Elon Musk’s ‘War’ On Possibly Imaginary Scrapers Now A Lawsuit, Which Might Actually Work
from the killing-the-open-web dept
Elon Musk seems infatuated with bots and scrapers as the root of all his problems at Twitter. Given his propensity to fire engineers who tell him things he doesn’t want to hear, it’s not difficult to believe that engineers afraid to tell Musk the truth are conveniently blaming “scraping” on the variety of problems that Twitter has had since Musk’s YOLO leadership style at Twitter has knocked out some fundamental tools that kept the site reliable in the before times.
He tried to blame bots for spam (which he’s claimed repeatedly to have dealt with, but then gone back to blaming them for other things, because he hasn’t actually stopped automated spam). His attempts to “stop the bots” has resulted in a series of horrifically stupid decision-making, including believing that his non-verification Twitter Blue system would solve it (it didn’t), believing that cutting off free API access would drive away the spam bots (it drove away the good bots), and then believing that rate limiting post views would somehow magically stop scraping bots (which might only be scraping because of his earlier dumb decision to kill off the API).
The latest, though, is that last week Twitter went to court last week to sue ‘John Doe’ scrapers in a Texas court. And while I’ve long argued that scraping should be entirely legal, court precedents may be on Twitter’s side here.
Scraping is part of how the internet works and has always worked. The war on scraping is problematic for all sorts of reasons, and is an attack on the formerly open web. Unfortunately, though, courts are repeatedly coming out against scraping.
So, while I’d argue that this, from the complaint, is utter nonsense, multiple courts seem to disagree and find the argument perfectly plausible:
Scraping is a form of unauthorized data collection that uses automation and other processes to harvest data from a website or a mobile application.
Scraping interferes with the legitimate operation of websites and mobile applications, including Twitter, by placing millions of requests that tax the capacity of servers and impair the experience of actual users.
This is not how any of this should work, and is basically just an attack on the open web. Yes, scraping bots can overwhelm a site, but it’s on the site itself to block it, not the courts.
Twitter users have no control over how data-scraping companies repackage and sell their personal information.
This sounds scary, but again is nonsense. Scraping only has access to public information. If you post information publicly, then of course users don’t have control over that information any more. That’s how information works.
The complaint says that Twitter (I’m not fucking calling it ‘X Corp.’) has discovered IP addresses engaged in “flooding Twitter’s sign-up page with automated requests.” The complaint says:
The volume of these requests far exceeded what any single individual could send to a server in a given period and clearly indicated that these automated requests were aimed at scraping data from Twitter.
This also feels like a stretch. It seems like the more likely reason for flooding a sign up page is to create spam accounts. That’s also bad, of course, but it’s not clear how this automatically suggests scraping.
Of course, there have been a bunch of scraping cases in the past, and there are some somewhat mixed precedents here. There was the infamous Power.com case, that said it could be a CFAA (Computer Fraud and Abuse Act) violation to scrape content from behind a registration wall (even if the user gave permission). Last year, there was the April ruling in the 9th Circuit on LinkedIn/HiQ which notably said that scraping from a public website rather than a registration-walled website could not be a CFAA violation.
Indeed, much of the reporting on Twitter’s new lawsuit is pointing to that decision. But, unfortunately, that’s the wrong decision to look at. Months later, the same court ruled again in that case (in a ruling that got way less attention) that even if the scraping wasn’t a CFAA violation, it was still a a violation of LinkedIn’s terms of service, and granted an injunction against the scrapers.
Given the framing in the complaint, Twitter seems to be arguing the same thing (rather than a CFAA violation, that this is a terms of service violation). On top of that, this case is filed in Texas state court, and at least in federal court in Texas, the 5th Circuit has found that scraping data can be considered “unjust enrichment.”
In other words, as silly as this is, and as important scraping is to the open web, it seems that courts are buying the logic of this kind of lawsuit, meaning that Twitter’s case is probably stronger than it should be.
Of course, Twitter still needs to figure out who is actually behind these apparent scraping IP addresses, and then show that they actually were scraping. And who knows if the company will be able to do that. In the meantime, though, this is yet another case, following in the unfortunate pattern of Facebook, LinkedIn, and even Craigslist, to spit on the open web they were built on.
Filed Under: lawsuits, scraping, terms of service, texas
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Comments on “Elon Musk’s ‘War’ On Possibly Imaginary Scrapers Now A Lawsuit, Which Might Actually Work”
In other news, some are proposing to start calling “tweets” – “grimes”.
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I certainly feel kind of grimy every time I have to visit Twitter nowadays.
My understanding is, wasn’t an issue until Twitter made authentication mandatory, and created a load on the login page.
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Another day, another piece in which MM lays bare his obsessive hate for Mr. Musk, never missing an opportunity to mock or criticize in starkly personal (and, frankly, disturbing) terms.
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Another day, another excuse for Jhon to pretend that his scams weren’t scams and that Jhon doesn’t have sour grapes.
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Would you please explain what “Jhon” means in the context above? Is it supposed to be an insult? Is it an abbreviation or shorthand for some insider language you and the other MM-minions use at TD?
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For someone so intent on obsessing over Techdirt and its supposed “obsession” with noted idiot Elon Musk, you sure do seem to be ignorant about this site’s regular trolls even as you’re becoming one.
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Many decaffeinated brands have as full a flavor as the regular brands these days. You might look into it.
You could have replied: “Jhon is the name used by one of the several trolls that frequent the Techdirt forums”. It doesn’t have to be a big thing.
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Are you sure you’re not noted Amazon scammer, perennial opponent of Section 230, Shiva Ayyadurai simp and general bad faith asshole Jhon Smith?
Everyone has a bias, and you clearly, despite your terf claimings, seem like you’d support insurrectionists.
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Why? You clearly established your trollish credentials without even being prodded so you didn’t deserve any kind of respect.
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Impotence and dementia are a real 1-2 combo there Jhon boi.
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The only one here who seems obsessive about hating someone is you. Have you ever thought about HOSTS-file blocking Techdirt out of your life?
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The only things I hate are the patriarchy and heteronormativity, and racial disparities in policing (which is primarily why I read TD, for Tim C’s reporting on the all-too-common abuses of a certain demographic by law enforcement).
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It’s a weird world in which “hate” is displayed by… suggesting Musk might win his lawsuit?
“Twitter” has formally been renamed as “X” – pronounced: “The app formerly know as “Twitter””
This is soooo Prince circa 1990-something
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Musk has been obsessed with X . com since the Paypal days. He wanted to go with that, instead of Paypal, and apparently still owns the domain. So the timing matches up, since that was in the 1990s.
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It’d be a special kind of sad and depraved if Musk really did keep trying to name everything in his life “X”—including his own child!—because the other people at PayPal told him “X” was a stupid name for an app some 25 years ago.
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He should change his own name to Elon X. Then we can all him Mr. X which would be all mysterious and stuff. He could also claim to be related to a great civil rights activist.
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Please .. no spandex, ok?
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I think you mean spand-X
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In other words, “Elon Musk just launched a Twitter-killer app”.
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Something about Deck chairs and sinking ships comes to mind.
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From Ken White (@Popehat@mastodon.social):
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Maybe we can have Musk reveal a new product while having the word SLAVE written upon his forehead. He’ll hop out of a little red Corvette while wearing a raspberry beret.
or maybe he just changed the logo and not the company name…he trolls the world
This is likely an ill-advised lawsuit, but the idea that a website should be solely responsible for dealing with blocking malicious users/bots is more or less the same argument for those bullshit age verification laws saying that users lie or misrepresent themselves therefore the platform should be solely responsible for making sure that users aren’t lying.
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Very different. That’s talking about legal liability. Here I’m just talking about who should be responsible for stopping bots/scraping. Should it be a technical thing, or should the courts step in? I think the courts are the wrong place.
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Your rationale for it being the wrong place might well be:
because by the time you get a resolution in court, even if that DOES quell those scrapers, a whole new crop has grown up. Do you want to spend your life in court not getting anywhere, or do you want to write code?