New KOSA, Same As Old KOSA, But Now With Elon’s Ignorant Endorsement
from the elon-got-rolled-again dept
The censors are making a big push on the new version of “KOSPA,” which is the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA) merged with a problematic privacy bill (hence the “P”). Over the weekend, Senator Marsha Blackburn — who directly admitted the point of the bill was to “protect minor children from the transgender [sic] in our culture” — released an updated version of the bill which has some cosmetic changes to try to pretend they’ve fixed the very real and widespread concerns regarding how the bill can be used by whichever party is in charge to censor content they dislike.
As we’ve discussed, the main issue with the bill is the “duty of care” section, which has vague terminology that will encourage companies to simply remove any controversial content, rather than have to fight in court after-the-fact about whether the content was “harmful” to kids. On top of that, the bill heavily encourages companies to embrace problematic age verification tools that have already been shown to be a privacy disaster.
The key changes in the new version of the bill are cosmetic, rather than substantial, designed to allow supporters of the bill to insist it won’t be used for censorship, even though it will be.
First, it adds a weird “reasonable and prudent person” standard, which wasn’t in the earlier version of the bill, even though it did have “exercise reasonable care.” Did they think that “reasonable care” didn’t already require use of the judicial fiction of the “reasonable person” standard before? All this amendment does is rephrase the same vague standard in a way that ignorant people might think makes a difference:
A covered platform shall exercise reasonable care in the creation and implementation of any design feature to prevent and mitigate the following harms to minors where a reasonable and prudent person would agree that such harms were reasonably foreseeable by the covered platform and would agree that the design feature is a contributing factor to such harms
Here’s the problem with this, which many people don’t seem to understand: to figure out what a “reasonable and prudent” person would do is an after-the-fact judicial analysis. That means that any time something bad happens online that works up enforcers into a frenzy, they will go after any website they dislike where said “bad thing” was discussed, and insist that the platform should have “prevented and mitigated” the bad thing.
Then the platform would need to go to court and spend roughly $5 million across three to four years to argue that the “bad thing” which was discussed (but didn’t actually happen on the platform) wasn’t “reasonably foreseeable.”
Most platforms aren’t going to want to do that. Instead, they’ll just remove all sorts of content that might otherwise lead to such a lengthy, draining, and resource-intensive legal fight (including all the negative headlines that will go along with it).
That’s why this is a censorship bill, first and foremost.
It’s particularly galling that Democrats are supporting this, especially given that the Republicans will have full control over Congress and the FTC (which gets to enforce this law) and the leading candidate to run the FTC has already made it clear that he’s eager to extend the powers of the FTC to launch costly and punishing vindictive investigations and campaigns to push forward MAGA culture wars.
The new version of KOSA now also includes a section which is particularly stupid, which just says “oh yeah, don’t use this to violate the First Amendment,” which doesn’t actually mean it won’t violate the First Amendment:
Nothing in this section shall be construed to allow a government entity to enforce subsection (a) based upon the viewpoint of users expressed by or through any speech, expression, or information protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
If your bill doesn’t violate the First Amendment, you don’t actually have to put into it “hey, don’t violate the First Amendment with the bill.” If anything, that new paragraph is an admission that of course the bill can and will be used to infringe on First Amendment rights.
Along with the release of the new bill, we had ExTwitter CEO Linda Yaccarino come out saying she supported it:

Yaccarino’s support for KOSPA seems misguided and hypocritical. If “protecting our children” is the top priority, why did her boss, the owner of the site, directly reinstate an account of a conspiracy theorist who shared horrific child sexual abuse material?
Of course, during a Congressional hearing earlier this year, Yaccarino had also come out in support of KOSA, though it seemed pretty clear she had no idea what it was. At the time she claimed she wanted to “make sure it accelerates” and “make sure it continues to offer community for teens that are seeking that voice.” That is someone who has no idea what they’re talking about.
But it sounds like some politicians pounced on this and used it as an opportunity to roll this naive and foolish CEO into supporting a bill that is going to cause trouble for a site as poorly managed and moderated as ExTwitter. And, of course, Elon Musk also came out in support:

Except, of course, this bill does nothing to actually protect children. All it does is create massive liability for any website (including ExTwitter) that allows any content that can later be claimed to be “harmful to children.”
This really feels like a replay of that time two and a half years ago when a very naive and easily rolled Elon endorsed the EU’s Digital Services Act. Of course, then the EU used the DSA to kick off a big investigation into the company, which eventually led to Elon telling the very same official who had totally played Elon to get that endorsement to go “fuck your own face.”
It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the same thing play out here. If KOSA does pass, with Elon’s endorsement, and then when the KOSA lawsuits start showing up against ExTwitter, you can bet he’s going to complain about how awful and unfair it all is.
Either way, it’s yet another example of how claims by Elon and Yaccarino to be “free speech absolutists” are absolute bullshit. This law is extremely censorial.
Indeed, Rand Paul, who has repeatedly explained the problems of the bill in very clear terms, was at it again this weekend, calling it “such a dire threat to our First Amendment rights….”

Of course, Elon’s tweet about it has a bunch of flag-waving accounts screaming ridiculously about how ExTwitter is “the free speech site that protects kids” when neither is true.
Crucially, with very little time remaining in the current Congressional session, the window for passing KOSPA is rapidly closing. While there is a push from some Senators to get the House to vote on the bill, according to Congressional staffers I spoke with, House Republican leadership has remained cool to the idea so far. The tight timeline means that unless something changes dramatically, KOSPA is unlikely to advance before the end of the year. Because of this, opponents of the bill should focus their advocacy efforts on persuading House leaders to keep KOSPA off the agenda in the remainder of the session.
While Musk, Yaccarino, and KOSPA’s bipartisan supporters in Congress may claim to be protecting children, their misguided proposal would actually undermine free speech and privacy online without effectively improving child safety. Don’t let the “think of the children!” appeals fool you. Lawmakers must reject KOSPA’s flawed approach and defend Americans’ constitutional rights.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, duty of care, elon musk, free speech, kosa, kospa, linda yaccarino, moral panic, rand paul, think of the children
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Ii was told that kosa needs 18 months to go in effect IS that true ? and do you think that Platforms will implement age verification before kosa go in effect ?
Do you think that s true ?
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Hard to say, maybe they will.
I don’t know anymore, I thought this bill had finally been put to rest. Maybe it still has, but I have the nagging fear it’ll somehow magically pass anyway and ruin the internet as we know it forever.
Sure, the 18 months thing still applies, so it could be stopped in the courts, but I have trouble having faith in anything good happening after this year’s election results turning out so disappointing.
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please stop with the doom and gloom
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It’s hard not to when bills I thought were dead and buried suddenly look like they COULD end up passing anyway, with more bad bills seemingly cropping up out of nowhere every month.
Sorry for being worried about things that have the potential to stifle freedom online at best, and cut me off from my online friends at worst.
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but that doesn’t mean to resort to defeatism or doomerism
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Worrying about such things isn’t your problem. Acting like you have certainty-of-God knowledge that those things are absolutely going to happen, demanding everyone worry and wail alongside you without trying to stop those things from happening, and doing it on every other story here on Techdirt? THAT is your problem. If you’re going to be a doomer, please do it somewhere else.
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Lay off the defeatist attitude.
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Is it defeatist to express my concern and feelings of frustration over this stupid zombie of a bill that I can hardly keep track of?
It doesn’t help it’s just one bill out of what seems to be a global phenomenom this decade.
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With how much doom posting & defeatist spam?
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Understandable that it’s frustrating, but did you even listen to stephen? About how to stop saying defeatist speak cause it helps no one?
Or are you someone else also doomposting? cause if so, seems the 2024 election brought a lot more doomsayers.
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“Is it defeatist to express my concern and feelings of frustration over this stupid zombie of a bill that I can hardly keep track of?” yes it is if your giving up and saying we are screwed that’s defeatism
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FYI, when ordinary citizens have no power in the stifling of bad bills before they become law, and even afterward, it’s not defeatism to sit back and moan about it since that’s all we can do.
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It isn’t all you can do. You can lend financial and vocal support to groups fighting to keep bad bills from becoming law. You can tell other people about the bills you worry about, and ask them to both spread the word and support those same groups. You may not make a huge difference, sure. But you can at least try to do something instead of lying on the floor and crying like a child because you’re not God.
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And yet again, Stephen confuses one AC with another despite a difference in writing style. Dude, didn’t you learn anything from being successfully trolled?
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I dunno. Have you learned to stop being parasocial with people you’ve never even met?
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I’d take that as a ‘no’, AC.
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Apparently you didn’t.
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I have Heard that kosa will sink mid-size platforms
Do you think that’s possible ?
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It’d be more site-specific than all platforms of less than big-tech tier.
Damn, I hate it when I have to agree with Rand Paul…
KOSA defines a child as an individual under 13 years, and Twitter doesn’t allow user under 13 years, so what are they gonna do exactly?
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Force everyone to submit IDs. Even the crap about not retaining the info on kids is absolutely a lie, it’s just a trojan horse to kill anonymity. It’s depressing that only a handful of congressmen on both sides are opposed to kosa and its variants.
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“Force everyone to submit IDs. Even the crap about not retaining the info on kids is absolutely a lie, it’s just a trojan horse to kill anonymity. It’s depressing that only a handful of congressmen on both sides are opposed to kosa and its variants.” but age id is so ineffective it can be bypassed if you know how
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Exactly!
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Doesn’t change the burden on websites the system itself would cause.
As the article argues, they may just remove any remotely controversial or adult content outright.
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and force people to go to the dark web
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Cool it with the doomposting.
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it’s the same dude that was doom posting about chat control
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You sure?
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it was the dude that stephen had to tell them to stop saying defeatist speak cuase it helps no one and they kept on doing it in this tech blog it seems
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SureJan.gif
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You were saying? Just because some kids may sign up at the age of 11 or 12, doesn’t mean they’re not violating the site’s ToS.
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Tell you what, create a paid account on TD(so they have a reasonable expectation that you’re at least old enough to have access to a credit card) and then ask that question, that should clear it up for you.
the trans agenda
I knew I was trans as a child, but growing up in the 80s with out the internet meant I had no words to describe how I felt.
I knew I was trans as teen, but the rampant transphobia and misogyny of the era left me feeling like a monster. And as someone raised christian, I spent the next 30 years trying to pray away the gay.
It didn’t work, but it nearly ended me. The only reason I’m still here is that suicide was considered a mortal sin.
I finally hatched at 44, and I still grieve heavily for the girl I never got to be growing up.
The trans agenda is this: we are not trying to make kids trans. We just want those that are to not have to go through the same hell I did.
I got lucky in a sense that I made it and am still alive. Many others are not. If you actually care about children, then you’d want them to stay alive too. All of them.
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so sorry you had to go through that pain in your life
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So many politicians claim they care about kids, but when kids begged for the senate to not pass KOSA, were they heard? No.
They need to listen to people like you. Untill they do, everything any lawmaker says about protecting kids online is pure bullshit.
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I can’t tell you what it feels like to be a man nor a woman. What does that make me?
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A meat popsicle.
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Thanks for telling us you don’t give a crap about people who don’t identify as a binary sex without saying you don’t give a crap about people who don’t identify as a binary sex.
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Thanks for telling us you didn’t get a movie reference and you’re a troll trying to turn innocent comments into offensive bigotry because you’re obsessed with people like Stephen and trying to reverse uno card your own bigotry.
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…said the anti-trans bigot. Free clue: there are a lot of movies out there. If you expect people to work and pay taxes to support your chosen lifestyle (what’s wrong with flipping burgers, anyway?), you’re just going to have to accept they won’t have the time to watch every movie to see if there’s any substance to your claim.
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Transphobic liar.
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Weaponizing the language of inclusivity because you want to segregate your personal disfavored groups out of society has no effect on me.
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Nonbinary.
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Second verse, same as the first.
The perverted bigots are using the same arguments against trans people today that they used against homosexual people not too long ago, such that at this point it should be crystal clear to anyone watching that when they say ‘The Trans Agenda’ what they’re talking about is trans people thinking they’re human and asking for equal rights and the ability not to be harassed if not killed for the crime of existing.
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I think I still remember when it used to be “The Gay Agenda” instead.
It’s like they go with smaller and smaller minorities whenever the last one’s no longer considered an issue in their circles. What’s next, people with heterochromia or whatever other random difference in people they can paint as the work of the devil?
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In a party/group where blaming anyone but yourselves for anything and everything bad in your life is a core pillar there must always be an Other to point to and assign blame.
Gays managed to become socially acceptable enough that publicly vilifying them is no longer as effective to rile up the bigots so they transitioned to trans people, and tellingly without changing a gorram thing in the accusations being made and the ‘crimes’ supposedly being committed making clear that they’re using the exact same script now that they used then.
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And when all the Repugnant Cultural Others are brought under control, the fascists will always turn inward. Even those who consider themselves on the side of the ruling party are always one mistake away from the same fate as the Others. Fascists require an enemy; without a readily apparent scapegoat, the fascist party will always become an ouroboros.
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To once again quote a favorite video of mine; “Fascism is a loser ideology”
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You’re deranged. Natal males can never be “girls,” weirdo.
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Oh look, the anti-trans low-effort troll’s here again.
Right on cue, even.
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Not with that attitude.
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Do you still have the straw boater hat you wore to the Scopes Monkey Trial when you yelled at the science teacher that man didn’t come from monkeys? Scientific discovery has progressed since your one room schoolhouse on the prairie education.
while netchoice didn’t fully surrender with the newest KOSA update (Despite Twitter Being One Of Netchoices Members) i still fear that it’s not enough.
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wait i remember you
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Why the hell would Netchoice surrender their opposition to KOSA just because Elon stopped opposing it?
It has like seven to eight days to pass at most, and from what this article says, House leadership remains unconvinced by the changes.
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i know this account it’s the doom post spammer
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Can anyone tell me why we’re having a increase of doomposts lately?
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People are scared and don’t know how else to express it , suppose.
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Of course.
And they can’t take their minds off the fact they’ll be separated from them friends.
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idk, who are any of you people? Y’all seem to have showed up around the same time. Great that td has new readers, including some who like to comment, which is fantastic. But sometimes it seems like a bunch of 19 year-olds with 14 year-old brains suddenly appeared just to run around in the yard and yell at each other.
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Thank EFF for me being here when they linked an article here once in one of their own.
That’s also how I learned about the whole section 230 drama that comes and goes in US politics and promptly left me with a whole new fear about the future of the internet.
I’m still here to remain up to date, and because this is one of the few places I can voice my concerns and not get drowned out by cynics, like on (ugh) reddit.
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Because that’s the adult world sweetie, blind optimism isn’t helpful either.
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nor is doomerism
If KOSA is stuck, then what the hell is this thing? https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/2073
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lateist update 07/31/2024
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Still indicates it passed the house.
..Which is very weird considering there’s been no talk, not even from news media, of KOSA passing it in any form.
(No I’m not implying they snuck KOSA past somehow, moreso that this website they list bills on is wonky as hell.)
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the thing it didn’t pass the house despite what the site say as the house didn’t agree on the senate verison
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And considering they only have like 8-7 days to pass it, then reach an agreement (and then pass THAT)…yeah, small chance for anything to happen this year.
Next year I worry about, though.
But do we even have the house representives’ stance on this bill, to predict how they would vote?
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alot of them don’t want it to pass cuase they realize it will be a double edged sword
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Notably, I’m not sure X’s suggested amendments have even been officially added to the bill yet.
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I do also worry next year, as noted. Just because the republicans have a very small margin in the house, it wouldn’t mean much if enough democrats vote yes anyway in both parts of congress.
Granted, could still go down in court, but I’ve already expressed my distrust in SCOTUS or other courts ruling consistently.
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“Granted, could still go down in court, but I’ve already expressed my distrust in SCOTUS or other courts ruling consistently.”
so far they did strike down age id laws
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They did, yes.
If SCOTUS sides against Paxton in the Texas case this january, too, then it’d be an effective deathblow to those kinds of bills country-wide.
If not, though, then yeah we’ll have a bigger problem.
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👍
Re: Re: Re:6 Although...
https://www.techdirt.com/2024/12/02/christian-nationalists-and-bigots-stump-for-ken-paxton-in-scotus-age-verification-case/#comment-4193416
Still though.
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I know, that’s exactly why I’m not absolutely certain they’d strike it down.
And I hate that this is the kind of uncertainty we’re dealing with.
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Ever considered yoga, meditation or something? I think you need something to get your mind off.
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we have to wait and see
Musk is a pedo’s favorite perfume.
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Are you sure? How do you know?
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Got him!
Xitter can’t handle moderation already, how the hell does Musk think he can comply with KOS(P)A?
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Magic “Oh I’m immune because I’m conservative” wishful thinking, I guess.
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Elon’s stance towards things like ‘contracts’ and ‘laws’ seems to be the same as any other republican these days: ‘Only if I feel like it’.
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Almost can’t blame him, considering how regularly he gets away with breaking the law in ways that a normal person would lose in court for.
Call a guy a pedo and send a PI to dig up dirt? No problem. Lie about having financing to take Tesla private? No problem. Buy up more than 10% of Twitter without filing disclosure? No problem. Regularly lie about FSD? No problem. Tweet in violation of his SEC consent decree? No problem. Bankrupt Media Matters with a SLAPP? No problem. Force Tesla to buy one of his other failing companies in a clear conflict of interest? No problem.
The legal system has repeatedly taught him it’ll contort around his bullshit.
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The legal system has no teeth if you’re rich.
Which is a shame because billionaires are probably the juiciest, most glaringly obvious targets for the law.
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Yeah, I’ll condemn the rich and/or powerful for acting like they’re above the law and drag them over the coals for abhorrent behavior but were I in their shoes I’d probably hold the same belief even if I didn’t act so terribly, because all the evidence points to a system so corrupt that there very much are groups that the law simply doesn’t apply to in any negative sense.
Whoops, said the quiet part out loud there democrat supporters
It’s particularly galling that Democrats are supporting this, especially given that the Republicans will have full control over Congress and the FTC (which gets to enforce this law) and the leading candidate to run the FTC has already made it clear that he’s eager to extend the powers of the FTC to launch costly and punishing vindictive investigations and campaigns to push forward MAGA culture wars.
For the republicans it’s fairly easy to understand, they’re the party of bigots, censorship and forcing themselves into places where they aren’t welcome so it makes perfect sense for them to support a bill that does both, democrat support however… I’m guessing it’s a mix of anti-trans bigots/perverts outing themselves and/or those wanting something to point to to show that they’re Doing Something and therefore people should continue to support and vote for them, never mind what that ‘Something’ is.
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While I do prefer democrats by far, a good deal of them have a pretty bad case of ignorance, virtue-signalling or two-facedness. Sometimes all three.
Re: Re: One person wants to burn down your house. The other person isn't that one. Not a hard choice
At this point the only reason I vote democrat is because they’re not republicans and everything that comes with that, which to be fair should be the only qualification needed to vote for them but apparently the US is overrun with idiots and worse.
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Isn’t just the US anymore these days, I’m afraid.
If this is what a pendulum swing looks like, I’d like to see the leftward one sooner rather than later!
No it’s not? There are plenty of bills that don’t violate rights, that have explicit provisions about not using it to violate rights. This is a good thing, even if other parts of the bill are bad.
This phrase was in the bill previously (see pgs 48,92 in old version. pg 50/97 in new). This is more likely just standardizing the language across the bill, not an actual change.
I never understood the use of language like ‘reasonable’ when writing law. By what definition of ‘reasonable’ are we speaking about? It can’t really be denied that a lot of people define what is reasonable in particularly different ways, especially when it comes to applying law.
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One could argue that vagueness is the point.
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“Reasonable person” has a specific definition in law. It’s roughly an idealized person (defined via many court cases/precedent). It’s not the layman definition of reasonable.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/reasonable_person
(Better/longer explanation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_person. To quote: While there is a loose consensus on its meaning in black letter law, there is no accepted technical definition, and the “reasonable person” is an emergent concept of common law. The reasonable person is not an average person or a typical person)
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Since anyone echoing sentiment that this is in any way a bad sign is “doomposting” now let’s all celebrate and cheer this on instead. We’re living in the best timeline obviously.
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No one is saying “stop worrying about KOSA”. But worrying to the point where you treat both its passage and any flawless implementation of the law as such absolute certainties that you give up even trying to fight against its passage? That’s the kind of defeatist doomerism bullshit people (including me) are tired of hearing. If you want to give up and accept the fate you believe is coming your way, you go ahead and do that—but stop trying to make everyone else join you in your own private hell.
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I just want to see proof that resistance against this bill is actually working.
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The fact that Congress has had multiple chances to pass KOSA into law but still hasn’t crossed that finish line should tell you something—and it isn’t “KOSA becoming law is an absolute certainty that cannot be stopped”. And even if it does pass into law, plenty of groups will be ready to fight against it in terms of both implementing the law and attacking its constitutionality. KOSA passing is not the end-all be-all “we’re all fucked forever and it’ll be impossible to ever go back” act that these doomer assholes seem to think it is.
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True. Frankly, I just wish for the big moral craze spawning these bills to be over.
Untill lawmakers lose interest, or become better informed, I guess we’ll just have to keep beating them over the head with reminders.
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And once against the “strategy” is just “Count on someone else to do something about it.”
Well I can’t fault it, I mean it sure worked out great for the election we just had didn’t it?
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Aren’t you tired of pulling this parasocial negging that kinda comes off like you’re praying to me for an end to your problems?
Blumenthal/Blackburn must be extremely desperate to pass this garbage bill
I’m going to be honest is that Blumenthal/Blackburn must be extremely desperate and incredibly goddamn stupid to drag in Musk/X and barely change anything on KOSA.
So far the GOP leadership doesn’t seem interested in passing KOSA either but from I’ve checked this weekend is that on Tuesday the “advocates” are planning a full court press on Capitol Hill to put more pressure on the House of Representatives to pass KOSA asap.
Even I don’t advocate ill will but I wouldn’t be surprised based on how badly Blumenthal wants this shitty bill to pass he could be pushing up daisies possibly in a year or two based on his age (78) and definitely wants KOSA to be his legacy before that happens.
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The press thing concerns me, usually because politicians tend to fall head over heels for “Think of the children!!” rhetoric.
Then again, it hasn’t budged house leadership so far, still.
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Also that “ASAP” may be impossible for them, considering the time constraints.
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True on that.
This push for KOSA like I mentioned above reeks of pure desperation and lies to get the bill thru which looks likely not to pass this year.
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Yup. Still concerned about the next year, but somehow I don’t imagine it’ll be swimming on through congress either way as is.
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I get ya there.
Yea I’m not surprised MSM wants KOSA to pass so people start watching their news channels again which I definitely won’t.
Not surprised by the House GOP leadership not wanting to pass KOSA because it would give Biden a win on his way out of the Oval Office.
Lots of stupidity and bs with this bill which I figured was going to happen in especially when you get tech illiterate morons like Blumenthal and Blackburn.
Speaking of Twitter's moderation problems...
…despite Musk’s best efforts to shut off every means for researchers to measure what it’s doing, there are still several viable access points left. (No, I’m not going to share those. It should be obvious why.) This isn’t surprising: Musk fired all the qualified, competent people and retained only the sycophants, and they’re simply not good enough to figure this out.
Anyway, measurements over the second half of 2024 indicate an enormous increase in the number of clearly bogus/fake accounts. Some of them are pornbots, some are Muskbots, some are Nazibots, some are cryptobots, some are Trumpbots, some of them are combinations of these and other things. It’s not at all clear who’s behind them — but it’s probably not one entity.
Which leads to my question: what are the entities behind these planning to do if/when KOSA passes? Surely they’re not just going to shrug and write off all the time, money and effort that they put into creating tens of millions of fake accounts. They have got to have a plan: what is it?
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You think it costs anything significant to make accounts on websites? That they don’t have software that can be written up in minutes to do it for them and all they have to do is get past the captchas?
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Won’t be easy to make bots if they all have to verify ID just to access the site.
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Requiring users to send in their real ID would get rid of the bots. It would probably get rid of a lot of their remaining actual users too. I can’t imagine most people being willing to upload their IDs to old Twitter.
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“Requiring users to send in their real ID would get rid of the bots. It would probably get rid of a lot of their remaining actual users too. I can’t imagine most people being willing to upload their IDs to old Twitter” and it’s very ineffective that the age id can easily be bypassed if you know how
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It doesn’t matter if it’s ineffective or bad for business. All companies would be forced to do it effectively, even if the bill doesn’t directly tell them to.
Suppose on the topic of shitty internet regulation, any news on the UN cybercrime treaty? Reckon they planned on having it signed sometime this month.
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I did hear that something like that was coming by the end of the year. But honestly, the whole thing has been done in the dark lately. Even a date hasn’t been announced. While Biden (and possibly Trump) have indicated that they support the Treaty (flaws and all), I highly doubt that the United States would actually implement the Cybercrime treaty. For one, it requires a 2/3 of the Senate to actively pass the measure, an uphill battle made even harder by the measure’s controversial language and a small group of Democrat senators have already indicated their opposition. If the measure fails in the US, it’s a huge blow to the Treaty.
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I do know a good deal of countries did voice heavy concerns with the treaty over the years. I imagine it got approved due to the pressure of needing to present SOMETHING after 7 years of negotiation.
Now all that’s left to see is how many of them are gonna blindly sign a treaty that’s gonna cause them lots of cybersecurity headaches, and likely further headaches to try and back out of..
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I doubt that, though, in all fairness.
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Which part are you doubting?
Re: Re: Re:3 This.
Now all that’s left to see is how many of them are gonna blindly sign a treaty that’s gonna cause them lots of cybersecurity headaches, and likely further headaches to try and back out of..
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Well, yeah. I find a lot of countries pretty shortsighted to agree to creating this treaty in the first place.
And if they don’t realize how it’ll come back to bite them at first, they will later. And by then it’ll be hard to annul it.
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I still doubt it, but eh.
And just like that, KOSA seems to be dead… For now. Statement from Mike Johnson has confirmed that the House wants to further discuss the possibility for the next session. KOSA, will be likely back. But for now, we can breathe. Well done.
https://www.axios.com/pro/tech-policy/2024/12/09/johnson-shuts-down-effort-to-pass-kids-online-safety-bill-this-year
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Oh shit, really?
While I’d obviously prefer it to be dead for good (and even further prefer dead in favor of an actually helpful bill), this is at least good.
The duty of care portion really does seem the most controversial for both parties, with any luck they might at least feel incentivized to water it down next year.
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on one hand
thank god, a few weeks to prepare
on the other, crap.
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Here’s one positive. When a bill is introduced under one previous administration/session, that bill has to go through those very same steps again to pass under a different administration/session. As in it has to be introduced again, go through the judiciary again, mark-ups, etc.
Grant it, that doesn’t determine whether or not KOSA will maintain that momentum next year. But we get there when we get there.
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Saw a fairly delayed article on reddit from The Hill that JUST now reported on Elon Musk’s meddling with the bill.
It caused me a small spike in anxiety despite the article you linked here. Think I should take it as a sign to tone down my news consumption, ha…
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that, is the scary part…thankfully, 42% Of The US hasn’t changed their mind on the bill yet.
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Dude where are you getting these percentages from? And what do you even mean?
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Where did you get the percentages from?
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it’s just me guessing
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😑
Of course, you’re guessing. (Though it’s understandable, as I don’t know the percentage and have to guess.)
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btw your talking to a doom post spammer
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All things considered, the fact they’ve tried to get it through for what, two three years now? This time might be enough to knock the wind out of its sails hopefully.
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i say 2 and a half.
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but if it DOES become a must pass bill over the next few days (read an article about it) what will happen? does that mean it WILL pass?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3258330/pass-the-kids-online-safety-act-so-other-children-dont-end-up-like-my-son/
also i read this in the article
“Over the next few days, leaders in both chambers of Congress will decide what legislation will be attached to must-pass legislative packages.”
i am worried that they would think KOSA will be attached to a must-pass legislative package. no one wants their ID on the internet and yet, fate says otherwise…even if 42% of Americans won’t want this. i fear that no one will listen.
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Then make your voice heard with anyone that will listen, and encourage them into doing the same. Silence is the same as approval in cases like this. If all you can do is ask others to pay attention to this bill, do that. It’s literally better than doing absolutely nothing and expecting the worst to happen—because you can always guarantee the worst outcome by doing nothing to stop it. Complaining about your problems and going “there’s nothing I can do, wah wah wah” all the goddamn time makes me think you’d rather complain all day than do some actual work to solve them; trust me when I say that doing the work is always better in the long run. So are you going to sit and cry and wait for hell, or are you going to stand the fuck up and fight?
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It’s worth mentioning that KOSA could still be shut down within those 18 months. At least the most offending parts of it.
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but i heard from folks that social media might enforce kosa early
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Folks say a lot of things.
Doesn’t mean everything they say is the truth or how things will pan out.
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If those same folks told you that putting a new hole in your skull was a good idea, would you go grab the nearest power drill?
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that. and it’s a Christmas miracle!
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Tell me you don’t actually care about policy, but only that it’s your favorite team that makes the policy without saying you don’t actually care about policy but only that it’s your favorite team making the policy.
Spare us all the hand-wringing you disingenuous little shill.
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One side is insane and incompetent and the other side is well-meaning but gullible and (admittedly sometimes) also incompetent.
The insane and incompetent won the election because they flooded the media enough to convince the country the other guys were more incompetent than them, somehow.
They’re not gonna lower your prices or increase welfare for the average american.
You got duped, sorry to say it.
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Mike mentions the Democrats, you get triggered. This is about your favorite team mentality, not his.