RFK Jr. Blames Malnutrition For Measles Outbreak’s Severe Illnesses And Deaths

from the just-eat-more dept

Let’s stipulate something before we dive into this post so that there is no misunderstanding: the rise of the anti-vax movement did not begin with Donald Trump’s foray into American politics. It’s been around since well before 2016, slowly but surely gaining momentum among a strange combination of West Coast liberal elites and a certain portion of conservatives. It gave rise to once-eradicated diseases for some time and was then supercharged by the bevy of misinformation and speculation around the COVID vaccines.

But Trump hasn’t helped. The eradication of truth as replaced by speculation, the “I’m just asking questions” routine, and a willingness to say anything that comes to mind with no thought to the consequences have all combined to propel the anti-vax crowd further than it has ever gotten. That is especially obvious with Trump putting the living avatar for the anti-vax movement, RFK Jr., in charge of the health of our nation.

Is RFK Jr. anti-vax? It depends on which day you ask him and where you are doing that questioning, it appears.

Kennedy said in his NPR interview that vaccines were “not going to be taken away from anybody”. He says he wants to improve the science on vaccine safety which he believes has “huge deficits” and that he wants good information so people “can make informed choices“.

While Kennedy has denied on several occasions that he is anti-vaccination and said he and his children are vaccinated, he has repeatedly stated widely debunked claims about vaccine harm.

One of his main false claims – repeated in a 2023 interview with Fox News, was that “autism comes from vaccines”.

His answers are so all over the map that anything can be true, which means nothing is. And that sort of thing isn’t relegated only to whatever his actual stance on vaccines is. You get the same thing when it comes to the recent outbreak of measles in the American south. Should people get vaccinated in that area, where under-vaccination is a problem? RFK Jr. said yes and with an impressive amount of force in a March 3rd post on the HHS.gov site.

Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

The current Texas outbreak has predominantly affected children, with 116 of the 146 cases occurring in individuals under 18 years of age. The DSHS reports that 79 of the confirmed cases involved individuals who had not received the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, while 62 cases had unknown vaccine status. At least five had received an MMR vaccine.

Great, except we have a couple of problems here. The measles outbreak began in January. RFK Jr. was confirmed as the HHS Secretary on February 13th. Why did it take until March 3rd to recommend vaccination?

And why is RFK Jr. now saying some incredibly stupid things about measles and disease in general that seem to point to other strategies besides vaccination?

While vaccines are widely regarded as the first line of defense, some experts have suggested that nutrition plays a role in reducing the severity of the disease.

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. discussed the topic during a recent exclusive interview with Dr. Marc Siegel, clinical professor of medicine at NYU Langone Health and Fox News’ senior medical analyst.

“We need to understand the relationship between good health and chronic disease,” RFK Jr. told Siegel. “If you are healthy, it’s almost impossible for you to be killed by an infectious disease, in modern times — because we have nutrition … and access to medicines. What we need is good science on all of these things so that people can make rational choices.”

Read that again. “If you are healthy, it’s almost impossible for you to be killed by an infectious disease.” I will assume that this inartfully worded statement is saying that if you’re otherwise healthy then it’s nearly impossible to die from an infectious disease. I also have zero idea as to what evidence RFK Jr. is basing that on. And the “rational choices” line is obviously a subtle nod to the anti-vax crowd, though it’s carefully worded so that Kennedy can deny that.

But come on: there are a ton of infectious diseases that can kill you quite easily, even if you’re eating habits are tip top. AIDS comes to mind. Ebola, Smallpox, and all kinds of bacterial infections as well. This isn’t secret information and the HHS Secretary saying otherwise is bonkers.

Folks, this is dangerous. A lack of clarity on the best plan to re-eradicate a disease we declared gone decades ago is going to prolong this outbreak and spur on others. The main victims of this disease are fucking children. The first death of this outbreak was a school-aged child. Measles should be a mere nightmare in 2025. Instead, the nightmare has become real through misinformation, doublespeak, and the distrust in science that has been in a supercharged state ever since the current President presided over the worst health crisis in a century during his first term. Largely because that same President decided he’d rather deny simple facts and/or find something/someone to blame than deal with reality and provide actual leadership.

Now, it’s not as though the concept that people who have access to quality nutrition will respond to measles better is wrong in and of itself, to be clear. That’s almost certainly true. The problem is several fold: the administration RFK Jr. works for is cutting nutrition programs from the government, vaccines work even for those suffering from malnutrition, and, because of the quality of our healthcare, malnutrition plays much less of a role in the United States than other countries.

Dr. Jacob Glanville, CEO of Centivax, a San Francisco biotechnology company, agreed that measles is more likely to severely affect children in developing countries who are extremely malnourished.

“Historically, less than 1% of American children die from measles, while the Pan American Health Organization reports that as [many] as 10% of children die from measles in some developing countries, and it has been reported as high as 25% to 50% in a study of malnourished African infants,” he told Fox News Digital. 

The lack of quality medical care in many areas of the developing world also contributes to disease severity, Glanville noted. 

“While better nutrition is important for American children, it’s unlikely to make a difference when it comes to measles infection or severity — 90% of well-fed but unvaccinated American children exposed to measles will become infected, around 20% of those children will be hospitalized, and 0.1-1% of those children will die.”

But when it comes to RFK Jr., the man simply cannot be clear. Because, I suspect, he is an anti-vaxxer at his core. He has to pretend otherwise now, first to be confirmed as HHS Secretary and now so a larger uproar over his post there won’t begin. But responses like those below simply don’t help.

RFK also recognized the importance of vaccines, noting that the HHS is “making sure that anybody who wants the vaccine can get that vaccine.”

“The measles vaccine protects the community,” he told Dr. Siegel. “We are recommending that people in this country get vaccines … [and] we are also respectful of their personal choices.”

There was no need for the last part of that statement. It’s what the vaccine skeptics will glom onto, refusing to vaccinate their children, harming herd immunity for these solvable diseases, and endangering us all.

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Bloof (profile) says:

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When they don’t get the results they’re hoping for they’ll refuse to release the findings to democrats then scrap it entirely when they find there’s no way to spin it in a way that it says what they want it to to the public either, like the voter fraud investigation during the first term.

Bet you at least half of the people he ropes in to carry out the study have been on Joe Rogan pushing Ivermectin.

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mcinsand says:

"some experts have suggested" is basically "they say"

Whenever someone starts something with “they say,” my ears basically shut down. “They say” does not prop up anything that follows. “Some experts” has the same effect. If the person can’t cite even one specific “expert,” then the words that follow are empty.

ECA (profile) says:

Lomg agp, and far awy

I was in Shriners Hospital. Shriners has 1 BIG ruleAs this is Not a 1-2 in a room atmosphere, This is a Long room, with over 40 kids in beds, doing very little.
That Rule is, NO CHILDREN ADMITTED, unless requested.

Some stupid family decided to Sneak The Brother of 1 of the Patients in, For a B day surprise?? NOT knowing that a Friend of that Brother had Mumps. 6 kids infected and I ended up Passed out for 2 weeks.
Do understand this is the 60’s

Then along comes this Compressor powered device for injections… Wonderful everything in 1 shot.
Line up at school, and NO ONE CHECKED the pressure on the gun, WHILE kids walked away in pain, from Something they were TOLD was PAIN LESSSSS.

Good luck folks, its another rocky road.

PS. If he wants to Fix Nutrician? FIX THE FOOD PROCESSING and feeding Chicken with feed that makes them Thirsty, and adds about 4 Pounds to the Chicken in WATER weight.

John85851 (profile) says:

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Of course the government is going to help with proper nutrition. That’s why they’re raising tariffs on Canada and Mexico, which provide over 20% of our fruits and vegetables.
And it’s not like fruits made in the US will have lower prices to compete: all prices will go up.

So once again, it’ll be cheaper for lower income families to get fast food instead of buying vegetables.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I’m all for improving the quality of food available to the public, especially if that means improving the quantity of quality foods available to poor people.

But acting like “eat a good diet” makes a better preventative/treatment for diseases like measles than actual vaccines and medication? That’s going to get people killed, and every one of those deaths should be laid on the hands of RFK Jr. and every anti-vaxxer to whom his position of power gives credibility.

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Rocky (profile) says:

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One person died directly of having measles, how many do you think have died from health problems caused by measles later on? How many do you think suffer from permanent health problems that in the end will most likely shorten their life? Or how many became infertile?

The number one here hides a lot of collateral damage not being reported, statistics tell us that about 30% of those who have been infected later get health problems directly attributed to it.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

One person died directly of having measles, how many do you think have died from health problems caused by measles later on?

For example: Measles can cause immune amnesia, which means someone’s body forgets how to fight off other infectious diseases. The number of people who died from measles itself may be far smaller than the number of people⁠—including children⁠—who died because of other diseases they would not have caught if not for measles.

And RFK Jr. thinks everyone should be contracting the disease.

Alongside Trump and Musk, that’s three people I hate down to the core of my being. May they all rot in Hell after suffering the most painful heart attacks possible.

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Rocky (profile) says:

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And it isn’t like we scientifically know that many types of virus infections can have long-term and lingering effects on your health or other infections. This means that the very few number of actual verified incidents of vaccine harm is dwarfed by the many magnitudes larger number of actual deaths and serious health-problems from an easily avoided virus infection.

Sure, a healthy person have a higher likelihood of fighting off a virus-infection without any serious health consequences but the chance of the latter is still not zero, and that means being vaccinated is the smart choice for many reasons – like avoiding cosplaying as Typhoid Mary while putting your own life and health in jeopardy.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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The MMR vaccine has done far, far, far more to effectively wipe out measles than vitamins, a good diet, whatever snake oil is being sold by anti-vaxxers, “measles parties”, and doing literally nothing has done or will ever do. The vaccine is safe for the absolute overwhelming majority of U.S. citizens; those who can’t get the vaccine for medical reasons can be protected by herd immunity⁠—provided that enough of the herd actually gets the vaccine. Deaths from adverse reactions to the vaccine are a tragedy, but they aren’t common enough across the U.S. to warrant treating that vaccine as anything but safe.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I’ve done the research: negative consequences from attenuated measles (and the MMR) are vanishingly rare, while the negative consequences of the wild virus, including death, seizures, cognitive impacts (sometimes from post-measles encephalitis, which itself can cause autism with severe or profound intellectual disability), lifelong blindness, and lifelong deafness. If I had a child, I would much rather they had vaccine-induced parotitis (as I did) from the MMR than they got any of the diseases vaccines protect against with all the very real risks associated with them.

Maura says:

On Autism and Vaccines

not for nothing, even if vaccines did play a role in some kids developing autism (they do not), autism in and of itself will not kill a kid. Autism comes with a great many challenges both for
autistic individuals and their families, and we don’t yet fully know why some people are autistic. I can understand why people, desperate to understand why, cling to this notion, but like, an autism diagnosis isn’t a death sentence. In many instances, autism is completely conducive to a full and happy life. Measles, Mumps, and Rubella on the other hand, CAN kill people. So like I think I’d gamble on the autism. Plus we can’t prevent or cure autism. We just don’t know enough about it yet. Wanna know what can be prevented, though? Measles, mumps, and rubella. So like vaccinate your effing kids. Even if you believe they cause autism, there’s still reasons to get vaccinated. There are somethings, believe it or not, that are worse than being on the autism spectrum.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Even if they were right they'd still be horribly wrong

That really is one of the most damning counters to the anti-vax/pro-plague ‘argument’, as if for the sake of the argument you assume for a moment that they were right and vaccines did have a chance to cause autism what they’re saying is ‘I would rather my kid be dead or crippled for life from a preventable disease than be autistic.’

Strawb (profile) says:

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Your comment reminded me of a scene from House MD, where a mother takes her young daughter into the free clinic at House’s hospital because she thinks the daughter has epilepsy, since the daughter rocks back and forth and grunts during car rides.

House quickly figures out that the daughter is actually masturbating, and the mother takes that bit of information much harder than thinking she had epilepsy.

The priorities of parents are fucking weird sometimes.

Anonymous Coward says:

The republicans are erasing federal services and agencys cutting back on snap which provides free meals and food to children .the reason measles is spreading is because of antivaxxers on social media and the reluctance of medical services run by republicans to provide wide ranging vaccination services in Texas and other states .there should be rules children who do not get vaxxed can’t go to school at all.
The reason COVID did not kill millions of people in America is cos most people got vaxxed company’s asked employees to get vaccinated
Rfk Jr will not fully endorse vaccines as he uses words like right to choose
It’s still simple infectious disease spread in populations where there’s a significant no of people who don’t get the vaccine .
This talk of malnutrition is simply incorrect
If you get the vaccine once you won’t get measles and you won’t pass it on to children in the area

Maura says:

Autism can be a very difficult condition to live with, both for autistic individuals and their families. Autism can also conducive to a happy and healthy life. There are just so many unknowns when it comes to autism and why and how it affects certain people. However we do know the following: autism, in and of itself, will not kill a person. We also know that measles, mumps, and rubella CAN kill a person. Maybe I’m biased because I have autism and think I’m pretty cool, but like why are people more concerned about possibly getting autism (which again, can be conducive to a happy life) from a vaccine rather than getting an illness actually proven to kill people by not getting a vaccine? Vaccines don’t cause autism, but like even if your skeptical, autism isn’t worse than dying from a preventable, communicable disease.

That One Guy (profile) says:

'So what if I'm driving through a school zone drunk, it's my personal choice!'

“The measles vaccine protects the community,” he told Dr. Siegel. “We are recommending that people in this country get vaccines … [and] we are also respectful of their personal choices.”

The only reason to slip that last line is was to give a wink and a nod to pro-plague/anti-vaxxers who like to frame their decision to put the lives of themselves and everyone around them at risk as a ‘personal choice’ that while he might sound like he’s recommending vaccination with the first half of his statement his position is still that refusing to take it is just as valid, reasonable and acceptable a choice.

Anonymous Coward says:

“We need to understand the relationship between good health and chronic disease,” RFK Jr. told Siegel. “If you are healthy, it’s almost impossible for you to be killed by an infectious disease, in modern times — because we have nutrition … and access to medicines. What we need is good science on all of these things so that people can make rational choices.”

TIL: People dying from measles is nothing to do with <a href=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_resurgence_in_the_United_States#History”>an anti-vaxxer having the most public platform for promoting his schtick.

One of his main false claims – repeated in a 2023 interview with Fox News, was that “autism comes from [lack of MMR, chickenpox, and flu] vaccines”.

Which claim is true, as I’ve amended it. CDD very often comes from infection with measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, or flu and the encephalitis that can result between the ages of two to ten years old, and CDD is the only form of autism which inevitably features intellectual disability (severe or profound) as well as the only acquirable form.

Anonymous Coward says:

Good nutrition is a good idea but

in fact infectious diseases will happily kill people (or animals) that are eating optimal diets. The 1918 flu was notable for killing the young and healthy.

There are better behaviors but the idea that only the unworthy die while the worthy thrive is a bit of purity culture most promulgated by those who need to believe that they can bargain their way out of death and that if other people die it must be because they deserved it somehow.

Meanwhile, all of the commmunity-level interventions that we can do, that we have developed over the decades to ACTUALLY prevent unnecessary deaths are being gleefully scrapped.

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