Fidelity Sure Seems To Regret Its Decision To Contribute To Elon’s Wild Social Media Adventure

from the this-roller-coaster-only-goes-down dept

A few months ago we noted that Fidelity, which had contributed over $300 million to help Elon purchase Twitter a little over a year ago, had already marked down its investment by 65%. This news came out at basically the same time that Elon himself admitted the company’s value was down 56% (from $44 billion to $19 billion).

And while Elon and Linda Yaccarino keep insisting that they’re righting the ship (Yaccarino insisted the company was close to being profitable again), it does not appear that Elon’s unhinged Dealbook interview has helped. Nor his embrace of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

Fidelity has now updated its internal valuation of its small piece of ExTwitter equity, and admits that it’s marked it down 71.5% from what it paid for it initially. MarketWatch notes that Fidelity initially valued its own ExTwitter equity around $20 million, but currently views it at $5.6 million. (Other reports say Fidelity put in over $300 million, which, if true, would make it now valued at noticeably less than $100 million.) Either way, that’s a huge loss in just over a year.

But, more to the point, that means that Fidelity is now valuing the entirety of ExTwitter at around $12.5 billion. For what it’s worth, that appears to be less than the $13 billion in debt he saddled the company with to complete the deal. The banks who got stuck with the debt as they were unable to immediately sell it off like they usually do are (1) colluding with each other to avoid any of them selling off the debt for pennies while (2) simultaneously struggling to come up with accounting tricks to avoid taking huge losses that they know they should take. Meanwhile, it has also come out that Elon made a promise to the bankers that they wouldn’t lose any money. So that’ll be fun to sort out. (Of course, it’s also been reported that Elon Musk promised Jack Dorsey that if he ever wanted to take the equity he rolled over into ExTwitter out, Musk would pay him at the $54.20/share price he paid for the whole company — and if I’m Jack Dorsey, right now I’d be looking to make Elon live up to that deal right about now).

I may not be the richest man in the world, but I also didn’t destroy over $30 billion in value in a single company over the course of just one year through a series of incredibly, obviously, dopey moves.

Of course, it still remains somewhat incredible to me that the supposed experts at Fidelity ever thought it was worth backing Elon on this. Whatever you might say about the success of Tesla and SpaceX in increasing value for investors, from the very, very beginning of Elon’s exploration into social media, it was painfully obvious he had no fucking clue what he was doing.

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Somewhat Less Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

Another interesting tidbit is that the drop in valuation from -65% of the original value to -71.5% happened in the space of one month – from October to November. This also means that the number is outdated by a month, which matters when the change is that rapid.

How many of you would take Xitter off of Elmo’s hands if he also had to pay you for it?

Anonymous Coward says:

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You are absolutely right.

You should hold out for no less than $13 Billion, and more likely $15 billion.

If you “bought” ExTwitter for minus $1 billion dollars, you would still be taking on not only the debts, but the lawsuits (and impending lawsuits), back wages and unpaid bonuses, and all the other liabilities saddling ExTwitter.

It’s not just a headache-in-waiting, it’s a black hole of misery and poverty. Once you pass its event horizon, your estate will never be seen again.

Mamba (profile) says:

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Even wiping out all of the documented, and undocumented, real liabilities…it wouldn’t be worth it to take it for less than 10 Billion. Because you’re going to spend every one of those pennies trying to arrest it’s fall in the market and return it to something resembling a functioning company…let alone one that’s profitable.

To me, Ex isn’t just a dead man walking (that happened the moment he loaded it up with debt). It’s something else entirely. The Third Circle of Hell?

PaulT (profile) says:

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I mean, I’d take that offer. Revert the blue checkmarks to fraud prevention, kick off the Nazis, bring back the original brand, get some kind of guarantee than Elon’s nowhere near the place and start making deals with the suppliers and advertisers that were there before, maybe attract back some key employees…

It would be an uphill battle but I think there’s enough momentum to make it work now. In 6 months it’s probably too far gone, but the core hasn’t completely died yet.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Consequences

Any “investors” who enabled him deserve what they get.

Part A: Many of those “investors” (scare quotes in original) are banks. If a bank fails due to this debt, some amount of the deposits are not going to be covered. Do the depositors deserve that?

Part B: FDIC covers substantial amounts of deposits in banks, backed by the US Government. That is, the taxpayers ultimately foot the bill. Do the taxpayers of the US deserve that?

Punishing the bank officers for the decision isn’t going to recover the money.

Some of the institutions holding ExTwitter debt: Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Barclays, and Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc, Societe Generale (SOGN.PA), Mizuho and BNP Paribas (BNPP.PA). A few of those names might even be familiar to you.

  • If you owe the bank $100, that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem. – John Paul Getty
James burkhardt says:

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Banks hold fractions of tge deposits, and make money lending the rest of it to other people. that’s where the money for a bank loan comes from.

Laws exist to demand how much is held, and audit those holdings, and audit the loans. But lending out your money is where a bank gets the funds to pay underpaid tellers and outrageous ceo compensation.

Mamba (profile) says:

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Let’s try this one more time:

What an absurd “analysis” of the situation. It’s fractally ignorant: each individual piece is as dumb as the whole.

Fidelity has 4.3 trillion dollars of assets under management, a total of 11.7 trillion dollars in assets, and made 24 billion dollars in revenue in 2021. The idea that they would fail from losing their entire 20 million invest Ex and it would have catastrophic consequences for them is unhinged. I mean, we know this because they effectively have lost it all and it’s quite clear they will continue to write this off over the coming months.

Also, the FDIC discussion is a read hearing. this is the Fidelity Blue Chip Growth Fund. “Not NCUA or NCUSIF insured. May lose value. No credit union guarantee”. Any competent observer of Musk would have assessed a lot of volatility around the loan to Musk, and stress testing would have prevented it from taking down the the fund.

But even if it was true that they could fail, and this actually was insured, the FDIC would be the receiver of the bank and would liquidate the assets to cover their loss for covering the depositors. Investors would lose first.

Your analogy might be the dumbest fucking use of that quote I’ve ever seen. Musk owes the bank a buck, and it is very much his problem.

Finally: absolutely, unequivocally, yes bank officers should suffer the consequence of their dumb ass decisions. They won’t. But they should. Suggesting otherwise is fucking offensive.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Finally: absolutely, unequivocally, yes bank officers should suffer the consequence of their dumb ass decisions. They won’t. But they should. Suggesting otherwise is fucking offensive.

Amen to this.

Does anyone remember when the 2008 recession ended? I sure as hell fucking don’t. The costs of living haven’t gone down. The labor market isn’t any friendlier. The income gap certainly isn’t getting any smaller. The financial institutions still have everyone’s balls or clits in a vise.

This idea that people in finance and investment shouldn’t be made to suffer the consequences of their actions is precisely why scams are so rampant – the consequences rarely happen.

ECA (profile) says:

A Person thats supposed to know business?

If it walks like a.
If it sounds like a
If it Looks like a.
If its Colored Like a.
It could be loons or divers, grebes, gallinules and coot.
There are lots of Ducks out there.

And I would like to believe that the Common person could tell you that they are ALL over valued, and into money laundering.

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Mamba (profile) says:

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I’m pretty sure you have no idea how any of this works if you think that is a good reasons to forgo free insurance on your money. To the point where I wonder if you’ve actually used a modern banking system.

Multiple accounts, both in and out, is a core function of what escrow business do during cash purchases And if you’re not using an escrow service you’re either made of money and can pay people to think of these things for you, or you’re about to get ripped off.

This is also a common thing when people retire and get multiple lump sum payments from a couple companies that need to go to multiple banks. Bread and butter of a financial services company.

There are brokerage accounts that advertise addressing this by automating the process, such as https://www.wealthfront.com/cash-account-participant-banks

Finally, contrary to popular belief, FDIC isn’t coverage for an account up to to 250k. It’s ” $250,000 per depositor, per insured bank, for each account ownership category.” Meaning if you have a spouse on your savings account, it’s 500k. There’s also like 8 ownership categories or something, so in theory the number is much higher per person…through it’s not clear to me you could ever get all of theme combined.

Managing finances over multiple accounts is no more difficult than making purchases with multiple credit cards. They are all on line, you can easily link them for near instantaneous transfer of funds, and I’ve done it in the past to no harm.

And shit, who makes purchases from their savings or checking account directly? For a car, that’s about all I can think of, and I frankly would just get the cheapest financing I can from the dealer and pay it off on the first bill. They will happily cash checks from multiple sources against one account. Same with credit cards.

This is similar logic that leads people to forging the employer match on their 401k, because “they can do better”.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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What is there to envy? Musk made a stupid business decision based on a whim, was forced to pay an exorbitant amount of money for something he didn’t actually want, made even dumber decisions on the pursuit of “freeze peach”, and tanked the valuation of the company by at least 60% in a year.

The fact that you think the writers around here are envious of something like that says more about you than it does about them.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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What is there to envy?

Don’t be obtuse, you stupid fucking moron.

Musk is the richest man in the world, with unlimited resources and able to do anything he wants and help whomever he wants. He’s already achieved more and done more good in his life than Mike will do in 1,000 lifetimes. That’s why this blog is solely focused on attacking and abusing Musk–envy.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Musk is the richest man in the world, with unlimited resources and able to do anything he wants and help whomever he wants

You Musksuckers are genuinely some of the most predictable punching bags ever.

When people disagreed with him over what he was doing with Twitter you brag about how much money he brings in. When it was proven that he was, in fact, losing the company money, you brag that it was never about the money. And then when it’s proven that advertisers continue to flee the platform and not give him money you brag that he’s still somehow the richest man on the planet even when stats beg to differ.

You guys simp for Musk harder than old fatasses simp for Pokimane, and that’s saying something. But please keep embarrassing yourselves. It’s going to be funny as fuck when Musk inevitably snorts a little too much of his allegedly prescribed ketamine, champ.

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buttwipinglord (profile) says:

Funny how no one at these banks and especially fucking Fidelity hasn’t lost their jobs over this. If any normal person fucked up at even a fraction of this kind of dollar amount they probably would be shit canned faster than a CEO can shit in a golden toilet.

It makes me even more disgusted that my company switched to Fidelity for their 401k management from a different company a few years ago. Clearly they willingly blinded themselves to the very public evidence this was going to be a disaster.

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