Elon Sued His Critics, But Reporters Keep Exposing How He’s Monetizing Hate

from the these-stories-aren't-going-away dept

There’s a type of marginally frustrating reporting where a reporter searches social media for [insert bad thing], finds some examples of said [bad thing], and writes a story about “This Platform Allows [Bad Thing]” followed by lots of public commentary about how the platforms don’t care/don’t do enough, etc. etc.

Let me let you in on a little secret: there are more [bad things] on the internet than you can reasonably think of. If you come up with a big enough list of [bad things] to block, people will just come up with more [bad things] you haven’t thought of. People are creative that way.

These stories are a mixed bag. They are accurate but not particularly enlightening. In our latest Ctrl-Alt-Speech, former Twitter Head of Trust & Safety Yoel Roth and I discussed these kinds of stories a little bit. He noted companies should do more internal red teaming, but solely to prevent such negative PR hits, rather than as an actual trust & safety strategy.

However, I’m reporting on the latest from NBC because it’s about ExTwitter allowing ads on hateful hashtags like #whitepower, #whitepride, and #unitethewhite.

Elon Musk’s social media app X has been placing advertisements in the search results for at least 20 hashtags used to promote racist and antisemitic extremism, including #whitepower, according to a review of the platform. 

NBC News found the advertisements by searching various hashtags used to promote racism and antisemitism, and by browsing X accounts that often post racial or religious hatred. The hashtags vary from obvious slogans such as #whitepride and #unitethewhite to more fringe and coded words such as #groyper (a movement of online white nationalists) and #kalergi (a debunked theory alleging a conspiracy to eliminate white people from Europe).

Elon could make a reasonable response: that while this looks bad, the simple reality is that it is simply impossible to figure out every possible awful hashtag and prevent ads from running against them.

It’s easy to see a few hashtags and say “gosh, that’s awful, how could that happen,” without realizing that millions of hashtags are used every day. Even if ExTwitter came up with a blocklist of “bad” hashtags, some would still get through and eventually some reporter would find it and report on it.

But Elon or ExTwitter never gives that response, as it would involve admitting the truth about how content moderation works. Musk and his supporters have long denied this truth as part of their willful misunderstanding of trust & safety work.

In this case, it’s still noteworthy, given that Elon has publicly promised that no “negative/hate tweets” will be monetized.

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Even worse, when organizations like the Center for Countering Digital Hate and Media Matters for America pointed out similar failures to live up to that policy, Musk sued both of those organizations. This now means that whenever anyone else reports on such things, it’s worth calling it out, because the clear intent of Musk suing CCDH and MMfA was to scare off more reporting.

That said, suing small non-profits with limited resources is one thing, but taking on NBC (where ExTwitter’s “official” CEO used to work) is another. NBC had called out similar failings months ago and ExTwitter didn’t sue then. So, either Musk is learning, or someone at the company realizes NBC might be tougher to sue.

Some of this style of reporting is a bit silly and show-offy, but if Elon promises no such ads and sues those who point out it’s still happening, no one should be surprised that more reporters call this out and highlight Musk’s failures.

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ECA (profile) says:

TV corps

Learned LONG ago how they had to deal with being Sued for news articles dealing with FACTS. Ask 60 minutes how they di with Tobacco, and a few others.
And as you have noted before. Its not that you are going to Court, Its Not that you are Correct and they cant win. ITS TIME, and how long they will Keep you in court spending Millions in Costs.
If we had a judge that restricted BOTH SIDES to 1 week to prove their side. Truth might last alot longer and faster, and cheaper.

Anonymous Coward says:

Yes, it’s simply impossible to get all the combination of letters that could give offensive terms, and it’s pretty hard to stay balanced with a function as useful as hashtags on Twitter.
I’m not saying that Twitter is trying hard enough but other services also suffer of the same problems (some hashtags are not filtered or not before days, but most of them are not obvious but based on some specific slang).
At this stage, all companies ought to know that any of them ads could be printed near to an outrageous tweet, but some continue are still paying for ads (just like Shopify, maybe the recent 20% loss in shares as something to do with with it), so it doesn’t seem to bother everybody equally.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Actually, the true irony is that no one hated Elmo just because he’s completely ridiculous and a performative joker that fails to live up to any of his promises. If anyone does hate him, it’s because of how he’s got individuals like you worshipping at his Tesla/X altar despite having done very little that’s actually positive.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Well, for starters there is the fact that all of those are directly about nazis and neo nazis who want to commit genocide.

I just searched for hashtag-whitepride on X-Twitter, and this was the “Top” result:

“Everyone else is allowed to be proud of their heritage and who they are, why not us? Stop the demonization of white culture and identity. #whitepower #whitepride #whitegods”

Where do you see incitement to genocide in that tweet?

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MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Disingenuous troll is disingenuous.

Again, how is it incitement to genocide for white people to celebrate their race and feel pride in what the white man has achieved?

White people aren’t celebrating their race when they express “white pride” or “white power.” Those phrases have context and meaning that cannot be innocently stumbled upon except by an uneducated child.

They’re advocating for white supremacy under the wink wink dog whistle phrasing that would allow people like you to disingenuously sealion except the rest of us aren’t stupid and know exactly what you’re doing. You might as well be asking, “how is it support for genocide for Nazis to round up Jewish people in Europe and mass murder them?”

Do you attack comparatively-low IQ Black people for their success in getting admitted to medical school?

Racial IQ comparisons are just more racist dog whistles. IQ tests aren’t a universal test of all forms of intelligence. They aren’t a required test for medical school admission. They don’t predict success in careers, education, or life. It’s a useless measure for the simplistic thinking crowd. Racial classification is specifically useless in IQ testing because race is a non-scientific taxonomy. “Black people” aren’t all related or carry the same genes (though I’m guessing a racist like you might think so) so grouping them together because of similar skin color or continental origin (which itself is arbitrary because far enough back we all came from Africa), so harping on a genetic component of race is likewise useless even if IQ were actually a useful test.

The irony is that you’re denigrating your own supposed intelligence by using a useless and racist talking point about intelligence. If you were actually smarter, you’d think you’d find a better argument.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

White people aren’t celebrating their race when they express “white pride” or “white power.”

How do you know?

I’m White and when I meet with likeminded fellows to discuss the pride we feel in our 97% Caucasian community’s economic productivity, scholastic achievements, robust housing market, almost total lack of renters or absentee landlords, new rail trails projects, expanded funding for parks and recreation, and vigorous enforcement of the state motor vehicle code and anti-vagrancy statutes, for example, we most certainly are celebrating our race and how much we achieve while keeping out the undesirables (who are always at the gates)!

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MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

How do you know?

Because there’s no white race. It’s an arbitrary, non-scientific taxonomy based on racist cultural mythology. You might as well be celebrating the achievements of people who are grouped by their mutual love of pistachio ice cream. Another white person having done something significant (often while benefiting from privileges like wealth and education) doesn’t have anything to do with you. And a lot of that wealth and prosperity is built off the exploitation of others, such as the colonial imperialism of western civilization.

But sure, you feel great that other white people did something special. You love being able to claim that as your own as if you to actually did something significant. That you have to resort to saying, “hey, that famous inventor had a similar shade of pale skin as I do, that means we’re a part of a great achievers club together!” shows just how pathetic your “pride” is. You might as well brag, “Thomas Edison drank water just like me!”

That you must also denigrate others based on arbitrary groupings and debunked racist bullshit to build yourself up is further proof that you yourself are insignificant and trying to steal someone else’s accomplishments for your own.

A healthy, accomplished person wouldn’t need to build himself up in such a manner, much less troll websites with his racism and uneducated takes.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

I love it when racists think they’re clever. They think, “anything you say bad about white pride, I can just turn it around and say about black pride and I’ll have them caught in a contradiction!” Except you stupid motherfuckers never understand the actual complexities of what you’re talking about. Black identity is a thing because of colonialism and slavery. It was negative identity forced upon a disparate group of people who are not all genetically related, who do not all share the same traits except for the history of oppression by white people who enslaved them, disenfranchised them, and exploited them, and black people turned it around (much like how they reappropriated the use of the N-word) with the black pride movement.

In the US, African Americans don’t often know where their ancestors came from (though some genetic testing is making some inroads on this front) so they can’t have more specific pride in the national origins or cultures of their ancestors. They were literally robbed of their cultural identity, similar to the way Native American children were genocidally relocated to English only schools. They have black identity because anything more nuanced was stripped from them through centuries of oppression.

Meanwhile, mediocre uneducated people like you have to grasp for association with other “white” people (who are often from entirely different ethnicities, genetics, regions, etc.) who benefited from centuries of wealth, privilege, and not being systemically oppressed and genocidally murdered, raped, enslaved, etc. What have you actually accomplished in your own life aside from sharing a skin tone with someone who did so much more with theirs? You don’t have to answer. If you had done anything relevant, you wouldn’t be here trolling with racist bullshit. If you have to resort to “hey, my skin is pasty too so I’m also special!” then you’re pretty damn pathetic.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Except you stupid motherfuckers

Cursing is the sign of a weak mind and even weaker character.

They were literally robbed of their cultural identity, similar to the way Native American children were genocidally relocated to English only schools.

Indians should’ve fought harder if they didn’t want to be conquered! 🤷🏾‍♂️

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MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

Cursing is the sign of a weak mind and even weaker character.

Considering what you consider a weak mind and weak character, I’ll take that as a high compliment. You glorify racism and bigotry based on debunked pseudoscience from over a century ago. So yeah, I’ll keep swearing, thanks. Also, I recommend reading into some of the studies about swearing if it doesn’t hurt your Victorian sensibilities. There’s some interesting stuff about how it can help you socially and can even relieve pain.

Indians should’ve fought harder if they didn’t want to be conquered!

Ooh, there’s that uneducated, racist edginess again where I can’t tell if you’re 12 or just 72 with the maturity of a 12 year old.

It’s estimated that about 90% of the Native Americans were killed by diseases, not through warfare, dumbass.

“Indians should have developed vaccines and treatments for diseases they’d never encountered before!”

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

And what have Indians to do with Native Americans? The two groups originate on different continents, you know.

The Dirt-worshippers should’ve fought harder if they didn’t want to be conquered, if they didn’t want to see their squaws r@ped & slaughtered. Buncha prairie n!ggers!

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:11

And what have Indians to do with Native Americans? The two groups originate on different continents, you know.

The Dirt-worshippers should’ve fought harder if they didn’t want to be conquered […]

First, again, this is just blaming the victims. They fought as hard as they reasonably could; just because they failed doesn’t mean it was for a lack of trying. There’s also the fact that they were effectively crippled by the accidental introduction of diseases which they did not yet have any defense or treatment for.

Second, they aren’t/weren’t “dirt-worshippers”. I have no idea where you got that idea.

Third, you completely missed the point. They were objecting to your terminology, specifically your calling Native Americans “Indians”. Even if that’s kinda nitpicking, you are still countering the wrong thing here.

Finally, given what you said earlier about swearing, your use of the N word is hypocritical.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

never apply the “They should’ve fought harder!” argument to, say, the Confederacy or Nazi Germany. 🤔🤔🤔

Of course the Germans should’ve fought harder. In fact, they should never have declared war on the U.S., as America and Germany were natural allies against truly evil Soviet Bolshevism.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

I’m a racist pos for making a correction?

Of course not, you’re a racist POS for your whataboutism that completely ignored the fact that black people would have had no market for the people from neighboring tribes without white people to buy them.

You are a racist pos for trying to blame a race strictly because of their race.

Can you point to where I actually did that, or is this just more projection? Oh, wait. I think I just answered my own question.

I. M. Triggered says:

Re: Re: Re:14

You are trying to pretend I said whatabout, but I did no such thing.

Black tribes were selling slaves to other black tribes before white men were ever seen. Same for native americans.

You wish to place blame, I wish to correct your mistake. I had no intention of discussing slavery and who started it.

The first slaves were white. Slavic

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:17

Again, it’s fine to mention the history of other slavery that has occurred throughout history. It should be opposed wherever and whenever it occurs. But an occurrence of slavery 4000 years ago (or who did slavery first) is less relevant than the last 500 years and the specific history of slavery in our country perpetrated as a continuing act with repercussions still impacting our population and society today. That you’re grasping for other examples of slavery to imply that we should ignore the slavery that was inherent in the founding of our country is, sadly, ironically, a significant indicator of how it is still impacting our society. The more you downplay it, the more you make its impact reverberate. You are a part of the problem you’re desperate to convince others to ignore.

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:19

I’m sorry you have to read so much out of a tiny fact.

The fact isn’t where all that nuance comes from. This is another realm where trolls and simplistic thinkers think they’re clever but are just showing their ignorance and/or disingenuousness. Stating a fact isn’t “just stating facts.” There are editorial choices being made in which facts you choose to state in a particular context which come with implied narratives.

Must be a desire to be right…

You should desire to be right at least some of the time, except that would reduce your topics of conversation to impotent rage.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:11

It actually was because you didn’t make a correction. I said enslaved, not sold. You changed the wording to try to whatabout the involvement of Africans in the initial act of selling other Africans to slavers, but the enslavement was a continuing act that happened over hundreds of years at the hands of the western colonialists. The point was the systemic oppression that is still continuing today that racist pieces of shit like you are trying cover for with weak gaslighting, sealioning, and whataboutisms. And we see what you’re doing and are explicitly calling you out for it.

I. M. Triggered says:

Re: Re: Re:12

The word slave comes from slavic. Do you know what color they are?

Whites bought enslaved blacks on the beaches of Africa from other blacks.

When talking about slavery, we are talking about a thing that happens to people, not something that happens to a race of people.

You “victims” need to get over yourselves

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:13

The word slave comes from slavic. Do you know what color they are?

And the word manufacture means to make by hand but we typically use it to mean machine-made these days. Do you understand how word usage can change the meaning of words? Slave doesn’t mean “white slave.”

Whites bought enslaved blacks on the beaches of Africa from other blacks.

And the whites proceeded to breed and sell black people for hundreds of years. The Africans who sold other Africans didn’t sail to the Americas and preside over every subsequent sale. The initial act was evil, yes, but you’re pretending the circumstances of the initial act excuse all the subsequent and more numerous acts.

When talking about slavery, we are talking about a thing that happens to people, not something that happens to a race of people.

The socially constructed “race” of black people were identified as such by and for their enslavement. But this is a meaningless point to argue because your racism towards them is occurring regardless of whether slavery “happened to” them all or just some or whether some were initially sold by other Africans.

You “victims” need to get over yourselves

I’m not a victim. I’m educated. I’m also not descended from slaves as far as I know.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

No, I don’t. It is historically accurate to mention that some Africans sold other Africans to slavers, but the market was there because of western colonialism. And the original act of selling them is just one act versus hundreds of years of slavery and genocide perpetrated by western colonial powers. If Africans tried to sell other Africans and the white people said, “nah, we’re not interested,” you might have a relevant point. And white people in the American colonies and throughout US history up to the Civil War had the opportunity to end slavery but chose not to. And even after slavery was over, the legacy of post-reconstruction, disenfranchisement, the Klan, Jim Crow, segregation, the Tulsa massacre, the 16th Street Baptist Church, lynchings, Bull Connor’s dogs and fire hoses, the war on drugs, mass incarceration, stop and frisk, etc. etc. the oppression never stopped.

So sure, some Africans contributed initially. That doesn’t absolve an entire society that thrived on the oppression of enslaved people and continues to oppress their descendants today. If you want to get in a time machine and chide the Africans who sold others, go for it. But you can chide racists who are still doing egregious shit today, including trying to downplay and excuse racism and genocide and systemic oppression.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

The difference being that black people didn’t identify as black—or even as a cohesive group—until white people called them that and grouped them together, and the separation was used to impose negative connotations about black people, not white people.

And the issue is with the context. Race pride isn’t inherently hateful; it’s all about history and the reason it exists.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Wow, that is really lame, but I will ask anyway.

How is that related, at all? In order to isolate cause from effect, one needs to observe many parameters. Which parameters defining society are you looking at when arriving at this conclusion?

btw, IQ is a bullshit measurement.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

“If it was used as originally intended, to measure academic ability to get extra help to people who need it, it wouldn’t be.”

Not sure what you are trying to say here, but it does little in support of your claim that the IQ test has any validity. The only way an IQ test would have any validity is if those tested for comparison purposes were all identical in their upbringing. Since this is unattainable, the testing results are meaningless.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

I’m suggesting that perhaps a little reading is in order, here is a small excerpt from wikipedia:

“IQ scores have been shown to be associated with such factors as nutrition,[8][9][10] parental socioeconomic status,[11][12] morbidity and mortality,[13][14] parental social status,[15] and perinatal environment.[16] While the heritability of IQ has been investigated for nearly a century, there is still debate about the significance of heritability estimates[17][18] and the mechanisms of inheritance.[19]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

“If it was used as originally intended, to measure academic ability to get extra help to people who need it”

Yes, I read that history also and yet still wonder why an elaborate test is required to determine what should be readily apparent to an observing individual like a teacher or parent.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

It’s one thing if you enjoy, say, Roman food, and share that with the world.

It’s another if you think we should all return to the Roman way of life and believe in committing insurrection, genocide and treason to return to that era.

White pride, or more accurately, white supremacy, belongs to the latter.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Elon: 'I don't get it, why would I want to kick my biggest fans out?'

The problems Elon keeps running into is that to admit that the site has some terrible people that they can’t seem to do anything about would require admitting that maybe moderation isn’t as easy as he repeatedly claimed it was when he was criticizing the previous owners and that he objects to those sort of people in general.

Since neither of those are going to happen all he really has is trying to sue people who keep pointing a light on the sort of people who use his platform in an effort to silence any accurate reporting.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

I think this is partially true.

But: Elon has undone what (miserable, inadequate, uninformed, incompetent) steps the prior management of Twitter took in this regard. He’s made the problem MUCH worse because he wants those horrible people on Twitter, and he wants them there (as I said elsewhere) because he’s a narcissist and a fascist. For Elon, the ideal Twitter user is a Nazi who kneels before Elon and praises even the stupidest things that he says/does (e.g.: Cybertruck).

A good many of Twitter’s current content problems could be solved in hours simply by re-banning the assholes. But that won’t happen because those assholes are lined up to kneel before Elon and service him, and as long as they keep doing that, NOTHING they post on Twitter will get them kicked off.

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Anonymous Coward says:

It's not a mistake

That is: what Twitter is doing by allowing this isn’t a mistake. It’s deliberate: Musk personally ordered the reinstatement of the accounts of white supremacists and Nazis. He knew exactly what they’d do because he knew exactly what they’d done.

Musk isn’t a free-speech advocate. He’s a narcissist and a fascist, and he bought Twitter to support both. He won’t come out as a full-blown Nazi (a) because he’s too much of a coward and weakling to admit what he really is and (b) because he doesn’t need to: the people he’s allied himself with already know.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re:

“What’s a “full-blown Nazi” in 2024? Just curious.”

Someone who espouses Nazi ideology. Such as believing that other people are inferior and need to be exterminated due to their nature, not their actions. Often while repeating the same propaganda tactics used by the OG Nazis, such as projecting their own lies on to their opponents, or pretending their hate will stop after X group so Y group don’t have to worry about joining in.

It was helpful when they wore uniforms and shot at decent people so we could take them down immediately, but in the absence of that Musk providing them with the place they can tell everyone they’re toxic idiots is a big help.

Arianity says:

Elon could make a reasonable response: that while this looks bad, the simple reality is that it is simply impossible to figure out every possible awful hashtag and prevent ads from running against them.

That’d be a non sequitur. While it’s impossible to catch everything, it’s not impossible to catch the basics. And it’s perfectly possible (and reasonable) to expect companies to do some level of bare minimum.

He doesn’t get to complain about how hard moderation is after actively dismantling it and encouraging garbage.

Even if ExTwitter came up with a blocklist of “bad” hashtags, some would still get through and eventually some reporter would find it and report on it.

The key word there is “some”. The volume matters. Granted, a lot of media articles don’t actually cover that nuance, either.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Elon could make a reasonable response: that while this looks bad, the simple reality is that it is simply impossible to figure out every possible awful hashtag and prevent ads from running against them.

That would be a really hard argument to make when he made a point of unbanning high-profile Nazis.

This isn’t a case of “moderation is hard.” This is a case of Elon reaping what he sowed.

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