rooski plot, which Putin personally would want to find who leaked. No trouble, just asked his old pals. -- NOTHING about this fabrication stands the laugh test.

    Keep digging this hole, kids. Likely to be indictments with people going to jail, and then you'll have new martyrs to re-write NYT pieces on.

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 5:34pm

      Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS FOURTH TIME.

      You are right about one thing, Derp State. There will be indightments and people will be going to jail.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:30pm

        Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS FOURTH TIME.

        "indightments"

        I see your expertise in legal matters. And it's FUNNY.

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          Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:40pm

          Re: Re: Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS FOURTH TIME.

          funny*

          Pro tip champ, if you’re going to make fun of someone else’s spelling, don’t fuck up your own. Makes you look kinda like a pedantic little crybaby.

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 5:58am

      Re: Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS FOURTH TIME.

      Still shitposting this OPINION piece dumbass?

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 3:58pm

    Another that was "hidden" which I think deserves to be out and in bold face:

    Yes, your posts get hidden. Maybe you should think about why.

    No, please: TELL me why! I'm too stupid, by your own statements.

    I'm so stupid that I've become sure it's because Techdirt discriminates against viewpoints. Doesn't matter what words I use or how. I've been told directly by Masnick that ME being called an "ignorant motherfucker" is just a joke. But OH, my god, LINK to another site with different opinion! HIDE IT QUICK!

    Techdirt only pretends to be a neutral "platform", but is in fact a partisan: SNEAKILY, behind the scenes. Techdirt won't even admit that an administrator okays the "hiding"!

    And again, for anyone reasonable: you will NOT find on Techdirt even ONE fanboy comment which has been hidden. It's ALWAYS to disadvantage dissent.


    "The censor dogs are deleting my best posts!" http://cheezburger.com/9095694080

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 4:28pm

    Ron Paul: What the FBI/FISA Memo Really Tells Us About Our Government

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/february/05/what-the-fbifisa-memo-really -tells-us-about-our-government/

    First, the memo demonstrates that there is a “deep state” that does not want things like elections to threaten its existence.

    Finally, hawks on both sides of the aisle in Congress used “Russia-gate” as an excuse to build animosity toward Russia among average Americans. They knew from the classified information that there was no basis for their claims that the Trump Administration was put into office with Moscow’s assistance, but they played along because it served their real goal of keeping the US on war footing and keeping the gravy train rolling.

    In the meantime, be skeptical of both parties. With few exceptions they are not protecting liberty but promoting its opposite.

    Just as I say. So, going to ban Ron Paul now too?

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 5:35pm

      Re: Ron Paul: What the FBI/FISA Memo Really Tells Us About Our Government

      Ron Paul is crazier than your dumb ass. And that’s saying a lot.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:25pm

    "It's time to abolish the Federal Bureau of Investigation."

    "The G-men have degenerated into nothing more than a racketeering enterprise, a banana republic-style criminal conspiracy of vast proportions.

    Now we know that the FBI was plotting a coup against President-elect Trump."

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2018/01/carr_scandal_ridden_fbi_ must_be_abolished

    Mueller and other Cartoons...

    https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mueller-cartoon/

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:44pm

    "Nunes memo raises question: Did FBI violate Woods Procedures?"

    The point is: There are strict rules requiring that each and every fact presented in an FBI request to electronically spy on a U.S. citizen be extreme-vetted for accuracy - and presented to the court only if verified. There's no dispute that at least some, if not a great deal, of information in the anti-Trump "Steele dossier" was unverified or false. Former FBI director James Comey testified as much himself before a Senate committee in June 2017.

    http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/372233-nunes-memo-raises-question-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedu res?amp

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:49pm

    "KELLYANNE CONWAY | Delusional Dems Promised Russian Collusion, Now They're Running From The FISA Truth"

    "Those who have been talking about collusion, collusion, collusion with no result for over a year should really appreciate the process of transparency and accountability, even when it hits a little close to home in this case," Conway said.

    https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-1/awesome-kellyanne-super-bowl-interview-dems-promised- collusion-but-its-not-happening/

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 6:55pm

    Some more links, since Techdirt hates other views so much that "hides" the prior:

    "Trump: 'Little' Adam Schiff 'One of The Biggest Liars & Leakers in Washington' Along With Comey, Warner, Brennan & Clapper"

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=57918

    Raimondo: FISA-Gate The Plot To Destroy Our Republic

    https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2018/02/04/fisa-gate-plot-destroy-republic/


    Much of the insanity visible above is because they aren't widely read, fear to hear other views, don't even have vague notion of how "uneducated" people might regard Trump simply as "meh, better than Hillary". No, to them, mere wait-and-see means that you too are The Enemy.

    It's very simple: they cannot and will not see how the evil Trump won so he must have stolen the election. QED. -- They can never start to look at facts rationally, because to them, "that way lies madness"!

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:41pm

      Re: Some more links, since Techdirt hates other views so much that "hides" the prior:

      You forgot infowars and stormfront!!!

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:44pm

      Re: Some more links, since Techdirt hates other views so much that "hides" the prior:

      If your links weren't essentially the political equivalent of the National Enquirer or Alex Jones, we might be inclined to actually take you seriously.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 7:53pm

    Spam much?

    Holy crap, somebody's got a bee up their bonnet about something.

    I mean, I get the whining and complaining about never winning an argument because their logic is faulty and their facts are non-existent or misinterpreted at best, but spamming the comments with post after post, with links to questionable news sites is the definition of spam and is going to get their posts flagged faster and with less people actually reading them. Not that many of us do anyway.

    I guess it takes all kinds.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:54pm

    Filthy TOR pirate says [spam].

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 10:46pm

    There once was an out_of_the_blue
    Who hated the process of due
    Each film that he paid
    Was DMCAed
    And shoved up his ass with a screw

    (Go ahead, blue, report this comment. You take reported comments to be the gospel truth, after all.)

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:37am

    "In March 2016 Carter Page Was an FBI Employee - In October 2016 FBI Told FISA Court He's a Spy..."

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-oct ober-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/

    SO, kids, actually the FBI didn't have to investigate Page's "Russian ties", they PAID HIM to make them! Then just wove that into the needed new story.

    There are no end to rabbit holes, but NONE of this in ANY way or degree implicates Trump. Actually, Trump is exonerated and those Techdirt supports are shown to be outright Deep State criminals attempting to overturn the election.

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:47am

      Re: "In March 2016 Carter Page Was an FBI Employee - In October 2016 FBI Told FISA Court He's a Spy..."

      It is quite obvious that the Illuminati have joined forces with the Lizard People in order to prevent the Trump administration from revealing their presence and their plans for the destruction of our planet. The Derp State has confirmed such in their refusal to pledge loyalty to Trump and family and will therefore be consigned to the wayward coast of East BFE. Anyone who does not march with stiff knees is not being very patriotic, jack boots will become mandatory soon and then you all will be sorry.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:42am

    Techdirt back to old tricks, "hiding" and blocking!

    Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS FIFTH TIME.

    Cause the kids just love whack-a-mole. Massive hiding usually happens after I state am leaving, did this time.

    Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

    The GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/the-gop-memo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/

    So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate, for "research" that duplicates prior outline, even though the FBI knew Steele hadn't actually talked to any informants, let alone from the Kremlin, and that it was paid-for.

    Yup, only the target matters to Techdirt, not principle. -- As shown here by "free speech" Techdirt unable to stand my little bits of text, so hiding them!

    Just look at this aspect some clever person noticed: Steele claimed to have info direct from the Kremlin on a super secret highly valuable Rooski plot, which Putin personally would want to find who leaked. No trouble, just asked his old pals. -- NOTHING about this fabrication stands the laugh test.

    Keep digging this hole, kids. Likely to be indictments with people going to jail, and then you'll have new martyrs to re-write NYT pieces on.

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:43am

      Re: Techdirt back to old tricks, "hiding" and blocking!

      There ya go, kids. Took me five tries after blocking was up when I got the Carter Page link in, but so long I'm not entirely blocked, you're just playing whack-a-mole, as you've advised others not to do.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:45am

    Another that was "hidden" which I think deserves to be out and in bold face:

    Yes, your posts get hidden. Maybe you should think about why.

    No, please: TELL me why! I'm too stupid, by your own statements.

    I'm so stupid that I've become sure it's because Techdirt discriminates against viewpoints. Doesn't matter what words I use or how. I've been told directly by Masnick that ME being called an "ignorant motherfucker" is just a joke. But OH, my god, LINK to another site with different opinion! HIDE IT QUICK!

    Techdirt only pretends to be a neutral "platform", but is in fact a partisan: SNEAKILY, behind the scenes. Techdirt won't even admit that an administrator okays the "hiding"!

    And again, for anyone reasonable: you will NOT find on Techdirt even ONE fanboy comment which has been hidden. It's ALWAYS to disadvantage dissent.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 11:36am

    "Will The Conspiracy Against Trump and American Democracy Go Unpunished?"

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/05/will-conspiracy-trump-american-democracy-go-unpunished/

    "Russiagate is a dagger aimed at the heart of American governmental institutions. A conspiracy involving top officials of the Obama Department of Justice, FBI, and other "security" agencies was formed together with Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee, the purpose of which was to defeat Trump in the presidential election and, failing that, to remove Trump from office or to discredit him to the point that he would be reduced to a mere figurehead. This conspiracy has the full backing of the entirely of the mainstream media."

    Yes, if Techdirt has its way.


    BTW: the fanboys above are horrified simply by that anyone could be serious about this.

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 1:02pm

      Re: "Will The Conspiracy Against Trump and American Democracy Go Unpunished?"

      Conspiracy theorist Paul Craig Roberts, right?

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 1:09pm

      Re: "Will The Conspiracy Against Trump and American Democracy Go Unpunished?"

      If by horrified you mean that anyone would actually believe such drivel with absolutely zero proof, then yes, we are quite horrified.

      Flagged as spam.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 3:28pm

    AND NOW MORE WHACK-A-MOLE!

    Techdirt "hiding" the link, SO HERE IT IS SIXTH TIME.

    Cause the kids just love whack-a-mole. Massive hiding usually happens after I state am leaving, did this time.

    Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

    The GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/the-gop-memo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/

    So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate, for "research" that duplicates prior outline, even though the FBI knew Steele hadn't actually talked to any informants, let alone from the Kremlin, and that it was paid-for.

    Yup, only the target matters to Techdirt, not principle. -- As shown here by "free speech" Techdirt unable to stand my little bits of text, so hiding them!

    Just look at this aspect some clever person noticed: Steele claimed to have info direct from the Kremlin on a super secret highly valuable Rooski plot, which Putin personally would want to find who leaked. No trouble, just asked his old pals. -- NOTHING about this fabrication stands the laugh test.

    Keep digging this hole, kids. Likely to be indictments with people going to jail, and then you'll have new martyrs to re-write NYT pieces on.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 3:29pm

    TOR Browser sessions being poisoned after one or two comments again!

    So I KNOW there's a Moderator watching the site!

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 3:30pm

    THAT one was poisoned after its one comment!

    Yet "Resend" worked.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 5:44pm

    All the fervent masturbation you're doing is not going to make Hamilton come back, out_of_the_blue. MyNameHere? Maybe, but Hamilton doesn't dream about this site no more, Kimosahbee.

    For someone who hates this site with the intensity of a billion suns you seem to love spamming it and proudly declaring your ability to waste over three hours on it. That's just sad. Irreparably sad.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:19pm

    All my questions NOT answered.

    Masnick actually responded to similar here:

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180130/22212639127/we-need-to-shine-light-private-online-c ensorship.shtml#c380

    But as always he's ambigous: taking opportunity to say only no "Moderator", leaving "administrator" open!

    So repeating my response when first pointed to that today:

    Oh, I see the Techdirt system now! Instead of a "Guidelines" page easily found, we're all supposed to READ every comment in every topic! How are new users to know this?

    "The rest we leave up to the community to handle via the voting system."

    But what I ask it how does that "system" work! It's no answer to say "system"!

    IS THERE SOME PERSON WITH ADMINISTRATOR ACTION WHO OKAYS THE HIDING? That's SAME as "Moderator", then. Of course Masnick took opportunity to evade.

    What guidelines does "the community" go by? Make it up as go along?

    Who is this "community"? Where do I go to complain to them, then?

    Is there ANY appeal from this "system", or is it Soviet style: The People Have Spoken?

    To have any input means allowing Techdirt / Google to run javascript, so THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY.

    To EVEN SEE the hidden comments means allowing Techdirt / Google to run javascript, so THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY.

    How many clicks required out of how many readers?

    How do readers who do NOT click have any effect on the system so they don't have to waste time see the "hidden" comments?

    This "system" may be only one fanboy, then. -- And surely an administrator, because I'm again getting browser sessions poisoned after making one comment. -- In my theory, the random delays mentioned show that an "administrator" hasn't yet taken action.

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      Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:44am

      Re: All my questions NOT answered.

      Wow, you really do not understand how this works, at all.

      But as always he's ambigous: taking opportunity to say only no "Moderator", leaving "administrator" open!

      Paranoid much? Do you wear tin foil hats?

      But what I ask it how does that "system" work! It's no answer to say "system"!

      You see those multicolored buttons in the upper right of each posted comment? That's the voting system. Hover over them with a mouse to get more info. If enough people vote or flag your comment as spam, it gets hidden.

      What guidelines does "the community" go by? Make it up as go along?

      See voting system explanation above. Past that, there aren't any hard and fast rules that I am aware of.

      Who is this "community"? Where do I go to complain to them, then?

      The community is anyone who visits this site and/or chooses to leave a comment, such as you or me. You've got the complaining part down pat, since that's all you do on here.

      Is there ANY appeal from this "system", or is it Soviet style: The People Have Spoken?

      If the people have spoken, that is called democracy, or is that concept to difficult for you? Soviet style is dictatorship, of which, this is not. So yes, we have spoken, you're a moron. The only appeal is to educate yourself and stop being a moron.

      To have any input means allowing Techdirt / Google to run javascript, so THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY. To EVEN SEE the hidden comments means allowing Techdirt / Google to run javascript, so THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY.

      What are you on? TD does use javascript but there are other ways to make a website where you can have input. And what price? You mean the 5 minutes it takes me to respond to a topic I'm interested in? And no, Google has nothing to do with this, TD has operated like this long before Google was a sponsor. Someone else also pointed out that they are only ONE sponsor.

      How many clicks required out of how many readers?

      Finally! This is actually a good question and for my own curiosity, I would be interested in knowing this as well.

      How do readers who do NOT click have any effect on the system so they don't have to waste time see the "hidden" comments?

      Uh, they don't? You can't affect anything if you take no action. Since the only way to really interact with a website is either by mouse or keyboard, then by definition they can't affect it. For instance, I unhide your comments for giggles and to point out how wrong you are.

      This "system" may be only one fanboy, then. -- And surely an administrator, because I'm again getting browser sessions poisoned after making one comment. -- In my theory, the random delays mentioned show that an "administrator" hasn't yet taken action.

      See all my posts above that prove this horribly wrong. Also, I'm sure the admins don't have enough time to hide all your spammy posts and write new articles. If your browser session is getting 'poisoned', either 1) you're being an abusive, spammy, troll and the spam filter is catching you; or 2) you have some serious malware infections on your computer. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was both.

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        The Wanderer (profile), 8 Feb 2018 @ 5:07am

        Re: Re: All my questions NOT answered.

        (Grrr. Does this site's markdown permit any means of doing nested quotes, such that each quote level is distinguished from the previous?)

        What are you on? TD does use javascript but there are other ways to make a website where you can have input. And what price? You mean the 5 minutes it takes me to respond to a topic I'm interested in? And no, Google has nothing to do with this, TD has operated like this long before Google was a sponsor. Someone else also pointed out that they are only ONE sponsor.

        The price is that of letting unknown and possibly untrustworthy JS run on your computer, and do whatever it wants. In addition to consuming system resources (generally trivial amounts thereof, but still), there's always the chance that the JS involved may do something malicious, or at least "call home" - and the very fact that your computer contacted the relevant server to download the JS tells the people who host that server something about you.

        The list of scripts which want to run on this page includes three Google domains: google.com, google-analytics.com, and ajax.googleapis.com. I have scripts forbidden from the second, on the grounds that (as I understand matters) that's their main ads-and-tracking face and I don't want to be tracked in that way, but allowed from the other two. I don't recall whether I allowed scripts from those domains for the purposes of Techdirt, or for the purposes of some other site; the only reason I would have done the former is if some aspect of the site's commenting functionality does not work without scripts from those domains.

        If (parts of) Techdirt's comment functionality relies on JS loaded from one of Google's servers, then indeed, using (those parts of) the Techdirt comment system requires allowing JavaScript from Google.

        Uh, they don't? You can't affect anything if you take no action.

        I think this may be based on the idea that the number of flag (or "funny" or "insightful") clicks required for "enough" may vary depending on the total size of the potential pool of people who could so click. I entertained that idea myself, for quite some time.

        More recently, I've realized that the logistics of arranging that would be prohibitive; there's no real practical way to track the number of people who didn't click, much less those who don't even allow scripts from the site. It still might be possible to have the "enough" threshold vary depending on the total number of votes (in all three categories) for all comments on the article, or for all comments within the past X time period, or some such thing - but the benefits of doing such seem slim at most, and the complexity of implementing it would be relatively high, so it doesn't seem likely that anyone would bother.

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          Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 6:11pm

          Re: Re: Re: All my questions NOT answered.

          You make a point but most modern browsers run in a sandbox so the amount of damage malicious scripts can do is minimal as long as you aren't doing something stupid. Yes they can eat up system resources but just because some people use JS maliciously, doesn't mean all JS is malicious.

          Hence, on this site, at worst, you have some ads served and maybe some tracking from Google. However, that has jack all to do with commenting on the site. TD could have just as easily coded it to use JS and run absolutely nothing from Google or any other site. The act of commenting is also not what triggers 'the price' as just browsing the site does the same thing.

          I understand your point you were making but it doesn't change the fact that the AC I was replying to doesn't understand computer, internet, or web technology at all, and is just spouting off a bunch of nonsense because he is ticked off that people keep hiding his posts for being abusive/trolling/spam and wildly out of touch with reality. My post was just pointing that out.

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            The Wanderer (profile), 9 Feb 2018 @ 4:54am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: All my questions NOT answered.

            Hence, on this site, at worst, you have some ads served and maybe some tracking from Google. However, that has jack all to do with commenting on the site. TD could have just as easily coded it to use JS and run absolutely nothing from Google or any other site.

            They could have, but they (apparently?) didn't, and that fact has consequences which are worthy of being noted. It isn't a major negative, but it is still a negative.

            The act of commenting is also not what triggers 'the price' as just browsing the site does the same thing.

            It isn't the act of commenting, at least not as such - it's the act of interacting with the parts of the comment system which rely on that JS.

            IIRC from last time I tried it, it is in fact possible to both read comments and post comments here without allowing scripts - although I think that was before the switch to Markdown, so the "post comments" part may no longer be true.

            But it is not possible to "show hidden comment", to flag comment (in either a positive or a the negative way), or to see the Insider Chat, without allowing scripts.

            It is, however, entirely possible to browse the site without doing those things. I did so myself when I first started coming here, until I got curious enough to want to see some of the hidden comments.

            (I agree that the AC in question is a nut, mind. This just happens to be one detail where his nuttiness sits on top of on a small kernel of valid point.)

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              Anonymous Coward, 9 Feb 2018 @ 6:13am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: All my questions NOT answered.

              But the scripts that allow commenting and voting/flagging are completely different from the scripts that come with a 'price', such as the ones from Google. Whether you comment or not is irrelevant as those 'price' scripts run whether you comment or not by just visiting the page. The scripts that allow you to comment and vote/flag have NO 'price' attached to them because they are completely separate scripts.

              As you said, you can block scripts based on domain name so no, his nuttiness doesn't sit on top of a small kernel of a valid point. He doesn't even have a speck of a valid point. If you don't want Google to track you, go ahead and block their scripts. Any scripts that contribute to the actual functioning of the page are just that, page functional scripts, they have no price associated with them other than actually allowing you to interact with said page.

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                The Wanderer (profile), 10 Feb 2018 @ 4:30am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: All my questions NOT answered.

                Have you checked to verify that the scripts which provide the functionality and the scripts which provide tracking, et cetera, do actually come from different domains? Even if they do in the case of Techdirt (which may well be the case), they certainly don't always.

                Given the number of sites out there which do not work properly unless scripts from googleapis.com are allowed, and the fact that when I check the NoScript "domains from which this site wants to load scripts" on Techdirt I see ajax.googleapis.com on the "allowed" list, and the fact that AJAX is used for "asynchronous Web applications" (per Wikipedia), and the fact that the comment-flagging buttons and/or the show/hide feature look to be exactly that sort of asynchronous interface, it seems entirely plausible that part of Techdirt's commenting system may rely on the AJAX scripts hosted by Google for use by others.

                (The scripts by which Google most actively tracks people probably do run from different domains, but as far as I can tell, there's nothing to stop Google from noticing and logging access patterns to googleapis.com just as much as ones to its other domains - and that would permit tracking, even if in a lesser form.)

                If that is the case, then "the scripts that allow commenting and voting/flagging" are not "completely different from" "the scripts that come with a price".

                Note that I am not saying that that is the case with Techdirt. My original comment on this subject was very much in the form of an "if", with minor supporting circumstantial evidence, specifically because I am not currently in a position to testify on that subject. I could just as easily believe that an experiment which showed that it is not the case as one which showed that it is. (I haven't bothered with even the minor inconvenience of carrying out such an experiment because, to date, I haven't actually cared that much.)

                But I have seen enough sites which do not work properly without allowing scripts from at least googleapis.com that I do consider the original position to have a small kernel of validity.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 12 Feb 2018 @ 9:32am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: All my questions NOT answered.

                  Even if the script comes from Google's ajax repository, that still doesn't mean it has something to track you, or even that it was written by Google. It's only a repository, anyone can upload to it and they are all open source so you can easily check and see if a particular script will track you.

                  So even if the scripts come from a google domain, it's no guarantee they were written by Google and a FAR cry from saying there is automatically a 'price'.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:24pm

    he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 10:26pm

      Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

      Now, can't stand just a link, Techdirt?

      That browser session which posted the "system" questions got poisoned IMMEDIATELY after that, and then new sessions were blocked.

      By the way, IF my comments keep getting "hidden" on this increasingly stale topic, that's evidence of administrator action, seeing activity on this page.

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        Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 1:46am

        Re: Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

        If I or any of the other anonymous visitors to this website actually held a role of administrator, your ass would have been grass long, long ago.

        Have a DMCA vote.

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        PaulT (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 2:07am

        Re: Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

        "Now, can't stand just a link, Techdirt?"

        The link that you repeatedly post in a spammy way that might just be getting caught by the spam filter doing its job, and that we can all see now the multiple times some obsessed tosser has posted it? That one, the opinion post that's not evidence of anything you claim it is?

        Yes, that link is rather obnoxious, not least because it's been explained to you why it doesn't say what you think it does.

        "IF my comments keep getting "hidden" on this increasingly stale topic, that's evidence of administrator action"

        No, it's really not. In fact, it's really more evidence that you're whining about being personally slighted by a piece of software. Admins would be dealing with newer, busier posts while the bots deal with the old ones, not the other way around.

        That's just another way in which reality eludes you, sadly.

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          Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 3:17am

          Re: Re: Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

          This is how you can tell out_of_the_blue is absolutely crushed by the departure of Hamilton and MyNameHere - he's combined Hamilton's penchant for lengthy replies to himself with horse with no name's irrational paranoia. He's decided his New Year's resolution is to be the fucked up lovechild of two trolls.

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          Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:29am

          Re: Re: Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

          The link that you repeatedly post in a spammy way that might just be getting caught by the spam filter doing its job

          HOW EXACTLY DOES THE "spam filter" KNOW TO BLOCK THAT TEXT WITHOUT ADMINISTRATOR ACTION?

          It didn't for several times, but does NOW.

          PROOF IT'S BEEN PUT IN THERE BY AN ADMINISTRATOR.

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            PaulT (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:44am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

            "It didn't for several times, but does NOW"

            ...because you keep spammjng the site with the same link, and the spam filter is doing its job.

            You can't actually be this stupid, but I don't see what you get out of acting like such an uneducated moron.

            "PROOF IT'S BEEN PUT IN THERE BY AN ADMINISTRATOR."

            Everything on this site has been put in by an administrator, including the box that you keep hammering bullshit into with your keyboard. Websites don't magically appear, nor do the servers run themselves without administration.

            What's not happening is someone employed to read your comments and individually block them, as you claim.

            Come on, you can't be this stupid and know how to construct a sentence. Why does acting so stupid turn you on? As ever, you do provide a fascinating case study for mental illness, I just hope you are doing this with careful supervision.

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              Thad, 7 Feb 2018 @ 11:14am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

              Jesus Christ, he really doesn't understand even basic details about how spam filters work, does he?

              Blue. Seriously. Start a blog. I mean it. Not just for the usual "so you can write whatever you want and not have to worry about it getting moderated" reasons. Start a blog because you do not know how spam filters work, like at all.

              Start a blog. Allow anonymous comments, without Captcha. Use Akismet or some similar spam-blocking tool, and see what kind of posts it flags. See what they have in common.

              It's links, you indescribable thundering moron. That's what spam is.

              So when people write posts that have multiple links in them, or write multiple posts with the same link in them, it looks exactly like spam.

              I understand that you're angry that you can't pass a Turing test. I'd be angry too. (Well, more like mildly annoyed, as befits the minor inconvenience that having to wait awhile for your posts to show up actually is. But you get the idea.) But I have a passing understanding with how computers work, that they are not magic, that some user behaviors resemble spambot behaviors, and sometimes these produce false positives. Therefore, when I write a comment with a couple of links in it and it gets held for moderation, I do not begin screaming to the high heavens about how there is a vast conspiracy to, I dunno, delay my comment from appearing for fifteen minutes or some goddamn thing.

              Seriously, Blue. Start a blog. Wordpress, Blogger, Tumblr, friggin' LiveJournal if you want. You can write whatever you want; nobody will ever flag your posts or hold them for moderation. And you will learn basic facts about how spam filters work. And then maybe you can stop complaining about stupid shit. Or at least complain about it on your blog.

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                Toom1275 (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 9:36pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: he GOP memo proves the `deep state' is real

                Though it would be quite impressive if he manages to trip his own blog's spam filter.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:23am

    "Comment Held for Moderation...

    Thanks for your comment. It will be reviewed by our staff before it is posted."

    But Masnick says there are NO Moderators and NO moderation!

    So how exactly does this magic work?

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      Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:26am

      Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

      Well, apparently the specific text of the first link, or some in that comment is blocked.

      But there's plenty more!

      Key point is that Techdirt CAN'T STAND DISSENT.

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        PaulT (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:40am

        Re: Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

        Yes, you keep spamming this site, so your bullshit gets held in the spam filter before someone can see if it's actually spam.

        You've been told this hundreds of times, yet basic reality still confuses and angers you. What a waste of carbon.

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          Toom1275 (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:59am

          Re: Re: Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

          The fact that any of his spam links get through means that whoever checks the spam filter is allowing, not blocking, his idiocy.

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            That One Guy (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 11:18am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

            As always there's something delightfully funny about watching someone whining about how they're being 'censored' because their comments get caught in the spam filter, when the only reason their comments ever make it out of said filter is because the same people they are blaming are personally clearing their comments.

            'Biting the hand that feeds you' comes to mind, and if anything(and in direct contradiction to what the trolls/spammers imply) it makes TD look even better for demonstrating that they'll treat even people rabidly against them just the same as anyone else.

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      Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:27am

      Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

      Just paste this into your browser:

      nypost.com/2018/02/03/the-gop-memo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/

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        PaulT (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:38am

        Re: Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

        No, people would rather not post that opinion piece that doesn't prove anything you claim it does into their browsers. You've already been told why, every other time you've posted it.

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      PaulT (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:37am

      Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

      "So how exactly does this magic work?"

      Software. Like the stuff you interact with every time you drool your diarrhoea everywhere.

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      Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:53am

      Re: "Comment Held for Moderation...

      This 'magic' is because 1) you post a lot of comments in a short time period and/or 2) you post URL links in your comments.

      Either one can get your comment held for moderation by the spam filter. Mine have been held for both of those reasons on several occasions. After it's been verified I'm not a spammer, my comment gets posted. Let the system do its job and go find something else to do. You aren't going to win this.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:25am

    "Declassified Grassley Document Confirms FISA Memo's Explosive Claims"

    • A declassified document from the Senate Judiciary Committee confirms that the FBI "relied heavily" on an unverified dossier in order to obtain FISA surveillance warrants on one-time Trump advisor Carter Page

    • Unredacted portions of the document reveal the FBI's extensive involvement with the creator of the dossier, former UK spy Christopher Steele

    • Despite Steele lying to the FBI which led to the agency ending their relationship, they still used his unverified memo and vouched for his reputation to obtain the FISA warrants

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-07/declassified-grassley-document-confirms-fisa-mem os-explosive-claims

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      PaulT (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 6:39am

      Re: "Declassified Grassley Document Confirms FISA Memo's Explosive Claims"

      Who should people click on that link to a known partisan blog? No facts to present in a neutral setting, so you have to keep spamming with distorted blogs you found that agree with you?

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 11:39am

    "Grassley-Graham Memo: Dossier Author Christopher Steele Lied to FBI, FBI Didn't Tell FISA Court"

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 11:39am

    'WORST GOVERNMENT ABUSE SCANDAL IN A GENERATION' "Judicial Watch, calling it possibly "the worst government abuse scandal in a generation," said the Nunes memo "makes a compelling case that the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) court was misled

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      Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 12:00pm

      Re: 'WORST GOVERNMENT ABUSE SCANDAL IN A GENERATION' "Judicial Watch, calling it possibly "the worst government abuse scandal in a generation," said the Nunes memo "makes a compelling case that the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) court was mi

      Really? Cause I'm pretty sure the Snowden revelations 'trump' (heh see what I did there?) anything going on here.

      Also, FLAGGED.

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        PaulT (profile), 8 Feb 2018 @ 2:11am

        Re: Re: 'WORST GOVERNMENT ABUSE SCANDAL IN A GENERATION' "Judicial Watch, calling it possibly "the worst government abuse scandal in a generation," said the Nunes memo "makes a compelling case that the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) court wa

        HAHAHA

        Oh wow, you've been told that your opinion piece that you were so in love with really doesn't prove anything so now you're posting links to WND and Breitbart AND you're expecting them to be taken seriously?

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        Yes, you were flagged because you're a spamming asshole. Deal with it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 11:40am

    "Remember When They Smashed Cell Phones With Hammers" Trump SLAMS Hillary Clinton

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 11:40am

    "Carter Page Setup By FBI - He Was FBI Employee - FBI Told FISA COURT HE WAS A RUSSIAN SPY."

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      Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 5:07pm

      Re: "Carter Page Setup By FBI - He Was FBI Employee - FBI Told FISA COURT HE WAS A RUSSIAN SPY."

      This is why the spam filters see you as spam, you fucking muppet.

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        PaulT (profile), 8 Feb 2018 @ 2:13am

        Re: Re: "Carter Page Setup By FBI - He Was FBI Employee - FBI Told FISA COURT HE WAS A RUSSIAN SPY."

        No, leave him to it. I'm waiting to see how many openly biased opinion sources he wants to link to as "evidence"

        No wonder his mind is so broken and he has no concept of how things work in the real world if these are what he calls news sources!

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          Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 3:37am

          Re: Re: Re: "Carter Page Setup By FBI - He Was FBI Employee - FBI Told FISA COURT HE WAS A RUSSIAN SPY."

          No wonder his mind is so broken and he has no concept of how things work in the real world if these are what he calls news sources!

          Personally, I will be very amused if blue starts quoting from the Trichordist.

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            Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 7:18pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: "Carter Page Setup By FBI - He Was FBI Employee - FBI Told FISA COURT HE WAS A RUSSIAN SPY."

            Even worse. He’s quoting conspiracytards from youtube.

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              PaulT (profile), 9 Feb 2018 @ 1:40am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Carter Page Setup By FBI - He Was FBI Employee - FBI Told FISA COURT HE WAS A RUSSIAN SPY."

              He's basically spamming the site with every link he can find that confirms his pre-conceived idea of "fact". While missing that none of them have credibility, most of them aren't even news sources, and it should be obvious that none of it based in reality. Then, he's losing his shit because the spam filter is correctly filtering his spam.

              As ever, he's a fascinating case study in mental illness.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 12:01pm

    Spamity Spam

    Dude, give it a rest, you aren't winning this, you aren't even in the race.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 7 Feb 2018 @ 9:39pm

    And not a single *factual* source to be found among the spammed links

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      Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2018 @ 11:26pm

      Re:

      Blue's the guy who thinks that MPAA-released statistics are gospel truth, even after the MPAA admitted they exaggerated their findings. What did you expect?

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    Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 8:48am

    "New FBI texts show Obama wanted updates on Clinton investigation..."

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      PaulT (profile), 9 Feb 2018 @ 1:48am

      Re: "New FBI texts show Obama wanted updates on Clinton investigation..."

      This is such a weird thing that I'll bite - there's nothing wrong with the actions described.

      While you linked to the Daily Fail, and so it's likely that some or all of what's in that article is false (seriously dude, try some sources without a reputation for making shit up) - so what? The sitting president wanted updates on an criminal investigation into a high ranking politician and presidential candidate, and he promised not to interfere with the investigation for political reasons.

      What specifically is wrong with that? I'm not going to read the whole article as it reeks of sensationalist bullshit, but I see nothing wrong in the bullet points at the top of the article.

      "Strzok, though expected to be nonpartisan, also called Trump 'a f***ing idiot'"

      Being non-partisan doesn't mean you have to ignore objective reality. Support him or not, he is an idiot.

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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Feb 2018 @ 4:21am

        Re: Re: "New FBI texts show Obama wanted updates on Clinton investigation..."

        And if you read other (more credible) sources, the briefing wasn't about "her emails", it was, shockingly, about the investigation of Russia's election interference.

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    Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 11:16am

    Funniest so far: Adam Schiff tried to get nude photos of POTUS (Trump)! Pranked by wily Rooskis!

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      Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 11:18am

      Re: Funniest so far: Adam Schiff tried to get nude photos of POTUS (Trump)! Pranked by wily Rooskis!

      From evidence over 5 tries, "citizen free press" as one word is blocked.

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        Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 11:20am

        Re: Re: Funniest so far: Adam Schiff tried to get nude photos of POTUS (Trump)! Pranked by wily Rooskis!

        CONFIRMED by trying to post the link again from session that just got this in. -- So, there's another website for ya to block! Have fun!

        Sheesh. What kids. And you'll eventually LOSE BIG on this when indictments come down.

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          Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 7:15pm

          Re: Re: Re: Funniest so far: Adam Schiff tried to get nude photos of POTUS (Trump)! Pranked by wily Rooskis!

          I’ll renemer you said that.

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            Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 11:44pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Funniest so far: Adam Schiff tried to get nude photos of POTUS (Trump)! Pranked by wily Rooskis!

            Remember the time when out_of_the_blue claimed SOPA would pass?

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    Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 3:24pm

    "Uranium One informant makes Clinton allegations to Congress"

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    Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 3:24pm

    "BRILLIANT: Devin Nunes OBLITERATES Manu Raju With Just One Sentence..."

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    Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 3:25pm

    "Attkisson Explains EXACTLY How Obama Spied On Trump" -- `I've never seen journalists so uncurious about spying'

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/4g_LflpmMhQ?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch =0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent


    **Since Techdirt is blocking Citizen Free Press link, taken from there. -- Hope to see you block Youtube! HA, HA!**

    And just think of the collateral damage you're doing by blocking links to sites! For shame!

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    Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2018 @ 3:25pm

    "George W. Bush claims 'there's pretty clear evidence Russia meddled' in the 2016 US presidential election - and says Putin 'has a chip on his shoulder' because of the demise of the Soviet Union"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5366785/George-W-Bush-says-Russia-meddled-2016-US-election.h tml

    HA, HA! Masnick and Bush both believe this! Neo-cons and neo-libs are the same: anti-Trump and anti-USA!

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Feb 2018 @ 7:00am

    "Democratic Sen. Mark Warner texted with Russian oligarch lobbyist in effort to contact dossier author Christopher Steele"

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/08/democratic-sen-mark-warner-texted-with-russian-oligarch-l obbyist-in-effort-to-contact-dossier-author-christopher-steele.html

    "Secrecy seemed very important to Warner as the conversation with Waldman heated up March 29, when the lobbyist revealed that Steele wanted a bipartisan letter from Warner and the committee's chairman, North Carolina Republican Sen. Richard Burr, inviting him to talk to the Senate intelligence panel. Throughout the text exchanges, Warner seemed particularly intent on connecting directly with Steele without anyone else on the Senate Intelligence Committee being in the loop -- at least initially. In one text to the lobbyist, Warner wrote that he would "rather not have a paper trail" of his messages."

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Feb 2018 @ 7:00am

    Trump Calls Out 5 Officials as `Liars and Leakers'

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-calls-out-5-officials-as-liars-and-leakers_2433542.html

    "Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper!" the president wrote. "Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!"

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Feb 2018 @ 7:01am

    America's "Intellectual-Yet-Useful-Idiots" Exposed

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-05/americas-intellectual-yet-useful-idiots-exposed

    With big sarcastic quotes around "intellectual", that includes Masnick.

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      PaulT (profile), 9 Feb 2018 @ 7:19am

      Re: America's "Intellectual-Yet-Useful-Idiots" Exposed

      Do you have anything from the reference section of the library? I'm getting a little bored with the fiction and comedy sections.

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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Feb 2018 @ 7:34am

        Re: Re: America's "Intellectual-Yet-Useful-Idiots" Exposed

        The sad thing is that blue earnestly believes the junk he's posted is non-fiction.

        Also because if blue actually posts any fiction, he'd have to report himself for copyright infringement. Fair use doesn't exist in his world, after all.

        The least we can do is honor his copyright choices in life with DMCA votes.

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          PaulT (profile), 9 Feb 2018 @ 8:00am

          Re: Re: Re: America's "Intellectual-Yet-Useful-Idiots" Exposed

          I'm finding it fascinating, if only because his sources are so obviously biased, some of them actually have a well-deserved reputation for making things up from whole cloth. It's like a list of sources you'd normally be advised to ignore, since even the accurate stories will have a blatant spin or misdirection, and some stories won't even have a kernel of truth present.

          I'm sure that if I could be bothered to read them, there would either be tell-tale signs that I could easily point out that they're not correct, or simply cases where the headline's misleading but laughing boy didn't bother to read past it.

          We're either dealing with a dedicated performance artist who really needs to tone their schtick down a bit, or someone with actual mental issues who's spending far too much time in right-wing echo chambers. Which perhaps explains why he's so angry and confused when faced with sites that don't deal the same way.

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            Anonymous Coward, 9 Feb 2018 @ 6:41pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: America's "Intellectual-Yet-Useful-Idiots" Exposed

            The funny thing is, blue used to be doing so well. Not long after the Prenda explosion happened courtesy of Otis Wright blue basically disappeared for about a year, then came back in 2015 to boast about how he avoided the site for that long and somehow couldn't resist coming back to waste his time on trolling.

            Now that Shiva Ayyadurai's campaign hit a roadblock, and MyNameHere/Whatever/Just Sayin'/horse with no name put himself on yet another self-imposed exile (one that is lasting longer than his track record would indicate), out_of_the_blue seems to have taken it on himself to assume all responsibilities for all the Techdirt trolls.

            Kinda shows the dedication he has to the site, one which he describes as a cesspit that he was fool enough to fall into, yet somehow not un-fool enough to leave...

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    Anonymous Coward, 11 Feb 2018 @ 10:41am

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Feb 2018 @ 8:10am

    Why has Devin Nunes been so confident? Why did all GOP HPSCI members happily allow the Democrats to create a 10-page narrative? All questions are answered.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/10/game-over-judge-jeanine-interview-with-hpsci-rep-chr is-stewart/

    BTW: 1,381 Responses on a site I'd never heard of before.

    Compare that to the few hundred of mere denials that I caused here!

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      PaulT (profile), 12 Feb 2018 @ 8:30am

      Re: Why has Devin Nunes been so confident? Why did all GOP HPSCI members happily allow the Democrats to create a 10-page narrative? All questions are answered.

      "BTW: 1,381 Responses on a site I'd never heard of before."

      So, you don't care what a site's track record, reputation, reliability, etc. are, you're just going on whether or not the article fits your preconceived assumptions and whether it generates lots of comments. That figures, since basing ideas upon actual facts is not your forte.

      So, apart from the fact that the URL indicates it's probably someone's blog (already a red flag if you're trying to pretend it's a primary or unbiased source), what do the responses actually *say*? Do they agree? Disagree? Are they actually on topic? Is there a flame war between a handful of people that have nothing to do with the subject of the article? Are most of the comments literal spam, because the author hasn't installed a spam filter like the one you lose your shit over regularly?

      The answers to those questions have a huge effect on whether the source you're depending upon is trustworthy, even before you get to pesky things like the reputation and track record of the author. (No, I'm not clicking on the site, *your* track record tells me it's not worth bothering with).

      Come on, I'm sure we can get you applying some critical thinking! Give it a go, explain why this source is relevant other than that it massaged your ego and continued a probably false narrative that you've fallen in love with.

      "Compare that to the few hundred of mere denials that I caused here!"

      If you think that getting a bunch of people telling you to stop being a trolling moron is achieving something, I'm sorry for the waste of a life you must have led.

      But, using your own metric above - the original article here must be true because it has a lot of comments! By your standards listed above, the reputation of the site and author mean nothing, only the number of comments and whether you agree with what's been said.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Feb 2018 @ 8:39am

    "Poll: Americans ‘Overwhelmingly’ Believe Obama ‘Improperly Surveilled’ Trump Campaign"

    An IBD/TIPP poll shows that “Americans overwhelmingly believe the Obama administration ‘improperly surveilled’ Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.”

    Despite the disgraced American media’s best and most cynical efforts to bury the truth, and to even stop the truth from ever seeing the light of day, this poll (and another addressed below) demonstrate that the American people are almost entirely tuning the partisan, mostly-hysterical news media out and looking to alternative media for the truth.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/10/poll-americans-overwhelmingly-believe-obam a-improperly-surveilled-trump-campaign/

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      PaulT (profile), 12 Feb 2018 @ 8:47am

      Re: "Poll: Americans ‘Overwhelmingly’ Believe Obama ‘Improperly Surveilled’ Trump Campaign"

      Wow, even your selected quote is ridiculously biased and hysterical.

      Again, do you have anything resembling facts, or are you just dedicated to trawling sites known for lying to their readership for spin you agree with?

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Feb 2018 @ 3:54pm

    "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Feb 2018 @ 4:41pm

      Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

      You sure are putting in a lot of effort to flood a website you claim is insignificant and only Bangladeshis read.

      Have a DMCA vote.

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      PaulT (profile), 13 Feb 2018 @ 12:29am

      Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

      Actually, what are the odds that the right-wing conspiracy junk you tune into 24/7 is simply lying to you? This is the quality of the sources you have chosen. A random racist nut literally broadcasting from his basement (the article mentions later he's started again):

      "Harold Charles "Hal" Turner (born March 15, 1962) is an American white nationalist, Holocaust denier,[1] and blogger from North Bergen, New Jersey. In August 2010, he was convicted for making threats against three federal judges with the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Prior to Turner's arrest, his radio program, The Hal Turner Show, was a webcast from his home once a week."|

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

      Again, try finding some actual news sources. The cesspool you're swimming in does not represent fact.

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        Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 1:36am

        Re: Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

        Blue will gladly Godwin and insist that anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi, while at the same time drink the baby batter of a KKK supporter and Holocaust denier, if it means he gets to think he's somehow got one up over Masnick.

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          PaulT (profile), 13 Feb 2018 @ 1:53am

          Re: Re: Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

          What I particularly love is the way he's not even trying to hide that fact that he's mindlessly parroting the worst, most biased people out there.

          If he'd have posted some kind of neutral link (the air crash is not a matter of opinion or partisan spin, nor presumably any verified identities of the victims involved), then added the conspiracy spin on top, some might be willing to engage in conversation. Instead, he's quoting from people who clearly have an axe to grind, if not living in some strange fantasyland themselves, and is so announcing he is not be taken seriously.

          I also love the fact that he's picking this thread to repeatedly post to, even though nothing has happened here for days except people mocking him and me pointing out why his "news" sources are full of shit. Yet, he still apparently believes people will take his random links seriously, even as they've now devolved from well-known (if totally untrustworthy) sources to some random guy's blog.

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            Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 5:17am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

            Yet, he still apparently believes people will take his random links seriously, even as they've now devolved from well-known (if totally untrustworthy) sources to some random guy's blog.

            Indeed. It's almost like he thinks that more than 27 Bangladeshis read this site, if he believes his efforts to merit some sort of point... but that would mean admitting to his previous mistake. out_of_the_blue would saw off his own legs and plead the cause for fair use before admitting that he made a mistake.

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              Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 6:23am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

              Is it possible that he really doesn't believe all the crap he is spewing and the links he posts and is just truly trolling us all?

              At the same time it takes a truly dedicated troll to come back here day after day, for years just to troll the site.

              I don't know, it just beggars belief that there is someone like him who would post nonsense links FOR DAYS on a thread most everyone has abandoned. Sometimes I think he's serious and other times it seems like he can't possibly be serious about everything he posts.

              Opinions? Thoughts? Smart remarks?

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                PaulT (profile), 13 Feb 2018 @ 7:01am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

                Honestly, it's past the point where it really matters. Either he is actually mentally ill, he gets his kicks from derailing the intelligent conversations of others or is otherwise a "performance artist" of some stripe. Whichever it is, it's an empty existence that he's trying to fill by adding negative value to other peoples' conversations.

                As for this thread where he's posting random links? Meh, it gives me something to sharpen my rebuttal skills and add some new URLs to use to recognise when someone probably doesn't have factual value to a conversation.

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                Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 8:39am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump"

                He is trolling. That much is obvious.

                As for whether he believes the nonsense he's posting or otherwise, he's offered very little evidence to suggest he doesn't. out_of_the_blue's gimmick used to be corporate and copyright support at any cost, even his coherence and logic. Goodness knows why he thinks venturing into the realm of politics is a brilliant idea.

                Either way, until he posts something that actually makes sense, he's auto-filtered to the spamblocker and the DMCA vote system.

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 9:06am

    "Peeling back the layers of Hillary Clinton's deceit"

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 9:07am

    "We now have reached a point where liberals praise the Deep State as the pillars of honesty and integrity..."

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 9:10am

    "Top FBI Agent Bill Priestap is cooperating with Trump Justice officials, and has turned on Comey's Criminal Syndicate. Complete details. The game is over."

    No link, since Techdirt blocks the site, and anyway, none of the fanboys would take it.

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      Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 9:12am

      Re: "Top FBI Agent Bill Priestap is cooperating with Trump Justice officials, and has turned on Comey's Criminal Syndicate. Complete details. The game is over."

      TOR Browser's "Resend" got it through again -- after I found that I'd apparently used a prior item, as the site seems to be blocked.

      But there are still MANY sites, Techdirt, besides that I can always omit it: don't want them getting traffic from you in first place!

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        PaulT (profile), 14 Feb 2018 @ 12:30am

        Re: Re: "Top FBI Agent Bill Priestap is cooperating with Trump Justice officials, and has turned on Comey's Criminal Syndicate. Complete details. The game is over."

        Again, if only you spent as much time with intelligent discourse as you did being a sad, desperate, hateful liar....

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        Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 7:02am

        Re: Re: "Top FBI Agent Bill Priestap is cooperating with Trump Justice officials, and has turned on Comey's Criminal Syndicate. Complete details. The game is over."

        don't want them getting traffic from you in first place

        Should've thought of that before incessantly spamming the site with hyperlinks, dumbass.

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      PaulT (profile), 14 Feb 2018 @ 12:29am

      Re: "Top FBI Agent Bill Priestap is cooperating with Trump Justice officials, and has turned on Comey's Criminal Syndicate. Complete details. The game is over."

      Wow, so now you're even refusing to mention the names of the white supremacist blogs you read, because the spam filter is correctly filtering you as spam.

      Your act is getting more desperate and pathetic by the day!

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 4:34pm

    "Grassley Uncovers Bizarre Susan Rice Email to HERSELF on Secret Meeting with Comey, Yates and OBAMA on Spying on Trump"

    Susan Rice sent THIS to herself: "President Obama began the conversation by stressing his continued commitment to ensuring that every aspect of this issue is handled by the Intelligence and law enforcement communities `by the book'. The President stressed that he is not asking about, initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. He reiterated that our law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would by the book."

    Do YOU email yourself for notes, or is that a remarkably clumsy attempt to manufacture evidence?

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      Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 7:26am

      Re: "Grassley Uncovers Bizarre Susan Rice Email to HERSELF on Secret Meeting with Comey, Yates and OBAMA on Spying on Trump"

      Yeah, actually, I HAVE emailed myself notes on occasion. I don't do it so much anymore now that things like OneNote and EverNote exist but if I'm in a place where all I've got is my email, and I need the note in digital format, you better bet I'm emailing myself. It's quick and easy.

      What is a remarkably clumsy attempt is you trying to actually post anything of significance.

      Flagged and tagged.

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        PaulT (profile), 14 Feb 2018 @ 7:36am

        Re: Re: "Grassley Uncovers Bizarre Susan Rice Email to HERSELF on Secret Meeting with Comey, Yates and OBAMA on Spying on Trump"

        Indeed. Of course, I'm not going to look for the context and the content of the email since laughing boy can't be bothered to provide it. But, the existence of an email to one's self to remind you of aspects of a meeting is hardly strange,

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 4:34pm

    "FBI-gate: The Outlines of the Story Are Coming into Focus"

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      PaulT (profile), 14 Feb 2018 @ 12:36am

      Re: "FBI-gate: The Outlines of the Story Are Coming into Focus"

      Oh yeah, I knew there was one notorious right-wing spin factory you were missing from your list! Thanks for the reminder.

      Now, do you have anything from the non-fiction section of the web?

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 4:36pm

    See that some of my comments are now being left in view, because "the community" voting them down excuse isn't plausible on a dead topic.

    So I'll probably get in "The Last Word" here, eventually.

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      Anonymous Coward, 13 Feb 2018 @ 5:30pm

      Re: See that some of my comments are now being left in view, because "the community" voting them down excuse isn't plausible on a dead topic.

      No chance, spambot. DMCAed.

      Also the Streisand Effect says hi, genius.

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      PaulT (profile), 14 Feb 2018 @ 12:39am

      Re: See that some of my comments are now being left in view, because "the community" voting them down excuse isn't plausible on a dead topic.

      "because "the community" voting them down excuse isn't plausible on a dead topic"

      Yes, because there's only a few of us still reading your rambling crap.

      But, here's how logic applies in the real world: if it was not the community voting you down, your posts would still be getting hidden. By your own claim, people are no longer reading this thread, but the people you think are hired to hide your posts will never miss one. But, because it *is* the community voting you down and the only people left are the ones having fun mocking you (and thus have no reason to hide your posts), they are still visible.

      Once again, your arguments exist on the polar opposite of reality. By your own claims, tit is the community here trying to tell you shut the hell up and leave the sane adults to do the talking.

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        Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 2:06am

        Re: Re: See that some of my comments are now being left in view, because "the community" voting them down excuse isn't plausible on a dead topic.

        Of course, since out_of_the_blue is the sort of person who claims that allowing large breweries to bully smaller ones is his sworn duty as an anti-corporate activist, he'll never admit to it.

        There's also the small oopsie blue boy hasn't considered: by making sure his presence is known it drives more attention to flag his garbage.

        But copyright-types were never really known for thinking things through.

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    Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 9:25am

    HERE AGAIN THE ORIGINAL COMMENT WHICH MIGHTY TECHDIRT CANNOT STAND! CENSORED HOW MANY TIMES NOW?

    Knew Techdirt would deny, so here's a link that covers ALL:

    The G O P m e m o proves the `de ep sta te' is real

    http://ny post.com/2018/02/03/the-go p-m emo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/

    Had to fracture it because the site is now in the dreaded "filters".

    So Techdirt is OKAY with FISA warrants being paid for by opposition candidate, for "research" that duplicates prior outline, even though the FBI knew Steele hadn't actually talked to any informants, let alone from the Kremlin, and that it was paid-for.

    Yup, only the target matters to Techdirt, not principle. -- As shown here by "free speech" Techdirt unable to stand my little bits of text, so hiding them!

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    Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 9:27am

    "BOOM! Judicial Watch President: CIA Laundered Clinton-DNC Dossier Into White House Intel Briefing - It's Time to Question Obama"

    From a site now apparently blocked in Techdirt's "filters", and in any case, I've quit bothering as headline is enough to drive Free Speech Techdirt wild and have the comment censored, and the site put in its "filter" to block more.

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      Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 9:35am

      Re: "BOOM! Judicial Watch President: CIA Laundered Clinton-DNC Dossier Into White House Intel Briefing - It's Time to Question Obama"

      Good. Then stop posting. If you continue to post, you obviously are continuing to 'bother' and haven't quit.

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      PaulT (profile), 15 Feb 2018 @ 12:32am

      Re: "BOOM! Judicial Watch President: CIA Laundered Clinton-DNC Dossier Into White House Intel Briefing - It's Time to Question Obama"

      "From a site now apparently blocked in Techdirt's "filters""

      Probably because some rabid asshole is actually spamming the site with links to them. Any idea who that could be?

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    Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 9:28am

    "Former Chief Asst. U.S. Attorney: Entire Media Missing Most Important Point About Steele Dossier"

    "The real problem with the dossier is that the sources are these [ALLEGED] anonymous Russians who are often 3-4-5 steps removed in terms of hearsay from the things that they claim to have seen [...] Steele himself has not been to Russia in 20-years."

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      PaulT (profile), 15 Feb 2018 @ 12:54am

      Re: "Former Chief Asst. U.S. Attorney: Entire Media Missing Most Important Point About Steele Dossier"

      "Steele himself has not been to Russia in 20-years"

      Cool. I've never been to Australia, but I work daily with a guy there on multiple projects. So, anything illegal I collude with him on is OK and never happened because I've not actually been there? Nice to know!

      You actually believe this shit, don't you? I mean, given the "alternate facts" reality in which you spend your time it's hardly surprising, but it is sad to see someone so incapable of dealing with the way the real world is.

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    Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 9:29am

    "FBI-gate: The Outlines of the Story Are Coming into Focus"

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      Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 9:36am

      Re: "FBI-gate: The Outlines of the Story Are Coming into Focus"

      Last word, mine.

      Try again.

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      Anonymous Coward, 14 Feb 2018 @ 6:18pm

      Re: "FBI-gate: The Outlines of the Story Are Coming into Focus"

      So much for not posting linls. Didn't you want to not drive Techdirt traffic to these sites? Blue boy lying again, what a surprise...

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        PaulT (profile), 15 Feb 2018 @ 12:37am

        Re: Re: "FBI-gate: The Outlines of the Story Are Coming into Focus"

        On some other sites I frequent, the site he linked to gets you laughed out of the room, as they're in a group of derpy right-wing propaganda sites that are known and proven to outright lie to their readers.

        Actually, I don't believe he's stumbled across a link to a source that *doesn't* have the reputation of lying to their readers yet. If nothing else, this thread is proof positive of the damaging mental effects that wallowing in the right-wing derposphere has on those who don't seek outside sources.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Mar 2018 @ 7:30pm

    And, goes to full House after vote split along "party" lines...

    Most significant is the finding that “none of the interviewed witnesses” provided evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

    Not a bit of evidence. Techdirt and fanboys went ape insisting... er, something: they're not even rational enough to state what the accusations are.

    I'll have the last laugh, kids, despite your rabid censoring.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Apr 2018 @ 6:25am

    Slow process still going, WILL show what Nunes claimed:

    Yes, still UPDATING in part to protest Techdirt's egregious, undeserved, outside of common law, violation of the forms contract, viewpoint discriminating CENSORING.

    Techdirt puts up HTML input form for anyone to use, states advocates free speech, reserves no rights, and therefore TD has ZERO basis to even disadvantage viewpoint. -- So long as comments are okay under common law: it's NOT even Techdirt's choice to make. -- CDA 230 does NOT authorize censorship, only states that sites must act in "good faith" by The Public's definition.

    On topic: I'll be proved right eventually, and the kids of Techdirt will just ignore.

    From: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/14/someones-doing-the-doj-and-fbi-interro gations-and-its-not-congress/

    All of the news and information coming forward, including the withdrawal of the request for the Democrat memo, aligns with a very specific fact pattern. Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, James Baker, Bill Priestap, Bruce Ohr and likely Nellie Ohr, have cut some kind of deal with the IG for process leniency in exchange for cooperation.

    That site claims 1,019 Responses! Compare to TD's single digits of late. (This which I drove into frenzy is not typical!)

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    Anonymous Coward, 20 Apr 2018 @ 8:02pm

    UPDATE: Comey memo released; shows Comey partisan to criminal.

    Nunes and Gowdy rebuke: https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=879

    Trump sez: "James Comey Memos just out and show clearly that there was NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION. Also, he leaked classified information. WOW! Will the Witch Hunt continue?" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/987173366401585155

    So more hoots! -- Eventually, Techdirt will be forced to eat this STORY. If doesn't shut down first!

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    Anonymous Coward, 20 Apr 2018 @ 8:03pm

    DeSantis letter direct from source:

    https://desantis.house.gov/_cache/files/8/0/8002ca75-52fc-4995-b87e-43584da268db/472EBC7D8F55C0F9E83 0D37CF96376A2.final-criminal-referral.pdf

    Read it and fall apart, Techdirt! You're not just WRONG in this piece, you're LYING. -- AND CENSORING! -- And WHY, when have so little influence? That's the real HOOT! Flat lying just to fire up your FEW fanboys!

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    Anonymous Coward, 20 Apr 2018 @ 8:04pm

    I see you HAVE given up on censoring this old thread, though!

    As I predicted, because you can't claim enough people are reading it, so would show is just Administrator action.

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      PaulT (profile), 23 Apr 2018 @ 12:29am

      Re: I see you HAVE given up on censoring this old thread, though!

      No, it's because most people have better things to do than answer some ranting moron on a stagnant thread that nobody else has commented on since February.

      If waiting until a thread is long dead then posting nonsense that nobody is likely to reply to counts a win for you, then have it. But, as per usual, it neither proves what you think it does nor does it mean anything of any substance.

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    Anonymous Coward, 10 May 2018 @ 8:51pm

    YET ANOTHER UPDATE! I'm not going to let this drop, CENSORS.

    What really happened was PHONY DOSSIER turned into FAKE NEWS and then referenced as if true:

    > ... reporter Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News wrote this gem on September 16, 2016:

    > `"...U.S. officials have since received intelligence reports that during that same three-day trip, Page met with Igor Sechin, a longtime Putin associate ... a well-placed Western intelligence source tells Yahoo News. That meeting, if confirmed, is viewed as especially problematic by U.S. officials..."

    > **Dozens of stories were written from the Isikoff piece, doing real damage to the Trump campaign. Of course, now we know *Isikoff's reference to "intelligence reports" was just him renaming a dossier funded by Democrats and dug up by his longtime pal* Glenn Simpson and some foreign spies.** Once Simpson gave his Clinton campaign opposition research to the feds, it was news.

    https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/read-michael-caputos-full-awesome-statement-telling-s enate-intel-to-go-to-hell/

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    Anonymous Coward, 10 May 2018 @ 8:58pm

    TODAY: the alleged "13 Russians" demanded speedy trial!

    Mueller tried stalling, will now be forced to present his ridiculous fantasy in public trial, and will FLOP.

    Also of late, Federal judge accused Mueller team of LYING, and demanded to see their authority. (That memo is secret! From the deep state.) That's rare from a judge.

    Stay tuned, kids! More loss for YOU in store!


    I see "PaulT" is upset that I'm still here amusing myself and troubles to say I'm wasting my time. Sheesh. Nope, kid. I ran this topic, and own it, and will be proved right, and YOU will never have the honesty to admit that the whole "Trump-Russia collusion" story is fake from start. You'd rather believe lies.

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      PaulT (profile), 11 May 2018 @ 3:35am

      Re: TODAY: the alleged "13 Russians" demanded speedy trial!

      "I see "PaulT" is upset"

      No, I just take note every time I get an email showing a ranting idiot is still obsessively posting in a thread he himself claims nobody is reading.

      "You'd rather believe lies."

      You *really* want to start examining the nature of your "news" sources before trying that attack on others.

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        Anonymous Coward, 22 May 2018 @ 9:49pm

        Re: Re: TODAY: the alleged "13 Russians" demanded speedy trial!

        No, I just take note every time I get an email showing a ranting idiot is still obsessively posting in a thread he himself claims nobody is reading.

        Well, take another! Thanks for informing I have a hot-line to your email!

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          PaulT (profile), 23 May 2018 @ 12:59am

          Re: Re: Re: TODAY: the alleged "13 Russians" demanded speedy trial!

          Hot line? No. As a regular poster, requesting updates whenever someone responds to a thread I've been involved with so that I might address new information, posters or continue a conversation? Yes. Just as every honest person posting here likely does.

          The question is - if you don't know about this email feature, why are you obsessively spamming this particular thread, given that by this point only people subscribed to it as I am are still reading it? You are surely aware that by this point the only people reading will be people subscribed to alerts? There is literally nobody else here except those who mock you, for very good reasons.

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 May 2018 @ 9:45pm

    Reality Check: The FBI Planted a Spy In the Trump Campaign?

    Turns out that claim is true. But the story is so much deeper than that.

    Who that spy has turned out to be, is a man with CIA connections who has inserted himself into presidential campaigns before. And the fact that the DOJ has fought to keep his identity a secret is completely reshaping what we know about the investigation in Russian meddling.

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      Anonymous Coward, 22 May 2018 @ 9:48pm

      Re: Reality Check: The FBI Planted a Spy In the Trump Campaign?

      Apparently (based on four attempts) this web-site is in the might Techdirt "filters", so remove spaces, should anyone not a rabid leftist read this...

      http://truth in media .com/reality-check-fbi-spy-in-trump-campaign/

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        PaulT (profile), 23 May 2018 @ 12:48am

        Re: Re: Reality Check: The FBI Planted a Spy In the Trump Campaign?

        "Rabid leftist" = someone who doesn't spend all their time reading sources known to make shit up. If the "mainstream media" isn't covering something, often it's because the source being quoted by the bubble you get your news from made it up, not some conspiracy.

        It's the spamming asshole being "blocked" (i.e. correctly filtered as spam), not any specific link. If you linked to a factual source, the result would likely be the same. That's unlikely to happen organically, but that's reality for you.

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