Don’t Kid Yourselves, Folks. Trump Is Just As Willing To Deport/Jail Actual US Citizens.
from the speedrunning-the-fascism-curve dept
The narrative during Trump’s first term is that he was going after the “worst of the worst” undocumented immigrants. But ICE and other DHS components ran out of actual dangerous criminals pretty quickly, largely because immigrants tend to be more law-abiding than regular US citizens.
Trump’s return to office came coupled with promises to deport more people than this nation ever has in its history, something aided and abetted by the president’s decision to revive the Alien Enemies Act — something best known for caging hundreds of thousands of immigrants (most of them Japanese) during the Second World War.
Towards the end of March, US citizen Julio Noriega was arrested and held overnight in an ICE detention facility just because he looked like an immigrant. Noriega wasn’t an anomaly, but at least he got to go home after just one night. ICE and far too many helpful local cops have been kidnapping people off the street, telling them their visas have been revoked. Some of these people appear to have been removed solely because they’ve engaged in protected speech this administration doesn’t like.
The still-ongoing horror of that is what’s happening to Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia makes it clear this administration isn’t even willing to fix the mistakes it has admitted it has made. Though it changed its story later, the DOJ first stated Abrego Garcia had been arrested, deported, and caged in an El Salvadoran maximum security prison accidentally.
The new narrative is that Abrego Garcia is actually an MS-13 gang member, despite the DOJ’s previous admissions in court. And the US government still refuses to bring Abrego Garcia back to the US, preferring to extend his ordeal simply because it can.
With every ICE agent and cooperative police force (federal or local) being ordered to continue this mass assault on due process, more US citizens are being treated like illegal immigrants just because no one with any powers gives a single fuck what happens to innocent people that happen to be a bit browner than the blond, blue-eyed folks they seem to prefer.
Here’s one recent event that shows the administration just wants to rid this nation of foreign-looking people, rather than expel actual threats to public safety or national security (two of the listed excuses for resurrecting the Alien Enemies Act).
19-year-old Jose Hermosillo, who is visiting Tucson from Albuquerque, says he was lost and walking near the Border Patrol headquarters when an agent arrested him for illegally entering the country. Hermosillo was not carrying identification.
Court documents say a Border Patrol agent arrested Hermosillo “at or near Nogales, Arizona, without proper immigration documents” and that Hermosillo admitted to illegally entering the U.S.
Hermosillo and his girlfriend, who have a 9-month-old child together, live in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and are visiting family in Tucson. He says he has never been to Nogales.
Now, there are going to be people rolling into the comments with their bad faith arguments about “who doesn’t carry their ID on them at all times.” Fuck that. This isn’t a “papers, please” nation. At least, it’s not supposed to be. We’re supposed to be able to freely move about without having to prove our nationality if we’re not, you know, actually crossing a border.
As for the Border Patrol statement, it’s obviously a lie the agent never thought he’d be caught making. It’s unlikely Hermosillo “admitted” to being in the country illegally. If any such “admission” was made, it was under duress. Furthermore, Hermosillo is a US citizen, which means he couldn’t have produced “proper immigration documents” no matter how many times this officer demanded to see them. If he’d had the documentation with him, he could have shown he was a US citizen, but a state ID or driver’s license is not an “immigration document.” It’s proof of citizenship.
He was immediately released after his family provided the judge with his identifying info. But if his relatives hadn’t acted as quickly as they did to locate him, chances are he’d already be on a bus on the way to plane that would fly him to some foreign country he’d never lived in, much less visited.
This isn’t an anomaly. Here’s another incident that involves someone being treated as an illegal immigrant despite being a US citizen and never once crossing a US border.
A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate showing his U.S. birth certificate in court and a county judge finding no reason for him to be considered an “illegal alien” who illegally entered Florida.
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, 20, was arrested Thursday evening by Florida Highway Patrol and charged under a state immigration law that has been temporarily blocked since early this month. Details of Gomez-Lopez’s arrest and detention were first reported by the Florida Phoenix news site.
Lopez-Gomez never “illegally entered” Florida. There’s a new state law in Florida that allows the state to add state criminal charges for “illegal entry” into the state, but this US citizen was in a car driving from Georgia that managed to run into a bunch of badge-wearing thugs who used the new law to turn him over to ICE.
This move allowed the local cops to prevent a US citizen from being released from an ICE detention center, despite showing proof of citizenship to a county judge. The judge said the paperwork was legit, but it was out of her hands because Lopez-Garcia was now in federal custody. ICE held him for two days before releasing him, and likely only did so because people were advocating on his behalf.
Speaking of advocates… the DHS claims this is just a clerical error, but I have my doubts. It seems more like deliberate intimidation under a thin veneer of plausible deniability:
When Massachusetts resident Nicole Micheroni received an email on Friday from the federal government telling her to leave the country, she was baffled.
“At first I thought it was for a client, but I looked really closely and the only name on the email was mine,” said Micheroni. “So it said my parole status had been terminated and I should leave the country within seven days.”
But the 40-year-old is a U.S. citizen, born in Newton and raised in Sharon.
“Probably, hopefully, sent to me in error,” she said. “But it’s a little concerning these are going out to U.S. citizens.”
Nichole Micheroni is an immigration attorney. The letter sent to her told her that her permission to remain in the country had been revoked and strongly suggested she “self-deport.” When confronted about this threatening email, the DHS said CBP (Customs and Border Protection) used “known email addresses of the alien” to send out these self-deportation orders. If the target of the email had listed their attorney’s email address as a contact, then the CBP sent the threat to an “unintended recipient.”
Even if it’s only an error, it’s far from harmless. First, there’s real reason to believe the DHS and its components are willing to do whatever it takes to limit opposition to their mass deportation programs, even if it means “mistakenly” ordering immigration lawyers to self-deport.
Second, if it is only an error, it’s inexcusable. When you’re in the business of depriving people of rights and liberty (even with lawful actions), it’s of extreme importance to get all of your facts straight before taking action. Sooner or later, these threats become shows of force, and there’s little reason to believe any ICE/CBP officer armed with little more than a warrant full of boilerplate and an email address would think twice before arresting, jailing, and — if things move fast enough — expelling US citizens. After all, they don’t care about the facts. And they can always ask for forgiveness later — something they’re sure to earn from federal courts because it’s all but impossible to win a civil rights lawsuit against a federal officer.
With all of this going for them, the enforcers of immigration law aren’t going to care much who gets caught in the crossfire. Neither will the bigots backing this president, both on Capitol Hill and inside voting booths. But being on the fence about this won’t get you any comfort here. This is nothing but evil wrapping itself in the sanctimonious rhetoric of “national security.” Giving this a pass because you think residing in a country illegally is worse for the nation than eliminating due process, trampling on constitutional rights, ignoring federal court rulings, and excising whatever’s left of your conscience just means you’re no better than the people currently in power.
Filed Under: dhs, donald trump, due process, ice, immigration, mass deportations


Comments on “Don’t Kid Yourselves, Folks. Trump Is Just As Willing To Deport/Jail Actual US Citizens.”
The only people that thought differently spent the past decade telling everyone else to “Fuck their feelings” and are now entering the FO portion of this program.
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Those people still think they’re winning. It’s only when a given one of them is personally affected that they realize their own face was leopard meal all along. Some of them even try to convince their former allies of what they’ve discovered, only to be met with the exact same type of frustrating BS they used to spew.
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These are the same “people” the believe the Left is a gaggle of violence, while… checks notes… praises literal Nazis, drives through crowds of people, cheer the orange turd speedrunning getting strung up as a traitor, think this is all because of brown people they don’t even know, attacked the Capitol because they lost an election, and more.
They don’t think. They just shit their pants and get angry when Faux News told them it was somehow their neighbor that shit the very pants they are wearing.
False confessions
It’s quite possible Hermosillo made those admissions. Just like the people who have been positively proven innocent of the murders they confessed to committing. It’s horrifyingly common.
Before I was a US citizen, I carried a legally-obtained driver license. They are not proof of citizenship, although, depending on the state, they are likely proof of legal residency (California issues driver licenses to people who cannot provide proof of legal residency).
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An United States state driver’s license is not proof of citizenship.
@whoever [sic]
They are not.
What a driver’s licens is is a printed certification of a temporary privilege to drive on public roadways.
What an identity card is is a printed certification of the name and other particulars (such as date of birth) at the time of printing.
Both have expiration dates, following which governments refuse to accept them as valid identification documents (IDs). Despite my face not changing and my name not changing I can’t board a flight in the US with an expired license or ID.
Anyone can go to any MVD/DMV office (or 3rd parties like we have in Arizona) and get a DL or ID, and then drive off to where they really live — not an address on the card.
This has been discussed long and hard (“long and hard,heh heh”) because Arizona changed its voting ID requirements. A US passport is no longer sufficient. Neither is an ID issued by any US agency that doesn’t show a specific living address. Instead we have to “supplement” that passport or ID with a utility bill. Social Security cards (which show your full SSN) are not accepted.
It’s all part of the Republicans’ long game to create an authoritarian Christian society with binary genders, everyone carrying papers, on-street rendition, and the loss of Constitutional rights.
Our Constitutionally provided liberties ARE rights, not privileges, and yet the POSs in Congress and SCOTUS allow the Project 2025 Aholes to do what they like. No checks, no balances, except for writing their friends checks and watching their friends’ bank account balances go up.
Thus further affiant sayeth naught.
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FWIW, some state driver’s license are proof of citizenship. According to NYS an Enhanced driver license, which requires a birth certificate to get, can be used crossing the border and back with Canada. Not sure if the Real ID that is required for domestic flying is the same.
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Here in WA we have both, and I’d assume all other states have a similar situation.
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The last time I changed my address on my DL, I was required to show proof of residency, although proof of ownership was accepted as proof of residency.
I received a Real-ID compliant driver license — I did not see an option to get a non-real-ID compliant DL.
I have found that Global Entry cards, which are Real-ID compliant ID cards are not accepted at the state level.
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Anyone can go to any MVD/DMV office (or 3rd parties like we have in Arizona) and get a DL or ID, and then drive off to where they really live — not an address on the card.
ORLY? òÓ
Arizona sounds like a hoot. No mandated tsa-type id with multiple proofs of residency? Maybe the state should be deported.
Whats funny is: is we were to believe the narratives (and the staged pictures), then we would be lead to believe that these “camps” are helping “dangerous gang member” to be sitting around drinking margaritas. The Administration and its “partners” can’t help but undermine each other.
It’s all actually kind of impressive how bad they are at being remotely plausible.
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Margaritas were a test.
MS-13 members would asked for sometime stronger like a tequila.
But God only knows what Abrego Garcia asked, since he’s still imprisoned.
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Not OP, but to clarify, those “margaritas” were staged by Bukele, and neither Garcia nor Van Hollen drank from them.
https://www.latintimes.com/senator-who-visited-abrego-garcia-exposes-margarita-gate-setup-el-salvadoran-president-bukele-581223
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In their shoes I wouldn’t have touched the drinks either even if they weren’t staged props, no telling what might have been slipped into them.
He hates non white people, but he hates anyone and everyone who slights or inconveniences him in any way a million times more and once he starts deporting political opponents to slave labour camps in El Salvador, he won’t just stop at people on the left. How many people who were fairly far right has he turned on? How many people did he add to his grudges list for having ambitions? How many will be marked for exile for saying no?
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They Got You Covered Already
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukWk2gQtjs
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Goddamn, you’re pathetic. Not an ounce of empathy or willingness to admit to being wrong. I’d pity you, but you haven’t earned it.
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Say Koby, what do you call someone who make up lies and excuses in an effort to distract people from actual crimes?
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@Rocky:
“Mr. President.”
Alternate answer: SECDEF
Alternate answer #2: Mr. Miller
Holler if you need more.
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A Republican.
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Sorry hun I’m not clicking on a Quisling link.
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That’s embarrassing, even for you.
The best you can come up with is a comic made by a Nazi that does what it pretends actual reporters do: lying and misleading.
Pathetic waste of space.
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That’s pretty sad… but I guess technically you’ve merely outsourced your own attempts at fact-free lying to a (literally cartoonish) fact-free lying YouTube channel.
I’m not sure how you think this helps make your case.
But don’t feel too bad — you did at least manage to highlight, rather effectively, just how pathetically inadequate YouTube’s moderation policies continue to be.
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I love it when
lowno information trolls link to the sources of their propaganda so we get to actually see these “sources” that purport to “prove” their claims are actually just citation-free memes that only 4chan basement dwellers would find credible.And the US has already functionally deported US citizens when it threatened to abduct US citizen children of undocumented parents unless the parents took their children with them when being deported, including a US citizen child recovering from brain cancer.
I know you don’t care, Koby, because you probably think birthright citizenship shouldn’t be a thing, but human beings with functional empathy would find this abhorrent.
And on the other hand...
They’re so worried about depopulation due to the low birth-rate that they’re exploring incentives to improve fertility. You know another way to stop depopulation? Stop going crazy on immigration.
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What also helps:
Guess how many of those Republicans support not through words, but through their actions as lawmakers.
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You forgot one: access to abortion where the pregnancy is likely to kill the carrying parent.
You don't like us aliens? We'll take our money, get back on the UFO and go home.
The US is shooting itself in both feet with this border hysteria. I look forward to a long list of “aliens” that the US does want packing their bags and going home.
For instance:
Canadian tourists represent 140000 US jobs and $20 billion/yr in revenue… and the US can kiss it all goodbye. Ditto for whatever money is coming in from the EU or any of the other countries that Trump has threatened (so no Panama hats for you, chumps!).
If this is how badly you treat a US citizen in the US, no one is going to risk driving anywhere near Florida with Windsor – Ontario – Yours to discover on their tags.
And that’s quite separate from the boycott that’s been going on with items the US attempts to export abroad. I’m sitting a dozen miles from the Ontario-New York border and there’s not a bottle of Jack Daniels or of California wine to be seen. That’s only going to get worse.
Re: You don't like us aliens? We'll take our money, get back on the UFO and go home.
@carib:
^^^^^ THAT!!!! Very well written/spoken/said.
No man is an island. — John Donne
We’re an island — Monroe doctrine [revised]
We have the stupidest people trying to repeat an 1823 mistake, a 1928 mistake, and a 1955 mistake all while their stupidest colleagues do NOTHING WHATSOEVER – me just now.
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I’ve never heard of a doctor that crossed the boarder illegally in order to practice medicine here in the United States.
Additionally, most of the folks who have legally immigrated don’t like the gangbangers, even those from their country of origin. Many came here to escape from those folks, not to embrace them. You are too entrenched in identity politics to realize that most of them support deportations.
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The opinion of someone too entrenched in support of human trafficking is devoid of factual, legal, and moral value.
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Until they’re the ones being deported (or jailed in a foreign country) on suspicion of being gang members without due process; after that, every other legal immigrant doctor in the country is going to begin looking for an exit strategy before they’re next.
Writing’s on the wall, and the fact that you’re illiterate doesn’t mean nobody else can read it either.
Re: Re: Speaking of illegal cross border medicine.
Did you ever find a single illegal drug dealer paying the tariffs on fentanyl that you claimed there was no medical use for?
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Tell me you got your education in a red state without telling me you got your education in a red state.
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OMG dude you made me spit out my drink. ^5
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Koby, many of the people being rounded up and shipped out CAME HERE LEGALLY.
Why do you always lie?
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you that makes you ALWAYS lie in defending Trump?
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Koby wants to live under fascist rule, plain and simple. He thinks he’ll never be affected by it, and right now, it’s affecting all the people he hates (i.e., anyone who isn’t a White cishet conservative Christian). But even if that changes, he’ll still find a way to justify fascism. Maybe he’ll say he deserved to have his rights violated because he dared to believe for a picosecond that Trump isn’t God.
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Sunk cost fallacy. Koby has invested his identity in Trumpism so much that accepting he was wrong and wasted so much time (and possibly meager campaign donations and Trump crypto shit coin and NFT investments) would be crippling to his ego that he must absolutely conclude that he made the right decision. So it’s definitely the children who are wrong and not Principal Skinner-Koby. Although he’s really more of an “old man yells at cloud” meme at this point.
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To be excessively fair to Koby, if he’s going to defend his mancrush, he has to lie. The truth always makes Orange Man look bad.
Sure, he could try not defending the Tangerine Toddler, but – ERROR 404 REALITY NOT FOUND. BLUESCREEN. BLUESCREEN. RESTARTING. – so yeah, makes perfect sense.
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And I haven’t heard of a republican that wasn’t a pedophile.
So koby. Do you rape your kids? Or are you just a nazi?
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I’ve already expressed disdain for AC trolls. This one, however, seems to confuse binary logic.
What if he is a rapist AND a Nazi? Just saying you need to work that binary logic out…
And if you don’t know him, probably calling him ANY of those things is a poor idea. But hey, you do you.
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Koby isn’t popular around here for very good reason, so it’s interesting that you would defend him.
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How would we know exactly they are gangbangers when the US is skipping the whole “Prove they committed crimes” step?
Are you really this myopic?
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I’ve never crossed my boarders illegally or otherwise because I rely on the rental income they generate.
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Also, people working for foreign suppliers will think twice about doing on-site support.
I myself was asked to get on a plane to the US and support solving an issue with our products. I refused.
I feel they don’t pay me enough to risk being swept up in some ICE razzia and send to a Salvadorean prison. While being thoroughly white, if you squint you could think otherwise (I have a number of ancestors from different European countries). Also if they check my socials (few as they are) I’ll for sure not come off as a big supporter of the current regime.
“Check your privilige” suddenly got a new meaning for me…
GOES card
@whoever:
Yeah, same experience here. I have my card in my passport pouch (Farraday) and was turned away at the polls for a federal election. They insisted on a utility bill. As it turned out, in my car was some spam mail with my name and address and THAT made it all ok.
If you have a native American ID they’ll accept that even if the name has accents that don’t match the voter rolls and even if the address uses local-designations that don’t match county/state addresses.
None of this has anything to do with voter fraud. Enough studies show the only fraud is Republicans moving their mouths. And yet, money is spent, people are turned away.
How about them Cyber Ninjas. Sure made a lot of cash, hurt the process, delayed the vote, and then took their money and ran.
'I regret to say I made a terrible mistake: I got caught.'
I guarantee you that in minds of the horrible people at ICE, DHS said CBP the only ‘mistakes’ they’ve made is that they went after someone who was willing and able to fight back.
Person-who-entered-illegally-says-what?
The questionable claim of admission seems to have been a problem for Mr. Lopez-Gomez as well:
I suspect that any sort of “admission” came from a response to a “person-who-entered-illegaly-says-what?” style question that routinely gets asked
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Probably something like “Have you stopped entering the US illegally?” to which the only logical response would be “I have never entered the US illegally,” whereupon the Venezuelan “gang members” get accused of dodging the “yes-no” question and detained for trafficking to CECOT.
ICE is without hyperbole the US Stasi.
Secret police that obey no laws, ignore the consitution, are immune from prosecution OR consequences and have been literally rounding up “suspects” for disposal.
Exactly what happened in germany from 1930 onwards but they’re getting to the gas chambers and mass crematoria for ‘undesireables’ a lot quicker these days..
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I assume you mean the Gestapo (or as MTG would say the Gazpazzo Police).
The Gestapo (Geheime Staats Polizei or Secret State Police) were Nazi thugs that were doing most of the arresting and torturing of “unwanted elements”, meaning mostly Jews and resisters. They were more or less given a free hand to do whatever, like ICE now.
The Stasi (Staats Sicherheit or State Security) was a post war ministery in East Germany. They were mostly involved in collecting information wholesale. They collected info on everyone in huge archives. I think the best comparison here would be the NSA.
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MTG would actually say “Gazpacho police.” Just an FYI.
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Now support wife beater gang members?
Stopped in to see how the lunatic asylum is back to writing about tech news instead of Trump. First article in, nope. Now Techdirt believes it’s a winning position to support a wife beating illegal who was suspected of human trafficking, drug trafficking and was ordered deported. Yikes
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I thought I smelled the stench of failure.
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I mean, I know you’re an ignorant fool, but most everyone can see the reality which is that Techdirt believes in due process for everyone.
It also believes when the US gov’t feels the need to lie and make obviously false claims about wife beating, human trafficking, and drug trafficking, they must really be trying to hide some shit.
And, no, he was not ordered departed. He had legal status in the US under the ruling from the immigration judge.
The only Trump Derangement syndrome comes from fucking idiots like you who are so deep in the lies and nonsense that you wouldn’t know truth if it was rammed directly into your thick skull.
COLD TOMATO BASED SOUP SERVED BY A WITCH
@Narcissus, you called that one.
If it wasn’t 0320 local I’d laugh out loud, but I don’t want to have to explain why I woke other people up, you know? 🙂
Your reflection in the water is the story of legends.
The Real Truth
Video and audio and thinking we’ll never see:
Cops: WHERE ARE YOU FROM DON’T MOVE DON’T SAY ANYTHING ON THE GROUND DON’T MOVE.
Jose Hermosillo: [thinking] I think they said what’s your name and don’t move.
COPS [Interrupting each other] WHERE ARE YOU FROM DON’T SAY ANYTHING ON THE GROUND DON’T MOVE
Jose [gives his name] “Hermosillo”
COPS: [unnamed man refuses to identify. Came from Hermosillo. Illegal. Need to arrest.]
Hanlon’s Razor.
For those of you who don’t live near the US southern border, Hermosillo is a town just south of Nogales AZ/MX on the same “freeway” (US I-19, Mexico-15).
And then they wrote up a fake report that listed his location in Nogales (AZ/MX) instead of Tucson where he and his family were visiting from Albuquerque (NEW Mexico US) legally.
Are you sure that was the cause, because I’m thinking the guy’s name may have served as justification.
HAMAS beats their wives; when did you stop beating yours?
The classic expression is “When did you stop beating your wife” because the begged question is “were you beating your wife to begin with” and the assumed close is “Did you stop doing that?” [criminal thing you shouldn’t have been doing.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI
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