Don’t Forget That The Same People Banning Books Want To Ban Porn

from the umm-no-shit-Sherlock dept

PEN America published recent data on book bans and removals just in time for Banned Books Week.

Key findings indicate that most books challenged by censorship advocates this past year focus on LGBTQ+ subject matter. Additionally, Iowa and Florida are currently the two worst states for book bans amid Republican-backed content restriction laws.

The PEN America data indicates that more than 10,000 books were removed from the shelves of school libraries across the country during the 2023-2024 academic year. The tally of removed books climbed triple-fold from last year’s tally of 3,362 removals.

Also, the American Library Association’s latest data additionally tracked 695 ban attempts with 1,915 unique titles challenged. Challenges, per this dataset, showed a slight decrease but further substantiated the finding concluded by PEN that most books targeted dealt with LGBTQ+ materials or sexuality.

These are sobering tallies as we draw ever closer to the 2024 presidential election and the number of civil liberties concerns riding on the final result. While Kamala Harris and Tim Walz have their own concerning positions, like Harris’ inconsistencies on FOSTA-SESTA and Section 230, the real concern, unsurprisingly, is on the Republican ticket, Donald Trump and JD Vance.

Trump and Vance offer a very real opportunity for the Heritage Foundation’s fascist Project 2025 to become a reality.

And, some of the key proposals outlined by Project 2025’s policy document, Mandate for Leadership, deal with adopting laws that could strip the First Amendment rights of millions of individuals. I wrote for Techdirt awhile back about the project’s effort to outlaw “pornography.”

Kevin Roberts, current president of the Heritage Foundation and now-alleged dog killer, wrote: 

“Look at America under the ruling and cultural elite today:…children suffer the toxic normalization of transgenderism with drag queens and pornography invading their school libraries.”

“Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection.”

“Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as an illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned.”

Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders…

Considering his words, the ‘Project 2025-worldview’ is a feigned belief held by far-right MAGA populists that young adult literature featuring a gender-diverse protagonist is tantamount to a feature film streaming on Brazzers.

And, it reminds us that those who are pushing book bans are also pushing laws that restrict consensual and legal online porn through inequitable age verification laws.

It’s an inconvenient, but unsurprising, truth. Consider Russell Vought of the Center for Renewing America as an example.

Vought is a Christian nationalist and former Trump administration official. His center previously published model legislation that would implement age verification requirements on virtually all websites with content the sponsor deems to be obscene or indecent to minors.

That model legislation was drafted in a way to justify age-gating and censorship of material that isn’t even legally considered “porn.” A case can even be made that this model legislation could be used to age-gate access to information about reproductive rights or LGBTQ+ mental health.

Vought was caught on hidden camera by undercover journalists not that long ago. He was pitching Project 2025 to the journalists posing as potential donors.

During the conversation, he said they intend to ban porn through a “back door.” The “back door” he refers to is the adoption of legislation that mandates age verification, like what was adopted in Texas. As I’ve covered extensively in my reporting and analysis, Texas lawmakers adopted House Bill (HB) 1181 in 2023.

Adult industry stakeholders, led by the Free Speech Coalition, sued Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton to block the enforcement of HB 1181.

After a sordid litigation history in district court and the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, the case is now before the U.S. Supreme Court. Free Speech Coalition et al. v. Paxton has developed into a landmark First Amendment case with broad implications.

Figures like Vought have openly advocated for book bans in addition to age verification measures that specifically target porn. And they do so without regard for the First Amendment.

An amicus brief filed in support of the Free Speech Coalition and the porn companies in the pending Supreme Court case makes this argument.

The amicus brief, filed on behalf of literary rights groups and book publishers, highlights the overlapping nature of book bans and age verification requirements.

The brief argues, “At a moment in which the political appetite for book banning is at an upswing, scaling back the searching review of such content-based restrictions poses an especially concrete threat to access to constitutionally protected materials.” Age verification is a “content-based” restriction.

Laws prohibiting access to books because of the content are virtually similar to laws prohibiting access to certain websites due to that content. Any argument to suggest otherwise is moot.

Michael McGrady covers the tech and legal sides of the online porn business.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

I'mma repeat what I said on that 2023 article.

Whenever freedom is eroded, porn will always go first, since few people will publicly defend it. Someone may cheer if it gets banned, but eventually, something they value will become the thing nobody is willing to publicly defend. Republicans already know this⁠—and weaponize it to a frightening degree. Same-sex kissing in movies? “That’s porn.” A book about a girl with two mommies? “Yep, porn.” Age-appropriate sex education? “Oh that is hella porn.” They know how well the phrase “protecting kids” serves these efforts. But this isn’t about “protecting” kids, so much as it’s about controlling them⁠—much like how this fight against porn isn’t about the porn, so much as it’s about opening a door to censoring content that conservatives don’t like.

And since I know some dipshit troll will try to twist what I’m saying here: I don’t support children being exposed to porn, I don’t support porn being in public libraries, and I support age-appropriate sex education because it’s proven to help prevent the sexual assault of children.

Anonymous Coward says:

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“They know how well the phrase “protecting kids” serves these efforts. But this isn’t about “protecting” kids, so much as it’s about controlling them⁠—much like how this fight against porn isn’t about the porn, so much as it’s about opening a door to censoring content that conservatives don’t like.”
yes i think that’s part of the projects goal even tho conservatives will suffer cuase of this

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: I'mma repeat what I said on that 2023 article

Well, yeah, the Nazis had already figured that out. If you really want to control the masses you need to take away their rights. And the way you do that is to remove the rights that have the fewest defenders first, and then the next right, and the next… until you eventually control all the rights, and have the masses totally under your control.

It’s not an accident that the Nazis are all part of the current Republican Party.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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A “dictator” who relinquished power willingly after his term

That was after a demand for Mike Pence to take unconstitutional action and an insurrection both failed to keep him in power. Conservatives are already floating trial balloons for the idea of “Trump should get two consecutive terms, so he should have a chance for a third term in 2028 if he wins in 2024”. He didn’t want to give up power; this is why he kept insisting, without evidence, that the 2020 election was “stolen” or “rigged”. He is already laying the groundwork for another coup attempt by alleging before the 2024 election that the election will be “stolen” if he isn’t declared the winner⁠—just as he did in both 2020 and 2016. Donald Trump and the GOP want power; they will do damn near anything to get it. That includes repeating shit-ass predictions from four years ago (“the economy is going to crash like 1929 if I’m elected”) and literally lying about legal immigrants, both to scaremonger conservative-leaning voters to put Trump back in power as if he alone could solve those problems.

That doesn’t even get into all the dangerous bullshit in Project 2025. And despite Trump distancing himself from it, Project 2025 is basically Trump policy in all but name⁠—and he doesn’t have to approve of it for the people he would put in government positions to carry it out. Donald Trump and Project 2025 are one and the same; to believe otherwise is foolish beyond belief.

running for election while showing great respect for the electoral process

As noted above, Trump only respects the electoral process if and when he wins. Even when he won in 2016, he kept whining like a child about how he lost the popular vote. You can bet that if Trump loses this year, he will do anything and everything⁠—possibly including illegal acts⁠—to try and overturn the will of the voters so he can return to the White House. The grand irony there: If Kamala Harris wins, she will preside over the certification of her own victory, and Trump will never be able to pressure her into throwing the certification into chaos.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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And yet he very peacefully transferred power to the next elected president, and is now out there meeting voters, campaigning, asking for the public’s support at the ballot box. The real threat to democracy was the Democrat coup against Joe Biden and his replacement with Kamaltoe, who no one voted for!

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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he very peacefully transferred power to the next elected president

Only after he continually failed to prevent that peaceful transfer of power.

The real threat to democracy was the Democrat coup against Joe Biden

I don’t see how it was a “coup”, since the primary was bound to select Biden and Harris as their candidates. Biden dipping out meant Harris was the logical successor, just as she would be if he were to resign the presidency before his term is up. Y’all just mad Donny T forced Biden into such an early debate and fucked up the whole “he’s too old to be president again” talking point that was clearly going to be the center of a campaign that is now focusing on [checks notes] blatant, provable, and admitted lies about people of color from other countries. Ah, good ol’ fashioned conservative racism⁠—gotta love it (but only if you’re a racist).

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Anonymous Coward says:

A waste of government resources

Let’s suppose the government actually gets pornography banned. How much are they going to spend on enforcing that ban? How many courts are going to get clogged up with porn cases? How many police officers have to be diverted from other matters to carry out porn busts?

There’s a lot of demand for pornography, to say nothing of the ease with which a person can make their own. I can certainly understand wanting to keep it away from kids, but keeping it away from adults and teenagers is next to impossible no matter how much the government is willing to waste on a crackdown.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: A waste of government resources

They’re not planning to crack down on everybody. As you point out, that’s virtually impossible.
While there are probably a number of naive do-gooders out there that really want to get rid of the evils of porn, for most of the leadership this is simply a way to exercise control.
The good thing about broad bans like this is selective enforcement. The guys in charge get to decide who they want to go after. And, if you’re a good little brown-noser you have nothing to worry about. But, if you’re the kind of person to stand up for yourself, or worse, stand up for the rights of others, they can bring the hammer down anytime they feel like it.
So, be afraid. Be very afraid.

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BernardoVerda (profile) says:

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Let’s suppose the government actually gets pornography banned. How much are they going to spend on enforcing that ban? How many courts are going to get clogged up with porn cases? How many police officers have to be diverted from other matters to carry out porn busts?

Answers: Far too much, and far too many.

Anonymous Coward says:

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It’s not so much that everyone’s gonna be in jail, just everyone that they want to get rid of.

If you’re willing and able to pay to stay out of jail, or if you’re otherwise useful to the people in power, they will probably keep you around. The longer they keep you around, the more chances they will have to squeeze more property out of you.

But, yeah, anyone that’s a problem to the people in power will absolutely be put in jail at the first opportunity.

Anonymous Coward says:

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There are zero-knowledge protocols that could prove a person has possession of a card indicating “proof of adultivity”, without revealing who’s accessing what. The government would never propose that, because a kid would just need to “borrow” a parent’s I.D. card to get around the restriction, and without detailed logs there’d be no way to audit for it. But the theoretical math has long been solved.

Before we consider interesting mathematics, we should note the lack of evidence that anyone’s been harmed by seeing pornography or reading a book. On the other hand, poorly-secured bookshelves and other furniture kill about 20 American children per year.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:2

There are zero-knowledge protocols that could prove a person has possession of a card indicating “proof of adultivity”, without revealing who’s accessing what.

And that’s the rub, nobody is interested in using such technology because it means it’s going to be so much harder to track and monetize visitors.

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Kinetic Gothic says:

You left out one bit…

They don’t just intend to criminalize porn production and distribution, they explicitly include consumption too.

Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership calls for the criminalization of pornography production, distribution, and consumption. Pornography has no claim to First Amendment protection and its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime.

https://www.project2025.org/truth/

Age verification isn’t a back door ban, if they have their way it’s a map to send the cops to your front door.

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Anonymous Coward says:

I like how Groucho Marx put it, in Duck Soup:

If any form of pleasure is exhibited,
report to me and it will be prohibited!
I’ll put my foot down, so shall it be…
this is the land of the free!

The last man nearly ruined this place
he didn’t know what to do with it.
If you think this country’s bad off now,
just wait till I get through with it!

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Illegal to exist

Having these perverted weirdos obsessing about what consenting adults do in their own homes is problematic enough but things go from deranged to dangerous when you remember how much of the current trans-bashing is based upon framing their existence as inherently ‘pornographic’.

Add in how often these anti-porn bans seems to accidentally scoop up books containing any positive portrayals of non-heterosexual relationships and/or minorities and ‘we must get rid of porn’ becomes exposed as not just a way for anti-porn perverts to force their idea of ‘acceptable’ speech onto everyone else but a way for cowardly bigots to ban anything they don’t like, exploiting kids to do it.

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Heart of Dawn (profile) says:

they also want to declare trans people "pornographic" for simply existing

They want to define trans people as pornographic for simply existing. That means that anyone who supports a trans person even with something simple like a haircut could be charged which producing pornography.

And heaven help you if your kid comes out as trans.

It’s not enough to just to try to wipe us out, they want to get anyone who cares about us too.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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You know what makes society a bad place? People like you. History tells us what happens when your ilk is in power, it’s death-camps and gas-chambers, pogroms, forced re-education, slave-labor and so on.

You are free to provide just one single example were a society was a good place when some groups of people were persecuted for .

But do keep sounding like a nazi who had a tendency to claim groups of people they didn’t like were mentally ill.

It’s easy to find out who’s actually mentally ill, it’s the one who argues for death-camps and liquidation of people they don’t like.

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Kinetic Gothic says:

They want to ban those books because they think they’re pornographic, even if they are literature.

They don’t want those books in the schools, or the libraries or even the bookstores…

Problem is, the books they go after arn’t even the smuttiest stuff out there…

If you want that, you go to the Romance section of any bookstore…

And trying to close that down is gonna be fun for them…

Because the demographic that reads that porn is conservative housewives…

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Anonymous Coward says:

Guy who has a job adjacent to the the porn industry writes an article defending the porn industry. Techdirt users chime in and claim that if you are against an industry that regularly destroys peoples’ lives, inside and outside of the industry, you want to hurt children/are against free speech/le every accusation is le confession.

If an oil baron was dumping toxic waste into a river and tried to defend it under the first amendment, people would laugh at him. When a porn company dumps toxic waste into society and defends it under the first amendment, Techdirt users defend it.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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If you don’t like porn, don’t look at it. If you think porn is harmful, feel free to say so. But you have no right to demand that everyone else live by your rules. Millions of people look at porn every day without ruining their lives or becoming sex-crazed rapists or whatever-the-hell. Who the fuck are you to tell those millions of people that you know what’s best for all of them? Because unless you’re God, you don’t know dick.

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Kinetic Gothic says:

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As others have pointed out, porn exposure is voluntary, toxic waste in a river, not so much.

But if you want to talk about industries that regularly destroy lives?

We can talk about the right wing persecution complex industry

I don’t see Project 2025 looking to criminalize that type of speech, despite it’s constant violent outbursts and the ruined lives it leaves in it’s wake.

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Jake's Opinion Matters (profile) says:

Censorship on Steroids or Nanny Knows Best

https://aflegal.org/explosive-censorship-documents-america-first-legal-releases-complete-internal-facebook-onboarding-documents-used-to-train-cdc-employees-on-how-to-censor-the-american-public/

If you follow this link you will see something I found to be disturbing. I would like to hear some thoughts about it.

Please feel free to let it all hang out!!

Btw… Trump or Kamala- we are in one deep pile of excrement.

Thanks for your thoughtful insights in advance!

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Rick OShea says:

Money, money, money, money, money, money...

They banned pot.
Price of pot went from 20 dollars an ounce to around 300 dollars an ounce. Pot growers, distributors, and sellers are ecstatic. Then they admitted it wasn’t harmful after all and legalized it… at its higher price of course.

They ban porn and you can bet porn will still be sold, but at a hugely inflated price. All of those millionaires who have a chunk of capital tied up in porn production, distribution and retail are gonna be ecstatic. Then they’ll slowly remove the ban bit by bit, to increase sales, while keeping the price at the new high.

Business as usual folks.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

Lifted from my travels…

First they came for the porn stars, but I did nothing because I was not a porn star.

Then they came for the dirty magazine publishers, but I did nothing because I am not a dirty magazine publisher.

Then they came for the pin-up girls, but I did nothing because I am not a pin-up girl.

And then we had no porn, and no one came for me.

Perhaps it says something about these conservatives who keep claiming transsexual people are porn. Maybe if they stopped watching that sort of porn they might notice that there are people who have gender dysphoria & in seeking treatment are trying to be their true selves & happy. That whole life, liberty, pursuit of happiness thing they claim to care about.

Exploiting women, by paying them very well to engage in consensual sex that they are compensated for used by others for enjoyment.

Isn’t it more exploitive of women to force them to risk their lives to carry a dead fetus? Give birth to the baby of someone who violated her? Wait until they are minutes from death before allowing them to get medical care to save their lives that might end a pregnancy (even if that pregnancy had no possibility of remaining viable).

Perhaps the main reason they are trying to call all things ‘trans’ porn is because otherwise they had to admit that some people feel they were born in the wrong body & their own personal beliefs that their imaginary skyfreind can’t make mistakes means its all the devils work.

Laws should not be based on a few idiots superstitions.
They aren’t demon possessed, they just don’t share your world view but calling them demon possessed lets you feel better about ignoring their right to not have you trying to control their life.
You know who wants you to take control over others and oppress them?? Satan. You have all played into satans hands and you are making life on earth hell for everyone else while deluding yourselves that you are actually the good guys. Good guys don’t force women to die, good guys don’t get a say what others do in their bedrooms, good guys don’t track women’s periods so they can be punished if they don’t uphold what your “morals” say they are supposed to do.

Wacky idea… you go on and on about how dog gave you dominion over the animals the land the seas blah blah blah… He didn’t give you dominion over other men so maybe get back in your lane, deal with your leaders raping children, & explain how if you have to make a gay cake that makes you part of it supporting it but giving money to a church that has covered up the sexual abuse of children for decades isn’t the same fucking thing.

Take your book of fairy tales and do fuck right off.
You assholes can’t hold yourselves to your own rules, stop trying to force the rest of us into your failed cult.

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