Another Anti-Immigrant Lie Exposed: IRS Records Will Be Used To Track Down Undocumented Immigrants

from the irrational-hate-continues dept

Lots of lies are told about immigrants to stoke the always-smoldering fires of bigotry in this country. Trump and his fellow Republicans have told most of them. They claim immigrants commit more crimes than legal residents, something that has never been true. They claim immigrants are lazy, something anyone who’s ever worked with any immigrants knows to be demonstrably false.

Then there’s the stupid claims that not only do immigrants “steal” jobs, they also help themselves to taxpayer-funded social services while not bothering to pay their fair share of taxes, if they even bother to pay taxes at all.

This is also demonstrably false. Undocumented immigrants pay billions in taxes every year. In fact, there’s evidence immigrants are a net positive on the federal government’s balance sheet:

The Social Security Administration estimated in 2010, for example, that such immigrants contribute $12 billion per year more to the Social Security system than they take out, he noted.

If there’s anything proven to lower immigrants’ tax contributions, it’s harsh, vindictive anti-immigrant actions and policies. Trump and his administration should already be aware of this, considering what happened the last time he was in office.

[A]s the Trump administration cracks down on illegal immigration, there’s some anecdotal evidence that fewer immigrants using ITINs are choosing to file their taxes this year [2017].

“Many of our clients are telling us that in years past they felt more hope and more of an ability to have a pathway toward citizenship and lately there’s a lot less hope,” says Max Moy-Borgen, who runs the tax program at the Mission Economic Development Agency in San Francisco…

Overall, tax service providers in the San Francisco Bay Area say there’s about a 20 percent decline in the number of people filing with ITINs. There are similar reports from service providers in other areas of the country, according to Francine Lipman, who teaches tax law at the University of Nevada.

But actions speak louder than words, even well-researched words and a massive amount of anecdotal data. If Trump and his buddies truly believe most immigrants don’t pay taxes, they wouldn’t be deputizing the IRS to help ICE track down undocumented immigrants.

The Internal Revenue Service is nearing an agreement to allow immigration officials to use tax data to confirm the names and addresses of people suspected of being in the country illegally, according to four people familiar with the matter, culminating weeks of negotiations over using the tax system to support President Donald Trump’s mass deportation campaign.

Under the agreement, Immigration and Customs Enforcement could submit names and addresses of suspected undocumented immigrants to the IRS to cross-reference with confidential taxpayer databases, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of professional reprisals.

In a normal world, this wouldn’t even be considered an immigration enforcement option. The IRS is supposed to limit its sharing of this sensitive data and, historically, warrants or other court orders are needed to gain access to individual records. In this proposed agreement, ICE and other border control DHS components would have blanket access to any records pertaining to people subject to “final removal orders.”

Of course, final removal orders are pretty easy to obtain, especially when the orders coming from the Commander in Chief are to remove as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Plus, there’s a sizable asterisk attached to this single purported access restriction:

The agreement would authorize data verification for people “subject to criminal investigation” for violating immigration law.

If so, then it will never be limited to people subject to final removal orders, which would require requests for data to be signed off on by the director of the DHS or one of Kristi Noem’s appointed subordinates. This escape valve would allow ICE (and other DHS components) to access taxpayer data solely because an investigator believes a person might be in the country illegally.

Not that the IRS is on board with this. Or, at least, it wasn’t until very recently. As the Washington Post reports, a demand for data on 700,000(!) people the Trump administration claimed were in the country illegally was rejected by the IRS. IRS commissioner Doug O’Donnell, along with agency attorneys, stated the request was unlawful.

Then this happened.

O’Donnell retired the next day, after 38 years at the tax agency. His successor, Melanie Krause, quickly signaled an interest in collaborating with Homeland Security officials, The Post has reported.

Two weeks later, the Trump administration also replaced the IRS’s top attorney, who had voiced opposition to attempts to share taxpayer data across agencies, including by Elon Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service.

While this is all very terrible, you really can’t blame O’Donnell for retiring. All that did was accelerate the inevitable by a few days. Trump’s administration would likely have fired him anyway, just like it did the attorneys that backed O’Donnell’s refusal to turn over this data.

Equally as terrible is the rationale that underlies this massive data exfiltration project. Trump and his allies always knew their claims about immigrants were outright lies. But they served the purpose of putting them back in power. Now that the lies are no longer useful, they can simply be ignored so the Trump administration can leverage what it has always know (but never said) about immigrants: they’re honest, hard-working, and law-abiding. And now he’s going to punish them for nothing more than daring to continue to exist in the face of his increasing cruel, incredibly bigoted attacks.

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David says:

So the idea is to decrease the cost of illegal immigration by focusing on removing those immigrants who are paying taxes.

Genius. There is a reason that the IRS and similar institutions elsewhere tend to provide guarantees that the data will not get shared for such purposes, and the reason is that the cost of not providing those guarantees is far too high, both directly and in consequences of the behavior of people who are already on the run from the IRS as one authority.

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n00bdragon (profile) says:

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
–Some Guy, Probably

Has it really only been two months?

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

A reminder: The difference between a citizen and a non-citizen is near-literally the government deciding you’re one or the other. And if non-citizens aren’t given due process before being deported⁠—possibly to a concentration camp in a foreign country⁠—the government will be inclined to declare its enemies “non-citizens” for the purpose of disappearing them.

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n00bdragon (profile) says:

Re:

At the rate they are going, operating a newspaper is going to be “domestic terrorism” by the end of May. For all the talk of “just wait until the mid-terms” I’m not entirely sure there will be a country left to save by that time.

The best hope, I think, is that the orks start fighting amongst themselves. They’re too incompetent to run the ship long term. Sooner or later, the whole house of cards needs to collapse when one faction decides/realizes that it’s safer to go rogue. Which, I dunno, that whole business with the Atlantic is looking awfully spicy. I wonder if someone will decide they don’t want to be thrown under the bus.

Tanner Andrews (profile) says:

Re: Re:

For all the talk of “just wait until the mid-terms” I’m not entirely sure there will be a country left to save by that time.

Also there is no sign of any viable opposition. The Dems some years ago eliminated national leadership. Now their Senate coalition is led by someone in such financial straits that he cannot afford a spine. Over in the house, they have sidelined anyone who threatens to have any utility.

At least I have been generous:

Sen. Chuck Schumer,
322 Hart Senate Office Building,
Washington, DC  20510.

Dear Sir:

Refs: Continuing Resolution FY 2025-2025.

Enclosed please find my check #7641, a contribution
of $1.00, which I encourage you to put toward the
purchase of a spine.

                   Yours &c.

Obviously it will take many generous people in order for the Dems to have a spine in the Senate leadership, and it may be that they have to share it amongst several members,but one is a start.

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Koby (profile) says:

Your Price

For the folks collecting a paycheck that contributes taxes into the SS system — this is identity theft / identity fraud. If you try to classify the payers as a “net positive”, this basically means that you can be bribed into excusing identity theft.

It is also fraudulent in that many jobs, if an American Citizen were to be hired instead, would likely require a higher wage, which in turn would pay more in non-SS taxes. Citizens are being cheated.

Finally, I would remind everyone that some workers get paid money under the table, and are therefore not paying any taxes. This means that their employers are committing tax fraud.

Anonymous Coward says:

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And yet, 12 billion a year.

Identity fraud? Bullshit.

Jobs they do, no one else wants. Keeps prices down also. As fucking anti-immigrant farmers found out immediately last time Trump took office.

But hey, you wanna get those assholes to fix the economy (living minimum wages, unions or better, an end to ridiculous financial and market instruments…) and force US businesses to bring jobs and production back to the States, you might have a fucking leg to stand on.

Get real. All that labor gone, and the idiotic tarriffs, and yep the grocery and necessity prices sure are going down.

Morons. Grow the hell up.

Hugh says:

Re: Alien Taxation

All residents of the USA are required to pay taxes on any income earned, regardless of citizenship status. It’s not identity fraud for an illegal alien to file taxes each year – it is in fact required.

Likewise, everyone is required to declare all income, even if paid in cash, even if from the proceeds of crime. Not doing so is illegal, regardless of your citizenship status.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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For the folks collecting a paycheck that contributes taxes into the SS system — this is identity theft / identity fraud.

Feel free to explain how collecting a paycheck and paying taxes under one’s own name is identity theft/fraud. I’ll wait.

It is also fraudulent in that many jobs, if an American Citizen were to be hired instead, would likely require a higher wage, which in turn would pay more in non-SS taxes. Citizens are being cheated.

And I’m sure you’ll complain any minute now about corporations exploiting the poor, including undocumented immigrants, to make sure C-suite execs get higher salaries for no good reason~.

I would remind everyone that some workers get paid money under the table, and are therefore not paying any taxes. This means that their employers are committing tax fraud.

And rather than go after the employers, you want the government to ding the workers instead.

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Koby (profile) says:

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Feel free to explain how collecting a paycheck and paying taxes under one’s own name is identity theft/fraud. I’ll wait.

If they’re here illegally, then they don’t have a valid Social Security number. That means they can’t pay taxes or Social Security legitimately. Instead, the individual either makes up a bogus number, or they steal some else’s identity. The IRS database contains these records of invalid numbers, or names and numbers and birthdadates that do not match. Yet because of the lax enforcement, they are allowed to continue working. Investigating the bogus tax records easily leads back to illegals working a job.

And I’m sure you’ll complain any minute now about corporations exploiting the poor, including undocumented immigrants, to make sure C-suite execs get higher salaries for no good reason~.

I’ll be glad to do it again: corporations should not hire illegal aliens. They are cheating the system, and unfairly depressing wages for American citizens, particularly for the poorest working Americans would could most benefit from an increase in wages.

And rather than go after the employers, you want the government to ding the workers instead.

I want to go after them both. E-verify should be required in all states, and employers who still hire illegals despite a failed check, those employers should go to jail.

Scott_in_MI says:

Re: Re: Re:

If they’re here illegally, then they don’t have a valid Social Security number. That means they can’t pay taxes or Social Security legitimately.

Once again, information from the IRS website:

“If you’re a resident alien, nonresident alien or their spouse or dependent, you can apply for an ITIN regardless of immigration status.”

https://www.irs.gov/tin/itin/individual-taxpayer-identification-number-itin

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

They are cheating the system, and unfairly depressing wages for American citizens, particularly for the poorest working Americans would could most benefit from an increase in wages.

Your fellow right-wingers would probably string you up by your own entrails if they heard you saying something that sounded so…y’know…socialist.

I want to go after them both.

No, you don’t. You really don’t. You’ve never said shit like this before, and the only reason you’re saying it now is because you’re more than happy to support going after⁠—and deporting without due process⁠—anyone the Trump administration deems an “illegal” or a “terrorist” for any reason. You don’t fool anyone here by trying to act like you have some semblance of an ideal that’s even one step left-of-center because you’ve spent so much time kissing the asses of Trump and Elon that you’re up to your neck in their gold-encrusted shit. Nobody here is enough of an idiot to believe you’re actually in favor of going after rich people for exploiting poor people⁠—and if you are in favor of that, you kinda screwed yourself by being such a delusional right-wing fuckwit for years and destroying every last bit of credibility you might have had.

Fuck off with trying to be a hero to the poor, Koby. You’re very much on the side of people who’d kill the poor if doing so would make the rich even richer.

ECA (profile) says:

Re: OMG...

OK, you get a faked SS Card so you can have ID, and File taxes.. WHO IS GETTING those payments? Not the person that had the fake number.

Fire them, Hire Citizens?? Higher wages? How Much are you willing to pay for YOUR FOOD? And then the White person asks OSHA to investigate, and then the Info and cleanup of the OUTSOOR TOILETS as well as Where are they. Then we get to MEDICAL, RETIREMENT, and about 5 other things that the OWNERS would have to write down and keep track of, For the STATE.
So these are the Better Jobs for the USA born people you were mentioning? When Automation was taking over Most of the Harvesting jobs?
THANKS.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

It’s Koby, he’ll invent whatever excuse he can to defend the inexcusable. At this point I’m starting to believe that he’s a paid spreader of misinformation and propaganda, because no one can be this oblivious to factual reality, ie je’s pretty much a rightoid version of Baghdad Bob.

So from now on I’m just gonna flag all Koby’s posts due to the sheer stupidity.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Yeah? When’s the last time you saw any non-Hispanic raised in the US picking cabbages, raspberries, tomatoes, yacon, python snake bean, bitter melon, apios Americana tuber, ground cherries, acai berries, oxcallis tuber, crosne tubers, manari, or tiger nuts, all of which are harvested by hand. And if immigrants are working in these jobs, then they’re earning enough income to be required to pay taxes to a government that won’t punish them for the ‘crime’ of contributing to the US economy, no identity fraud required.

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Phillip (profile) says:

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about ITIN = individual taxpayer identification number. These are issued to people that do not have SSNs so there is 0 identity theft.

Additionally, if they are getting paid under the table and not paying taxes then that means the IRS has 0 data for anyone to use to go after them. Therefore the only data that the IRS has that to be used to go after immigrants are the ones that are currently paying taxes anyone not paying taxes is actually more easily able to avoid ICE and not contributing to the tax base.

The goalposts keep moving, first it was all the criminals that had to go, but there weren’t enough of those, so then it was anyone who looked foreign needs to be checked, but it isn’t enough. So now they need to find anyone that is currently here and paying taxes and not a criminal. So yes the people that are paying taxes are a net positive, and incentivizing people to not do so is not going to help anyone, but it will give Trump and other idiots numbers to point to about look how many people we went after.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

This is no longer about truth, but allegiance signaling.

If I say immigrants eat babies that isn’t really a statement that immigrants dine on the very young, or even that I actually believe it, but I’m signaling to fellow members of the movement (MAGA, white Christian nationalism, the Freedom Couscous, whatever) that I am alongside them.

If I pull a gun and put a bullet into an immigrant and go to prison for it, it shows I’m really into the movement, to the point I’m willing to subject myself to restriction or suffering. Compare modern Catholics not eating meat on Fridays, or early Paulinian Christians getting castrated to commit absolutely to celibacy.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

If I say immigrants eat babies that isn’t really a statement that immigrants dine on the very young, or even that I actually believe it, but I’m signaling to fellow members of the movement (MAGA, white Christian nationalism, the Freedom Couscous, whatever) that I am alongside them.

But if we were to say that Republicans eat babies, we would only be speaking truth to power.

Compare modern Catholics not eating meat on Fridays…

FYI, many modern Catholics do eat meat on Fridays (and during Lent), unless there’s something about fish you’re not telling me.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Meat on fridays

I dare say most Catholics eat meat on Fridays and during lent, and plenty of Jews enjoy ham and cheese entrees, but some still follow the restrictions of their faith, and in those cases, it’s a personal sacrifice as a display of devotion to their faith.

The ones that either are super devoted, or want to be seen as super devoted still obey their dietary restrictions.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Self-fulfilling prophecy

Ah, there’s few things as republican as breaking a system and then pointing to it’s broken state as evidence that it was always broken and therefore they were right to break it…

The claim that undocumented people don’t pay taxes may have been a racist lie before this point but now that it’s been made crystal clear that paying taxes can and will be used against them good luck convincing undocumented people to do so in the future.

If paying taxes can be used against you, and not paying taxes can be used against you, why would someone choose the option that leaves them with less money at the end of the day?

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