NY Federal Court: There’s A Right To Record Police Officers And State Law Says That Includes Inside Station Lobbies

from the better-take-down-those-signs,-coppers dept

The NYPD has plenty of problems with accountability and transparency. The main problem is this: the public wants some of this and the NYPD wants none of this. So, it does stupid things repeatedly that do little more than remind the public it’s not to be trusted.

Like any cop shop, it’s manned by cops who believe deliberate ignorance of the law is the best excuse. That’s why they continue to violate rights regularly, even when they obviously know they’re violating rights.

That’s what also gets the NYPD sued on the regular. Despite a pretty much affirmed right to record officers (under the First Amendment), policy directives reminding officers of this fact, and — much more importantly — a state law codifying this right, the NYPD still pretends it can control when and where it can be recorded.

And that, of course, has resulted in more litigation. SeanPaul Reyes — an independent journalist who always records his interactions with NYPD officers — sued the NYPD after officers told him he was not allowed to record them while standing in a precinct lobby. (h/t Volokh Conspiracy)

Reyes is a “First Amendment auditor,” the term used by people who use confrontational tactics to see if cops are willing to recognize their right to record. Some people think these “First Amendment auditors” are assholes. I mean, they sure seem to be. They get up in officers’ faces, pepper them with questions and shouted assertions, and generally make cops feel like they’re in the wrong even if they’re just going about their daily business. In other words, auditors act like cops while talking to cops. No wonder cops hate them. Cops would rather engage in harassment than be subjected to it.

So, Reyes was doing his normal auditor thing in the lobby of the 61st Precinct. While doing so, he was approached by Sergeant Tosares Korchimet, who informed Reyes he was not allowed to record in the lobby. And by “inform,” I mean Sergeant Korchimet pointed to a sign that stated “Members of the public are prohibited from audio/video recording or photography inside this facility.” Then he arrested Reyes when he refused to stop recording. This chain of events played out again two months later, resulting in a second arrest.

It’s not that the NYPD doesn’t have admittedly valid reasons for prohibiting recording inside precinct buildings. As this decision [PDF] notes, the NYPD could make a credible case for forum restriction that would possibly fall on the right side of the First Amendment.

Police precinct lobbies are areas generally used by members of the public to reports crimes and obtain information from law enforcement. The lobbies are open to the street or to a small vestibule that opens to the street and are accessible to the public twenty-four hours per day. Typically present in the lobby of a police precinct may be civilians who are victims of crimes, such as domestic violence or robbery. These individuals may be at the precinct in order to report a crime, retrieve a report they had previously made or talk to a member of the detective unit. There may also be confidential informants or those who the NYPD is trying to sign up as confidential informants. Members of the public can also use the lobby to obtain a complaint form alleging officer misconduct, as Plaintiff contends he was doing here.

[…]

There is no evidence that the government intended to open up police precinct lobbies for expressive activities, like peaceful protesting and leafleting, beyond being open to members of the public seeking assistance from the police. Nor is there evidence that these lobbies have been historically used for unrestricted expressive activities. Indeed, those activities would be at odds with the purpose of a police precinct lobby, a space for individuals to seek assistance from law enforcement.

So, there are good reasons for limiting or forbidding recordings in this space. On the other hand, it is open to the public, which means everyone in the lobby should be on notice their statements and actions may be seen by others.

And there’s reason to believe Reyes was also interested in recording things happening in areas not actually open to the public:

A couple minutes into the video, Reyes zoomed in on a police officer, standing in the doorway in front of a restricted area. Later, Reyes zoomed in to the restricted area behind the desk where civilians are able to speak with officers. The video recording also captures the hallway of a restricted area. Defendant’s witness stated that there did not appear to be sensitive information down that particular corridor, but that there can sometimes be posters containing sensitive information that is not generally meant for the public. At one point, the video recording captures Sergeant Korchimet entering a security code into a keypad. The video also captures the NYPD security cameras in the lobby, which Defendant’s witness has suggested creates a concern that those cameras could be documented and memorialized.

On top of that, the court admits there’s no appellate precedent firmly establishing a right to record in this particular circuit. But that doesn’t stop it from making that declaration on its own, using an ample amount of federal court precedent to back its assertion.

The Court first finds that recording police performing their official duties in public is protected under the First Amendment. Although the Second Circuit has not yet weighed in on whether recording the police is protected First Amendment activity, other circuits have uniformly recognized a First Amendment right to record the police performing their duties in public.

Then there’s a problem of the NYPD’s own making: it recognized in its response to the lawsuit that this right exists.

Moreover, the City does not contest that the right to record police is protected by the First Amendment. Tr. 75:1–5 (“Q: [D]oes the city dispute at all that there’s a First Amendment right to record policy activity? A: No.”); see also Patrol Guide at 2 (“Individuals have a right to lawfully observed and/or record policy activity . . . in public places, such as streets, sidewalks, and parks, as well as private property in which the individual has a legal right to be present, such as building, lobbies, workplaces or an individual’s own property.”); Administrative Guide at 2; NYPD Legal Bureau Bulletin at 1 (“Civilians have a constitutional right, as well as express
rights under state and local law, to observe and record police officers carrying out their duties.”).

There’s a presumptive First Amendment right to record police officers. The NYPD’s own statements and policies affirm there’s a right to record officers in public spaces. The concerns about the privacy of other people in precinct lobbies, as well as more nebulous concerns about officer safety could be enough to persuade a jury that the NYPD can legally forbid recordings in this area.

But there’s something far more local and specific that says the NYPD can’t do this: state law.

The Right to Record Acts allow for the recording of “law enforcement activity” and “police activities.” Defendant does not dispute that officers interacting with civilians in a police precinct are performing law enforcement or police activities. The Right to Record Acts do not carve out police precinct lobbies as places where individuals are not allowed to record and the Court declines to read that limitation into the Right to Record Acts. Citing to both Right toRecord Acts, the NYPD Legal Bureau Bulletin acknowledges that the right to record police activity “is codified in New York State and local law and extends to those individuals in both public places, such as streets, sidewalks, and parks, as well as private property such as a building, lobby, workplace, or an individual’s own property.” NYPD Legal Bureau Bulletin at 3 (emphasis in original).

To which the state has no answer other than expressing some very wishful thinking:

Defendant offers no opposition to Plaintiff’s argument, other than to claim that “[u]nder the First Amendment and as well as the State and City Right to Record Statutes, Plaintiff will not succeed on the merits.”

lol no

From earlier in the decision:

B. Plaintiff Has Demonstrated a Likelihood of Success on the Merits of the Right to Record Claims

The state may have had a case if it hadn’t passed a law that created more protection than that acknowledged by other federal courts under the First Amendment. It could have made the case it had legitimate reasons for restricting recordings inside precinct buildings, even in publicly accessible areas. But these two arrests were unlawful under state law. And precedential decisions from around the nation have held that even restrictions like these might fall on the wrong side of the Constitution.

Reyes secures his injunction, forbidding the NYPD from arresting people for recording in police station lobbies. On top of that, the NYPD is ordered to remove its signs declaring such recordings forbidden. The NYPD cannot legally forbid these recordings, not under state law. If the NYPD doesn’t like this, it can do what so many courts have suggested plaintiffs suffering clear rights violations do: take it up with legislators. What it definitely can’t do is continue to enforce policies that conflict with state law.

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Tirear says:

And there’s reason to believe Reyes was also interested in recording things happening in areas not actually open to the public:

They’re really complaining about this? Police try to observe as much as they can about areas they cannot enter from areas they can stand all the time, and courts have ruled that it isn’t illegal unless they use technology not generally available to the public or they detain a person without cause while they wait for a dog to arrive. Why should the rules be different when the roles are reversed? If the posters are not meant to be viewed by the public, then stop putting them somewhere visible from public areas.

Bergman (profile) says:

Re:

Much if the work police do – that they are supposed to do – absolutely relies upon the Plain View doctrine.

Specifically, that it is not an invasion of privacy, nor does it require a search warrant, to see something that is in plain view of somewhere you have a legal right to be. Whether that somewhere is a cop executing a search warrant for a stolen gun who happens to see a big pile of meth, or a cop operating a license plate scanner, or a first amendment auditor standing on a public sidewalk (or public building lobby), anything they can see from that place they have a right to be, they have a right to see. And with VERY few exceptions – mostly pertaining to national security – anything you can legally look at, you can legally photograph, and vice-versa.

It always astounds me how many cops will argue, when that doctrine is applied to them, that there is no possible way it could be valid law.

Erik says:

An honest question. Are the police within their rights to ask the journalist (or anyone really) to leave the lobby/premises if they aren’t conducting any business with the police? While I understand it’s a public building, they are allowed to set some rules/standards for access and use? I mean at some point if the auditor isn’t conducting business with the police he’s effectively loitering. For clarity, I’m not implicating the right to record in my question. I’m just asking if the police are within their authority to regulate access to the space.

Paul B says:

Re:

My general opinion would be yes, a Lobby is a place to do business with the police, its a limited resource that is subject to occupancy limits. The police use it for members of the public to make reports, people present themselves, and other normal actions given the course of busines. It is not a place to just “hang out”.

On the other hand, if the lobby is not full, or near full, you cant really ask people to leave if their business is done, as its still a public space.

I would assume if people were hanging out with cameras all day the cops could use occupancy limits along with lack of business as clear guidelines to get people to move on, or put in a simple time limit.

None of this stops a group from rotating people through with cameras to keep watch on the cops.

Doug says:

Re:

Generally speaking the cops can’t just trespass you because you’re filming in the lobby of a police station. Your typical loitering statute requires that a person is there for no purpose, or some kind of language to that effect, and if a photographer is doing a video tour of the lobby, or if they’re there to create a video journal of their own interactions with the police, it’s likely that the loitering statute would not apply or that it would be struck down in court. The cops don’t get to decide what qualifies as legitimate business, and the cops don’t get to set a time limit on how long you can be there.

Of course the cops can try to make whatever rules they want to make, and they can try to enforce them if they want, but if they exceed the Constitution then it will be thrown out as was the case here.

Bergman (profile) says:

Re:

Much like how you can’t legally set up a “whites only” grocery store, there are some classes of people that it is illegal to kick out.

For government agencies, protected classes include people exercising certain rights.

If the only difference in how two people are treated, is if one is exercising a right and the other is not, then that difference is illegal discrimination.

While doing so anyway usually results in a lawsuit, it is also an actual crime for government employees to use their official authority to deprive any person of rights. Exact severity of criminal penalties depends on circumstances, but it starts at a $1,000 fine and/or up to a year in prison. Iin extreme cases, it can result in life imprisonment without possibility of parole, or even execution.

Take note of the first two entries at this link – tgey’re the relevant laws regarding police depriving a person of first amendment rights:
https://www.justice.gov/crt/statutes-enforced-criminal-section

Doug says:

Not quite

Two points. First, Long Island Audits was polite, as you presumably saw when you watched the video, so your characterization of auditors as antagonist is simply at odds with reality. Please be more careful when generalizing, especially when the person at hand is a counterexample to your claim. Second, zooming in on a camera pointing at a window doesn’t actually indicate anything shady. Cameras can only see what our eyes could already see, so if the goal was to get privacy behind those windows, the cops should have already installed curtains or tint.

Doug says:

Re:

Oh, amd the third point. I think you were trying to suggest that police department lobbies could be limited public forums, and therefore the cops could restrict the first amendment to some degree. If that’s the argument you’re making, you’re being misleading and mistaken. Even in a limited public forum, a member of the public does have the right to record their own business, which would include things like reporting a crime or making a complaint on an officer.

Paul B says:

Re: Re:

I dont think anyone has an argument for recording your own interaction with cops. On the other hand sensentive people sometimes are required to interact with cops, say a rape victom, and espically if its a minor.

These are people who do indeed have special rules for their own protection, and these people would likly want to have non publically recorded interactions. Espically since the there very presense in a lobby could be used aginst them or used to threaten them.

I wish I could say this was spy games territory but a guy sitting in the lobby 24/7 posting everyone coming and going is an intimidating thing that could prevent normal people from coming out of fear or intimidation.

So yes, I am in favor of limited rules for a limited public forum that by todays norms did not traditionally have someone recording 24/7, nor people “hanging out” with no appointment or waiting to meet with someone.

Doug says:

Re: Re: Re:

I hear what you’re saying, but your proposed solution doesn’t solve the problem. If people are discussing private business in the lobby and are uncomfortable doing so, they need to go into a back room. Otherwise, anyone in earshot can hear them!

And if we aren’t in earshot, without audio, we don’t know why they’re there. Just because someone is on film doesn’t tell us the reason for their visit to the cop shop. Which is the same thing you get if the photographer is standing on the sidewalk. Or if someone requests security camera footage, which in many states is public record.

Finally, when most people go into the police station, they aren’t fearful of some random dude’s live stream. They’re fearful of the cops themselves. And with good reason, as the NYPD shows us time and again. The video in this case shows exactly why most of us would rather have multiple cameras around, especially some that aren’t controlled by the cops.

Copsmakemeshake says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Precisely

People who have sensitive business with the police should know they have no expectation of privacy in a public lobby, especially when anyone can FOIA the cameras the police always have in the lobby.

I also want to echo Doug’s comments that Reyes is ALWAYS respectful and employs deescalation, so saying “…auditors are usually assholes…” And, “…Reyes did his usual auditor thing…” Is inaccurate, and seems to paint the auditor with broad strokes. He’s putting himself in a tight spot just so he can litigate these cops, so being an asshole would undermine that. That said, some auditors really are jerks; just not this guy, at all.

Lastly, it’s worth noting that, according to Reyes and the legislator responsible for the explicit law allowing recording police in lobbies, the purpose was to prevent this exact chilling of protected speech/expression. The legislator took issue with cops saying their lobbies were off limits, so passed a law that explicitly forbade their behavior.

ECA (profile) says:

So..

“That’s why they continue to violate rights regularly, even when they obviously know they’re violating rights. ”

WHAT the hell do they TEACH cops? Because if its ‘Nothing’, then Why do they pay $1000’s for education of police?

And since the education ISNT getting into the heads NEEDING to be IN. Why not SUE the agency Educating the persons to be COPS??
UNLESS,
SOME IDIOT let them install a CLAUSE that they are not liable for educating the cops.
WHICH,
Is one hell of a way to leave it OPEN so there is NO background checks or Any personal Checks on the Students.
Gang’s Mafia, What ever group you want to protect the city. CAN NOW join the cops.

JUST aside:
What company Allows employees, NOT to know the job they are responsible for, and Generally educates them on more then 1 position in the work force?
How many can be sued, Just for looking at a Female WRONG? and what other regulations do they Follow, that the COPS seem to not have?

Including: Interpersonal SKILLS.

davec (profile) says:

I don’t know why anybody in their right mind would want to be a police officer today (and that alone should scare you). I assume conscription will be required at some point, but even conscripts will eventually demand release. At least with conscription, it would give the public some sense of what it is like to serve as a police officer.

Maybe you’ll use robots and AI?

I’m sure you’ll figure it out.

Why Police Officers Are Leaving: Low Pay, Overwork and High Costs – The New York Times (nytimes.com)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/14/nyregion/nypd-pay-work-costs.html

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Antagonize the very people you are supposed to protect and you get a hostile work environment by your own creation. It’s like taking a dump in your own pool then complain it stinks and is full of shit.

This isn’t hard to understand because nobody likes interacting with power-tripping assholes who might shoot you if you make a wrong move.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Yeah, imagine that! Turns out that when figures of authority get held accountable for shooting the unarmed and kneeing the breathless, bullies tend to be unhappy when they’re not allowed to punch down anymore. Shocker.

Someone’s angry that he doesn’t have enough racial minorities to shoot. Don’t worry, davec, I’m sure your blind devotion will convince the police to let you off with shooting your wife when the 2nd Amendment trigger kicks in.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

At least with conscription, it would give the public some sense of what it is like to serve as a police officer.

You mean like retire at 45 with a full pension and insurance for the rest of their lives?

Anyone who doesn’t want to be a cop can fuck right off to the private sector. There will be no problem finding cops with that incentive, whether you want to believe it or not.

It’s not complicated. It’s the reason why your son and the rest of your family continues to work in law enforcement, despite those ‘horrible working conditions’ you’re trying to sell here.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

As someone who used to know conscripted policemen…

You’re so far off the mark it ain’t funny. And the conscripted policemen do a far better job than the paid thugs in the US unless it involves politics…

Oh right, they get training. Better training than what the US pretends to give their “cops”, anyway.

And I’m still critical of the cops in my country.

Anthony Loro says:

NYPD

First of all, this is always been about power. As recent as seven years ago, NYPD would arrest you if you recorded them in the subway. Cops hate cameras they only wear them because we have paid for programs for them and are forced to wear them, proof of this is cops who will do felonies, even when their body cameras are running because they’re convinced they are right, NYPD was convinced that it could prevent photography that wasn’t theirs but don’t believe me just go to YouTube and search on “NYPD lawsuit”.

Anonymous Coward says:

Defendant’s witness has suggested creates a concern that those cameras could be documented and memorialized.

Anyone know what this statement actually means?

Like, “Here lies camera WP-PC964, it served its precinct well?”

I think what they meant is that someone could document the exact positioning and layout of the cameras such that someone could enter the lobby in the future in a manner that prevented them from being identified by the cameras. But properly placed cameras should be perfectly safe to have documented, as they’d have full coverage of the door and of each other.

But is there some legal “memorialized” term here that I’m just unfamiliar with? Something going on that’s a legitimate concern?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

I think what they meant is that someone could document the exact positioning and layout of the cameras such that someone could enter the lobby in the future in a manner that prevented them from being identified by the cameras.

I would expect ‘law enforcement’ to use proper best security practices during design and installation to prevent that. It’s a room with presumably n number of walls, ceiling, and floor, and of a limited size. There are only so many places to install cameras, and that’s before considering (I dunno, it’s old school), but how about a mask of some sort?

If security solely depends on something you can’t prevent someone from easily seeing, then security must not have been considered in the design. I’d expect better from law enforcement, but sadly if there’s something they can fuck up, they will.

LostInLoDOS (profile) says:

Op Ed

Stay with me here. Tim isn’t wrong, but he’s not right either. The court, here, passed the buck. Quite literally.

When you are in public,
You can be recorded. That’s a well established doctrine under 1A.
The concerns come on what is public, and what is public access.

Being open to the public does not instantly grant public access. Nor are full public rights guaranteed.
You can’t record at a theatre, even in the lobby.
Many courts and government offices enforce strict no recording rules.
Being open to the public does not make it public.

There are very good reasons to NOT allow recording in police stations. As the case described.

you want to hand over video and photo evidence of victims and informants to the general public?
Talk about arse up backwards.

Anonymous Coward says:

Another example of Techdirt misleading… Sean Reyes is clearly very respectful in this video, he isn’t there to drum up and create problems. Granted he is there to see how he will be treated. Sadly had the police officers followed the laws they are sworn to enforce. This would’ve been a non-story. But instead they resorted to force and escalation.

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