37,000 Fake AI Comments Mysteriously Oppose Washington State’s Effort To Tax The Rich

from the the-death-of-informed-consensus dept

Ideally, the U.S. public is supposed to be able to comment on government policy proceedings, and the government is supposed to listen to that input.

Of course, it doesn’t really work that way: For years we’ve noted how U.S. regulatory comment proceedings are full of bots and fake comments from industries trying to game regulators, and make shitty policy (giant mergers, mindless deregulation, the elimination of consumer protection) seem like it has broad public support (remember when dead people opposed net neutrality?).

Unsurprisingly the U.S. hasn’t done anything to seriously rein in this problem. And when officials do act, it tends to be largely toothless, resulting in the problem getting steadily worse.

And that was before AI made it significantly easier for bad actors to quickly automate this sort of gamesmanship. Washington State has been exploring the RADICAL SOCIALIST ANTIFA EXTREMIST idea of having the state’s rich actually pay their taxes. That’s not been received particularly well by the extraction class, which has been making empty promises about leaving the state.

Recently the state opened up the public comment system to input, and not too surprisingly it was immediately flooded with upwards of 37,000 fake comments opposing the idea of taxing the rich:

“Beyond those individual cases, organizers said they identified 37,824 additional opposition sign-ins generated through thousands of duplicate name submissions across House and Senate hearings combined. In more than 15,000 instances, they said, identical names were entered repeatedly — sometimes 50 to 100 times. Many of the submissions were filed late at night or in rapid succession.”

The state’s wealthy (and the lawmakers paid to love them) are still trying to claim that the flood of provably false opposition to the bill only supports their claims that nobody wants the state’s wealthiest to actually pay a little more for regional societal improvements:

“Opponents of the tax, including state Republican leaders and hedge fund manager Brian Heywood, have leaned on the wave of opposition sign-ins as proof the proposal lacks public support.

“More than 60,000 people signed in against SB 6346 when it received a rushed hearing in the Senate,” Sen. John Braun, R-Centralia, said in a Feb. 16 statement. “That is so impressive that Democrats have tried to say bots are responsible, even though the Legislature blocks bots.”

(The legislature did not effectively block bots).

These are, it might go without saying, generally the same kinds of folks waging an all out war on U.S. journalism. More broadly this is a war on informed consensus, and it doesn’t take too much time looking around to see which side of this particular war is winning. Regardless of what policy you support, we’re supposed to, at the very least, be capable of a useful, honest conversation about policy.

But as we noted way back when the telecom industry was caught stuffing the FCC comment system with fake comments by fake and dead people opposing net neutrality (they even used my name, if you recall), you just know your position is a winner when you have to create entirely fake people to support it.

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Anonymous Coward says:

There has been fakery in comment sections for some time now, at least a few years. Youtube comment sections routinely have videos that get questionable comments with 60+ likes ten minutes after it goes live. I’ve always assumed foreign “counter intelligence” operations, countering the intelligence of the American public. They gotta do something all day long.

Ngita (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Auto-generated slop is not actually real, which is the whole point.

now if someone wants to gather 10,000 popsicles sticks and mail them in seperate envelopes with hand written slogans to a competition you have to admire there dedication,

But buying/writing a script that send the exact same message with the exact same name is just lazy time wasting, 10,000 times should have no bigger influence then 1 person. the stadium has been brought our to show support and you see one guy waving and clapping and then the camera pans out and the entire stadium is empty its just this one guy who spent money.

On the taxing the rich, ehh as long as they can move you won’t see significant gains and tax rules should be written well ie not used fixed amounts that in 10 years rich=merely wealthy and 10 years after that is slightly above average salary.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Auto-generated slop is not actually real, which is the whole point.

What does “real” mean here? It may not indicate real support for a political issue, but the comment remains as real as the asteriod belt (despite that being the meaningless result of random activity in space).

ECA (profile) says:

lets see

Miracle on 34th street, Santa and lawyer trying to Prove Santa is there.
FCC chair person, Showing up with #### emails saying they Like Corps controlling the internet?

Really love that the corps can get away with stuff like this, and have Done for years.
Iv Never seen/Heard when the congress ASKED that the Citizens reply to something.
NOW we have AI, and all you need do, is ask it to do the job.
Its NOT AI, if it wasnt the computers Idea.

Ngita (profile) says:

Re:

I wouldn’t want to live in a country that was under a strict enough regime to achieve that.

Would you propose the government instead spend a billion dollars a year on a department with that goal?

with inflation is say 100 years you will be talking about trillionaires and there will be entire suburbs of billion dollar houses.

Pixelation says:

Republicans championed income tax

“When Republicans invented national taxation to meet the extraordinary needs of the Civil War, they immediately instituted a progressive federal income tax because, as Representative Justin Smith Morrill (R-VT) said, “The weight [of taxation] must be distributed equally, not upon each man an equal amount, but a tax proportionate to his ability to pay.”

The rich hate carrying their fair share of the load. It’s why we have Trump as our president. He can’t stand the idea of proportionate taxation.

That One Guy (profile) says:

The Holy Grail of tech

“More than 60,000 people signed in against SB 6346 when it received a rushed hearing in the Senate,” Sen. John Braun, R-Centralia, said in a Feb. 16 statement. “That is so impressive that Democrats have tried to say bots are responsible, even though the Legislature blocks bots.

If Washington state’s legislature have figured out a way to effectively ban bots then they don’t need a single tax-dodging millionaire or billionaire in the state, they can sell that tech to every company and platform with a user submission form and make roughly all the money.

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