Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt
from the speak-the-truth dept
This week, our first place winner on the insightful side is Stephen T. Stone (who has a lot of wins this week) responding to the argument that Elon Musk’s attacks on George Soros are not anti-semitic:
It is anti-Semitic, however, to posit that George Soros is part of, or the mastermind behind, a decades-long multi-national plan concocted and carried out by Jews to “harm” the United States for some nebulous reason. People who believe in that shit know that invoking Soros’s name is enough to get the point across without having to explicitly say “Jews”. To wit: You talk of “how much Soros has harmed society” but offer no concrete descriptor of those harms and no explanation of how Soros is personally and singularly responsible for those harms. That you don’t mention a Jewish conspiracy to destroy America is largely irrelevant. You’re repeating the same coded bullshit as anti-Semites; that’s enough to make me think you have more of a problem with Jews in general than you do with George Soros in particular.
In second place, it’s Thad with a response to the notion that Twitter had to choose between blocking tweets at the behest of the Turkish government or being blocked in the country entirely:
That sounds suspiciously like free speech relativism to me.
For editor’s choice, we start out with a comment from Edwin Young that followed up on an initial comment suggesting Twitter shadowbanning Bellingcat might have been an innocent mistake:
Wrote that before seeing that interview where Musk triples-down on Bellingcat being a psy-op. 🙄 So it also seems highly plausible he directly ordered the whole fiasco. “Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence” but in today’s Twitter the two are so entwined who can tell them apart?
Next, it’s Toom1275 with a pretty reliable maxim:
There are no arguments against Section 230 that are not some variation of “I hate that innocence is a defense against frivolous lawsuits.”
Over on the funny side, our first place winner is once again Stephen T. Stone, this time responding to one of the more common types of pointless complaints in our comments:
That damned Forcing People To Read Techdirt device has struck again! Mike, I thought you agreed that you’d only use it once per month!
And Stephen took second place for funny too, but in order to give the comment the proper context, we’re going to go out of order and start with an editor’s choice nod to Junkyardmagic’s comment on our post about the 20th anniversary of the Streisand Effect:
Oh my god…
She didn’t just suffer the Streisand effect, it’s much worse. whenever anyone makes the same mistake her name is mentioned: the Meta Streisand Effect!
That brings us to our second place winner, which is Stephen’s reply based on one of the oldest South Park jokes:
I suppose that’s still better than the Mecha Streisand Effect…
Finally, our second editor’s choice for funny is another comment from Thad, with another handy maxim:
You don’t hire Charles Harder because your case has legal merit. You hire Charles Harder because it doesn’t.
That’s all for this week, folks!


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One of the reasons the right-wing dislikes Soros is that they say he funds soft-on-crime prosecutors. This site has a detailed list of prosecutors they say have been funded by him: https://capitalresearch.org/article/living-room-pundits-updated-guide-to-soros-district-attorneys/
So, are there other, perhaps non-Jewish, billionaires that are providing that sort of specific funding? If you believe that criminals belong in jail, it is wrong to accuse someone of trying to destroy society if they are dedicated to electing officials who will keep criminals out of jail?
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Please prove that George Soros is “trying to destroy society” by funding so-called “soft on crime” prosecutors specifically so violent criminals can stay out of jail and cause a massive societal upheaval that ultimately results in its destruction. For bonus points, do it without bringing his religion—and any hateful stereotypes thereof—into the mix.
I’ll wait.
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Someone can be trying to destroy society by effect rather than by intention. Forced-birthers think they’re saving babies when they’re really enslaving women (only). Woke gender ideologues think they’re allowing people to be themselves when they’re really promoting the mutilation of children. There’s nothing wrong with opposing the harm that people are causing through their good intentions, and calling out those people for the harm they’re causing.
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You were doing good until you went there, Hyman.
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I’m always going to go there. What can be a better example of folly than this modern-day version of The Emperor’s New Clothes?
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People are whatever gender the fuck they say they are. You’re going to lose your penis privileges if you keep this up, Hyman. A futanari’s going to make far better use of it than you ever will.
Re: Re: Re:4
Eh. It hasn’t been up to much lately anyway.
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Then you should have no problem having it removed and be assigned to put on panties for the rest of eternity.
Your days of being a man are numbered, Hyman. No one will pity you. No one will stand up for you. No one will defend you. This is all you’ll have to look forward to, the same miserable existence your kind foisted upon us for millennia.
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One of the silly things about the left is that they like to declare that their favored downtrodden have a “right to armed resistance” (Palestinians, for example) while forgetting that once you engage in armed resistance you also have to win the battles. They always seem to act as if the other side will just say “OK, then, you win.”
While no one takes your ridiculous blathering seriously, it’s fun to think of what would happen to you if you tried.
Re: Re: Re:7
Goddamn, Hyman, you really do have fantasies about watching people being killed. Do you get off to daydreams about mass shootings at Pride parades?
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I enjoy thinking about dangerous criminals getting what they deserve. I grew up in the Bernie Goetz era. Today’s young folk will grow up in the Daniel Penny era.
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Again: You really do seem to enjoy the idea of watching actual people being killed. And yes, people who commit criminal acts are still people; they don’t turn into literal inhuman monsters by doing so, and unless they’re an immediate threat to someone else’s life, they don’t deserve to die because they committed a crime (or express a political opinion you don’t like in a way you don’t like). You’re still thinking about actual people actually being killed—even if their “crime” is as simple as being a transgender person in a public restroom.
Between that and your obsession with children’s genitals, you need some serious professional help. I suggest you seek it immediately.
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Nah, people using the wrong restroom should just get hauled off to jail on a misdemeanor charge. The criminals who deserve to dies are the ones who physically attack other people or habitually steal from them or damage property. People who have wrong opinions don’t deserve any punishment at all beyond being mocked.
Jordan Neely was one of those people who physically attacked others, so it’s appropriate that he was killed while once again acting in a way that others found threatening.
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Yes, yes, we know—you think trans people should have to risk arrest (or worse) if they want to piss and shit in a public restroom regardless of gender.
Unless a person is threatening the lives of others in a way that requires an immediate and violent response to protect those lives, no person deserves to die for committing a crime. I don’t care if the crime is as penny-ante as stealing a loaf of bread from a grocery store or as gruesome as the mass murder of worshippers in a church: If the (alleged) perpetrator of a crime isn’t threatening further harm to anyone and is able to be taken in alive, they should be taken in alive and placed in jail for however long the law says they should be jailed.
And FYI, Hyman: The commission of a crime, much like being made homeless, doesn’t turn a person into some sort of Lovecraftian monster. They’re still people and they still deserve fair treatment under the law—which means “due process” instead of “summary execution”.
Also also: Don’t take what I’ve said here to mean “I want criminals to be able to be back on the streets minutes after their arrest” or some other bullshit. Someone who breaks the law should face the consequences thereof if they’re caught. Alls I’m saying is that unless there is an immediate and verifiable need to kill someone for the sake of public safety, anyone who breaks the law should be brought in alive and jailed for however long the legal system believes is prudent.
…says the guy who thinks the “practice” of torturing queer people into being cishet is a good thing.
It isn’t appropriate at all. At the time of his death, Neely was only being threatening and wasn’t actually assaulting anyone—a fact that (to my knowledge) has gone uncontested by anyone who was there, including his killer. Neely could’ve been subdued by physical force without being killed. And even if you disagree with how the legal system treated Neely after all his arrests, that disagreement doesn’t mean he deserved to be killed by a stranger on a subway train because he was “acting in a way that others found threatening”.
The only reason you’re on-board with Neely’s death being what cops have probably called a “public service homicide” is because he was homeless, mentally ill, and Black. A not-zero number of Americans consider any of those traits “threatening” in isolation; combine them and you’ll have a person who is seen as The Most Dangerous Man Alive to the kind of people who applaud the killing of Jordan Neely.
Y’know, people like you.
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Cute. You actually think you’d win. Sure, once in a while your filth manages to claw back a small victory like getting Roe v. Wade destroyed. But because trash like you doesn’t get it, let me remind you: you won’t win. Because unlike you we have true love on our side. Men like you, straight white men like you, could collectively all get thrown off a cliff and drown in the ocean and nobody would shed a tear. You’re disposable wastes of space, a collective of dumb muscle and sweat and testosterone that was a mistake of evolution which has somehow commanded more power and influence than your kind deserves.
But those times, they are a-changing. And you actually think you can turn back the clock.
Your delusions will be the death of you, and all of us will be waiting.
Re: Re: Re:8
Baghdad Bob, is that you?
Re: Re: Re:9
No, it’s Hyman doing an “ultra-leftist ultra-queer” schtick as a sockpuppet. (And even if it’s not Hyman, it’s still a right-wing troll doing that schtick.)
Re: Re: Re:10
Keep telling yourself that. If it keeps driving hatred towards right-wing freaks, it means the plan is working.
Re: Re: Re:2 There’s porn that can help with that.
He can’t help the fact that he is obsessed with trans people genitals.
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I think the final nail in gender ideology will come when porn sites start labeling participants according to what they say they are instead of what their bodies are. If you thought that men didn’t like their beer misgendered, just wait.
Re: Re: Re:4 Wait till you find out she’s not even a blonde
WAIT! WAIT WAIT!
You seriously think that that that girl, who still gets carded to buy beer, is really his stepmother?!?
Re: Re: Re:5
Wait until he finds out that the woman in his favorite JOI video isn’t actually talking to him.
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I’m old. The Man From O.R.G.Y. was my thing back in the day. Going to the same used bookshop for many, many years lets the literature grow with you 🙂
Not to mention Israel Bond, Secret Agent Oy-Oy-Seven. The second book, On the Secret Service of His Majesty, the Queen, sounds homophobic for this day and age, but I don’t remember anything about it except for the name.
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And she isn’t really his own sister?!?
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Wait until he finds out that trap porn has existed for decades if not literal centuries. Actually if he ever does figure it out he will probably be all in on that and stop bothering us here.
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He’s still trying to make fetch happen?
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What harm does a trans person living in San Francisco specifically do to you in whatever shit hole state you live in?
Or how about the trans person who lives down the street, whom you’ve never met, nor will ever interact with, what harm are they doing to you?
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Exactly the same harm done by having prayers and teaching creationism in public schools. That is, promoting a false ideology as truth. The trans person in SF or down the block is doing no harm, up to the point where they begin insisting that the rest of the world must accept their delusion of what they are as reality. That trans person should never be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their body disqualifies them, they should not be allowed to teach their ideology as truth in public schools, and they should not be allowed to force anyone else to affirm their beliefs.
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There’s an incredibly simple way to solve this, and the Lower Manhattan Alamo Drafthouse has done so: there are two bathrooms named “Urinals” and “Commodes”, and nobody raises a fuss, because what goes on in the commode or whether someone has to use a urinal is none of our fucking business.
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The conservative obsession with where and how other people piss is genuinely astonishing when you think about it.
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Less astonishing when you realize they want full and total control over every aspect of human life.
It explains the disgusting “fascination” over genitals, their false concern over “child genital mutilation”, them opposing Roe vs Wade, among other things.
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If they really gave a shit about that, they’d be doing more to push for an end to the practice of female genital mutilation in other countries. But they don’t. So they don’t.
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You don’t get to dictate what other people are concerned about. You don’t get to force your priorities on other people. If someone wants to be more concerned about puppy mills than cancer clusters, you don’t get to force them to care about what you care about.
Mutilating children to give them a partial external appearance of a sex they can never be is part of a whole culture of unreality and lies that should be fought against. The mutilation itself is just the tip, where the lies manifest themselves in the most brutal and horrific way.
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Please show me evidence of gender reassignment surgery being performed on a significant number of transgender children in the United States. (Note that I’m talking about direct evidence, not third-hand [and probably bullshit] anecdotes from dipshits like Jesse Singal.)
also goddamn dude you have a fucked-up obsession with children’s genitals and you should probably see a therapist or five about that
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If you don’t think it’s happening, then why are you concerned about laws trying to stop it? Anyway, here’s a NY Times article talking about (and trying to minimize, of course; believe women, as long as they’re saying what you want them to say) young girls who were mutilated and then detransitioned: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/16/us/politics/transgender-care-detransitioners.html
My “obsession” is that a culture of fantasy and lies is being promoted as the truth. Even if that culture did not result in children being mutilated I would oppose it, just as I oppose prayer and creationism in public schools.
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For many reasons not the least of which the laws are thinly disguised homophobia.
You are obsessed with other childrens genitals, you know like a pedophile.
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Please show me evidence of gender reassignment surgery being performed on a significant number of transgender children in the United States. (Note that I’m talking about direct evidence, not third-hand [and probably bullshit] anecdotes from dipshits like Jesse Singal.)
Yeah, the last time I saw someone try to provide a citation for that it did not go their way, with (assuming I’m remembering the numbers correctly) the number of gender reassignment surgeries involving their fetish of the genitals of children being a whopping… 56. Over the course of three years.
Truly a blight upon society that totally justifies their obsession with the genitals of children.
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“You don’t get to force your priorities on other people.”
Kindly please explain the fuck you think you are doing then?
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Oh, he’s not forcing his priorities onto other people.
He’s supporting the ideology of lawmakers who are trying to force his priorities onto other people.
Totally different things there, y’know~.
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I am telling you what I am concerned about.
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Which would be forcing your priorities on other people.
Fucking hell. You’re stupid even for a racist cunt.
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The owner of the site is free to remove any comments he wants to. You are free not to read anything you don’t want to. You are free not to reply to anything you don’t want to. The presence of a written comment does not force itself into anyone who does not want to read it. The views of a commenter do not force themselves on anyone who does not care to adopt them. If you would like a comments section that contains only opinions with which you agree, perhaps you should go elsewhere.
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We’re working on that. We’re fucking sick and tired of straight white freaks like you taking all the damn oxygen in the room.
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You’re so very close to getting it. Better luck next time.
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No one cares for your concern. Your filthy kind enjoyed sharing your concerns for thousands of years and made it worse for everyone else.
You’re going to get fucking weeded out of the gene pool, and good riddance.
Re: Re: Re:6 Full control and a return to the 1850s
Less astonishing when you realize they want full and total control over every aspect of human life.
I thoroughly recommend Teri Kanfield’s post on this:
Rudy Giuliani, Timothy McVeigh, and Sexual Abuse
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There was a time not too long ago I would have agreed with your statement. However, I am no longer astonished by what is coming from the “conservative” camp. The narcissistic detachment being pushed by the right these days is a sad state of affairs. Any real Conservatives have been mostly sidelined and are afraid to stand up for what they believe in anymore. The fact that Trump is still a front runner is very telling. Let’s hope they wake up. Yes, I said it. Let’s hope they become “woke”. For the sake of Democracy over a dictatorship.
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And that’s perfectly fine. You’re going to have difficulty, though, extending that model to locker rooms, sports teams, and prisons: https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/trans-inmate-who-filmed-sex-abuse-of-daughter-housed-in-nj-womens-prison/
Note that my objection is always to people forcing their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them. If the owners and occupants of those spaces don’t object, then neither do I.
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And what should happen if a cisgender woman, regardless of her sexual orientation, enters a single-sex space for women and gets arrested because she isn’t gender-conforming enough for the other women in that space?
That’s the whole problem with you and your anti-queer ilk: You can’t police biology and you can’t police other people’s bodies like they’re your property, so you’re trying to police other people’s appearances and social markers. The whole fight against trans people is a fight against bodily autonomy, but it’s also part of a broader fight against gender nonconformity and the outward expressions thereof. And the ultimate goal of that fight is to leave trans people (and, with any “luck”, queer people) with three options:
Because the whole point of bathroom bills like the one that recently became law in Florida is simple: Everyone has to piss and shit, and since those laws make doing so in a public restroom a genuine threat to the safety and security of trans people regardless of which bathroom they use, the hope is that trans people will stay home to mitigate that risk.
It’s not a stretch to say that queer people in general who exhibit gender-nonconforming appearances could end up targeted in the same way by similar laws. “If a man wearing a dress shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom,” thinks a transphobe, “why should a man wearing a dress be in the men’s restroom?” You’re either ignorant or forgetful of how transphobia is queerphobia with a narrowly tailored focus—all the same tricks and rhetoric used to slander and demean gay people for decades is now being used against trans people. And you better believe that the rhetoric will be turned back around to target queer people in general once the “transgender question” has been “solved”. Refusing to accept that fact would be one more reason I won’t be the least bit sympathetic when you find out that your anti-trans allies also hate (and want to eliminate) gay people.
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She should sue the local government and she and her lawyers should split a hefty settlement. People are only ever the sex of their bodies, and single-sex spaces (should) admit people on the basis of their bodies.
My consideration is for the normal people who want single-sex spaces to allow in only people whose bodies qualify them, because people have social, cultural, and religious taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts. If people are disguising themselves as the opposite sex, then they may indeed have trouble gaining admission to the correct spaces, and they have to be prepared to deal with that. But they have made that their lifestyle choice, and choices come with consequences.
Insuring the safety of public restrooms is the responsibility of their owners. If the owners cannot keep them safe for their users, they should be arrested or sued to correct the situation. Note that it’s more likely that public restrooms are made unsafe by crazed, stinking, drug-addled, dangerous bums rather than gender vigilantes. You increasingly can’t find a Starbucks with a restroom, and it isn’t because men disguised as women wanted to use them.
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Can you pick out the one word in your whole right-wing-workshopped screed that tells me you think being transgender is a choice akin to “what am I eating for breakfast”?
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Can’t figure it out? Here, lemme boldface it for you: It’s “disguising”.
That’s the kind of shit people who think all trans/queer people are pedophiles and sex offenders say: “They’re trying to disguise themselves so they can walk around in public and trans your gender and rape your kids!” It’s a play on the whole “trap” canard, in that being trans is seen as a deception, a ruse, a way to trick unsuspecting cis people into doing things with trans people that they wouldn’t do if the trans person was more…shall we say, “visibly trans”. That’s why you’re now seeing cisgender women being harassed because some nosy busybody who wants to control other people’s lives thinks that shit is a good idea: “Transvestigators” (ugh) are using appearance alone as a test of whether a woman is actually a woman.
But that’s not what trans people are trying to do (not that you give a shit about trans people, but still). Trans people are trying to live an authentic life under the gender they’ve chosen for themselves. Whether you “agree” with their decision or their “ideology” is irrelevant. They deserve to live their life the way they want to live it, and you neither have nor deserve the right to tell trans people that they have to live a certain way (e.g., “you can’t use this bathroom”) for the sake of assuaging your own personal discomfort.
And by the by? It’s 100% okay to question your gender identity even if you’re cisgender and even if you remain cisgender afterwards. It’s neither illegal nor immoral. But the thing you’re gonna wanna remember is, if you know a kid who’s questioning their gender identity and you try to force your ideology onto them even if they end up being cisgender…well, there’s an old saying that fits in here: “The axe forgets, but the tree remembers.”
(Also: Homeless people are people, they don’t become “drug-addled bums” the attosecond they become homeless, and they don’t deserve to be killed or assaulted or whatever other act of actual physical violence you can think to justify only because they’re homeless.)
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People can only ever be the sex of their bodies. If they adorn themselves in ways stereotypical of the other sex, intending that people who see them believe they are of the other sex, then yes, they are disguising themselves.
Many people with social, cultural, and religious taboos about single-sex spaces do not, in general, care what sex other people think they are, only what sex they actually are. The delusional people who want to disguise themselves as the opposite sex are not living “authentic” lives, and in any case, their desires do not trump the wishes of the normal people in the single-sex spaces. But if they want admission to those spaces, they can try asking; there are now plenty of places that will allow them in.
A person can choose how they live their life, but when their choice impacts other people, their choice doesn’t get to override the choices of those people.
People can question their “gender identity” all they want, but there is only one answer; they can only ever be the sex of their bodies, and attempts to change their bodies to fit their imagined identity will result in pain, mutilation, sterilization, and futility. That is reality, and reality does not care about what people think of it.
Crazed, drug-addled, stinking, dangerous bums are not the same thing as people who have become homeless. They are at most a small subset, but they are the visible aspect of homelessness; the “normal” homeless seek shelter with city agencies or with friends and family. The “normal” homeless aren’t the ones ranting and defecating on the street, or the beggars walking through the subway on every single ride. When private businesses try to throw out the crazed, stinking, drug-addled, dangerous bums, they are immediately set upon in media frenzies, and get accused of being racist when the bum is Black. And the result, obvious to everyone but the ideologues, is that businesses close, or get rid of their bathrooms, destroying services for normal people in the name of helping the bums, who are anyway beyond help and just need to be warehoused in a place where they can be protected, and the public protected from them.
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Hey, dipshit: Stop with the thought-terminating copypastas for once and try to have an actual discussion instead. If you can’t do that, then do what Mike and a lot of other people here have continually suggested you do:
STOP HARASSING THIS SITE.
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It’s not my problem that you don’t like what I say or how I say it. My replies to you and others address the content of the comments to which I’m replying. And as I’ve told you before, correcting your consistent errors does not require stating the correction in a different way each time. Furthermore, I do not exude a mind-controlling “respond to me” field. If you don’t want to have this discussion, then stop.
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has never once happened
Re: Re: Re:11 Literally event accusation a confession
“correcting your consistent errors does not require stating the correction in a different way each time. “
Re: Re: Re:11
Our problem is the ‘I will not shut up and leave unless forced’ attitude. You are not being told to change you mind, but rather to shut up and fuck off.
Re: Re: Re:12
Hyman has huge problems with consent, property rights, bodily autonomy, obsessing over children’s genitals, and wanting to force himself into spaces where he’s not welcome.
Are we sure this guy isn’t a Catholic priest?
Re: Re: Re:13
Nah.
He’d get booted from any church for simply being antitheistic.
Which is completely different from being an atheist.
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He probably is, everyone knows that all Catholics are child molesters. Right Stephen?
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Not all Catholics, just a substantial minority of their clergy that has been complacent in covering up systematic abuse for centuries. But you knew that and wouldn’t be playing stupid and going for an “not all Catholics” card because you were being deliberately obtuse. Everyone knows that you aren’t that much of a shitheel.
RIGHT AC?
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The good Catholics prevent the bad Catholics from getting punished. Just like we say good cops protect bad cops therefore they’re all bad cops. It’s a meaningless distinction.
Everyone who believes in an imaginary sky friend is complicit in preventing gays and lesbians from being allowed to live out the fabulous life they deserve. They made us miserable for as long as we can remember. Now we’re fighting back. There’s no stopping the paradigm shift until Hyman is arrested for crimes against humanity and put to death.
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You’re conflating Catholic leaders with Catholics.
My “imaginary sky friend” is a significant reason why I support gays and lesbians living out the life they want and deserve. Many other religions are silent on the issue, and even in Christianity, it wasn’t really persecuted until the 13th century.
Re: Re: Re:14
Not all Catholics are child molesters. But a lot of Catholic priests have molested a lot of children over the past few…well, “decades” would probably be too generous. Try being mad at the horrible people who have done horrible things—and the international institution that provides cover for those horrible people—instead of the people making jokes about the horrible people.
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I’m not mad. Every Catholic needs to be called a child molester until they cave out of shame. It’s time we took back the spotlight from these imaginary friend believers.
Re: Re: Re:16
Hiding the truth won’t stop me from saying it, Hyman.
Re: Re: Re:17
Hyman isn’t hiding you.
Re: Re: Re:13
He acts more like a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.
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Re: Re: Re:11
You are a terrorist whose very existence threatens ours.
If you do not accept a big cock up your ass where it belongs, measures will be taken to protect us.
Re: Re: Re:12
Hyman. We know it’s you bro.
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Re: Re: Re:13
It’s not, but unlike Hyman, I don’t mind it when you blame him. The more fury is stoked against straight white freaks of nature, the more we shift the paradigm until all men who refuse to get pegged are arrested for hate crimes.
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Which you have never done.
No. Instead, you take advantage of the fact that this site virtually never removes comments once posted and has difficulty filtering out comments from ACs by spouting the same nonsense over and over again even though you know you and your opinions on transgender people are not welcome here and you were specifically told not to post that stuff here any more.
Now, while the users may not be required to respond to your stuff, the site owner almost certainly does get some alerts to the posts on the site and so does have to see a fair amount of it. Additionally, many people get email alerts to new comments on threads they commented on, so they do get a bunch of junk alerts about you.
Don’t play coy here. Whether or not you think the anger is warranted, you know exactly what’s going on here, that you will convince no one to agree with your stance, and that you’ve been told to leave. I don’t consider you an asshole for your ignorant claims about transgender people. I consider you an asshole for abusing others’ good-faith policies to continue doing that even where it isn’t topical at all despite being told repeatedly to knock it off and even having your account restricted.
Look, I’ve been willing to have this discussion with you in the past, but at least keep it to where it’s on-topic, and don’t act all surprised at how people take offense to it when you know damn well that that would be the case.
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It’s actually something of a paradox. The site owner choosing to send my signed-in posts to moderation makes it harder for people who want to ignore me to skip over my posts. In other contexts, he recognizes the shortcomings of such an approach. For example, he believes that Netflix preventing password sharing will cost the company money. But his anger at having his views and his supposed dedication to free speech questioned makes him respond in ways that are unproductive.
As for being asked to leave, the site owner still professes to believe in freedom of speech, and does not delete most of my posts. So I stay.
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…hallucinated nobody mentally competent, ever.
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“…I’m going to keep harassing this site and causing hundred-reply pileups in the comments by posting unwarranted and irrelevant anti-queer copypastas despite being told multiple times by the site owner that I’m not welcome here. Also, I don’t know why people say I have issues with respecting boundaries and/or consent.” — Hyman Rosen, probably
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No, you’re still easy to skip over. You’re just harder to automate screening against now.
You’re comparing apples and oranges.
No, it’s his anger over your refusal to behave and stay on-topic—instead choosing to repeatedly bring up your transphobic position regardless of how irrelevant it is to the topic at hand—that is what led him to take such an unusual step towards you.
Which is an abuse of the limited hospitality the site owner shows everyone. The reason your posts don’t get deleted is almost solely because it would render the replies to you difficult to understand.
The fact is that you were kicked off of the site and asked to leave by the site’s owner. You are deliberately choosing to ignore that fact because he hasn’t taken a step to delete posts after the fact and because he literally cannot prevent you from posting anonymously without impacting others in the process.
None of what you said is a refutation of anything I said. If anything, it’s an admission that you will continue to be an asshole for as long as you physically can by knowlingly abusing flaws in technology and good-faith policies here even though you are absolutely acting in bad faith. Don’t pretend you’re not.
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…said no human being, ever.
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How many times do I need to point out that this is not something anyone disagrees with before you stop saying it?
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They’ll never stop saying it no matter how many times you correct them because if they stop beating up on a strawman they might have to put some work into their bigotry.
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Your pointing something out does not make it true. Given that woke gender ideologues want to have children take puberty blockers and get mastectomies and other sex-change surgery, it’s clear that they believe that bodies can be changed to the other sex.
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You keep pressing this bullshit about “woke transes want to fuck up your kids forever” when you have literally no evidence that children younger than 18 who identify as transgender are undergoing gender reassignment surgeries at a significant rate. You keep insisting that gender and sex are the same thing despite the massive amounts of evidence that say gender, not sex, is something beyond mere biological markers. You keep talking about how you plan to harass trans people in public over their identities, which is essentially your attempt at forcing them to accept your gender ideology regardless of their feelings. And above all that, you keep whining about how the torturous and barbaric practice of “conversion ‘therapy’ ” is being banned more and more—i.e., you keep whining that torturing queer people back into the closet (or an open grave) is no longer acceptable.
You are the only “gender ideologue” here, Hyman.
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Well, to use something you yourself said:
Trying to make one’s body correspond more with one’s gender than with one’s sex doesn’t imply belief that bodies can actually be changed to the other sex. You’re argument is invalid as the premise doesn’t support the conclusion. I’ve also pointed this out to you in the past, and you never even tried to rebut it. You just continue to ignore it and repeat the same assertion over and over again that no one actually disputes.
Like, do you think that people who get plastic surgery and tattoos and such to more closely resemble lizards or tigers or whatever genuinely believe they are those animals? Because that generally isn’t the case.
The fact is that you have presented no unrebutted, demonstrable evidence that anyone believes differently about sex being immutable from you, so you are just attacking a strawman by repeating this.
As far as children being subjected to such treatment goes, a) there was absolutely no reason to bring children into this when you could have just mentioned SRS, HRT, mastectomies, etc. that are used to do this more generally other than to make an emotionally charged argument distinct from and ultimately immaterial to the point at issue, b) again, this is quite rare IRL (generally requiring, at a minimum, parental permission and numerous consultations first), and c) such things are condemned by the left if and when they encounter them (particularly if they violate b). At any rate, stick to the point at hand: That that occurs doesn’t help your case at all.
So, again, how many times do I need to explain this to you? No one thinks that the current state of medicine is capable of truly changing the sex of one’s body; only forming an okay-at-best facsimile of the other sex (you’d likely call it a mockery; I don’t particularly care about what charged language you use as it’s irrelevant to my point). Ultimately, the fundamental goal is to give the parts of the brain linked to sex organs something to link up to, making the person feel more comfortable with their body. That it isn’t a “true” change in one’s sex is ultimately besides the point.
Not only that, but you’re conflating two different claims: that sex is exclusively linked to one’s body, and that (at least currently) sex in humans is immutable. Everything discussed till now between this comment and yours has been about the latter, but the statement I’m saying is uncontested is about the former. Given that the human body can and does change, and some animals can and do change sex entirely, that sex is only that of the body says nothing about whether or not sex is immutable in humans. As such, you didn’t even really address the part I was talking about.
Tell me, has anyone ever said that sex, specifically (not “gender” but “sex”, that you consider them synonymous is irrelevant because we’re talking about their claims) is anything other than what the body is? I’m pretty sure that is how most trans activists distinguish between sex and gender: sex is the body, gender is the mind/social role. Even if someone believes sex can be changed in humans, that would not be a dispute of the statement at issue here, making your argument even less relevant than it already was.
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Rare is the trans asshole that actually forces others to accomodate to them.
It’s so fucking rare that when it does happen, it makes news precisely because of how rare said incident happens.
Meanwhile, Nazi filth like you are so prevalent that the news doesn’t do much but say you exist. Regardless of what they believe in.
You are part of the 74 million treason and insurrection supporters. Your atheism fig leaf isn’t fooling anyone.
And, oh, you were so vile your own people gave you the boot.
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It’s telling you linked to the NY Post instead of having any factual sources.
Re: Re: Re:4 A commode is a what?
So I grew up thinking a commode was a washstand, usually with a sink for washing hands, not the toilet, so it was odd seeing your reference to seated flush toilets as commodes.
It turns out everyone’s right
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This part:
The Alamo Drafthouse originated in Austin, Texas, which is in the American South, so it tracks.
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I am asking you to do two things, Hyman:
I know you won’t do it because you’re a troll who gets off on making people angry and expressing your irrational hatred of queer people, but at least consider taking a break from all of that.
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Unfortunately… https://xkcd.com/386/
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“ teach their ideology as truth”
There’s your problem. You mixed up the meaning of the words biology and ideology.
That and you just can’t stop obsessing over the fantasy of trans peoples being nude in an enclosed area with you.
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[Projects facts contrary to all evidence]
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I’ve got a solution for that. No more single-sex spaces. Bathrooms, changing rooms, etc. should all be individual spaces, not group spaces. Problem solved.
It’s possible to be tolerant of something you disagree with, without “affirming,” and still be respectful of other humans.
If I say “Bless you” to someone when they sneeze, I’m not affirming their religious faith. If they sneer at me because I don’t say it, are they trying to force me to affirm their beliefs? Same with “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Hanukah” or whatever, even if I happen to be the most A- of atheists and think that religious belief is as much of a mental illness as you seem to think being transgender is.
If someone is named Josephine, and they prefer to be called “Jo,” would you refuse to refer to them by that identifier because it’s not the name they were assigned at birth? If you’re willing to tolerate “Jo” even if you think nicknames are an abomination, why not also be tolerant when Jo asks to be referred to by “he” as well? The line you draw is arbitrary, and it’s only “right” to you because it’s your line.
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Your suggestion does not solve the situation for sports teams or prisons. Or for locker rooms, really – changing them to sets of single-person stalls or whatever would take vastly more space than they occupy now. Dating services too – should men claiming to be women be allowed to just list themselves as women? That’s going to result in some dissatisfied customers.
Being tolerant of other people is fine. You can be an atheist and still address someone as Sister or Rabbi without compromising your principles. But less so if you are asked to kneel and kiss the Cardinal’s ring. When I say that people must not be forced to affirm lies, I mean just that; people who demand use of pronouns inapplicable to their sex as a way of forcing other people to implicitly affirm their false beliefs about themselves. For example, a college professor had his career placed in jeopardy because he wanted to address his students by name only in order to avoid misgendering them (according to his beliefs about gender, not theirs). Or even the fact that many medical intake forms demand that you answer a “sex assigned at birth” question even though no one is assigned a sex; sex is observed and noted, not assigned. Of course, the current political situation and culture wars have made it hard to separate politeness from affirmation. I would presume politeness as a matter of course, unless the situation is clearly a power struggle between the fantasist and the realist.
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“though no one is assigned a sex”
Literally every single child born in a hospital and most that aren’t, in the developed world is assigned a sex. Ever seen a birth certificate? Fuck no you haven’t because no one in the right mind would let you near a child much less their legal papers.
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You may be as disingenuous as you like, but you will be fooling only yourself and your ilk. Sex is never assigned. It is observed and noted. I know that your kind wants to use 1984 as a manual rather than a warning, but no one else is going to tolerate your distortion of language. “Assigning” sex is meant to convey that the designation is arbitrary and changeable. But it is not. People are only ever the sex of their bodies and that sex is immutable.
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Distinction without a difference.
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Neither sex nor gender are binary, according to anyone who understands the real-world biological facts.
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“It is observed and noted.”
Assign (noun)
attribute something as belonging to
You just got punked by Websters son.
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No, that’s not being disingenuous. That’s what the phrase references, and it is completely accurate.
“Noting” the sex is assigning the sex. It is applying the label of that sex to an individual, which is literally the dictionary definition of “to assign”. You’re not even splitting hairs as there’s literally no difference here.
No. It’s meant to convey that it is identified and recognized by some sort of authority and recorded in legal identification records. It also recognizes the fact that, in the case of some intersex individuals, the designation is, in fact, arbitrary. And it recognizes that some sexual characteristics that might have led to a different designation can be hidden until much later.
No one said anything about it being changeable (though the documentation of it technically is, but that’s a completely separate issue), and that is certainly not what is intended.
See, maybe you shouldn’t assume what the intent is and maybe just consider that maybe there is no hidden meaning.
For the umpteenth time, at least with today’s technology, that is not something anyone—including trans people and their allies—have ever disputed. Drop this tired line of yours already.
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It’s also an idea that has little basis in reality, depending on culture.
The Native Americans definitely knew that people need not be restricted by the biological sex of their bodies and subsequently socially agreed-on gender roles as long as they did those roles.
I’m pretty sure more examples could be found.
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Exactly. White people raped native Americans because they could not accept that all humans are by definition non-binary.
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Something that is assigned to you is given to you by others, and is not a part of yourself. Think homework, or a mission. Your sex is not assigned because it is intrinsic to you. The only thing that an intake form should ask is “sex”. If relevant, it can ask whether the person has had sex-change medicine or surgery.
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Labels are always assigned to you, not a part of yourself. That the labels are meant to be descriptive of something that is part of yourself is irrelevant. You are also assigned a birthdate and birthplace based on the observations of physical reality of when and where you were born.
So yeah, you still continue to make distinctions that don’t actually exist. That sex is intrinsic to us doesn’t change the fact that the label we apply to that sex is still something assigned to us.
Wrong definition of “to assign”. There is more than one, and the one you’re referencing is not the relevant one in this discussion.
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Your delusional false transphpbic beliefs do not mean any problems actually exist for such situations.
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Ron DeSantis and Florida Republicans are doing everything they can to drive trans people out of society and back into a closet (or an open grave). They’re enacting a form of patriarchal Christian nationalism in the state of Florida. They want Republicans in other states to repeat those moves and create a nation that is outwardly and explicitly hostile to the existence of not just transgender people, but all queer people.
Transgender people exist. They will exist without, and never require, your approval. The same goes for all queer people. This war you imagine yourself fighting against trans people isn’t against trans people—it’s a war against any kind of gender nonconformity, no matter how benign. A cisgender woman who dresses “too butch” or looks “too manly” can and will be targeted by law enforcement when the law says gender nonconformity can be against the law in certain contexts. Whether that woman is actually queer doesn’t matter. Whether she’s cisgender is irrelevant. What matters is the message sent to other women, cis or trans: “You can be in public only if you look like society’s image of a ‘real woman’.”
And like the Republican war on women’s reproductive health, the war against trans/queer people is about control over other people’s bodies. Republican lawmakers may paint themselves as upholders of “American values” and “traditional ideals”, but their values and ideals have no space for anyone who doesn’t conform. Conservative culture has no room for queer people because queer people, by their existence alone, don’t conform to a conservative worldview. In the worldview of American conservatives, men are men and women are women, and never shall that gender binary be twisted—and neither shall the roles those genders are “supposed” to play in society. Anyone who threatens to upset this worldview is an enemy of society, even if all they do is exist.
Bigotry and hatred are easy. It doesn’t take much to hate other people—all you need is an excuse. The excuse for transphobia is often about “the safety of women” or “think of the children”. But cisgender women are being targeted by law enforcement for not being conventionally attractive and trans children in Florida—even if they don’t live there!—can be kidnapped from the only parents they’ve ever known. Transphobia and the legalization thereof doesn’t make anyone safer; it only ever makes paranoid queerphobes see everyone as a potential “lawbreaker” and act accordingly.
As I said, bigotry and hatred are easy. What’s hard is what all those anti-queer religious whackjobs say they do: Following the teachings of Jesus Christ. His teachings preached a philosophy of radical love and acceptance, especially of those who would be social outcasts—the “undesirable”, the “other”—and those we would deem our enemies. Failing that, the absolute least anyone could do is learn to tolerate the existence of those types of people and leave them alone unless they actively try to harm others. And in case you haven’t been paying attention, in the United States, the people most likely to harm children aren’t drag queens or trans people—it’s often people who proclaim to be followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Trans people—including children—aren’t the property of Christian extremists, white nationalists, and Republican lawmakers. (Whoops, tautology~!) They’re not harming others by existing; unless their actions harm other people, they shouldn’t be targeted for harassment, legal action, or the kind of violence that right-wing shitheads dream of inflicting on trans people (and their allies). Nobody should have the right to enforce their ideology onto someone, and nobody should have the right to yank away someone’s bodily autonomy—and the healthcare they choose to receive for that body—because some asshole “disagrees” with those decisions. It holds as true for abortion as it does for gender-affirming healthcare and existing as queer. (Or did you forget that the torturous practive of “conversion ‘therapy’ ” is still a thing in which some anti-queer assholes believe?)
Your war against trans people is a war against queer people and against bodily autonomy. A trans person has every right to be trans without your acceptance, your permission, and your wanting to make them be cisgender for the sake of your own personal comfort. A woman has every right to have an abortion if she so chooses. A queer person has every right to express the pride they feel for living and thriving in a society that is actively hostile to their existence. Any attempt to take away those rights is an attempt to deny those people their bodily autonomy—to tell those people that some jackass in Congress gets to decide who is property and who is a person.
Trans people are people. Queer people are people. Your support, implicit or otherwise, for a movement that would deny those two statements is a movement that seeks to eradicate those people. The lives of queer people are in more danger than they have been in years, if not decades. I stand for the right of bodily autonomy—for the right of queer people to exist without having their bodies policed and controlled by lawmakers and queerphobes. All you ever seem to do when you post here is stand against things, Hyman, and that leads me to the One Simple Question that takes aim at the heart of all your bullshit:
What the fuck do you actually stand for?
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❤️👍👏, Stephen!
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The irony in what you said is that it is woke gender ideologues who are doing the most harm to people who are men and women as per their bodies but do not want to conform to social gender stereotypes. It is the woke gender ideologues who are trying to groom effeminate boys into thinking they’re girls and tomboys into thinking they’re boys.
The irony in what you said is that you woke ideologues led the way by criminalizing talk therapy for people who were unhappy with whom they were attracted to sexually.
Trans people and gay people should be allowed to live their lives as they wish, dress as they wish, love as they wish, and provided they are of age or have permission of their parents and can find a willing doctor, have themselves mutilated as they wish.
What trans people should not be allowed to do is to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, teach their ideology as truth in public schools, or force other people to affirm their beliefs.
WHat Florida and other Republicans are doing is evil and anti-freedom when it comes to prohibiting adults or children with permission from getting the treatments they want, and when it comes to removing books from libraries and discussions from schools, provided that the libraries and schools offer the ability to study the many beliefs surrounding sexual issues, not just what some side prefers to be considered the truth. That is why I have not voted for Republicans in many decades, and most likely never again will.
Republicans are immersing themselves in the same self-indulgent overreach that Democrats did when it came to fixing police behavior. Just as “Black lives matter” became “defund the police”, “transwomen are men” became “don’t say gay”. It will result in the same doom.
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Where in ‘let people live as they themselves choose to live and behave’ is there any grooming and coercion. Meanwhile ‘people are only the gender determined by the sex of their bodies and should behave accordingly’ is very coercive.
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The grooming and coercion lies in the fact that psychology and medicine have been captured by gender ideologues, so that believing that you are not the sex of your body can no longer be considered a delusion, and so people with that delusion, including children, cannot be treated to disabuse them of it, but instead are encouraged to “be themselves”. This is abetted by the capture of publishing by the same gender ideologues, who are surrounding children with books and TV shows that treat the gender delusion as normal, with the only impediment to living a satisfying life being the lack of acceptance by the people around them.
Imagine that vaccine denialism had captured medicine and publishing the same way, so that people refusing to get their shots are treated as heroes and doctors are discouraged and ostracized for offering them.
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Here is a list of doctors captured by an ideology and the crimes they were involved in. Are you claiming modern doctors have not learned the lesson, and practice ideological driven medical decisions. or are you so desperate to justify your hatred that you will grasp ant straw that floats by.
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Aww, look—someone’s still pissed about homosexuality no longer being classified as a psychological disorder!
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The fact that homosexuality was once classified as a psychological disorder is evidence enough that psychology is not a science, but rather a political entity subject to the whim of the times. Similarly, the fact that Big Gay was able to criminalize talk therapy for people who were unhappy about whom they were sexually attracted to is further evidence that psychology is beholden to whomever manages to capture the institution.
Imagine a world where a bunch of self-interested people get to vote on how quickly a rock falls when you drop it. That’s the “science” of psychology, and that’s why it’s so laughable when the left calls gender ideology “settled science”.
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“Conversion ‘therapy’ ” isn’t “talk therapy”. It’s a process of psychological (and sometimes physical) torture committed with the intent of breaking down a person’s psychological self as a means to change their sexual orientation—and it’s often done against the will of the person being tortured. Actual therapists with actual therapy practices can still talk to people who are conflicted about their sexual orientation; that has never been illegal. What has been made illegal in certain states is literal anti-queer torture.
Maybe instead of lamenting how a practice endorsed by exactly zero reputable medical organizations is being made illegal, you should read the stories of people who survived it—people like actress Alyson Stoner—and let their first-hand accounts tell you what you should’ve already known had you not let the hatred and bigotry of others infect your mind and define your opinions of queer people for you.
Oh, and FYI: The “success stories” of “conversion ‘therapy’ ” aren’t really “successes”. They’re stories of people who are fighting themselves over who they are and who society thinks they should be. Sexual orientation may not be fully genetic, but it’s not a choice. “Conversion ‘therapy’ ” being a thing doesn’t change that fact. Neither will lamenting over bans that target the discredited, ineffective, and altogether torturous practice.
That’s how I know you don’t really care about queer people, Hyman: If you did, you’d be asking yourself how to make society safer for them instead of wondering why the act of torturing queer people to make them stop being queer is being banned.
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People choose to fight themselves over what they want all the time. People choose to fight addiction, depression, compulsions, paraphilias, procrastination, and a million other things, because human minds can have deep seated desires not readily counterable by their rational conscious parts.
There are people who live in communities that do not accept being gay as a proper lifestyle, and some of those people find more value in staying part of that community than in going along with their desires. It’s not drastically different from people who have to fight urges to commit adultery. YOu don’t get to force people to live the lifestyle that you want for them. People make their own choices.
If conversion therapy doesn’t work, people will stop using it, just as one day sex-change operations for children will become a thing of the past. But making conversion therapy illegal isn’t about protecting gay people, it’s about punishing people who regard being gay as wrong.
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…projects the only one here wanting to force others to live according to their own false beliefs about gender, with zero self-awareness.
…hallucinated nobody mentally competent, ever.
Preventing evil people from torturing the innocent is never “punishment.”
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The fact that you’re comparing those things to sexual orientation—a huge part of someone’s identity and existence that is at least partially rooted in genetics—says a lot about you. None of it is good.
See, there’s another mistake you keep making, Hyman: You think sexual orientation is all about “desires”—i.e., all about sex. But it isn’t, and neither are the desires for love and companionship. Gay people aren’t looking only for a hook-up. They’re also looking for the same kind of love that you appear to believe only straight people are capable (or worthy) of experiencing.
Gay people should have every right to seek love and companionship and long-term relationships than include marriage and children. Bigots want to do everything they can to prevent that because any kind of gender nonconformity—including the idea of two men dating each other or two women raising kids—“upsets the natural order” (in their minds). The same absolutely applies to all queer people. You seem to be the only person here who believes otherwise, or else you wouldn’t be whining so much about how the practice of torturing people into believing they’re cishet is finally being banned.
I’ll skip over that “lifestyle” crack to note that the only person here who wants to force people to live a certain way—and has made no secret of wanting to do that—is you, Hyman.
“Conversion ‘therapy’ ” is ineffective and torturous. That you think the “practice” should still be offered despite the wealth of evidence that it’s ineffective and likely to make its victims at least consider dying by suicide—which, again, is an outcome about which you don’t seem the least bit concerned—says everything anyone needs to know about you.
It’s barely even a thing of the present unless you have actual proof of a widespread phenomenon of children receiving gender reassignment surgeries. (Please note that third-hand anecdotes from known transphobes does not constitute evidence.)
It can be a bit of both, but it’s largely about protecting queer people from being psychologically and physically tortured into believing they’re not queer. “Conversion ‘therapy’ ” is snake oil; anyone who says otherwise is a bigot.
If someone has conflicted feelings over being queer, they can talk to an actual therapist with an actual license to perform actual therapy about those feelings. But that doesn’t involve torturing queer people, so of course you have a problem with that idea.
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And none of that is comparable to being queer. It’s not a “want”; it’s as intrinsic and immutable as sex.
Unfortunately, conversion therapy demonstrably will not help with that. It also does a lot of harm in the process. Those are the facts of the matter. We also don’t allow for therapies that use physical or psychological torture to “cure” autism, even if the patient wants to be “cured” of autism to better fit in with the community. Wanting it differently doesn’t change the facts.
Being gay is not an urge or a lifestyle. No one—gay or not—is being forced to have gay sex or get gay-married. It is also not an urge. It’s just how the brain and body are wired.
And the goal of conversion therapy isn’t to fight urges; it’s to change their attractions to be different from what they are. Anyone who told you otherwise has been lying to you or has been deceived themselves.
Considering people still use homeopathy, electroshock torture (not the same as electroshock therapy, which can be helpful for treating some conditions when done properly), and other treatments known to be wrong for centuries, and people still use chelation therapy to ”cure” autism, I am nowhere near that optimistic. It’s also of little help for any current victims. (The one advantage to homeopathy is that it doesn’t present much risk of harm to patients.)
On top of that, it expects all patients to become experts (which is absurd; that’s why we have doctors in the first place), and it also assumes that all gay patients who went through conversion therapy personally and voluntarily consented, which is demonstrably false.
I’m not convinced it’s truly a thing of the present. To the extent it is, I fully expect that the number will never become zero.
It also protects children whose parents wrongly think they are gay.
I mean, no, no it doesn’t. Merely regarding being gay as wrong doesn’t usually involve conversion therapy. You’re conflating thought and action again.
Really, it just prevents people from forcing that notion on patients by torturing them.
Re: Re: Re:7 Even you know your full of shit
“Big Gay” can’t even decide on the colour of the rug hun, much less run a multinational conspiracy.
Just who are these people.? Give us a list, right now. Who are these people more powerful than the US governments heath and human services and the AMA?
Go on. Where the list?
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“people who were unhappy about whom they were sexually attracted to”
This is 100% the root from which all your other problems stem from.
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By that logic, the fact that the universe was once regarded as infinitely old is evidence that cosmology is not a science, the fact that the Earth was once thought to be both younger and older than its actual age at various points is evidence that geology is not a science, the fact that our understanding of gravity has changed and that lightning was once thought to be a completely different phenomenon from electricity is evidence that physics is not a science, the fact that spontaneous generation was once thought to be true is evidence that biology is not science, the fact that bloodletting was once used to treat a lot more diseases than diseases that actually stem from excess blood is evidence that medicine is not a science, and so on.
The fact of the matter is that our understanding of everything has changed over time as new things are discovered. That’s how science works. We learn new things, so our scientific understanding changes to better conform to the new evidence.
“Big Gay” is not a thing. And the actual reason conversion therapy was banned is that it demonstrably does not work and causes significant demonstrable harm, including suicide.
And again, conversion therapy is not “talk therapy”.
No, no it isn’t. Specifically, the “self-interested” part is false.
Now, it is technically true that scientists do “vote” on how quickly a rock falls when you drop it, in that scientists come to a consensus on what the evidence shows. That’s what happens in psychology: psychologists come to a consensus on what the evidence shows to be mental disorders or not.
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Funny, Hyman…
I seem to remember that one of the big criticisms levelled at the DSMV was that it was captured, not by ideologues, but by INSURANCE COMPANIES AND CHINA.
And those criticisms were funding-related.
So, Hyman, are you part of China’s harassment army or an pro-insurance troll?
Re: Re: Re:5 You’re so close buddy
“Imagine that vaccine denialism had captured medicine and publishing the same way, so that people refusing to get their shots are treated as heroes and doctors are discouraged and ostracized for offering them.”
Or that in this case you are the vaccine denying idiot we are all pointing and laugh at because you don’t understand basic human biology.
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It is your kind who are trying to convince people who are men and women according to their bodies, but do not behave in gender-stereotypical ways, that they are not real men and women, but rather of the other sex.
It is your kind who criminalized talk therapy for people who are unhappy with whom they find sexually attractive.
Just as Democrats ruinously overreached by turning “Black lives matter” into “defund the police”, so Republicans are overreaching with their evil policies prohibiting adults (and children with the consent of their parents) from obtaining sex-change medication and surgery, and prohibiting schools and libraries from discussing the various social beliefs and practices about gender, sexuality, and sex. I don’t vote for Republicans, and this hatred they have for freedom (including abortion, of course) is why.
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Gender is a social construct. If it weren’t, it wouldn’t need so many people trying to actively enforce it—sometimes with violence. You might be able to define a biological female with biological terminology, but trying to define what makes someone a woman is going to be fraught with explorations of gender stereotypes that have been crafted by centuries of patriarchal thinking, inherently subjective standards of beauty, and internalized queerphobia of all kinds.
And as for that “talk therapy” bit, I have three things to say:
And you say you don’t vote Republican, but I don’t believe you. You support their transphobia by espousing your own. Even if you don’t agree with the methods, you’re more than happy to see the results because you and they want the same results: trans people forced out of society for good. You might fool some dipshit centrist needledick who doesn’t think too hard about queer issues. You might even fool a leftist or two who share in your transphobic beliefs. But you’re not fooling me with your “I’m NoT a RePuBlIcAn!!1!” schtick because you’re not that clever and I’m not that stupid.
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Gender is identical to sex. A woman is an “adult human female”. There is no need or possibility to “enforce gender” because gender is an immutable fact of the body possessing it.
You are confusing gender with gender roles and gender stereotypes. Some people want to enforce those. These people are evil, and should be stopped. Any person, man or woman, should be free to dress, behave, work, love, and live in any way they want, without regard to what sex they are and without having to obey cultural expectations for how someone of their sex should be. What they cannot do is force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, because there are people who have social, cultural, and religious taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts.
As per the New York Times Magazine issue on therapy this past Sunday, there is literally no consensus on whether therapy works, what techniques work, or pretty much anything beyond “sometimes talking to people helps” and “sometimes taking drugs helps”.
Criminalizing conversion therapy is a way for the ideologues to punish people who don’t want to be gay, to tell those people that they’re bad for wanting to conform to the expected mores of their community, and to force them to come out as gay. It is easily seen as ideological, because no one would try to ban similar therapies that purported to address addiction, adultery, anorexia, or pedophilia.
Given that there have been tons of closeted gay people who have married and raised families, it is entirely plausible that there are people for whom remaining part of a close-knit community that does not accept gayness within it will be a stronger draw than expressing the love that now shouts its name from the rooftops, and that conversion therapy will help them adopt this lifestyle, whether the out gay community likes it or not. Given the purpose of conversion therapy, it will be the case that its failures become public while its successes are hidden, so we do not actually know how well it works. Just like other therapies.
Oh, and yes, you really are that stupid, in all sorts of ways. I don’t vote for Republicans, and I referred to Trump for the entirety of his presidency as the POFMIC (piece-of-filth moron-in-chief). I do not need your belief, and I could not care less whether you supply it.
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No, it isn’t. Gender is a social construct that is informed by outward appearances, including (but not limited to) the way we perceive certain kinds of clothing. A dress is “women’s clothing” even though it can never be anything more than an inert piece of cloth with no inherent biological sex or standalone gender identity. To queerphobes, a man who wears a dress is instantly and forevermore a pervert/freak/child molester only because he’s wearing a piece of cloth that we perceive as “gendered”.
If gender were identical to sex and you could tell just by looking at someone that they’re trying to “trick” others into believing their gender isn’t their sex, cis women wouldn’t be getting harassed because they don’t look like cis women to a queerphobic asshole. And yet, here we are, with video proof that such a thing is actually happening.
Gender roles and stereotypes are part and parcel of gender as a social construct. Again, look at dresses: We think of an inert piece of cloth as “female” because of gender roles and stereotypes we’ve grown up with our whole lives. You can claim gender isn’t a social construct, but bringing up gender roles and stereotypes automatically proves you wrong: If gender and sex were the exact same thing, gender wouldn’t need so much policing from hateful nosy-ass busybodies like you and your anti-queer allies.
I posit that someone who feels like they “don’t want to be gay” feels that way because of the pressures of a society that is actively hostile towards queer people. That someone may not want to be gay because they’re afraid of being kicked out of (or being kicked to death by) their family. It’s internalized homophobia created by social pressures from family, friends, and communities that think of queerness as an intrinsic and inherent evil. “Conversion ‘therapy’ ” actively tries to torture queer people—psychologically and often physically—into not being queer, to the point where “success” is measured in whether the “therapy” reduces the number of queer people in the world. Whether that means a “successful” conversion or a suicide is irrelevant to those who still offer this “therapy” as a service.
Maybe if society was more accepting of queer people, the kind of people you’re talking about might not feel like their only choices in life are hiding who they are, torturing themselves into being “normal”, or killing themselves. Your anti-queer rhetoric isn’t helping there, and I suspect that you’re okay with either one of those three decisions because it would mean fewer openly queer people in the world.
Two things.
No, the “success stories” are pretty well publicised by those who support “conversion ‘therapy’ ”. The failures—including the ones who once claimed to be “success stories”, of which there are many—rarely get any public traction unless they come forward with their stories on social media and happen to go viral. And the failures who were driven to suicide are never publicised.
And yet, you support their anti-queer ideologies by repeating their bullshit here in the form of thought-terminating copypastas that are meant to shut off discussion rather than further it. Curious. 🤨
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It’s not contempt for gay people, it’s at most contempt for gay ideologues who are as insistent that people who may be gay but don’t want to be must come out as others who demand that gay people stay closeted and celibate. It’s also just a fun joke.
Religion tends to have all sorts of restrictions on behavior, not just on sexual behavior. Religious people truly believe, with full sincerity, that their gods want them to follow those restrictions, and the fact that they may have desires that would lead them to violate those restrictions doesn’t mean that they believe that they should give in to them.
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Most queer people understand that people who may be queer but can’t/don’t want to come out for obvious reasons—e.g., putting their lives at risk of being ended—shouldn’t be forced to come out. You might find a few queer people here and there who think otherwise, but they’re assholes for thinking so and can be safely ignored.
I don’t see how the safety and well-being of queer people in an actively-hostile-to-queer-people society is a joke, but you do you.
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Explaining a joke kills a joke, but sure, I’ll do it anyway.
You see, Lord Alfred Douglas, writing a poem called “Two Loves” in 1892, refers to “the love that dare not speak its name”, which is generally understood to be romantic love between men. Now a long time has passed, and romantic love between men is, in many places, no longer something to be concealed, but rather celebrated openly. So rather than this love not speaking its name, I joked that this love now shouts its name from the rooftops, a metaphor for being out and proud.
Get it? Are you chuckling now?
As for not wanting to come out out of fear, I see that as usual, you have missed the point. There are people who very sincerely believe that being gay, or acting on gay desires, is morally wrong for themselves, because they believe that their god has told them so. They know that their community rejects such behavior, and they themselves believe that such rejection is correct, in the same way that a married person tempted or succumbed to infidelity can still believe that such behavior is sinful. Some of those people may seek out treatment that will help them live a life that their community and they themselves approve of.
But you hate that. You want to destroy the communities that believe such things, and you find it dangerous to think that people may actually be able to suppress their same-sex attraction and redirect it towards heterosexual marriage, because it threatens your belief that being gay is intrinsic and immutable (unlike sex, which is bitterly ironic).
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But not a happy marriage.
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You don’t get to define happiness for other people. It is possible for people to be happy with their spouses, children, and community even when their sex lives are not everything they might wish. That’s true even for straight couples. Believe it or not, there are people who find happiness in believing that they are obeying the will of their gods, even when their lives don’t match some ideal notion that others might have for them. I think there was even a musical expounding that proposition.
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Neither do you—but you’re sure as hell trying, at least as it concerns the lives of trans people.
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Women married to men are nothing more than meat slaves and wombs with legs, because men are incapable of fulfilling the emotional needs of women. Only another woman is capable of loving another women, which is why children brought up by same-sex couples are inherently happier and superior to those who are not. Countless studies have proven this, but straight men insist on suppressing this information because like the movement that swept Hollywood, they know their time is up.
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Your “ultra-queer ultra-leftist” sockpuppetry is getting worse, Hyman.
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As long as it drives women away from nasty, filthy, disgusting straight men, I have very little issue with what you call me or who you think I am.
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No. Besides, you explaining your “joke” makes it worse because of your expressed support for turning the existence of queer people into something that shouldn’t be spoken of in public.
No, I haven’t. The people who internalize queerphobia to the point where they fear coming out as queer have done so because of pressure from their segment of society to be “normal”. This is done by people with authority in society drilling into someone’s head the idea that being queer is a moral failing rather than a state of being—that being queer is a choice.
But being queer is only “abnormal” in relation to being cisgender/heterosexual. To a queer person, being queer should feel “normal” because that’s who they are. It would only feel “wrong” if that queer person internalizes the queerphobia they’ve grown up hearing from all the adults in their life.
They shouldn’t have to have someone else torture them for the sake of trying to act “normal”. “Conversion ‘therapy’ ” has no backing from any well-respected medical group and no real track record of provably and permanently changing anyone’s sexual orientation or gender identity for the rest of a given person’s natural-born life. It’s snake oil designed to psychologically break down and abuse someone into believing they can be something they’re not.
Again: If someone has conflicted feelings about their sexual identity, that’s fine, but they should be seeing actual therapists instead of letting a group of religious whackjobs yell at them over and over and over about how they’re sinful, broken, unloved pieces of shit for being queer (and possibly use physical abuse to reinforce those messages).
I want communities that believe queer people should only ever suffer abuse and hatred to leave queer people alone. What they do after that is none of my concern.
The idea that “conversion ‘therapy’ ” works relies on the idea that someone can forever suppress part of who they are to be something they’re not. But no one can do that, not even to receive the love of a parent whose love is conditional on the notion that their child not be queer. Forcing that idea on a person is psychological torture. That a lot of “conversion ‘therapy’ ” survivors mention that they had suicidal ideations during and well after their “therapy” experiences should come as a surprise only to a sociopath who is incapable of empathizing with others—i.e., you.
Sometimes people get it wrong about their sexual orientation or gender identity. Sometimes their identity changes over time. The point here is that even if being queer isn’t intrinsic and immutable (which, hey, it may not be!), people who think they might be queer deserve the space, freedom, and safety to question their identity without being tortured into believing they’re worthless subhuman trash (or being killed). And if they figure out that they’re not as queer as they thought, they deserve to receive precisely zero shit for that outcome. Being queer and being not-queer isn’t some strict-ass binary moral divide where one side is inherently virtuous and the other is inherently evil. People who believe it is—on both “sides” of the equation—are not worth anyone’s time or attention.
You obviously despise the existence of transgender people; trying to claim otherwise runs contrary to your posting history and every anti-trans view you’ve ever expressed. But aside from advocating for torturing trans people into believing they’re cis, you’ve never once offered any sort of solution for the problems trans people face—including the kind of rampant transphobia (and the violence it generates) that you espouse on a regular basis. You’ve never offered any sign of remorse over the idea that you are actively contributing to the hostile anti-trans culture you want us to believe you don’t support. If you really want us to think you have the best interests of queer people in mind, you probably shouldn’t act so upset about people like me decrying the scam that is “conversion ‘therapy’ ”—and the religious whackjobs who think that literally torturing queer people into compliance (or suicde) is an act of love and mercy.
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It’s not abnormal to want to eat bacon cheeseburgers, but at least three major religions would regard it as a sin to do so. The people who believe in gods believe that their gods make people imperfect, and nevertheless those people should try to obey the will of the gods as best they can – including themselves and their own imperfections.
You may not like that some people consider their own queer desires, or other sexual desires, as leading to sin, but you don’t get to control their lives.
Trans people are suffering from mental illness if they believe that they are a sex other than that of their body, or that they cannot live in the only body they will ever have without drastically altering it. They need to get the same sort of therapy given to people with other delusional beliefs, to help them understand and accommodate themselves to physical reality. But if they want to dress and otherwise disguise themselves as the other sex, they should be allowed to do that. If they want to take medicine or get surgery to make the disguise more thorough, they should be allowed to do that too if they are of age or have permission from parents, and have a doctor willing to malpractice that way.
As always, they should not be allowed to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, they should not be allowed to teach their ideology as truth in public schools, and they should not be allowed to force other people to affirm their beliefs.
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And exactly none of those religions should have the right to control whether someone who isn’t part of those religions can do something those religions consider “sinful”.
You likely misunderstand why I dislike that sort of bullshit.
It isn’t because I want the number of queer people to go up in the world. It’s because a person should have the right to be who they are—to be gay or straight or bi or asexual, to be cis or trans or nonbinary—without someone shaming them for who they are. If someone wants to argue that cisgender heterosexuality is “natural”, they can’t turn around and argue that someone who isn’t cishet is “unnatural” unless they’re prepared to argue (and prove) that sexual orientation and gender identity are choices like “what shirt do I wear” or “what do I eat for lunch”.
To call a queer person “sinful” because they’re queer is to insinuate that being queer is somehow harmful to other people. But being queer is no more or less harmful than being cishet—because actions, not identity, are what harm other people.
The funny thing about this shit you’re spewing, Hyman? For all your talk about your distaste for religion, you’re literally mirroring their anti-queer bullshit to bolster your own. You’re little better than the fundamentalist whackjobs who say shit like “lesbians were responsible for 9/11”.
And yet, your entire argument has been that they should be harassed in public forever if they actually do that. Your whole schtick has been about denigrating trans people for daring to break out of the gender binary in a way that makes you uncomfortable. To want to sound like you actually have any trans person’s best interests in mind is a “disguise” of your own—only yours is a disguise of your anti-trans beliefs in much the same way Christians say their anti-queer bullshit (including support for “conversion ‘therapy’ ”) is a form of “showing love”.
Congratulations, Hyman Rosen: You’re a religious fundamentalist.
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Speak for yourself.
We’re sick and tired of straight men having a monopoly on the women for millennia while claiming that their anal tracts are off limits.
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You can shut up and leave.
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No, I don’t think I will. I think I’ll do what Stephen T Stone and you and the guy from Singapore who wants to marry his boyfriend do: make fun of the straight white idiots until they throw themselves off a building.
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And all three cases the religious authorities had good reason to get people not to eat pork, as it was dangerous for humans due to the disease being carries by pigs also being capable of infecting people. Also, when those rules, along with other dietary rules entered religion, the priests were also the store of tribal knowledge, as they were also the keepers of the records.
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That is the result of a form of coercion by religious leaders who are the one who tell them what Gods commands are.
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Oddly enough, very few of us are raised without the “coercion” of being told how to behave and instruction on what is right and what is wrong.
Even in free societies, choosing to live as part of a community means abiding by the mores of that community, and most often, people choose to be part of a community because they accept and like those mores.
Your dislike of the belief of some community does not carry any weight with the people who like it.
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The funny thing is, this is why Pride exists: Queer people have a need to celebrate being alive—and thriving—in a society that is still violently hostile towards queer people. (To wit: Look at how a few whackjobs obsessed with queer people are trying to make Pride an unprofitable “poison pill” by threatening on-the-ground staff for corporations like Target.)
When “the mores of [a] community” posit that certain people are worth abusing, mistreating, and shunning—or even worth killing!—only because of who they are, maybe that community needs to reëxamine its mores rather than start looking for people to victimize. Then again, you seem like the kind of person who thinks parents kicking one of their under-18 kids out of the house for being gay is an unquestionably good thing.
How much do you agonize over the queer people who have no choice in whether to follow those mores when “disobeyance” might result in consequences such as homelessness, physical assault, or even death?
Wait, never mind. Of course you don’t actually give a fuck about them. You’re someone who believes in torturing queer people to turn them cishet for the sake of “respecting social mores”.
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It’s telling how well their mindset would fit right in with WW2-era germany…
‘Look, they choose to be jewish/romani/gay rather than conform to the social mores, it’s their fault for anything that happens after that and if that means being publicly ostracized, people refusing to serve or associate with them and right minded civic leaders working to find a solution to fix them then that’s on them.’
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Why do you think the left was so furious at The Babylon Bee for giving Dr. Rachel Levine a “Man of the Year” award?
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Because of the hallucinogens you ingest (right-wing media) that make you see such fantasies.
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It intentionally misgendered a trans woman and arguably put her at risk of facing anti-trans violence from right-wing dipshits, and it did so for the sake of a joke rooted in the artificial outrage that a trans person could ever be anything except a joke or a victim of (justified-by-right-wingers) violence.
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They were furious because Dr. Rachel Levine is obviously a man, easily seen by anyone looking without woke blinders on.
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That literally had nothing to do with it except why Babylon Bee chose her in particular. As far as “woke” people were concerned, her appearance was entirely irrelevant.
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“Gender is identical to sex.”
Then why would we have two different words with more than two different meanings? You know you’re wrong and just keep digging in your high heels hoping we will give up before you do. I suspect what passes for your sex life is much the same but involves less consent and more smeared lipstick.
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It’s almost as if language develops organically, with words coming from many sources.
Re: Re: Re:7 Words mean things other than what you want them too
It’s almost like you’re full of shit and got called out on it.
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No excuse for your illiteracy, Hyman.
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That’s a whole lot of words to say both sides are bad so vote Republican.
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Both sides are bad so vote Democrat. Both sides will take your money, but Republicans will also take your freedom. I haven’t voted for a Republican since Reagan’s second term.
Re: Re: Re:2 Or possibly....
I’ll take a disagreement with that, if you please.
Experience tells me that the real reason Republicans in general (but not all of them) are so upset is that they are afraid that a “queer” person will attempt to get them into a bed. Such fear is psychologically known as ‘fear of peer pressure’, and it comes out as something similar to: “I’m a real man, and if I let this queer even think of being polite to me, my fellow men will think I’ve turned queer, and that’ll be the end of me.”. IOW, it violates all precepts of the He-Man stereotype, and that’s simply not a notion LGBTQ-haters can even formulate, let alone think about and then accept it as part of their personal make-up.
A.D. has it correct, as do other speakers here – if you treat them as you want to be treated, they’ll at least respect your wishes and leave you alone, or in some cases, they might surprise you and become a good friend (the kind that will help you bury the bodies!). It’s happened to me several times over my lifespan, all because I didn’t grow up in fear of something different, or something strange.
Hyman, if you’re truly afraid that you’ll be kicked out of the Good Ol’ Boys Club for having the gall to not kick a queer in the crotch, then I suggest that you seek counseling, preferably the professional kind, and not the usual YouTube variety of snake-oil salesmen. Also, your mean streak of “attack before they come near me” deserves a few sessions of therapy with that specific focus. Here’s hoping that you come out of it a better person.
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I daresay that both your theory and mine could be true simultaneously: Attempts to control the bodies of others by policing how they look and dress can be borne from anti-queer fears in both “oh god I can’t let them think I’m queer” and “men wearing dresses upsets the natural order” varieties. It’s a mixture of supremacist beliefs and patriarchal thinking, both of which can be found in spades within conservative circles.
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“Treat them as they want to be treated” is rather like the “self-esteem” culture that has taken hold of the educational system; you are asking that people be given participation trophies. People are only ever the sex of their bodies. If they want to be treated as a person of the opposite sex (which means, to be admitted to single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, or to be accepted as sexual or romantic partners by people who have a preference for the sex they are pretending to be), then they are asking, or demanding, that the people around them participate in a lie. Some people are eager to do that; others never will.
You remind me of religious people who accuse atheists of hating gods, because they are incapable, literally or willfully, of understanding that atheists do not believe that gods exist. People are only ever the sex of their bodies. You refuse to understand that this is the literal belief, so you make up weird psychological diagnoses about fear of getting into bed with people of the wrong sex or other such claptrap, because it is, in fact, a way for you to reject the obvious reality brought to you by your own senses. Men can only ever be men. Women can only ever be women. No one is “gender-queer”. No one is “non-binary”. (Barring the few people with physical development anomalies; I’ll be seeing the Intersex movie when it comes out, not that I have much hope for any rationality from it based on the previews.)
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Please indicate what human genetic structure forbids men from wearing dresses.
We’re all just people. Some have reproductive part A, some have reproductive part B. That you ascribe anything more to human biology than that is a product of your beliefs. It has nothing to do with nature.
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So a man putting on a dress makes his penis fall off and he suddenly grows a uterus and can bear children?
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
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No. A person wearing a dress is nothing more or less than a person wearing a dress.
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Evolution will find a way so that we can adapt to the changes brought on by a future world, a future world which your kind have ruined for thousands of years.
Male pregnancy already exists, and its mainstream deployment cannot come soon enough so you can finally be put in your place.
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So a man, born with a penis, has somehow grown a uterus and now is pregnant?
Such a breakthrough would be the top news worldwide for months or years, yet searching for it yields no results.
Or are you talking about a woman, born with a uterus, pretends to be a man and gets pregnant?
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The idea already exists and has been floated as early as the mid-90s. Likely even earlier. The anal cavity of a man can easily function as a womb with the amount of circulation where a placenta can be implemented.
You’re just too blinded by stereotypes to appreciate the fabulous applications.
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Hyman we know it’s you…
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Hyman is not nearly fabulous enough to openly spout yaoi fujoshi fantasies.
But he’ll be put in his place soon. The black new world order is coming, coming for his ass.
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You can stop the “ultra-queer ultra-leftist” sockpuppetry schtick, Hyman.
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Um, double anal vore futomaki on you?
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I’m going to make fun of Hyman until he gets arrested as a terrorist.
If you want me to stop, in your own words – “you’ll just have to kill me”.
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You know what the best part is?
If you agree with me, we get angry at Hyman.
If you disagree with me, we get angry at Hyman.
It’s win-win.
Happy fucking Pride Month.
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The difference is that Hyman looks better by comparison, and people spend less time getting angry at him than they otherwise would.
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Nah, nobody could possibly look worse than Hyman.
I’ve seen people here claim they’d literally kill themselves than agree with Hyman.
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I don’t understand. Why do you think men are forbidden from wearing dresses? People should wear whatever clothing suits their sense of style and propriety. Having gone to Jewish parochial schools and sent my son to the same, I hate dress codes with a passion.
Re: Re: Re:4 women can only be women
Duh. Trans women are women.
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…said everybody mentally competent, always.
Re: Re: Re:4 Literally no one asked bro
“or to be accepted as sexual or romantic partners by people who have a preference for the sex they are pretending to be”
Found your kink
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Not a surprise. Straight men like Hyman are always closet child fiddlers. They try to deny their nature but the truth always comes to light.
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People having a preference for sexual partners of one sex is a “kink” shared by pretty much all of humanity.
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“I’ll be seeing the Intersex movie when it comes out,not that I have much hope for any rationality from it”
I tend not to expect too much rational though from my porn either. As long as the pizza guy gets to put the tip in I don’t sweat the logistics of why he’s oiled up or is wearing tear-away pants.
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It’s liberalism porn. The tag line is “Celebrating the I in LGBTQIA+” or some such. It’s about people complaining that they were born intersex and then were given surgery as babies or children to fix them.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt23180428/
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This from the dumbfuck who thinks real porn has to be a documentary…
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And this is a problem why?
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It becomes untrustworthy. It’s not unlike the “intactivists” who campaign against male circumcision and claim that their lives were ruined by the procedure. I expect that there are lots of born-intersex people who are fine with whatever was done to fix them up, and the squeaky wheels who show up in this movie are weird outliers. That’s the vibe I’m getting from the previews, anyway.
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Different people have different experiences and different opinions. Nothing about the film is meant to suggest that no one is fine with what was done to them. The idea is that such things should not be performed on someone without their prior knowledge and willing assent because not everyone is fine with it. The argument is that one case is still too many for a purely optional procedure that doesn’t affect the health of anyone other than the patient.
So, again, I don’t see any problem here. It’s not untrustworthy because your objection is irrelevant to the argument itself. It’s not dishonest to not reference details that would not affect the argument in the first place.
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Damn son your opinions are so popular that you can’t even use your shitty made up name.
Also there’s a sizeable donation to trans youth thanks to you. Keep it up bro!
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So is your dogwhistling for the Republican Party, Hyman.
Your Reddit-level intelligence, if whatever the fuck that is in your head can even be called that, is naught but a fig leaf to cover up your unflinching adherence to an ideology that started WW2, and refuses to die no matter how many times we keep shooting at it.
A lesson you refused to learn, despite having parents that survived said ideology.
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The ideology to which I adhere is that reality simply is, regardless of what people hope, wish, or believe.
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_copybook.htm
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That’s not an ideology—that’s an out-of-context quote from a Kipling poem.
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No, that’s an apropos quote from a Kipling poem.
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Which still isn’t an ideology, even if you are suffering long term brain damage.
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It really is, though. The Gods of the Copybook Headings is all about how people delude themselves with wishful thinking, but reality refuses to accommodate their beliefs, and the result of believing in lies is that reality destroys the people who believe them. That’s a fundamentally sound ideology to adhere to.
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Oh, look, the guy who implicitly supports Republicans trying to push trans people into either the closet or the grave is suddenly concerned about saving the lives of trans people!
…granted, the “saving” would be on his terms, which means trans people wouldn’t be able to exist as trans people, so chances are they’ll end up killing themselves, but still—he’s showing actual concern!
…and granted, he’ll never show a single ounce of remorse or commit an act introspection if his rhetoric actually does push a trans person into committing suicide, but still—he wants you to know he cares!
…although he’ll deny being the kind of person who wants trans people to kill themselves despite espousing the same rhetoric as people who do want trans people to die (one way or another), **but still*—he…he…
…oh, who am I kidding, this motherfucker doesn’t care about trans people at all unless they’re willing to defuse his discomfort with gender nonconformity by being something they don’t want to be (cisgender or dead).
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Just as religion is false, gender ideology is false. Just as religious people may live their lives as it suits them, trans people may live their lives as it suits them. Just as religious people may not force their false beliefs and observances on others, so trans people may not force their false beliefs on others.
Your attempts at emotional blackmail are useless. It’s not surprising that people with delusional beliefs about their bodies may be driven to kill themselves, but the solution is to give them treatment to help them live in the only bodies they will ever have, not to force everyone else into affirming their delusions. Which wouldn’t help anyway, because you cannot force physical reality to affirm delusions.
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Likewise, one can’t force someone to change their beliefs.
I, personally, believe there’s only one way to deal with such ideological footsoldiers: killing them.
So, Hyman, personally, I believe you SHOULD be shot dead.
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That’s fine. I believe similar things about rioters, looters, and arsonists who refuse to stop their crimes and surrender to authorities.
The only actual form of government is the use of force. When the government has a force monopoly, it may choose to voluntarily restrict itself from using force in all cases, but such voluntary restriction need not be rational or consistent. That’s how we could have a nation founded on the principle that all men are created equal that had slavery at the same time.
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Hyman needs to be shot dead, well said. Straight men like him are nothing more than parasites on this planet who deserve neither encouragement nor sympathy, not for all the pain and suffering they’ve inflicted on everyone else.
Until they are treated like the terrorists they are, we cannot be progressive as a species.
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Shut up.
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No.
Sexual minorities cannot afford to stay silent any longer.
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Stop pretending that you speak on behalf of sexual minorities.
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I literally cannot “stop pretending” when I never pretended to start with.
I was born this way, and I’m on the right track baby.
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Why? I responded in support of a comment that said Hyman should be shot dead. Clearly you think so, too.
Don’t resist the urge. You can’t hold back the fabulous. We got gay marriage approved. More will come. You can either pick up a pride flag or a pick up a sign outing you as a homophobe.
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Exactly.
No, I don’t. I don’t believe the death penalty is acceptable at all.
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Perhaps, but between letting Hyman kill me, or being allowed to have another man’s cock deep in my ass, I know what scenario I’d rather pick.
Hyman might die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
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Trans people aren’t intrinsically driven to commit suicide because they’re trans, you goddamned sociopath. They’re driven to commit suicide by a society that actively hates and demeans trans people—to the point where laws that effectively criminalize their public existence are being passed in state legislatures. If you were the target of an ongoing and persistent campaign of hatred and violence carried out by people with significant amounts of money and power—all with the intent of driving you out of public life (and possibly into a grave) because of who you are—you’d probably be suicidal, too.
Also:
That’s what gender-affirming healthcare is, you fucking ass: It’s treatment that allows trans people to feel comfortable in their bodies regardless of your feelings on the matter. Your proposal for such treatment probably goes like this: “We have to psychologically torture trans people into believing they’re cisgender so I’ll be comfortable with their existence”.
You don’t have to “affirm” a goddamn thing about an individual trans person’s existence. You don’t have to believe a trans woman is a woman if you don’t want to. But your entire screed since you’ve started posting here has effectively been “trans people should live like I want them to live for the sake of my discomfort in thinking about gender identity beyond the binary I was raised to believe in”. Trans people aren’t trying to force you to believe in “woke gender ideology”. But you’re trying to force trans people to live by your gender ideology regardless of what that does to them.
I wish for a lot of things: a hefty bank account, a night with a beautiful woman, a second season of Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken. But right now? I wish you had a heart that told you something other than “trans people suffering and dying is a good thing so long as they stay out of the public sphere”.
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You gotta realize, what he’s really flailing about in anger over is a difference in culture. It’s only about transgenderism insofar as his culture says transgenderism is a delusion. There are plenty of other cultures on the planet that have no issue at all with multiple, trans, or non-binary genders.
But since a societal change that accepts a different view really amounts to the death of his cultural beliefs, he’s against it with all the fervor of a religious zealot being told that his god isn’t real. You’re challenging his faith, and he’s reacting like a true believer would.
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It would certainly explain why he keeps responding with thought-terminating copypastas and worn-out right-wing bullshit instead of trying to have an actual conversation. It would also explain why he has no feelings towards the marginalized people he was taught to hate by both his parents and his favorite right-wing media personalities.
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What does culture have to do with reality? The majority of human cultures believe in life after death, that people with different skin tones are inferior, that people with different religions are inferior, that fans of a different comic book company are inferior.
People can only ever be the sex of their bodies, regardless of how their culture chooses to treat people who believe otherwise.
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Culture shapes reality. The dominant culture shapes reality for everyone—but especially the people who aren’t part of the dominant culture. A culture of toxicity (including violence) towards queer people can shape the laws that govern their lives. Those laws can curtail the civil rights of queer people, such that queer people can be declared criminals and punished by the legal system for doing nothing more than what cishet people can do without any reproach.
Cishet people will always be the majority population in this country. Denying that fact would make you look brain dead. So maybe you can figure out how a culture bent on harming an already marginalized segment of the population can influence the reality of those people. If you can’t (or won’t), that’s your problem.
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This may surprise you, but nobody is disagreeing with you about this. Where they do disagree is in reference to your assertion that gender and sex are identical. And I think you are well aware of that and retreat back to using genetic sex in your response when you get backed into a corner. I mean, you never say “woke sex ideologues” after all, because nobody other than you is bringing up genetic sex.
Perhaps those two words did mean the same thing at some point. But definitions of words change over time through culture. For you and your culture, they may still mean the same thing. For others, they don’t. If you want to actually debate and not just troll, there has to be a common language.
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“There has to be common language” is laughable from people who cannot define “man” and “woman” but refuse to countenance the ordinary meaning of the words.
Gender and sex are the same. Gender ideologues deliberately try to confuse gender with gender role. Men and women are those only as their bodies are. They may adopt the stereotypical gender roles – appearance, dress, work – of the other gender, but that never makes them be the other gender.
They can never “know” they are a different gender because they can have no experience of being another person, only themselves. The only thing they can have is a wish to be the other gender or a delusion that they are, based on external observation of people of the other gender (“trying on mommy’s dresses” and such).
People can only ever be the sex of their bodies. Regardless of the gender roles they may wish to adopt, they should not be permitted to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them. They should not be permitted to teach their ideology – that someone can be a man or a woman even if they’re body doesn’t match – in public schools. They should not be allowed to force people to affirm that ideology.
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You’re so close to getting it, you bigoted fuck.
Sex is biological and immutable, but gender is not. Gender is informed partly by appearance and partly by societal “roles” and stereotypes. A cisgender lesbian who dresses “butch”, for example, might be mistaken for a trans woman because her appearance doesn’t look like the stereotypical feminine ideal.
A biological female can look and dress like a man to the point where she could pass as one. If that biological female wants to identify as a man—pronouns included—for what reason should anyone have the right to force him into living as a woman only for the sake of assuaging the fear and discomfort of others?
They can “know” that they don’t feel right in their body. Gender dysphoria is an actual thing that happens to people; that you think it’s some bullshit that trans people made up to justify making you uncomfortable is your problem.
All this bullshit is going to do more harm to cis women than trans women. It’ll be cis women who end up forced to undergo genital inspections and other humiliating procedures to confirm their sex, possibly after they’ve been arrested—and all because some bigoted dipshit thought a woman wasn’t “pretty enough” to be cisgender. Trans people will just stay at home instead of going out in public. Of course, something tells me you won’t be the least bit upset about trans people staying locked in their houses forever.
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The reason that a woman should not be able to force other people to identify her as a man is because she is a woman, and it is a bad thing to force people to affirm lies.
The reason that people do not want to identify men as women and women as men is that they have social, cultural, and religious taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts, and the delusions of people who want to be identified as a sex other than that of their bodies carries no weight with respect to those taboos.
Gender dysphoria is an actual mental illness. We do not affirm the delusions of the mentally ill, we try to help them overcome them.
Women would not need to be subject to “genital inspections” (not that this will happen) if men claiming to be women were not trying to force themselves into women’s spaces. As always, you resort to emotional blackmail to try to force your false beliefs onto people who want no part of them.
You do not get to redefine “men” and “women” so that women can be men and men can be women. You especially do not get to redefine those words and then apply your new false meanings to spaces that have been labeled with those words in order to restrict them to people satisfying the original meaning.
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I am whatever the fuck gender I say I am, not because some dumb male fucktard who wants to slide into my DMs to exact twisted rape fantasies decided for me.
You can take your male chauvinist desires and shove it up your ass where the rest of the world has shoved #MeToo and #TimesUp as a reminder that your days of tyranny are over.
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You finally admitted the truth. Your resistance isn’t about fact. It’s about trans people offending your beliefs. Social, cultural, and religious taboos are artificial constructs created by people. They don’t exist outside of those who hold those beliefs.
You say trans people’s beliefs carry no weight with respect to those taboos. Guess what: More and more people don’t care about your taboos. Your culture is dying. And that’s why you’re scared.
Re: Re: Re:17 'I find it icky therefore you can't do it' the argument
Interracial marriage at one point violated social, cultural and/or religious taboos.
The ideas that women and/or non-white men might deserve the same rights like ‘voting’ as white men once violated social, cultural and/or religious taboos.
The idea that the only people that had value are straight, white, and rich men once violated social, cultural and/or religious taboos.
The idea that maybe you don’t have to all follow the religion of the majority of people or even more shockingly might not follow any religion once violated social, cultural and/or religious taboos.
In their hatred of trans and gay people and obsession with the genitals of strangers(including children) they are employing an argument that can and has been used to decidedly unpleasant results.
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Duh? It’s not “admitting” something when it’s exactly what I’ve been saying since the start.
There are two separate things.
First, as a matter of physical reality, people are only ever the sex of their bodies, and no amount of decoration, clothing, medicine, or surgery can ever change men into women or women into men.
Second, many people have religious, social, and cultural taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts. Those taboos are indeed artificial in the sense that physical reality does not require such separation. People who dislike these taboos may try to convince people who hold them to change their minds. (Woke gender ideologues have largely elected to forego this in favor of the use of force in places where they have assumed control of institutions.)
As for my own personal taboos, I have two. The first is that public schools, and public policy in general, should not teach lies. The second is that single-sex sports teams should only field players of the correct sex.
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By all means, show us how widespread this phenomenon is—by citing credible sources that prove such a phenomenon is as widespread as you want us to believe it is. Remember than anecdotes, especially third-hand anecdotes from known transphobes, are not credible evidence in and of themselves.
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The data brought forth by straight men is not worth evaluating for credibility, because the only data they are capable of citing is data that entrenches their twisted, rapist beliefs.
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You’re wrong. People who feel alienated from their own bodies and from what they are can very easily decide that ending their lives is a reasonable solution.
Affirming the delusions of trans people and mutilating their bodies to fit their delusions isn’t going to help them, because the thing that’s wrong with them isn’t going to be fixed by external cosmetic modification, which in any case will only ever be a poor simulacrum of a person really of the sex that they wish they were.
Trans people cannot ever be what they want to be, because it is a physical impossibility. No matter how many people are willing to participate in the lie, no matter how they have themselves medicated, cut, dressed, and painted, they will always only ever be the sex of their bodies.
No trans person can “know” that they are the wrong sex because a person only has access to their own mind and the feelings of their own body. AT best, they can look at people of the opposite sex and wish that they were that sex, but that’s all it is – wishing without any internal knowledge. To the extent that all men or all women share some identity, it is because of their physical bodies, which a trans person does not, and can never, have experience of.
Trans people can live however they like. What they cannot do is force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, have their delusions taught as truth in public schools, and force other people to affirm their delusions. Just as Jews, Hindus, Moslems, and vegetarians can choose not to eat bacon cheeseburgers, but they cannot force restaurants to stop serving them, or force public schools to teach that eating them is wrong.
Re: Re: Re:11 I ain’t never met a person too dumb to watch porn, until now
Whatever you say Mr. “Porn is totes real and people gunna git real mad when anyone can label themselves a MILF.”
I mean you can spend all day typing that bullshit and the only reply that will ever be needed, is that you are so astoundingly pig ignorant; you thought people literally had to label themselves accurately to make porn.
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Do not exist outside of your false beliefs.
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Your proposal for such treatment probably goes like this: “We have to psychologically torture trans people into believing they’re cisgender so I’ll be comfortable with their existence”.
No ‘probably’ about it, given your other replies to them they are apparently a huge fan of the torture that is ‘gay conversion therapy’ so torturing trans people until they started behaving according to what bigots think was ‘proper’ would be entirely consistent with what they’ve already said.
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“Your attempts at emotional blackmail are useless”
Bro all we are just asking is for you to not be a total asshole.
Re: Re: Re:10
So did the fine folk he used to associate with.
I certainly believe that this sort of asshole behavior was what eventually got him banned from those places.
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Honestly what kind of dogshit do you have to be for Something Awful or 4chan to be like “nah bruh.”
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4chan? Try “conservative blogs and sites”.
I can’t really speak about the SomethingAwful Forums, and it’s pretty clear they’d also ban him once those folk have had their fun.
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He’s on 4chan because he can’t quite yet go straight or tranny porn when he’s not blackout drunk.
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Well you sure as shit are delusional so you win. Good job or whatever.
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And the reality is that trans people exists, deal with it rather that attacking them.
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nah… even reddit’s better than that. Try 4-chan
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Until recently, one of Reddit’s big subReddits was r/atheism, which spouted some insanely stupid things about religion and were antitheistic.
Hyman’s beliefs about religion being harmful is an antitheistic line, specifically from said subReddit.
4chan doesn’t give a fuck about your religion or lack thereof, unless you want to be a clown and parade your belief or lack thereof. Then you get laughed at, because 4chan considers whether a camgirl is hot or not more important than religious belief or lack thereof.
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Gods don’t exist. Whether or not believing in them is harmful depends on what the surrounding religious ideology asks of its believers. Debating the hotness of camgirls is arguably more useful since camgirls exist and gods do not.
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Just by coincidence, here is a story about a multiple offender, a Black man who set Asian UC Berkeley students on fire with WD-40 and a blowtorch, and who had also violently attacked his wife, being released to a treatment program on his own recognizance after conviction.
https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/05/20/uc-berkeley-crime/berkeley-boba-shop-attack-man-released-diversion-program/
The Alameda DA, Pamela Price, is on that list of Soros-funded prosecutors. Maybe we’ll learn more when Tim Cushing writes his article about this case. I can hardly wait.
Re: Re: Re: I eagerly await the day you produce sometime beneficial to society.
“Maybe we’ll learn more when Tim Cushing writes his article about this case. I can hardly wait.”
You first; you prolapsed rectum. No one here owes you shit.
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Irony is dead, isn’t it?
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Well ain’t that ironic.
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I’m sorry, but neither Google nor any other search engine can find any such list as “Soros-funded prosecutors that are soft on crime”.
Well, to be honest, I can find any number of articles that purport to push that agenda, but then again, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the sources for those articles are simply cribbing from each other, and absolutely always fail to publish any kind of list. A sure sign that such sources are not top-drawer, IMO.
Whereas, reputable journalistic outlets don’t even bother with the topic, for some strange reason. Do they perhaps know something that the rest of you “love-to-hate-on-Soros” mental midgets are likely missing? Could it be that they’ve done their homework (unlike some who are allowed to post here), and found no substance to the conspiracy theories?
To those of you who can’t get it through your thick skulls: If you can’t even stop to wonder at why some people are calling out your bullshit for what it is, then it’s too late for you. No amount of facts (massive in the main, ginormous in the details) will sway you. And saddest of all, you don’t even have the mental acuity to understand when you are being insulted well beyond all the shades of red-faced anger. I can’t even fell sorry for you because you’ve had your chance to grow up, and refused to do so at the appropriate time. Small wonder then that I don’t expect you to do so at any time in the future.
(A.D. forgive me): Fucking poster boys for Post-Natal Abortion. Bah!
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It’s up there in the very first post. Here you go.
https://capitalresearch.org/article/living-room-pundits-updated-guide-to-soros-district-attorneys/
Re: Re: Re:3 Getting your evidence from these fuckwits? Are you concussed or just a dumb motherfucker?
Dr. Steven J. Allen is one of America’s top biowarfare experts and studied under the former head of the Soviet Union’s biowarfare program. He is also an expert on election fraud and beating the Dems by using their voting rules against them and censorship.
Dr. Allen is a Distinguished Senior Fellow of the Capital Research Center, a Washington, DC think tank, and is one of the conservative movement’s top political analysts and investigative journalists. He was the Press Secretary for Sen. Jeremiah Denton and senior researcher Newt Gingrich for President. Dr. Allen was a staffer in the 1976 and 1980 Reagan campaigns, was a Reagan delegate in 1976, 1980, and 1984, and served as congressional district co-chairman for Kemp for President.
Dr. Allen was the first journalist to defend Donald Trump in the Russia hoax, first to criticize Al Gore for “creating the Internet” claim. He has been called a “digital revolutionary” (National Journal) and “the Tea Party’s editor in chief” (The Daily Beast), and has written for The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Newsday, The Washington Times, The Washington Examiner, The Hill, and American Greatness magazine.
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Considering that there’s an actual criminal in the Republican Party known as Donald J Trump, that’s a bold claim.
Oh, and he’s aided by his good friends the Koch Family and Rupert Murdoch, with willing criminal lackeys like Elon Musk, Justice Clarence Thomas, and criminal organizations like Focus on the Family…
Tell me how George Soros is destroying the world again?
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Not to mention George Santos (if that is his real name)…
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Do you find it hard to dance, what with wearing those clown shoes all the time?
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Note also that the left believes it can accuse Israel of being a racist, genocidal apartheid state and simultaneously reject claims of being anti-semitic. But naturally they refuse to allow the possibility of the same when it’s someone on their side being accused.
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…hallucinated nobody mentally competent, ever.
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Huh, what a black&white picture. If you look at the Torah, you’ll see that the foundational Abrahamic book obsesses a lot about family lines and committing genocide for the sake of land gains. “Semitic” is about ethnic rather than religious categories if you take it seriously, and quite a few Palestinians will fit better within that category than some Jews with a long family history far away.
Now the majority of Israelis is not orthodox and trying to keep every rule in the book, just like “Christians” can be very picky about just which commandments they consider crucially important to keep and which not.
This pickiness is a good indicator about just what kind of religious imperatives are not as much imperative but convenient.
Now Israel as a state has democratic/secular structures that are designed not as much for channeling the will of God as of its citizens.
And, well, the relations Israel maintains with its neighbors are of the kind where there can be considerable variety in opinion about just what to call them.
Even among “the left”.
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Anti-semitic means Jew-hating. The only people who try to twist the language to have it mean something else are Jew-haters.
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What you call “Jew-haters” rarely hate the religious practices of someone’s faith, or they would not have categories like “half-Jewish” or “of Jewish descent” to throw around.
Or stipulate things like a Jewish world conspiracy which does not really work in categories of either faith or ethnicity but rather is some crude form of “us vs them” thing that is useful for bonding over mob hunts of scapegoats.
Queerophobia works pretty well for that purpose as well.
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Yeah, because no one ever just has an irrational hatred of some group, amirite?
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Maybe you straight freaks of nature wouldn’t feel so uncomfortable if you didn’t ruin things for everyone else.
The paradigm shift is coming for you and there is nothing you can do to stop it – the only thing you can do is make your ass hurt a little less.
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🤫honey the adults are talking.
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Oh, we are talking. If you want to read boring ass man-on-woman trash there’s always FF.net for the children. It takes someone of a superior intellectual je ne sais quoi to appreciate futanaris consuming each other with their horsecocks and digesting each other into fart clouds.
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Those certainly were some words.
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Those are words you’ll find in any Rule 34 community. We redefine true love, not some pasty-faced old white guy who molests choirboys in church.
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If you’re looking to get molested I hear ol busted ass hyman has an opening for a victim.
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Hywoman has long since lost his abuser privileges. Women would rather get tied up by a whip and have a dom lesbian drop hot wax on their clitties than share a continent with a straight freak like Hyman.
Remember that homosexual molestation is okay unless it’s by a Catholic priest.
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It is possible to disagree with the policies of the Israeli government and also not hate the entire Jewish people.
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It is possible to disagree with the actions (and consequences of those actions) of George Soros and also not hate the entire Jewish people.
Too bad the people on this blog are too dense to understand that.
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If your goal was to prove yourself illiterate and/or a liar, then congratulations you succeeded.
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If the right-wing is able to express it without bringing up classical anti-Semitic stereotypes, I wouldn’t mind it at all, let alone call it anti-Semitic.
But they either can’t or won’t. Pick one.
Sweet Jesus
Wtf happened in this comment section? Satan released his favorite bigot or something?
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They fed the Hyman-troll.
Hyman is akin to a religious fanatic in his beliefs, he’ll deny factual reality even if it kills him but on the way there he’ll happily spread pain, misery and death to others. I wish people would just flag and ignore the attention whore he is.
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Isn’t the sheer power of truth amazing? I can do all that with just some simple words. I don’t need henchmen, guns, bombs, cars, or nail polish. (Sorry, just came out of seeing Fast X, in which Jason Momoa is the only good thing, chewing the scenery as the villain.)
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But you sure wouldn’t mind using them against trans people, would you, Hyman.
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The projection is strong, isn’t it? As gender ideologues see their views rejected by ever increasing numbers of people, the urge to use violence to get their way grows. They’ve resorted to physical attack after attack against protesters resisting the attempt to erase women.
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Every accusation, a confession.
lmao
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Why are you feeding the attention whore? It’s a fanatic that is too stupid to change its stripes, just fucking stop and click the flag.
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I could ask the same of you. 😁
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Because fuck you straight white normies, that’s why.
You’ve been fed for thousands of years at our general expense. Finally the tables are turning. Do you really think we’re going to stop?
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Herman we know it’s you
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Yes, mock Hyman. Mock him until he spontaneously combusts from the shame involved.
The downside is that it requires a lot of shame, but we’ll get there eventually.
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Out of the fear that someone might take Hyman seriously.
You never know, and 74 million examples do exist to prove me right.
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Exactly. Until those 74 million are prosecuted for hate crimes against sexual minorities, we cannot feel safe. These straight white scumbags and their enablers must at least be put away or dealt with in such a way that they cannot be allowed to corrupt the world with their hateful, false rhetoric.
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“The projection is strong, isn’t it?”
The first step is admitting you have a problem.
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I have a problem with straight men. They take up all the oxygen in the room, and the worst thing they do is violate a growing entity into women. There’s no need for a man-generated baby when a trans-generated baby will more than suffice, and likely to have better mental health and development than one created from a nuclear family union. It’s high time we abandoned antiquated norms that favor males who have done nothing to deserve this privilege.
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Fucks sake you stopped just short of describing how his muscles glisten.
You’re nothing but a basic bitch closet case.
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Have you seen any Fast & Furious movies? People don’t go see them to see muscles glisten. They go to see cars glisten. It’s the closest to human / automobile erotica since Titane.
Momoa is hilarious in Fast X because in the middle of all the testosterone-driven posturing (the women no less than the men) he is as strong (and thoroughly evil), but likes wearing feminine or gay coded outfits and nail polish, without any hint of shame. He ought to be a hero to the trans community for choosing to live as he sees fit without worrying what anyone else thinks.
Nuclear families are a doomed cause. Women are far better off marrying each other and actually having control over their bodies and their pregnancies, which they won’t have until we achieve futanari technology.
Straight people stand in the way of everyone else’s happiness. Our failure to remove them has caused millennia of suffering and heartbreak. Only by removing the lie that is heterosexuality can we finally be whole.