Meta Following Elon Down The Road Of Making Verification An Upsell Is A Terrible Idea
from the c'mon-zuck dept
And here I was thinking that the last few months of Twitter shenanigans with Elon Musk at the helm had done something nearly impossible: made Mark Zuckerberg’s leadership of Meta (Facebook/Instagram) look thoughtful and balanced in comparison. But then, on Sunday, Zuckberg announced that Meta is following Musk down the dubious road of making “verification” an upsell product people can buy. This is a mistake for many reasons, just as it was a mistake when Musk did it.

To be clear, as with Twitter Blue, I have no issue with social media companies creating subscription services in which they provide users with more benefits / features etc. Indeed, I’ve been surprised at how little most social media companies have experimented with such subscription programs. Hell, even here at Techdirt, we’ve long had some cool perks and extra features for people willing to subscribe (if you don’t yet subscribe, check it out).
But, any such upsell / premium subscription offering has to be about actually providing real value to the end users. And, it should never involve undermining trust & safety for users. But, really, that’s what this is doing. As we wrote when Musk first floated the idea of charging for verification, it’s important to understand the history and the reasons social media companies embraced verification in the first place.
It wasn’t about providing value to that individual user, but rather about increasing the trust and safety of the entire platform, so that users wouldn’t be confused or fooled by impostors or inauthentic users. The goal, then, is to benefit everyone else using the platform to interact with the verified users, more than it is to benefit the verified users themselves.
But, in shifting it to a subscription service, as we’ve seen with Twitter, it seems to do plenty to undermine the trust and safety other users have regarding the platform, making it so they feel less comfortable recognizing verified users as legitimate.
Meta’s more detailed announcement, following Zuck’s posting it to an Instagram group, only serves to show how backwards this is, and how similar it is to Twitter Blue’s disastrous adaptations.
With Meta Verified, creators get:
A verified badge, confirming you’re the real you and that your account has been authenticated with a government ID.
More protection from impersonation with proactive account monitoring for impersonators who might target people with growing online audiences.
Help when you need it with access to a real person for common account issues.
Increased visibility and reach with prominence in some areas of the platform– like search, comments and recommendations.
Exclusive features to express yourself in unique ways.
We can walk through each one of these to show why it looks like Meta is just running out of ideas, and desperate to squeeze users.
Those first two items should never be paid premium services. As explained, verification is not so much for the user’s benefit but for the wider platform’s. Making it so only those with the means to do so get verified actually takes away much of the value of being verified. As for “more protection from impersonation,” it feels like… maybe that isn’t the kind of product you should be selling, but rather is kind of an indictment of a platform’s inability to protect its users.
“We failed to stop people from pretending to be you, so pay us to now protect you” is not exactly a strong sales pitch, Mark.
And, sure, there are services that let you pay for more urgent access to customer support, but again, this mostly just highlights just how terrible Meta customer support has been for years.
But, the last two points deserve special attention. Increased visibility in search, comments, and recommendations based on paying up is also something that Musk has done with Twitter Blue, but seems like a terrible idea that just encourages spammers and other bad actors to use this as a cheap way of being able to get more prominent attention for their spam and scams and the like. It also calls into serious question all the promises we’ve been hearing from Zuck for years now about the company’s increasing focus on relevance in its feeds. If they’re moving away from that to encourage paying up to reach people, it seems like we’re only moving further into the enshittification death spiral.
As for “exclusive features to express yourself in unique ways,” at first glance that sounds like maybe something that could be a useful thing as an upsell or premium offering, but the details (in a footnote) make it pretty clear this was a rushed afterthought.
We’ll offer exclusive stickers on Facebook and Instagram Stories and Facebook Reels, and 100 free stars a month on Facebook so you can show your support for other creators.
How… utterly unexciting.
Anyway, this definitely fits back in with the nature of Cory Doctorow’s enshittification death cycle. Remember how it works:
Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.
Nothing in this announcement really benefits users. It just squeezes more money out of them. Yes, Meta is presenting it as if there are real benefits for users, but users aren’t that dumb.
I’m sure that a decent number of people will sign up for this. And it’s certainly likely that the rollout won’t be as chaotic and embarrassing as Twitter’s paid verification program. But it seems quite likely to me that Meta is going to find the end result of this underwhelming, just as Twitter did.
Filed Under: mark zuckerberg, premium, security, subscriptions, trust, upsell, verification
Companies: facebook, instagram, meta


Comments on “Meta Following Elon Down The Road Of Making Verification An Upsell Is A Terrible Idea”
because charging more for mobile is soooo 1990s
'We're Meta, of course it'll work different for us!'
Exec 1: We’re bleeding money like mad thanks to the boss’ obsession with the whole ‘Metaverse’ thing, what’s the best way to get money coming in rather than going out?
Exec 2: … how about charging money for account verification and security?
Exec 1: Didn’t Twitter try that to spectacularly bad results? And wouldn’t even making the offer tip our hands that we only care about user security if they pay us extra?
Exec 2: Yeah but money!
Exec 1: I’m sold, get some scapegoats lined up for blame when this blows up in our faces and send out the announcement.
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no, actually. Spoiler: Masnick shitting on an idea has basically no correlation with whether an idea is working.
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Dude, even Elon Musk himself admitted that it led to bad results when he tried it, even if he’s still convinced that it will work after some changes. No one other than scammers was pleased with how it unfolded. That’s why he backtracked on it almost immediately. Who are you trying to kid?
How about…
Not handing ANYONE a government ID for services beyond government and perhaps banking?
Identity theft is a thing, and boy oh boy it sucks ass. So’s shitty data security.
Note that governments and banks suffer from the latter but well, we are forced to interact with both governments and banks.
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As with many issues, most people don’t understand the problem with identity theft until they experience it personally. Until then, they will take unnecessary risks if something shiny is in front of them.
I’m not sure of the fix, but this is reality…
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…that the people failing to protect private data made up, to mislead people and offload the work of fixing it. If a bank loaned money to a criminal they thought was me, then isn’t the bank the victim? It shouldn’t have anything else to do with me, anyway.
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Then enjoy getting arrested, jailed and shot for a crime you never did, then, HYMAN.
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Given that I’m against woke ideology in a very woke state and city, that’s not as unlikely as you might suppose.
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Note: In reality, it’s Hyman’s fascist comrades like DeSantis rhat send the SS against truth-speakers.
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Apparently, you don’t understand how this works. Both the bank (or whatever) and the person whose identity was stolen are affected adversely by identity theft. For example, you could have your credit score ruined, making it harder for you to get a loan.
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Holy crap, you just can't help yourself.
Just take a week off from writing about Musk, maybe social media in general. Zuckerberg is a loon who actually “lucked” into having a successful company (which is funny cuz your readership thinks that’s true of Musk but he would have had to been lucky at least 5x now…) and kinda hasn’t done anything smart with it since beyond just being the biggest SM network.
But still subscription can work cuz at least then you’re the customer not the product and subscription as verification can work just fine …. and no, some people using a rushed start to troll for a week or two and you and some other shitheels mocking the idea doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea at all. (implementation is always the hardest step). It’s fine, at least to try. If it doesn’t work, that’s fine too, as long as they’re not as costly as “metaverse”.
This isn’t a story about Musk, at all, and yet you still have to make it about Musk, cuz you’re fucking deranged about him. Fuck, if you didn’t hat Musk so much you might be talking about how it’s a good idea, Twitter rocky start or no. That’s how bad your MDS is.
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People doing dumb things with tech things are discussed on this site. That you are too stupid to see that Musk is currently leading the world in that category shows how detached from reality you are. Musk has grabbed so much attention in this space that Zuck is trying to top him.
You should be happy that your man crush Elmo is getting some real competition now in dumbest leader of a tech company.
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I just don’t know how a bunch of barely functional moms-basement commies get to the point where they convinced themselves they are smarter than a guy who grew a half-dozen companies to multi-billion dollar valuations.
Like, you know that makes no sense. You have to!
C’mon. Who’s making smarter business decisions? You or Musk? Be real.
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First off, being a commie is legitimetely illegal in SOME countries.
Secondly, considering I’m actually reading this site (and its articles!) and NOT burning at least 31 billion dollars of my own cash and others in a business venture driven purely out of spite, I guess I am doing alright businesswise!
And at least I pay my bills.
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As I’ve said before, I’ve never shaved triple-digit billions worth of market capitalization off the value of any company I’ve ever run, so, uh, yeah.
Yeah I am a better businessman than Musk. Deal with it.
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Even if that made sense (it doesn’t) you would be cherry picking data.
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So are you.
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If you wanna give Mr. Musk credit for the ups, he gets to own the downs too, m’boy.
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Y’know, it’d be nice if you could stop calling people who disagree with you “commies”. It makes you look like you don’t know anything about what communism is besides “communism = bad”. Also, this is an ad hominem argument.
First, that’s an argument from authority, another genetic fallacy.
Second, not counting Twitter (since Elon certainly hasn’t grown that to high valuations), I’m only familiar with him owning Tesla and SpaceX.
Third, success in some (fairly related) industries doesn’t mean he has anything to say about his expertise in a completely different industry.
Fourth, the fact that he keeps making mistakes in his handling of Twitter is pretty good evidence that he doesn’t know how to run Twitter.
Fifth, an argument could be made that at least part of those valuations comes from the wealth he was born with, not from his actual success, along with people valuing his name due to his (perceived) success rather than actual business acumen on his part. Y’know, like Trump.
Rich people do dumb things all the time. That includes those who weren’t born rich. I’m know that you don’t think highly of Zuckerberg, for example, and he wasn’t born rich, either. Same for Jack Dorsey. Successful people often think that they are smarter than they actually are.
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Ironically, that acronym would also fit something that you seem to have developed.
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Couldn’t the same thing be said about you and how you’re fucking deranged about Mike?
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The only thing to which “every accusation, a confession” would more aptly apply than this statement is a “family values” preacher being arrested for raping children.
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“I’m rubber you’re glue” is not a very interesting comment, generally.
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That isn’t how English works, but hey, accurate description of the comment which actually says that.
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Sure it is. Possibly you’re referring to the perspective shifting, but that would be pedantic without point.
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Elon’s still not going to kiss you on the lips, Matt.
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That’s what you think, Hilary scum.
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What does Hillary have to do with it?
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Hilary has to do with everything. Just as LostinLodos.
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Neither are your constant attempts to ride Elon’s dick, but you keep posting regardless.
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It’s 2023 and I can be gay for Elon if I wanna.
Seriously, this is dumb. It’s beneath you, and I honestly don’t think that much of you to start. STAHP.
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This might surprise you, even shock you, but people aren’t too bothered by what you think.
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23rd one this month.
75th since Nov. 1st.
Re: Here's an idea
Matty, I suggest the following to make your life happier:
That’s it. Go your own way. Be the person you dream you are, and let Mike and co do their thing in peace.
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1) Not gonna take life advice from someone using diminutives to make themselves feel more secure.
2) that would make YOU happy, but my happiness is not tied to that, k, thx.
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That your happiness seems tied to hatereading this blog, harassing its owner/writers, and simping for a man who has exploited shitloads of working class people to amass an unethically gigantic amount of wealth says a lot about you. And most of it is saying, “You can no longer be saved by touching grass—you’re gonna need to till the soil and grow some crops to fix even a fraction of your shit.”
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Well, yeah (most of the rest wasn’t true, but man, you’re one to talk about touching grass)
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That you admit to being happy only when trying to hurt yourself or others is…well, there’s a lot of words to describe that, but “sad” is the first one that comes to mind. Seek professional psychiatric help for both your self-harm issues and your parasocial obsession with Elon Musk.
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It strikes me that that bit of strawmanning couldn’t have been accidental.
I’m “owning the libs”, sweatheart. You especially.
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I’m “owning the libs”
No, you’re really not.
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whatever you want to tell yourself
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I see you have mastered the art of projection.
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How would you even define “owned”? Because other users convinced one crusty old Republican fuckfart to spend his time here instead of with his alleged wife and kids? That’s not being “owned”, that’s occupying so much space in your head you have to be surgically attached to Techdirt so you can keep shitting yourself in the comments and thinking that you’re a tactical mastermind.
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I mean they might be, their definition of words seems to be rather ‘unique’ shall we say so if their definition of ‘owning’ is ‘entertaining by being the village idiot’ then they most certainly are ‘owning the libs.’
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Making yourself look like a pathetic excuse of a human being is your definition of owning the libs…. Then good on you.
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So how is it that I am being “owned”?
Consider many of my comments are tagged with the insightful badge, and almost all of your posts become hidden like the filth they are…
I would say that the only one getting “owned” here is you… and it’s total pwnage!
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And these “libs” that you’re “owning”, are they in the room with you right now?
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They just want to “own” “libs” because they’re still mad they can’t own Blacks.
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It does say a lot about them that they use that specific phrasing of “owning” people…
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If harassment and unwanted “education” of how domestic terrorists see reality counts as owning, sure.
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You literally said that this statement:
…is true. “Hatereading” would be considered “harming oneself”, and “harassing” would be considered “harming others”. In other words, the statement you acknowledged to be true is tantamount to a statement that says you get happiness from trying to hurt yourself or others.
So please, explain how that’s a strawman.
[citation needed]
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Your happiness seems to be angering yourself until you get an aneurysm. I suppose that would be somewhat enjoyable schadenfreude, except for the fact that you won’t do it any faster.
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“Not gonna take life advice from someone using diminutives to make themselves feel more secure.”
You behave like a child, so diminutives will happens to you
“my happiness is not tied to that”
It’s very difficult to tell what might make you happy because you come across as frustrated, angry, ineducable, and bewildered by the smallest objective facts.
That you hang around on a blog where you learn absolutely nothing to your benefit, where – I am confident in saying – you are loathed and despised by 100% of the commenters who are not you, and where you are derided by every single person who can be bothered replying to you, indicates that you really do not have any happiness in your life, and you consider humiliation and abuse better than no attention at all.
For which you should – and I mean this sincerely – speak to a therapist, because this is tremendously unhealthy and not going to end well.
If, as seems unlikely, you actually get off on being abused and humiliated, it’s extremely rude of you to involve the rest of us involuntarily in your sex life. BDSM should be safe, sane, and consensual, and what you are doing is none of that. Go find someone you can pay to be really nasty to you, and who’ll enjoy it.
I would feel immense pity for the man you present yourself to be, but, in the deathless words of Dr Sidney Freedman, “you’re such an unbelievable example of walking fertilizer, it’s hard for me to care”.
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Matthew, unfortunately, only feels happy when he has successfully shut Mike up or forces Mike to cover only positive things about Elon, the Republicans and their evil, evil backers, Jan 6 and white people.
The only things I feel about him and the usual suspects are a neverending hatred and a need to dispose of the filth.
These people are not walking manure, manure is useful. They are active, credible threats to America and anyone who wants to better America.
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Oh, no, occasionally I clearly needle Masnick but good, and he deserves it.
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Haha I don’t think so.
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Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel adequate.
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You clearly needle Masnick, sure, and it’s anything but good.
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Fuck man, I really wish I cared enough to bother reading that.
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And yet you cared enough to comment. Go figure.
Re: Re: Re:3 Silly me
I forgot I was dealing with someone with both the short attention span and a reading age of of a child of five.
Poor Master Matthew M for Masochist Bennett. The undersized barely fledged cockerel preening and shaking his sad little tail in hopes of catching a hen, while all the ladies are sticking with the full-grown roosters who can give them some proper bang for their buck.
You can’t be taught, you won’t learn, you can’t be reasoned with or persuaded or advised, you don’t read, and you never change. Sad, rigid, and ignorant is no way to go through life.
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My attention span is fine, it’s just clear you didn’t have anything of value to say, k, thx.
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The same can be said of every comment you have made.
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Oh my, that’s so witty!
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Well, not once, not a single time, have you ever made a post with any substance to it, you’re essentially just full of nothing but bluster (and bullshit)
So yes, your posts have nothing of value to add to the discourse here.
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“my happiness is not tied to that”
No, it’s apparently tied to obsessively defending someone you’ve never met with claims that are instantly recognisable nonsense, followed by people telling you how wrong you are.
Hey, we all have our kink, but I can think of few sadder than what you type.
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I don’t see anything in the feature list about being free from advertising. Unless there are no ads, you’re still the product.
You’re right, it’s not about Musk, it’s about another company doing the same dumb thing Twitter did. Sometimes topics or subjects overlap. It’s not a complicated idea to grasp.
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“I don’t see anything in the feature list about being free from advertising”
Even if it were, whatever you post there is still leveraged for ads targeted at people who don’t pay when they interact with you. So, you’re still the product, you’re just paying not to see ads yourself.
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Except Masnick made it all about Musk. Cuz THATs what he cares about. Not whether it’s actually a good idea. That’s why it’s so risible anytime he talks about Musk.
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Except that’s what you say every time he publishes an article. It’s always because he hates Elon. You cry wolf so often coupled with your perpetual attempts at gaslighting it makes a conversation with you incredibly boring and pointless. It’s impossible to tell if you are telling the truth or if you are trolling and your attitude is responsible for that confusion not us. Nobody here can trust anything you say because nobody here can trust you period. So keep crying wolf and we’ll keep ignoring or making fun of you. You can feel superior because you’ve shown us liberals what’s what and we can feel superior because you spoke.
And I’ve always just assumed this was some weird kink for you. I didn’t bring it up because I can’t prove it and it’s pretty disturbing to think that’s the real reason why you are here and why you never present an honest depiction of yourself. It’s because you want people to call you pathetic and stupid. There’s plenty of people who can satisfy your kinks locally if you just go online and seek them out.
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Masnick loved the viewpoint-based censorship the old management of Twitter provided for him, and hates the new management that has done away with it. He makes the absurd argument that censoring viewpoints he doesn’t like is a way of supporting free speech because it will increase the number of people speaking in agreement with him, who otherwise might not speak because they cannot stand hearing dissent. But posting overwhelmingly frequent articles disparaging Musk is not going to bring that censorship back.
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…said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
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Then why did Mike repeatedly criticize certain moderation decisions made by Twitter in the past? And why did he support the rights of, say, Parler to moderate in a completely different manner from old Twitter?
No. The criticisms regarding Elon’s viewpoint-based moderation have had little to do with the overturning of old policy decisions solely for bringing back “conservative” viewpoints. Mainly it’s been the process by which those decisions were made (like by Twitter poll or having no actual process beyond “Elon said so”), and the failure to consider legal issues.
I’ve already explained why this is a false characterization of what Mike’s argument actually is, as well as the reasons behind it.
The biggest flaw is that he doesn’t just say that the number of people in agreement with him will increase but people in general. Additionally, it’s not just an unwillingness to hear dissent but actual harassment.
There are other issues that I mentioned previously, but I don’t feel like repeating everything over and over again.
Nor does Mike expect them to. That’s not even what he’s asking for, but he also doesn’t expect Musk (or anyone currently working at Twitter) to read his articles in the first place.
Also, nothing you said addressed anything Violet was saying.
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Cuz he writes deranged shit based on not very much in a manner that indicates he personally hates Musk. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
….why would you trust anyone on the internet? That’s insane.
What a bizarre fucking statement. Then you construct some story from there on how you’re concerned about MY mental health?!? DAFUQ.
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Considering your behavior here in the comments section, yes, I do believe you have mental health problems.
Also, there is no shame in seeking professional help and you should consider doing so.
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No, that’s just you projecting hate again.
John Adams would like a word.
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You have yet to demonstrate:
Basically, these are just bald assertions you’re making with no support whatsoever.
The problem is that Violet no longer trusts that you even believe what you say is true, and that you have said things that are really easy to disprove multiple times. You’ve fallen below even the baseline level of trust given to internet strangers, which is already not terribly high to begin with.
Moreover, all of your arguments that aren’t immediately refuted by your own claims or your own citations require others to trust you to some extent. Saying no one should trust you basically kills all your arguments.
Nothing Violet said had anything to do with your mental health. (Kinks aren’t a mental health thing.)
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Looking at anal vore unbirth activists, I’m not entirely sure about that.
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I’m reasonably sure you just made that up. Not the kink itself but that there is activism to promote that particular kink, specifically.
At any rate, given that that is fundamentally impossible to do such an act IRL, I doubt that there is any feasible harm (to themselves or to others) from such a kink, nor is it any more likely to cause disturbance in any everyday or social activities than any other sexual preferences (including vanilla ones), I don’t think it’s a mental health thing. It may be disturbing, but “likes things that disturb others” isn’t a mental health issue in itself, particularly when kept in the realms of fantasy and virtually certain to stay in the realms of fantasy.
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If it were, people who both create and consume horror fiction would be locked up in droves.
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You can’t expect progress to happen overnight, but here’s a start.
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Pretty sure that person was locked up for committing murders. That’s nowhere near the same thing as writing, say, the script for a Saw film.
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Getting cut by broken glass is a legitimate sexual fetish and we will make sure the genetics involved are passed down one way or another.
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Oh, we’re going to work on that. We didn’t develop that kink if it wasn’t going to serve an evolutionary biological niche. True love will find a way.
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Trust me, guy, no one here is concerned about your mental health. Maybe the one reason anyone would be concerned about you is that your demonstrable behavior looks like the kind that eventually gets profiled on the Explore With Us true crime channel on YouTube.
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…said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
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No. He did mention Musk a few times due to the overlap in topics, but the article primarily focuses on Meta/Facebook, not Musk.
Which is why Mike explained why he thought it was a bad idea beyond just “Musk tried it and failed”. It’s almost like Mike actually thinks it’s a bad idea.
Moreover, you have offered nothing to support your claim that it’s a good idea.
Or, rather, that’s why whenever Mike writes an article that mentions Musk, you only read those parts and ignore everything else. At least, that’s what I would assume you were doing in order to come to the conclusion that the article focuses on Musk when it factually does not.
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Why should he?
That’s largely what a lot of other people here think as well. What’s your point?
Outside of Tesla’s EVs and (to a lesser extent) SpaceX, I can’t think of any other major successes Musk had in the past beyond just being born to a rich family. Where are you getting 5 from?
Also, the people here you seem to be referring to (which doesn’t include Mike, BTW) attribute his success to a combination of luck (largely in terms of being born to a rich family) and throwing money at the problem until it worked rather than actual skill or intelligence on his part. I’m not saying I agree with that assessment, but you should at least get his detractors’ arguments right before criticizing them.
Again, no one is arguing otherwise. Again, what’s your point?
Mike says as much in the article. Again, what’s your point?
There appears to be no evidence to support that (in fact, the only available evidence is that it doesn’t), you offer no arguments as to how it can work, and most people’s intuitions is that it won’t work.
Yes, implementation is hard. One might even say functionally impossible. Moreover, the issue is that one shouldn’t be able to impersonate someone just because they didn’t pay up, and it’s really easy to game such a system.
And as for using a rushed start to mock the idea, given that no other examples exist of the idea being implemented, you would have to at least present an argument for why it could work despite that evidence to be convincing, not merely assert it without more.
Also, Mike does go into more detail as to why it’s a bad idea, and you address absolutely none of his arguments. That you say that him calling it a bad idea doesn’t make it a bad idea doesn’t make it a good idea, either, nor does it address any of the reasons he gave for it being a bad idea.
I mean, “not as costly [a mistake] as ‘metaverse’” is an incredibly low bar. More importantly, the issue is timing combined with it being a bad idea even if implemented well plus it being virtually impossible to actually do well in the first place, and failure could have consequences beyond the financial (namely identity theft).
It’s an idea that Musk already tried and failed miserably at implementing, and he was criticized for it before in previous articles, at least one of which even said that the writer didn’t think that even Zuckerberg would do something so stupid, so of course Musk will be referenced here. When person A tries a dumb idea and fails spectacularly, and then person B says they plan to try a similar idea, referencing person A is perfectly reasonable. Seriously, the connections are pretty obvious here.
You have offered zero evidence or arguments for why it would be a good idea. Mike offered both for why it would be a bad idea. It sounds like maybe Mike thinks it’s a bad idea no matter who is trying it. And if he was biased against Musk like you think he is, one would expect him to treat Facebook’s plans differently from Musk’s. It’s almost like Mike actually does think it’s a bad idea and that it has nothing to do with whose idea it was.
Now, do you have any substantive points beyond that subscription models could work (which, again, Mike already said in the article)?
Remember when Randi Zuckerberg said Facebook wanted to end online anonymity and the internet told them to do one? A decade on and knowledge of what they’re doing with private data becoming widespread, I doubt many will be lining up to pay them to surrender their anonymity.
Nothing says “verified identity” like a subscription.
Seriously are these mofos going to check with federal, state, and county every month to make sure you are who you say you are and still breathing?
“You need a new birth certificate every month.” Yeah ok Hoss, i’m on it.
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It’s called “billing address” dumbass.
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It’s one thing to get a recurring subscription to ANYTHING. Those typically don’t need your bloody ID.
It’s another to demand ID for verification for ANYTHING other than government services or banking stuff. And PAYPAL doesn’t demand your ID, btw, and Credit Card is more replaceable than a government ID.
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Yeah, that was what made it clear nonsense to me when Musk started haggling with King over the price. A one-off admin fee I can see justified, but a monthly sub for something that rarely changes? Please…
Elon Musk: Does something blatantly stupid.
Mark Zuckerberg: “I’D FUCKING DO IT AGAIN!!!!“
Will this get me some legs?
"Big Tuna" Zuckerberg
FB should call it what it is: a protection racket.
“Nice account ya got here. Be a shame if anything happened to it.”
I could see introducing a one-off fee for verifying someone, on grounds of both covering the costs of doing so and providing a signal between Facebook and the user about which users believe that to be important to them rather than needing to figure shit out adhoc or verifying literally everyone for free, which’d be its own can of worms.
But a monthly subscription fee? Come the fuck on.
All Meta needs to make back everything they lost on the metaverse last year is 800 million paying subscribers.
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Or 1 million subscribers willing to pay $800 for Instagram Plus-Ultra.
nobody should trust social media anyway
Social media is a platform for selling the product (the user) to the customer (the advertiser). Why should I trust anyone or anything within that system? It’s not set up for my benefit and I can expect to be treated like an inanimate object so why should I expect something quaint like privacy out of it?
You want to communicate with someone, pick up a phone and call them. If you don’t have their phone number and they won’t give it to you, that should tell you something important about whatever you imagine your relationship with them to be. That applies to celebrities and customer service departments alike.
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Ummm… I have plenty of friends in Switzerland where I lived for several years, and even though I have most of their phone numbers, I still find it much more convenient to communicate via Facebook.
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“You want to communicate with someone, pick up a phone and call them.”
I literally have friends and family all over the world, in many time zones, with different daily habits and work patterns.
I could email them, sure. I hate Facebook and wish my friends and family would all migrate somewhere nicer, like Mastodon.
But since they can’t or won’t, I go where they are to see their news.
Stop laying down social ‘rules’ about situations you know nothing about.
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Being the product is an amazingly good deal for users. Because you the user are non-rivalrous, you get to be the product for as many companies as will have you, getting benefits from all of them while not being diminished in the slightest.
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Fine if I want a conversation with one person, but that get tedious fast when I want to deliver the same message to a dozen people…
When can I pay for Techdirt Verified?
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Bottom of the page, ‘Insider Shop’, choose one or more of the entries under ‘Blog perks’.
Granted it will only ‘verify’ that you like the blog enough to financially support it and give you an ‘Insider’ tag on your account image to show that but that’s still more than Twitter and now Meta’s version give you.
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Granted, at least one person got confused by that in the past, confusing such a user for Mike Masnick.
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That was Matthew, unsurprisingly.
Also, getting to read articles earlier and access to the cool Techdirt Insiders Discord!
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