DOJ Asks Judge To Block Backpage From Talking About Legal Ads, First Amendment, Section 230
from the no-fair!-the-defendant-brought-a-gun-to-a-gunfight! dept
The DOJ must not have much confidence in its case against Backpage executives Michael Lacey and James Larkin. This prosecution is now more than a half-decade old and the government still hasn’t found a way to lock up the many Backpage employees and founders it arrested.
The Backpage site was seized in 2018. This followed years of selective prosecution all over the nation — none of which had resulted in criminal or civil charges sticking against the supposed haven for sex traffickers. Three years after that, the trial finally started, with the DOJ arguing (often without using these exact words) that Backpage not only knew sex trafficking was happening via the site, but aided and abetted this criminal act.
Ignored by the DOJ was the fact that law enforcement viewed Backpage as a valuable tool for tracking down sex traffickers. It also ignored the help Backpage had directly provided to investigators hoping to locate traffickers and their victims.
The DOJ managed to talk itself into a mistrial less than a week after the trial commenced. The judge hit the reset on the prosecution after DOJ prosecutors ignored her warning to stop focusing on the specifics of the alleged sex trafficking.
Before the trial, the judge concluded she would allow evidence showing that people were trafficked using the site, but would not allow prosecutors to linger on the details of the abuse suffered by victims.
“It seemed the government abused that leeway,” Brnovich said. The judge said one government witness testified about being raped more than once, which raises a “whole new emotional response from people.”
The DOJ can’t seem to keep itself from talking about stuff a judge told it to stop talking about. So, it’s pretty rich the DOJ thinks the judge should prevent Backpage and its legal team from talking about all sorts of things that seem very relevant to their defense. Elizabeth Nolan Brown has the details (and a ton of court documents) at Reason.
In a series of motions filed yesterday, the government seeks to prevent the Backpage defendants’ legal team from making basically any reasonable attempt to defend against the charges against them.
Most egregiously, prosecutors want to bar them from mentioning the First Amendment. But the First Amendment is at the center of this case, which revolves around user-generated ads posted to a digital classified-advertising platform. The very crux of the matter is online content and speech.
The DOJ is unwilling to participate in a fair fight. It has already shown it will ignore the court’s orders when it presents its side. And now it wants to prevent Backpage from discussing anything that might weaken the government’s case.
The First Amendment tops the list of subjects the DOJ wants to forbid from making a court appearance. But that’s only one of the DOJ’s motions. There’s a whole lot more the DOJ feels Backpage should just shut up about.
A flurry of filed motions suggest Backpage should do nothing more than sit quietly and allow the DOJ to talk its founders into prison. One motion says the defendants shouldn’t be allowed to make any statements about “the legality or illegality of any advertisement.” Another says Backpage should be forbidden from referencing Section 230 of the CDA whatsoever. The argument there is that this immunity does not apply to federal criminal prosecutions. But that conveniently ignores the value it has for Backpage, which could use it to illustrate that it’s being prosecuted for content contributed by third parties, despite the fact that it could not be sued over this very same content.
Yet another motion asks that Lacey, Larkin, and other Backpage employees be blocked from mentioning their actions were guided by their legal team, which had assured them their business model did not violate the law. This is the government asking the court to tie Backpage’s hands, allowing it to make unchallenged allegations about criminal intent.
And, ironically, the government wants the Backpage legal team blocked from mentioning the DOJ’s spectacular one-week flameout during its first prosecutorial attempt. The government expects the defendants to abide by a laundry list of court-imposed restrictions when it previously demonstrated it couldn’t be bothered to comply with a single request by the presiding judge.
The DOJ has been criticized for its trial by ambush tactics before. This isn’t an ambush, though. This is the government tacitly agreeing to a fair fight and then asking the impartial observer to strip its opponents of all of its weapons before the fight begins. This is complete bullshit. Hopefully, the judge will toss these just as quickly as the DOJ filed them. If the DOJ wants to use its considerable power to punish people for things other people did, the least it can do is allow those it’s trying to punish to fully defend themselves.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, doj, free speech, james larkin, michael lacey, section 230
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Comments on “DOJ Asks Judge To Block Backpage From Talking About Legal Ads, First Amendment, Section 230”
Once again the DOJ showing that it is the department of judgement, and it this case it has made its judgement and nobody should be allowed to contest it.
“We’re just trying to make things more fair…to us.” — the DOJ, probably
Corporations have 1st amendment rights but their employees do not
The US Supreme Court has ruled that corporations have first amendment rights to express themselves by giving money to politicians, but here the US DOJ is arguing that the people who ran the corporation do not have first amendment rights to provide actual information. Lovely.
I am not a lawyer. However it seems to me forbidding raising a first amendment defense would… violate the first amendment. Since all the government needs to do to abridge free speech is first bar first amendment defenses (and challenges).
That is to say: being able to bar a first amendment defense is to render the first amendment powerless.
Re: in the proper context
The prosecution will argue, and the judge will likely agree, that the place to raise First Amendment issues is on appeal. Jurors are not to be confused with matters like whether or not the law itself is just.
Why not
Ask for the same rights given to every newspaper, and TV network.
DOJ to defendant: you are GUILTY!
DOJ to judge: Your honor, please forbid them from arguing!
Re: You make it sound like satire
That actually is the legal standard for Espionage Act cases.
To quote from Wikipedia:
Reference is The Guardian.
Silly peons, your guilt has already been determined! What would be the point in allowing you to mount a defense?
–I’m disturbingly reminded of Cardassian jurisprudence from Star Trek.
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Teach me to skim the comments before posting mine, looks like someone beat me to the cardassian reference.
Re: Re: Cardassian?
That’s how the Ellsberg trial (“Pentagon Papers”) went. Not allowed a defense, Ellsberg’s guilty verdict was a foregone conclusion. He was lucky that the judge threw the case out of court after getting informed that the government had burglared into Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s offices for getting dirt on him and had been wiretapping privileged communications.
With the government behaving itself so outrageously that the judge could not even uphold the illusion of a straightforward judicial farce instead of a criminal enterprise, the judge chose to call it quits.
Beat that, Cardassians.
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given that backpage gathers larger user community than mickey mouse, maybe you should update all the links pointing there with a link to meshpage.
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Maybe you should watch that not happen and die mad about it.
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Guy can’t even get his own government to use his shitty software, and he thinks simping for the DOJ’s case against a website that has never even so much as breathed the idea that Meshpage exists is going to make any significant difference.
Copyright, not even once.
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microsoft has this same problem, even though they were early to the consumer market. I didn’t have the advantage of early market entry, so only awesome software quality is going to open the floodgates. Given that internet thinks that one person has zero chance of getting good quality, much less awesome quality done, the requested operation seems all but impossible.
Thus I feel like Luke Skywalker when he says that he has already learned so much and that he’s ready and not afraid.
'This would go a lot quicker if you'd stop claiming innocence.'
I see the DOJ is a practitioner of the Cardassian model of law.
‘They wouldn’t be in court if they weren’t guilty so the only arguments allowed to the defense is graciously acknowledging their guilt.’
So, the Government can make you swear an oath, then ban you from honouring it?
Defendant’s opening statement:
“for reasons no citizen of a free country can comprehend, the government has put here, made me swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and then barred any mention of the subject matter required to provide any truthful answers. In effect, they have made it illegal to honour the oath they made me take.”
“So…are we done here, or do you want to make it official and march me out the back door and put an end to this trial the old fashioned way?”
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Defendants are never (afaik) required to testify.
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This is true. So far as the U.S. legal system goes, a defendant has the right to testify if they so choose, but they can’t be compelled to testify.
Re: Re: Perhaps, but sometimes choice is forced
If I find myself dragged into court by the government, anything I might “choose” to do or not do while there is absolutely something the government is forcing me to do.
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Not…really? I mean, the government can drag your ass into court, but it can’t make you take the stand in your own defense regardless of the quality of its case. Hell, that’s one of the promises laid out in the Fifth Amendment.
Re: Re: Re:2 It's about the scope
I realize they can’t make me take the stand, but if I feel it’s the best way to defend my innocence and get out of a situation forced upon me, then taking the stand would be something I would feel forced to do.
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Any situation where you’re accused of doing/saying something by someone else is a situation that’s forced upon you. Yes, a criminal trial is far more drastic a situation than, say, your best friend accusing you of fucking their wife. But you still get to decide whether you’ll speak out in your own defense.
Re: Re: Re:2 Or, to simplify
If I find myself forced into a contrived and unjust situation where my tormentors make the rules, and are in full control of what options I am allowed to use to prove myself worthy of release, then whatever options I “choose” are options that have been forced upon me.
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“If I find myself forced into a contrived and unjust situation where my tormentors make the rules, …then whatever options I “choose” are options that have been forced upon me.” Sounds like most of the recent elections.
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They can also make wearing and not wearing a mask a crime.
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Due to freedom of religion, the US government cannot legally compel anyone to swear an oath; an affirmation is always an option. Although that’s almost the same thing, and a person can be compelled to “swear or affirm”.
Re: Re: oath or affirmation
Fun fact: the phrases “oath or affirmation” and “swear (or affirm)” are in the Constitution because Quakers don’t swear oaths.
a stinging retort
I hope the defense replies with a motion to bar the prosecution from mentioning any element of the alleged crimes.
“We’ll refrain from alleging that our actions were legal, if you’ll refrain from alleging that our actions were illegal. That’s fair ain’t it?”
DOJ… I think their definition of justice is different than ours…
Kerkhoff: The defense has talked to you a little bit about reasonable doubt. You’re going to get an instruction from the Judge. And you can tell it’s clearly written by a bunch of lawyers. It doesn’t mean a whole lot. But look at the last line.
backpage
apparently Larkin thought they had enough on him to kill himself. suicide in this arena is pretty much an admission of guilt. and a chicken shit thing to do to your co defendant leaving him to hold the bag. He was offered 3 years and turned it down and went and killed himself. i guess playing golf for the next three years scared the shit out of him. obviously he didn’t care much about his family either.