Judge Tells Corrections Officers To ‘Suck It Up’ If They Can’t Handle An Endless Stream Of Executions

from the inhumanity-is-what-I-want,-says-impartial-magistrate dept

We’ve long known no one cares what happens to people who are incarcerated.

The indifference flows through the so-called criminal justice system to the private sector to tons of voters who firmly believe the nation could be better served by stripping certain Americans of all their rights.

The fact that we jail more people than totalitarian nations is constantly ignored. We pretend prison is the best thing for errant people — something that offers them the chance to pay society for their misdeeds while giving them the bonus of bettering themselves through rehabilitation.

But nothing in the system lends itself to better outcomes. The criminal justice system ensures anyone merely charged with a crime — much less convicted of one — will carry that burden for years, if not the rest of their lives. People jailed for decades for non-violent crimes (mostly of the drug possession variety) can expect to return to society years behind the curve and saddled with a felony conviction that ensures only people willing to exploit others will have anything to do with them.

While behind bars, inmates are treated as less than human by the government at all levels. They’re also expected to routinely be victims of crimes that will never be prosecuted, ranging from theft to assault to rape. And that’s on top of whatever criminal acts are committed by those tasked with protecting them while they’re in the government’s custody.

They’re also at the mercy of entities both public and private. Sheriffs run most county jails with impunity, protected from accountability by layers of immunity and the election process itself. Sheriffs have shown themselves willing to starve inmates to enrich themselves when not just ignoring inmate-on-inmate crime or systemic abuse from jailers in their employ.

Private entities engage in further harm, subjecting an entirely captive audience to rapacious fees if prisoners desire outside contact. At first, it was just exorbitant per-minute fees for phone calls, a burden bore by loved ones who realized the importance of letting people in jail know someone on the outside cared about them.

Those fees — which are always shared with those housing inmates — made the most of the move to internet-based communications, adding even more extortionate fees to everything from texting to access to free streaming services. These fees further pad the payrolls of correctional facilities. But none of this windfall has ever been passed on to the people who actually pay these fees.

Decades of indifference — if not outright disdain — has accustomed us to the fact that the criminal justice system doesn’t care about anyone who can’t beat the rap and is forced to ride the ride.

But this is something else. This is a state judge declaring he doesn’t care about the people the state employs to staff jails and prisons. This a judge saying “fuck you” on top of “fuck those guys,” letting government employees in certain positions know they’re considered little better than the prisoners they watch over.

Here’s Austin Sarat with the details for Slate:

Oklahoma’s Republican attorney general, Gentner Drummond, and Steven Harpe, the director of the Department of Corrections, want to slow down the pace of their state’s upcoming executions, moving from a 60-day to a 90-day interval between each of them. They contend that doing so is necessary to deal with trauma to those who carry them out and to ensure that future executions will not be botched.

To reschedule the pending executions, the state needs permission from the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals, which, in 2021, had approved a plan to execute 25 death row inmates in less than three years. That plan would have cut the state’s death row population by more than half.

The state of Oklahoma would like inmates to shut up until it’s their time to be killed. The objections raised by the state AG had nothing to do with the fact that the state was killing inmates with alarming frequency. Instead, it was concerned the people who have to perform these killings might need a bit more time off between state-ordained killings.

The AG got the state’s Criminal Court of Appeals to give its executioners some more recovery time — an agreement that would have prevented executions from happening any more often than every 60 days.

However, it appeared the state’s hired killers needed more time off than this. The AG’s office asked for a 90-day recovery period between executions.

And that’s where the state ran head-on into one judge’s particular indifference towards everyone affected. That a former prosecutor-turned-judge wouldn’t be concerned that the state was executing people quickly is unsurprising. What’s alarming is that this judge made it clear he didn’t care about his fellow government employees — the ones tasked with all the killing.

During that hearing, Judge Gary Lumpkin, a former prosecutor who has been on the five-person court for more than 30 years, displayed a surprising callousness about the well-being of the correctional officials involved in the execution process. He said that they need to stop complaining, “suck it up,” and stick to the current execution schedule.

That’s the message being sent by Judge Lumpkin: if you don’t like the job of killing person after person at the behest of the state, you can pack your feelings up and GTFO.

[Judge Lumpkin] insisted that he would not buy into arguments about the traumatic effects of participating in executions, which he derisively labeled “sympathy stuff.”

He said that Drummond and Harpe needed to “man up.” “If you can’t do the job,” Lumpkin continued, “you should step aside and let somebody do it that can.”

Kill them or I’ll find somebody who will.

That’s pretty fucking harsh. And it shows Judge Lumpkin doesn’t think the people handling executions deserve any more empathy than those being executed. Sure, it’s harsh that people are getting killed because Oklahoma still believes firmly in the death penalty. Those performing the executions may not be dying, but they’ve got to live with what they’re doing. All they were asking for is just a little more downtime between killing in the name of. And this judge just told them to go fuck themselves.

Don’t kid yourselves, corrections officers. In Oklahoma, you’re little better than the misfits, outcasts, and abandoned property the government believes your inmates are. You’re as close to nobody as any government employee can get and if you can’t handle the job of government hatchet man, you’re of no use to Judge Lumpkin or the criminal justice system he represents.

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Paul says:

Re: Re:

The death penalty is a deterrent to people who think. for example they might plot for years.

Its not a deterrent to people who dont think, or think they are smarter then the cops or dont know that some technology has been invented/ will be invented and used to catch them.

But I would have to agree with the judges, you have already decided you’re happy to kill a person and now you have decided that one every 60 days is too much? Maybe you should not be killing people at all?

I could not kill.people every 60 days but I wont put myself in a position where I even have to kill 1 person.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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The death penalty used to have a deterrent effect.

Expedited executions will do nothing to shore up “public safety”⁠—especially if the state manages to execute an innocent person in the rush to legally sanction (and carry out) violent revenge against cop killers and the like.

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Mamba (profile) says:

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The death penalty used to have a deterrent effect.

You don’t know shit about the deterrent effect of the death penalty.

“Research on the deterrent effect of capital punishment is uninformative about whether capital punishment increases, decreases, or has no effect on homicide rates.” – National Academy of Sciences

Anonymous Coward says:

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Yeah, I think that was kind of his point.

A guy was executed earlier this week for a murder which took place in 2006 – and that’s actually faster than average. “If you kill someone, we’ll maybe execute you 18 years from now” isn’t much more of a deterrence than a life sentence would be.

(I’m against the death penalty in almost all cases, by the way. But you have to understand the argument before you can even competently argue against it.)

mcinsand says:

Re: jailbreaks aren't so common now

I could see the death penalty as being more to consider back when jails were less secure. If someone is really dangerous with a potential for escape, you could make an argument that society depends on ensuring that a truly violent, dangerous person cannot have a chance on getting back out there. Now, though, jails are far more secure. The cost of keeping a person away from society is lower than the cost of appeals, reviews, etc. to put someone to death.

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Anonymous Coward says:

as a male...

He said that Drummond and Harpe needed to “man up.” “If you can’t do the job,” Lumpkin continued, “you should step aside and let somebody do it that can.”

Why are statements of the form “Man up and ${be-some-form-of-trash}” so common? Is that what he’s based his masculinity on? Being a shit bag?

Do you know what the call humans who can kill another human and feel nothing? They are called psychopaths. And that is the kind of “man” you think you wanna be? Give me a break.

“Men” like are a discredit to our species. That’s the kind of thinking that helps you get death camps.

I hope the AG “man’s up” (regardless of their gender, which I don’t remember seeing in the article), and continues to press for the well being of correction officers[0]. I would imagine that the AG could appeal this?

[0] Honestly I think we could probably do with a bit less death-row stuff… but that is not an excuse for inflicting trauma on those who carry out the sentence.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Is that what he’s based his masculinity on? Being a shit bag?

Conservative ideas of masculinity tend to involve the suppression of “feminine” emotions and “might makes right” thinking. That tends to create men who believe in a society where real men are defined by physical strength, violence, and the domination of people perceived as “lesser”⁠—which leads men raised in this way to think of men who practice non-violence, openly express emotions other than anger, and/or generally try to treat everyone with base-level human dignity as “pussies” (or worse).

Anonymous Coward says:

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men raised in this way to think of men who practice non-violence, openly express emotions other than anger […] as “pussies” (or worse).

In a twist of irony, this kind of behavior IS worth getting angry over.

The fact that they think emotionally (and intellectually) stunted savages who are no more able to have control over their actions than say… a cat, or a monkey, is their ideal says more about them than they might think.

Unfortunately that also means their core views/believes make them fundamentally unable to being a functional (or even a non-malignant) member of any healthy society.

Dan B says:

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Do you know what the call humans who can kill another human and feel nothing? They are called psychopaths.

Well, sure. But what do you call people who are bothered by killing other people but do it anyway because they like the pay and benefits? I can think of a whole lot of words that describe such a person, but “sympathetic” isn’t among them.

Your conscience is bothering you for a reason, guys. Pick a career that lets you sleep at night.

kythra (profile) says:

Re: Now there's an agenda I can rally behind.

“Hear me out, Execution by unarmed combat. The Judge vs the people they put in there to die.”

I’d literally cast a Ballot in favor of that but only if it had metaphorical teeth as in was enforcable and legally binding such that the state to ensure it would be carried out or like pay a massive cost prohibitive fine to those inmates.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Thw fact that no one cares is why it a loved one is facing jail time you want to do everything humamly possible to interfere with obstruct prosecutors to prevent their conviction

That includes breaking into to the prosecutors: office computer network and getting into the folders of the prosecutor or prosecutors assigned to the case and erase everything in those folders to hinder prosecutors

If they can’t prepare their case they can’t go to trial

And if you have money you have evidence destroyed.

No evidence, no case

The “protect” part of marriage vows means you do what you have to protect her

I believe that GOD comes before the law when it comes to protecting your wife

Financial harm is far more effective than murder

Also easer to destroy evidence with any secure wiping program

Anonymous Coward says:

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You make sure them can never beat me you to trial for obstruction

You buy a cheap laptop pay in cash, so the deed, and then throw that laptop in the river, ocean, or whatever.

There is no law in any of the 50 states that makes it a crime to deep six the computer to prevent evidence from being found.

Just make sure to use public transit to where ever you are going to deep six the computer and use cash in the fare box,so there is no bank trail, so they can’t go looking for that computer

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Oh, joy, it’s you. The guy who genuinely thinks that Mexico isn’t bound by the DMCA so running a license plate masker is completely legal and won’t shut the fuck up about his genius strategy.

You do realize that attempting to hide evidence to interfere with investigations is, in fact, against the law… right?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

The dmca no jurisdiction in Mexico

And auti shop in Mexico that jacks any cars cannot be prosecuted in America

Another way is for them to only accept cash only. No checks or credit cards

No bank trail

That way there is not way they could ever find out

I would not be surprised if some police departments have the 140 on GM and 150 in Chrysler police vehicles removed down there

Just pay in cash only and they won’t be able to prove anything.

When, on one car I had, I wanted that annoying thing where the engine shuts off at a traffic light and then start again when.lwt off the brake

When I went down there, I paid cash, Mexican pesos, no credit cards, no bank trail, so there was no possible way investigators could find anything.

Also, wrapped my phone in foil so that Google location history woukd not record I was there, a homebrew faraday cage

Wrapping mynphine in foil to prevent investigators from knowing I was at that shop did not break any laws. There is no law that makes it a crime to put your phone in tinfoil to prevent investigators from seeing things in your Google location history

That is also how women can get abortions in California without their home state knowing.

If some states start making pregnant women wear ankle bracelets that can also be done.

Once in California just deploy a jammner to jam it’s wirelrss Internet and cut off it communications with.the momiturunr station.

In California it is only illegal tomjam wireless Internet if done im furtherance of a crime that breaks California law.

Since abortions are legal in California jamming am.ankle bracelet from your home state does not break the law in California.

It would look like a malfunction and your home state would never you jammed your bracelet

Then again there are some abortion clinics now that are using jammers and they are not breaking any law in California doing that

I know such jammers are being used because when drive in those parts of town my cellular Internet stops and my iheart or YouTube playlists stop and my GPS gets zapped too

The clinics are breaking no laws in California doing that so I just have to live with it when my cellular Internet and GPS quits working.

Banning abortion is one thing but telling women they can’t go to California or anywhere else is another

I dont believe in extraterritorial laws.

That is why I was not bashful years ago about advising USA/Australia dual nationals about what flights to take to avoid a US connecting city, myself because a dual and having traveled to Cuba to cover sports events when I had my online radio station.

Using my Aussie passport and avoiding a US connecting city meant i.ckujd avoid the travel ban

Advising dual nationals on this did not break any laws in the United States

Information is NOT a crime in
America and is protected under the first amendment so I was not subject to prosecutuon in the United States for that

Information is first amendment protected speech in the United States matter what this clown in Usenet newsgroups said many years ago

This guy was a anti-vasyeo Cuban exile and considering that Cuba has been under some kind of dictatorshipmfit over 9 decades, Machado, batista, then Castro, that did not understand concepts like the first amendment

Information is protected speech in America, so my giving information to duals in how to avoid a US connecting city did not break US laws

The same goes for the very large China/USA duals who mothers gave birth in the USA to avoid the one child policy

At that time, one of the Chinese airlines had direct flights to Mexico

Advising USA/China dual nationals on that to avoid connecting in the United States was first amendment protected speech.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

It depends on the method.

Using it infra red LEDs is not yet illegal because there is no way to mitigate it

The plate itself is unaltered and still visible to human eyeballs

There are other ways to blind cameras as well which are also not illegal

A TV remote control, if it is infra red will also blind know just pint it at camera and push any button. That will blind the camera where it not oy leepmthe camera from.getting your plate number, your entire car will not be seen.

Using a TV remote to do that doed not the law in any of the 50 states

The only things states can do that is outlaw tv remotes and I think the entertainment industry would fight that tooth and nail

And you can still sneak things in via the two routes with no inspection station, those being hwy 88 in Northern California and Nipton Road in Southern California

The state screwed up when they moved the I-15 station further north as it opened up Nipton road as a way to avoid a inspection stations

California is run by bunch of bird brains anyway

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

All you have to do is put the prosecutors office computer network out of commission so they cannot prepare their case.

If you are well monied, which i may soon be, you can go on the dark web and get that done

There are new cyptocurrencies that totally untraceable and what the dark web is starting to use

Well monied people can have evidence destroyed and not get caught.

It just takes careful planning, and the right dark web marietplace

Money talks, bs walks

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

That is what decire didk wiping programs are for

That will render anything that was on you hard disk unrecoverable even by the forensic tools

As I have said my online radio station had a policy of wiping station owned devices before taking them over international borders

Out policy did not break the law in any of the 200+ countries and territories anywhere in the world when we did that.

I don’t mention any specific wooing tool since the name of at one of them was sullied by malware using the same name.

Just find one that suits your needs

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Consider too that crypto currencies can be untraceable

My online radio station was in a legal gray area because we broadcast sports without a press credential.

We believed that a free press should not be himderrd my press credentials.

I also did my own pirate IPTV which was not your run of the mill pirate IPTV

We were a full service tv station that broadcast movies, tv series, sports and more

We also instructional tv (ITV) like what some public tv stations did.

The music we had was licensed and we did pay royalties there, but everything else was not

We followed journalist visa requiremente fur countries we traveled to, but did not have any oress credentials

Because we were in ablegal gray area all revenues were in crypto currency.

That was also a good tax strategy the way that tax laws in Australia and the USA handle crypto

The taxes are not due until it is cashed out

It also allows me to avoid the USA self employment tax if 15 percent over above any other US and Australian taxes,

Instead of a top federal rate of 55 percent I only will pay about 40, because crypto is treated as investment income for tax purposes

That is one reason dark web operators use crypto. When it comes to cash out, the 15 pecernt tax savings will mean a lot more money in their pockets

If Ross ulbricht had not been caught he wouid have over a trillion dollars, so that would have been $150 million more in his pocket when it came time to retire and cash out, and thats nothing to sneeze at

A legal way to save money on taxes

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

There is no law in any of the 50 states that makes it a crime to deep six the computer to prevent evidence from being found.

Throwing a laptop into a river or the ocean is illegal in every state and federal territory. Also, doing anything to “prevent evidence from being found” is a crime in every state and federal territory. Also, public transit is almost always monitored by cameras, so you’re actually more likely to give the government proof of your activities that way.

But apart from that, you’re doing great.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Another option is to ride a bike, if you can find a way to carry that laptop on your bike

Bikes dont have license plates so.plate readers cannot track you

Just be sure to have either timfoik or a faraday cage so Google location history won’t record where you were

Also wiping your phone to make data unrecoverable if they seize your phone

That does not break any law in any country which is why my online radio station had a plot of wiping station owned devices before international travel.

We broke no laws in Australia or any other country when we did that.

Our station policy on that did not break any law in any country

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Nah, I don’t think I will.

You’re just mad that a person with silicon implants up their chest gets more action in bed and still has a bigger cock than you, proving that they’re ten times the man you will ever be.

You’re going to get measured for a clitty cage and watch as we throw away the key.

Anonymous Coward says:

For anyone in this comments section with a good amount of free time and interest in learning more about the topic of capital punishment, there’s an excellent Jacob Geller video essay on YouTube called The False Evolution of Execution Methods. It really brings to light the seriously flawed nature of executing prisoners.

I, as someone who has the displeasure of living in Oklahoma, am wholly unsurprised at the display of cruelty from this state’s politicians.

Lisa Westveld (profile) says:

Pay to Stay

The US Prison system is even worse when you realize the “Pay to Stay” practice that various states implement. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-to-stay_(imprisonment) for details.
Basically, when you are incarcerated then you’re expected to pay a fee, similar to a hotel would. And I think hotels are cheaper. What it does is adding up to the debt that a prisoner has so when he gets released, he’ll be broke and in big financial troubles. That means they can’t reintegrate in society and thus they return to a life of crime simply to sustain themselves. And thus they go back to Prison.
Crime pays, if you’re a Prison warden and/or owner…

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Lisa Westveld (profile) says:

Re: Re: Racism?

Why mention “young Black males” specifically? A lot of people who end up in prison are already quite poor before they got arrested. They often could not pay their bail, hire better lawyers and are generally punished a lot harder. Regularly, these would be drugs-related or other small crimes. A DUI, for example. Vandalism, possession of stolen items, small amount fraud…
The “Pay-to-stay” system just exists to keep poor people poor…

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Anonymous Coward says:

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The “Pay-to-stay” system just exists to keep poor people poor…

That’s incorrect, actually. It exists to keep COs in their jobs. After all, most people who’ve been to prison aren’t committing more crimes after they get out if they don’t have to pay off a huge debt on a minimum wage job that’s hard to get because of their previous conviction.

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