Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt

from the back-and-forth dept

This week, our first place winner on the insightful side is Thad, expanding on the fact that Iowa’s book ban demonstrates hatred of LGBTQ people:

Or women. Denying information on the HPV vaccine is more inline with the notion that women who are sexually active deserve to get STDs.

In second place, it’s Toom1275 responding to the same old stuff about moderation being censorship:

The illiterate “moderation is censorship because it suppresses speech!” lie originates solely from both entitlement and irrationality.

Let’s say a person’s unrestricted ability to speak is defined as a baseline “speech value” of 1.0. By being offered the privilege of borrowing another’s speech platform a speaker can, let’s say, expand their speech value to 5x. Have multiple platforms open? Let’s say your speech value is 25x.
The entitled and irrational believe that any withdrawal of these conditional privileges whatsoever (e.g. A platform saying “You broke our rules so you’re no longer allowed on our private property.”) so as to bring one’s current speech value value under this maximum potential, even say 24x, is “suppression” of speech.
In reality, free speech remains fully intact and unsuppressed until it drops below that baseline value of 1.0 (i.e. the government saying “You are not allowed to say this anywhere.) Matthew, Koby, Benjamin, Hyman, BDAC, etc. lying that moderation is censorship is a malicious, disingenuous twisting of language that misleadingly conflates loss of privileges with loss of a hallucinatory “right to post” the sole intent behind which being to support the loss of the actual Constitutional and free speech rights held by platforms.
It is impossible to truthfully claim to support free speech rights while simultaneously opposing moderation.

For editor’s choice on the insightful side, we start out with one more comment from Thad, this time on our post warning against using copyright to fight AI:

Anyone who thinks expanding copyright will help individual creators rather than corporate publishers hasn’t been paying attention the last…every single time we’ve ever tried that.

Next, it’s Stephen T. Stone with a comment about the latest example of how you don’t own the content you buy:

Piracy can’t be stealing if buying doesn’t mean owning.

Over on the funny side, our first place winner is an anonymous reply to someone whining about how much they hate Techdirt:

“I hate this website so much that I return every day and force myself to read articles I don’t like and comment about how much I don’t like them because that is definitely a sign of a healthy individual.”

In second place, it’s another anonymous comment, this time about a particularly clunky line from a bad libel lawsuit:

That sentence, realizing it was stuck in a hopeless and stupid case, suffered a seizure and glossolalia. Have pity upon it. It is now undergoing therapy and we are hopeful that it will resume conveying information in the future.

For editor’s choice on the funny side, we start out with a comment from Ron Currier, riffing on the notion that you can’t be confident you’ll be able to use hardware (like cars) you buy “going forward”:

Sorry, the standard model only goes in reverse. If you also want to go forward, that’ll be $100/month extra.

Finally, it’s blakestacey with a comment about the Hawley/Blumenthal AI bill and its circular definition stating “the term ‘generative artificial intelligence’ means an artificial intelligence system”:

Brexit means Brexit!

That’s all for this week, folks!


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Anonymous Coward says:

Of course the woke filth, the deluded, and the liars would prefer that people who disagree with them just go elsewhere, so that they can brew their poison in peace. We see the results of that. So no, it’s the very fact of how wrong TechDirt often is that should be driving people towards the site, to express their opposition.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

While the unwoke filth insist om poisoning everybody else’s conversation by pushing their bigotry and conspiracy theories on every one. Meanwhile those you support seem determined to kill a woman by refusing an emergency abortion where the doctors have said the pregnancy is non viable, and a danger to her health and life.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

I support abortion on demand and without apology, including for women who want to have an abortion because they would prefer a child of the other sex to the fetus they are carrying. I include “post-birth abortion” for babies born with severe defects. (That used to happen quietly, and probably still does in hospitals where they aren’t afraid of being ratted out by traitorous staff.)

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

I love how much unaware self-importance is just boiling out of this comment. “I disagree, therefore everyone must know! If you think I’m wasting my own time and yours, well that just proves why I must continue this useless crusade!”

That you think it’s possible to counter the “poison” on here with trolling is just particularly sad. Your responses aren’t well reasoned . You use ad hominems, generalizations, and outright lies to push a counter narrative that just becomes white noise of vitriol. Nobody new to the site is going to read your missives and go, “oh, here’s an erudite gentleman speaking the truth!” Start your own site. Write your own articles. Champion absolute free speech by never moderating and see what the comment section looks like. Oh, but it’s just easier to troll and shit on other people’s communities. Gotta feed that parasocial hero complex somehow I guess.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

How nice, Hyman.

Considering that what you consider “defiance” involves violence and genocide, not to mention harassment, the involvement of CSAM and worse…

Put it this way, no one wants to celebrate people being pogrom’d and genocided. Unless you’re so fucked in the head yiou can’t develop basic compassion for people.

And I say this as a soulless, dispassionate human being. Even I think your head is beyond conventional means of fixing.

Assuming you’re Jewish, you’re only making life worse for your ethnicity. Then again, you probably aren’t Jewish.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Evil communities need intervention and defiance.

This isn’t 4chan. Your definition of “evil communities” seems to be places where people disagree with you.

Leaving them alone leads to what we see on college campuses – woke filth celebrating piles of Jewish corpses.

If you think the free speech occurring on college campuses is the result of a lack of dissenting opinions, then you don’t frequent college campuses often and you only listen to conservative news sources about Israel. You’re essentially complaining that other people don’t confirm your biases.

You don’t like that I do this? Good. I don’t want you to like it.

I don’t dislike it. I’m observing that you’re wasting your time because you’re not convincing anyone here of anything except that you’re an asshole. Even if you actually had good points to make (sadly, you don’t), you’re making them in a way that even people who might otherwise agree with you find off-putting.

The funny part is that it’s nothing new. I’ve seen self-important trolls like you for over 30 years on the internet. Your methods don’t change. Your self-awareness never rises. One day you just disappear, probably because of a heart attack from high blood pressure worrying too much about what other people are saying on the internet without your permission.

Evil festers when good people are silent.

Hey, you got something right. You just have a twisted definition that anyone who disagrees with you is evil.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

There is no free speech on college campuses when that speech is in dissent of woke ideology. It is the fever dream of TechDirt’s owner on steroids. If college campuses allowed dissent from woke gender ideology, critical race theory, and Marxism, decolonization theory, and all the other garbage the left promulgates, then sure, people masturbating over Jewish corpses would just be another bit of nonsense to be dissented from. But they don’t.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

There is no free speech on college campuses when that speech is in dissent of woke ideology.

Again, you’re obviously not familiar with college campuses. You’re also apparently terrible at doing a two second google search: https://www.google.com/search?q=pro+israel+college+rally

You’ll find many news stories about pro-Israel rallies at college campuses. But that doesn’t fit your particular biased narrative, so we’ll just conveniently ignore those so you can continue to rant.

If college campuses allowed dissent from woke gender ideology, critical race theory, and Marxism, decolonization theory, and all the other garbage the left promulgates,

It’s the Newsmax buzzword salad! We know how to find those batshit conservative perspectives online if we are curious. What kind of original thoughts are you bringing here? You’re just a choir member singing rote hymns to your dogma.

Attention must be paid to you, Willy Loman!

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

If college campuses allowed dissent from woke gender ideology, critical race theory, and Marxism, decolonization theory, and all the other garbage the left promulgates

JFC, get out of your Fox News induced bubble.

None of that shit is happening you deluded motherfucker.

Are there a few crazies on college campuses? Sure. On both ends of the spectrum. The idea that college campuses are all crazed “woke” places is so delusional. I’ll bet you haven’t set foot on a college campus in decades, and you’d quickly be the creep leering dude who got banned if you did.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

https://armoxon.substack.com/p/bully-tactics

Republicans spent a solid decade insisting that university presidents make their campuses bastions of free speech by allowing marginalizing and othering hate speech most specifically, and then called university presidents onto the carpet and made enormous amounts of political hay over the fact that university weren’t opposing hate speech sufficiently or vociferously enough. Republicans created an incentive system whereby university presidents would be a group uniquely reluctant to unequivocally oppose hate speech, would in fact be people most likely to draft lawyerly equivocating answers and policies to the exact question “would you accept genocidal talk on your campus?” Having established this reality, Republicans used the very tolerance for hate speech they had manufactured to frame themselves as being in opposition to the hate speech they have spent decades defending.

Ain’t that some shit?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

When you show me the university that stands behind the free speech of professors and students who correctly proclaim that a man can never be a woman with the same intensity that they stand behind the free speech of students and professors celebrating piles of Jewish corpses, I’ll concede your point. But there is no such place.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

No, I define free speech as the ability to speak freely. That has been absent on college campuses when the speech is against woke ideology, with those speakers hounded and harassed and forced out. It’s only when it comes to advocating the murder of Jews that colleges suddenly discover that they support free speech.

For you, “treated with normal courtesy” means being allowed to intrude into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them. It’s the same courtesy as letting them spit into your food.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

I define free speech as the ability to speak freely. … It’s only when it comes to advocating the murder of Jews that colleges suddenly discover that they support free speech.

Then you should be exceptionally angry about Republicans taking issue against “anti-woke” speech like antisemitism on college campuses⁠—especially after the vast majority of them had nothing meaningful to say about the guys holding tiki torches and chanting “Jews will not replace us” the night before the protest-turned-riot in Charlottesville.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

As it turns out, the Republicans were right – the handful of incidents of right-wing antisemitism pales in comparison to the woke cancer permeating society.

I do oppose Republican attempts to censor libraries and the books available to children. I do not oppose the Republican effort to change government speech in the schools they control so that they do not teach lies.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

the Republicans were right – the handful of incidents of right-wing antisemitism pales in comparison to the woke cancer permeating society

You can’t simultaneously decry “wokeness” and stand against “anti-woke” speech without twisting yourself into a logic pretzel, Hyman Rosen.

I do oppose Republican attempts to censor libraries and the books available to children.

Could’ve fooled me.

I do not oppose the Republican effort to change government speech in the schools they control so that they do not teach lies.

Do you oppose the Republican effort to oust college leaders over “anti-woke” speech such as antisemitism even though you’ve expressed support for helping “anti-woke” speech flourish on college campuses?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

No, I don’t oppose efforts to oust those administrators. As you like to point out, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Those administrators are being attacked because they have claimed for years that they are providing “safe spaces”, preventing “microaggressions”, saying that “speech is violence”, that “misgendering is genocide”, and all the other woke garbage, but when it comes to the rape, murder, and kidnapping of Jews, they threw all of that to the curb. They’re not being attacked for supporting free speech, they’re being attacked for being woke hypocrites who protect only they speech and the people they agree with.

You can’t simultaneously decry “wokeness” and stand against “anti-woke” speech

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why would I stand against anti-woke speech?

Could’ve fooled me.

You could be fooled by a three-year old saying “got your nose”, so that’s not saying much. As long as libraries are not selecting their books to take sides in the culture wars, books should not be removed from libraries based on their viewpoint. If the selection is one-sided, then that’s off; the situation needs to be fixed. (The most repulsive children’s book I have ever encountered is Rainbow Fish, but I wouldn’t remove even that book.)

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Those administrators

Which administrators exactly? Name names. Also, provide citations of direct quotes that they’ve said what you’ve claimed, that they directly endorsed what you say they have, that they are in fact hypocrites. When you just repeat conservative media talking points and vague generalizations, you’re not actually saying anything.

but when it comes to the rape, murder, and kidnapping of Jews, they threw all of that to the curb.

[Citation needed] again. Where’s the direct quotes where they directly endorsed and supported those actions?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

You didn’t actually read what it says on that page and what organization is behind it. GEO is a labor union you dimwit.

And nowhere does it say that they endorse kidnapping or killing of Jews, but since you are a dimwit I’m sure some of the words were incomprehensible to you, so you just made up what they meant.

Try again, dimwit.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

That article says Israeli, not Jewish. That you conflate the two is telling. It says nothing about endorsing rape or murder of Jews or even Israelis. And it’s literally an employee union saying that the university president didn’t make a statement condemning Israel’s actions, which is the exact opposite of the concept that you’re disingenuously conflating with the rape and murder of Jews. You’re literally saying that free speech doesn’t exist on university campuses because people are utilizing their First Amendment right to free speech to say something you disagree with, despite you conflating disparate concepts disingenuously.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Those administrators are being attacked because they have claimed for years that they are providing “safe spaces”, preventing “microaggressions”, saying that “speech is violence”, that “misgendering is genocide”, and all the other woke garbage, but when it comes to the rape, murder, and kidnapping of Jews, they threw all of that to the curb.

And they were put in the position to do that by right-wing lawmakers and pundits who demanded that colleges toss out all that “safe space” nonsense, decry “wokeness”, and let “controversial” speech flourish. When a college was perceived to have done exactly what Republicans wanted in the context of protests against Israel (regardless of whether such protests were actually antisemitic), the GOP went on the warpath. My point is that the GOP didn’t care about antisemitism on college campuses until it could use that antisemitism to score political points on the issue of Israel; when the war in Israel ends, the GOP will likely go back to not caring.

They’re not being attacked for supporting free speech, they’re being attacked for being woke hypocrites who protect only they speech and the people they agree with.

They’re being attacked for both.

As I said before, Republicans wanted college campuses to stop promoting “woke” speech; in layman’s terms, it means they wanted colleges to stop shitting on students and faculty who treat people of color, people of minority religions, disabled people, queer people, and any other group of marginalized people as anything less than people. Racism, antisemitism, anti-ableism, and anti-queerness aren’t “woke”⁠—and so long as people expressing those ideologies weren’t using slurs, the GOP didn’t care, so long as those people got to express those ideologies without consequence. But as I mentioned above, college leaders are now under attack precisely because they let students express “anti-woke” speech within the boundaries of the First Amendment⁠—which is an outcome the GOP wanted, but is now more than willing to weaponize against those college leaders because that speech involves shitting on the Israeli government.

Why would I stand against anti-woke speech?

The GOP is more than willing to demand that colleges de-emphasize “wokeness”, but the moment a college campus “ignores” antisemitism in re: the Israeli government, the GOP is there to seize on a narrative that college campuses are hotbeds of racism, antisemitism, etc. It’s a move that requires the GOP to hold a paradoxical position: College campuses must allow students and faculty to express any and all discomforting and unpopular ideas under the guise of “free speech” while also preventing students and faculty from shittalking the Israeli government (regardless of whether antisemitism is expressed therein).

As long as libraries are not selecting their books to take sides in the culture wars, books should not be removed from libraries based on their viewpoint. If the selection is one-sided, then that’s off; the situation needs to be fixed.

You’ve given me no reason to believe you actually hold that position.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:14

Yeah, that’s pretty much it. As much as they want to act like they’re vehemently anti-censorship when it comes to right-wing book bans, they’ve never actually spoken out against right-wing book bans before this one moment where they think they can get brownie points for doing so. In every other regard, they’ve been ecrying and insulting the exact same kinds of speech that right-wingers have been trying to ban. I’ve no reason to think they’re against book bans unless they’re talking about conservative books/speech; if anything, they probably get sexually aroused when they hear about a book like And Tango Makes Three getting yanked from a school library.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

As it turns out, the Republicans were right – the handful of incidents of right-wing antisemitism pales in comparison to the woke cancer permeating society.

Sure, minimize the vast amount of antisemitism that comes out of the right. This claim is like two steps removed from Holocaust denialism.

I do not oppose the Republican effort to change government speech in the schools they control so that they do not teach lies.

That you think they’re stopping people from telling lies rather than just making sure their preferred lies are told is itself very telling…specifically about the lies you tell yourself. You can’t determine truth based on what you’d prefer to believe.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

When you show me the university that stands behind the free speech of professors and students who correctly proclaim that a man can never be a woman with the same intensity that they stand behind the free speech of students and professors celebrating piles of Jewish corpses, I’ll concede your point. But there is no such place.

You don’t get to define free speech for other people. Your definition and your standards are meaningless. Nobody has to meet the moving goalposts you call terms. That you think you’re that important that you can impose terms is laughable, but also very sad.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

What we get to do is to attack the people we don’t like, using any rhetorical terms we want. You don’t get to dictate the tactics used by your opponents. Given that organizations like FIRE rank Harvard and Penn dead last in allowing free speech on their campuses, it’s not terribly hard to find an angle.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

What we get to do is to attack the people we don’t like, using any rhetorical terms we want.

I appreciate that you’re being honest that you just use whatever angle you can find to push your personal issues without regard to integrity or authenticity. We already knew this, but it’s nice to know that you’re entirely conscious of being volitional in your lack of integrity.

You don’t get to dictate the tactics used by your opponents.

You’re not an opponent. You’re a troll using bad rhetoric to push bullshit. You’re like a bratty kid in elementary school writing “poop” on the wall in crayon and sticking out your tongue when we tell you that’s a stupid thing to do. You’re not coherent enough to play the role of a debate opponent. You don’t understand the illegitimate topics you mention enough to know they’re illegitimate because you’re just a repeater station for the propaganda of the echo chamber of conservative media you live in. You’ve been told to be outraged and like a good little tin soldier, you’re fighting your useless culture war. You clearly have no association or experience with these universities across the nation that you are randomly obsessed with, so it all comes off as a non sequitur.

Given that organizations like FIRE rank Harvard and Penn dead last in allowing free speech on their campuses, it’s not terribly hard to find an angle.

First, you generalized that all university campuses didn’t have free speech, so picking a couple now is disingenuous. Second, you should have realized that any ranking of universities will have to have someone at the bottom of the list, so picking the last ones is the weakest possible support for your disingenuous argument. You’d be better at proving your (bullshit) argument by showing that the universities at the top of the ranking have insufficient free speech on their campuses. “The last place participant wasn’t very good at running the race,” isn’t the ground breaking revelation you think it is. Also, it doesn’t mean free speech doesn’t exist on those campuses. It’s a comparison of universities, not a scale with an absolute zero where those in last are necessarily without any free speech.

You continually demonstrate that you have no understanding of even the irrelevant sources you randomly Google in desperate attempts to prove your incoherent points.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Against someone who’s not an opponent, that’s an awfully long message telling me that I’m wrong. But if you want to imagine me sticking my tongue out at you when I say that people can only ever be the sex of their bodies and that Black people murder each other at disproportionate rates and that the woke are generally filth, go ahead. You may even be right.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

Against someone who’s not an opponent, that’s an awfully long message telling me that I’m wrong.

It wasn’t for your benefit. You already know you’re arguing disingenuously. I enjoy pointing out numerous reasons to anyone in the audience who might not already see several angles of why you’re full of shit. But there are some I’ve probably missed, so others can also join in the fun.

But if you want to imagine me sticking my tongue out at you when I say that people can only ever be the sex of their bodies and that Black people murder each other at disproportionate rates and that the woke are generally filth, go ahead. You may even be right.

I’m more inclined to picture you brushing the lead paint chips off your shirt that have fallen from your mouth after eating a handful in between typing your nonsense.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

I notice you didn’t even try to address the actual points brought up, which kinda proves them right that you’re not actually an opponent. It’s more like when some guy bursts into a dojo or classroom to try to rile everyone up against the teacher or something, only for the teacher to just use them to help teach the class without even really paying that much attention to them.

ECA (profile) says:

Re: TROLL

Do you notice he derailed the whole conversation?

” woke filth, the deluded, and the liars would prefer that people who disagree with them just go elsewhere,”
POT calling the Coffee pot names? NOPE. He describes himself. Pure TROLL.

“very fact of how wrong TechDirt often is that should be driving people towards the site, to express their opposition”
I find this hilarious. As TD MARKS the troll comments but does not erase them. And its UP to the readers to deal wit them and TRY to have a conversation.

But as the wise man has said many times.
The smart person is silent, and listens to all opinions before creating his own.
A Smart person asks Questions, in search of answers, without making an opinion.
Never think there is only 1 way, as 1 billion other idiots will FIND another way to do the same thing.

Most trolls are questioning, Poking the dragon to see if it REALLY blows fire, not just smoke.
Many trolls, are almost smart, but Poke the Dragon to piss it off, and see how far he can run before being eaten.
A few trolls Love to goto the cave a “Pass a LOG” at the entrance, JUST to upset the dragon, as they sit back and watch.
What upsets the troll? Is nothing happening. Cause and affect, is what they are looking for. A OLD human need.
Iv said before that I treat people like I treat Pets. Until I can see they have a few brain cells working. Its Easy to deal with, and 99.9% of them DONT EVEN NOTICE.

Anonymous Coward says:

Ha! i may have never seen that reply to my comment if it hadn’t gotten second place funny. It definitely answered my question.

The second response certainly gives a more practical perspective, yet i still wonder what that “failed” is doing there. Maybe it needed a “to do so”, but i’m def on board with seizure avec glossolalia to explain the entire suit.

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