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US Going Deeper Into The Red Now That The IRS Is Sharing Tax Data With ICE

from the making-America-late-on-interest-payments-again dept

The government needs more funding than ever, which is kind of hilarious when you realize the Tea Party of the Obama era was the predecessor of this Big Government version of the GOP.

The DHS can’t even get itself a budget at the moment. Sure, it will get some money thrown to it sooner or later and the administration won’t let the lack of tax revenue offsets stop it from feeding billions more into its Bigotry Machine.

But that’s not all. Behold our all-but-officially-declared war in Iran, currently headed by the Department of Defense War Little Excursion, which is adding billions of dollars weekly to the national deficit. After all, as right-leaning libertarians like to point out, the government doesn’t actually “make” anything. The private sector builds the bombs and missiles. And unlike TSA agents, they expect to be paid.

You know who could help this country offset some of its insane expenditures? It’s the same people we’re spending billions to remove from the country:

Immigrants accounted for more US income and generated more revenue for the government because they were, on average, over 12 percentage points more likely to be employed than the US-born population. This means that even if immigrants earn lower hourly wages, they can still account for more total income per capita than the US-born population by working cumulatively more hours. This higher employment rate was driven by the fact that immigrants were, on average, 20 percentage points more likely to be of working age. Immigrants usually arrive in the US as young adults and often leave before retirement.

More succinctly, immigrants out-punch their weight class when it comes to erasing budget deficits:

Accounting for savings on interest payments on the national debt, immigrants saved $14.5 trillion in debt over this 30-year period.

[…]

Without the contributions of immigrants, public debt at all levels would already be above 200 percent of US GDP—nearly twice the 2023 level and a threshold some analysts believe would trigger a debt crisis.

But that help is apparently no longer welcome. The Trump administration has succeeded in eliminating the firewall between the IRS and ICE, allowing ICE agents to use this data to hunt down taxpayers who work harder and pay more taxes than the white, natural-born citizens that this administration pretends make America great.

That’s going to cause even more problems for an administration that is spending far more liberally than any “liberal” it blames its current budget problems on. Here’s how that looks on the ground as Tax Day has come and gone in the United States:

By the time Tax Day rolls around every April 15, accountant María José Solís usually has more to do. More clients. More paperwork. More phones ringing, more emails and WhatsApp messages pinging.

But this year, she said, more than 550 of her regular clients have disappeared. That’s about 15 percent of her customer base at Toro Taxes, the bilingual firm in Wheaton, Maryland, that Solís runs.

There’s your anecdote, albeit one that’s being repeated around the nation. Here’s the data:

The Yale Budget Lab estimates that the IRS stands to lose between $147 billion and $479 billion over the next decade as migration to the U.S. declines, deportations increase and immigrants of various statuses disengage from the formal economy for what some experts say may be an extended period.

That estimate will likely be low if the Trump administration continues to purge migrants at the rate it has since Trump returned to office. It will definitely be lower if another similarly bigoted GOP lawmaker succeeds him as president.

And it’s not just the losses up front. There’s money leaking out the back as well. It’s a double-dip, because migrants with ITINs (individual tax identification numbers) pay taxes for services they can’t actually access, like Social Security and Medicare. They’re actually subsidizing citizens who pay fewer taxes, work fewer hours, and commit more crimes than they do.

This nation continues to become poorer, not just in terms of financial viability, but in heart and spirit. Migrants made this nation great. Now, a bunch of ungrateful people who hate people who aren’t white are not only driving us deeper into debt, but they’re eliminating a source of income that never asked for anything more than a chance to survive.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

There is something that is actually unclear, which is not necessarily your fault, but because people who say what you do actually have different opinions on this. Are you saying undocumented immigrants should leave because you want less immigrants (before you start talking about illegal vs. legal immigration, immigration laws, by design, reduce the number of immigrants), regardless of the benefits they bring, or because the law should be enforced, regardless of what anybody thinks about them?

In other words, would you have a problem if immigration laws were loosened to the point that the same people would be here, but legally?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Being a contrarian doesn’t make you a “free thinker”, you know. In fact, if the only thing you’re able to think is ‘the opposite of whatever that guy said’, without even any further elaboration, you are as far from a free thinker as it is humanly possible to be.

Go reacquaint your fingers with the sensation of being laid upon grass.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I mean, any factual look at the deficit shows that for decades (and all, I suspect, of your lifetime), Republicans have increased the deficit while Democrats have decreased it. If you actually believe in bringing down deficit spending, the empirical evidence shows that Democrats have been way more successful at it.

https://amarkfoundation.org/reports/u-s-presidents-and-the-federal-deficit/

You’re free to your own opinions, but you’re not free to make up your own facts when reality says you’re wrong.

And that’s what I’m afraid you don’t get.

The Fly (profile) says:

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No rhetoric, no argument, no real position. This article points out the real harms that these deportation pushes will cause, and all you can say in response is “they gotta go?” You’re literally sawing at the branch you’re sitting on and laughing at the people warning you that you’re going to fall.

So when you do fall, you’ll deserve it all the more. If anyone should go, it’s you.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Not sure what you don’t get.

I don’t get why you people just don’t quit complaining. Ever.

You’re always fucking whining about something. Maybe instead of blaming immigrants for you being born an asshole, you could take some personal incentive and fix whatever makes you the miserable fucking prick that you are.

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Cathay (profile) says:

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The US voted for economic and demographic suicide. It’s interesting, as a citizen of an ex-superpower, to observe the variations on the process of self-destruction. The US doesn’t even have the excuse of spending all its wealth defeating Nazis< Instead it’s closer to letting the Nazis run off with the wealth.

ECA (profile) says:

Re: Re: Love it.

Its real interesting that this nation Converted its Ideals to Money and War about 1880.
They learn that they can Ship off most of the men, Lowers the Employment problems, Hire a Few extra Women to cover for the men, and pay them LESS.
Then Think of the LABOR UNIONS trying to Balance things, and More jobs for the police.

CEO pay over Employee.
Japan, Germany, France, UNDER 20/1
Italy, Canada S. Africa, Britain Under 22/1
Mexico, Venezuela, Under 50/1
USA 475/1
Its interesting that South of the Border, is Influenced by the USA. While the rest of the World is Less then 1/2 of S. America.

The Corps love how much money they can MAKE during Wars. And we Dont use CHEAP AMMO Or Vehicles.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I grew up in Trump country in the 90s. It was long before the MAGA movement, but the roots of it were there from the start. This whole thing always felt sort of inevitable to me. Like an idiot boulder rolling down a hill, so far away from civilization that few who saw it could recognize or care about the danger.

I got the hell out of MAGA country at 18 and never looked back. Still well over a decade before the MAGA movement. I had almost managed to forget about the idiot boulder. But we’ve all been in its path this whole time, and it hasn’t forgotten us.

The Phule says:

Fifth Amendment rights

Taxes are ‘Compelled speech’, so they’re protected by the fifth amendment… IF you make an affirmative claim that you are taking your fifth amendment rights with your taxes.

Unfortunately, there have been recent questionable rulings that non-citizens might not get rights, so I’m no longer confident that claiming fifth amendment rights on your taxes will protect you if you’re working on a non-working visa… which, due to the ICE insanity this year, and due to the policies that I keep at my practice, I’ve had more us residents working-on-non-working visas this year than the entire rest of my career combined. That’s been stressful.

I’m mostly working with people from China, and India. I’ve asked, and something about the way I visually present myself is very ‘honest’ looking to people from that part of the world.

ECA (profile) says:

Just an idea

wHERE ARE THE DRUG KINGPINS AND those that work for them Located?
IMO, they would be abit more Hidden then the Common Immigrant. They would be setup to NOT bother/interfere with anyone or group.
To anyone thatt dont get this idea, think about Druggies in the streets and how many you REALLY see/Dont see.
In the END, you arnt catching the Group(s) you want. You are shooting the nation in the Foot.

If ICE was doing anyu good, think of the FBI before, looking around trying to FIND the Big guys in the drug dealing in the USA. NOT the distributors, Those that are PAYING to get the Drugs into the USA.
Trump is using a SHOT gun, and pointing in EVERY direction he can. But what if’ those he is looking for ARE LEGAL Citizens? How many RICH sections of Cities has he RAIDED??
IF this Job was So easy to deal with, do you think the FBI would have many problems?
Try taking a Rich Citizen with Drug connections, that GETS NOWHERE NEAR the incoming or Distribution. HOW to PROVE who is the Head person to capture.

So who is left After you Kick out all the Immigrants? The Drug Kingpins who have been Hiding in plane site.

This from a nation that decided that Making Common drugs illegal, After 1900, BECAUSE you can charge MORE for illegal drugs.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Turns out the 'lazy' people 'stealing all the jobs' were massive taxpayers, who knew?

Possibly the worst part(financially at least) is that even if the entire regime disappeared tomorrow thanks to some lucky bastard finding a willing genie those billions of dollars in yearly tax revenue are gone, and will be for a very, very long time.

The deal used to be ‘you pay your taxes through this method, we don’t look too closely about exactly what your legal status in the country is’ but now that the regime had broken that trust there’s no reason for undocumented people to pay any government taxes because it will just be used against them and if they’re going to be thrown out the country either way why pick the method that results in them having less money to spend?

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