Twitter Admits in Court Filing: Elon Musk Is Simply Wrong About Government Interference At Twitter

from the confirmation-idiocy dept

It is amazing the degree to which some people will engage in confirmation bias and believe absolute nonsense, even as the facts show the opposite is true. Over the past few months, we’ve gone through the various “Twitter Files” releases, and pointed out over and over again how the explanations people gave for them simply don’t match up with the underlying documents.

To date, not a single document revealed has shown what people now falsely believe: that the US government and Twitter were working together to “censor” people based on their political viewpoints. Literally none of that has been shown at all. Instead, what’s been shown is that Twitter had a competent trust & safety team that debated tough questions around how to apply policies for users on their platform and did not seem at all politically motivated in their decisions. Furthermore, while various government entities sometimes did communicate with the company, there’s little evidence of any attempt by government officials to compel Twitter to moderate in any particular way, and Twitter staff regularly and repeatedly rebuffed any attempt by government officials to go after certain users or content.

Now, as you may recall, two years ago, a few months after Donald Trump was banned from Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube, he sued the companies, claiming that the banning violated the 1st Amendment. This was hilariously stupid for many reasons, not the least of which is because at the time of the banning Donald Trump was the President of the United States, and these companies were very much private entities. The 1st Amendment restricts the government, not private entities, and it absolutely does not restrict private companies from banning the President of the United States should the President violate a site’s rules.

As expected, the case went poorly for Trump, leading to it being dismissed. It is currently on appeal. However, in early May, Trump’s lawyers filed a motion to effectively try to reopen the case at the district court, arguing that the Twitter Files changed everything, and that now there was proof that Trump’s 1st Amendment rights were violated.

In October of 2022, after the entry of this Court’s Judgment, Twitter was acquired by Elon Musk. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Musk invited several journalists to review Twitter’s internal records. Allowing these journalists to search for evidence that Twitter censored content that was otherwise compliant with Twitter’s “TOS”, the journalists disclosed their findings in a series of posts on Twitter collectively known as the Twitter Files. As set out in the attached Rule 60 motion, the Twitter Files confirm Plaintiffs’ allegations that Twitter engaged in a widespread censorship campaign that not only violated the TOS but, as much of the censorship was the result of unlawful government influence, violated the First Amendment.

I had been thinking about writing this up as a story, but things got busy, and last week Twitter (which, again, is now owned by Elon Musk who has repeatedly made ridiculously misleading statements about what the Twitter Files showed) filed its response, where they say (with risk of sanctions on the line) that this is all bullshit and nothing in the Twitter Files says what Trump (and Elon, and a bunch of his fans) claim it says. This is pretty fucking damning to anyone who believed the nonsense Twitter Files narrative.

The new materials do not plausibly suggest that Twitter suspended any of Plaintiffs’ accounts pursuant to any state-created right or rule of conduct. As this Court held, Lugar’s first prong requires a “clear,” government-imposed rule. Dkt. 165 at 6. But, as with Plaintiffs’ Amended Complaint, the new materials contain only a “grab-bag” of communications about varied topics, none establishing a state-imposed rule responsible for Plaintiffs’ challenged content-moderation decisions. The new materials cover topics ranging, for example, from Hunter Biden’s laptop, Pls.’ Exs. A.14 & A.27-A.28, to foreign interference in the 2020 election, Pls.’ Exs. A.13 at, e.g., 35:15-41:4, A.22, A.37, A.38, to techniques used in malware and ransomware attacks, Pls.’ Ex. A.38. As with the allegations in the Amended Complaint, “[i]t is … not plausible to conclude that Twitter or any other listener could discern a clear state rule” from such varied communications. Dkt. 165 at 6. The new materials would not change this Court’s dismissal of Plaintiffs’ First Amendment claims for this reason alone.

Moreover, a rule of conduct is imposed by the state only if backed by the force of law, as with a statute or regulation. See Sutton v. Providence St. Joseph Med. Ctr., 192 F.3d 826, 835 (9th Cir. 1999) (regulatory requirements can satisfy Lugar’s first prong). Here, nothing in the new materials suggests any statute or regulation dictating or authorizing Twitter’s content-moderation decisions with respect to Plaintiffs’ accounts. To the contrary, the new materials show that Twitter takes content-moderation actions pursuant to its own rules and policies. As attested to by FBI Agent Elvis Chan, when the FBI reported content to social media companies, they would “alert the social media companies to see if [the content] violated their terms of service,” and the social media companies would then “follow their own policies” regarding what actions to take, if any. Pls.’ Ex. A.13 at 165:9-22 (emphases added); accord id. at 267:19-23, 295:24-296:4. And general calls from the Biden administration for Twitter and other social media companies to “do more” to address alleged misinformation, see Pls.’ Ex. A.47, fail to suggest a state-imposed rule of conduct for the same reasons this Court already held the Amended Complaint’s allegations insufficient: “[T]he comments of a handful of elected officials are a far cry from a ‘rule of decision for which the State is responsible’” and do not impose any “clear rule,” let alone one with the force of law. Dkt. 165 at 6. The new materials thus would not change this Court’s determination that Plaintiffs have not alleged any deprivation caused by a rule of conduct imposed by the State.

Later on it goes further:

Plaintiffs appear to contend (Pls.’ Ex. 1 at 16-17) that the new materials support an inference of state action in Twitter’s suspension of Trump’s account because they show that certain Twitter employees initially determined that Trump’s January 2021 Tweets (for which his account was ultimately suspended) did not violate Twitter’s policy against inciting violence. But these materials regarding Twitter’s internal deliberations and disagreements show no governmental participation with respect to Plaintiffs’ accounts. See Pls.’ Exs. A.5.5, A-49-53.5

Plaintiffs are also wrong (Ex. 1 at 15-16) that general calls from the Biden administration to address alleged COVID-19 misinformation support a plausible inference of state action in Twitter’s suspensions of Cuadros’s and Root’s accounts simply because they “had their Twitter accounts suspended or revoked due to Covid-19 content.” For one thing, most of the relevant communications date from Spring 2021 or later, after Cuadros and Roots’ suspensions in 2020 and early 2021, respectively, see Pls.’ Ex. A.46-A.47; Am. Compl. ¶¶124, 150. Such communications that “post-date the relevant conduct that allegedly injured Plaintiffs … do not establish [state] action.” Federal Agency of News LLC v. Facebook, Inc., 432 F. Supp. 3d 1107, 1125-26 (N.D. Cal. 2020). Additionally, the new materials contain only general calls on Twitter to “do more” to address COVID-19 misinformation and questions regarding why Twitter had not taken action against certain other accounts (not Plaintiffs’). Pls.’ Exs. A.43-A.48. Such requests to “do more to stop the spread of false or misleading COVID-19 information,” untethered to any specific threat or requirement to take any specific action against Plaintiffs, is “permissible persuasion” and not state action. Kennedy v. Warren, 66 F.4th 1199, 1205, 1207-12 (9th Cir. 2023). As this Court previously held, government actors are free to “urg[e]” private parties to take certain actions or “criticize” others without giving rise to state action. Dkt. 165 at 12-13. Because that is the most that the new materials suggest with respect to Cuadros and Root, the new materials would not change this Court’s dismissal of their claims.

Twitter’s filing is like a beat-by-beat debunking of the conspiracy theories pushed by the dude who owns Twitter. It’s really quite incredible.

First, the simple act of receiving information from the government, or of deciding to act upon that information, does not transform a private actor into a state actor. See O’Handley, 62 F.4th at 1160 (reports from government actors “flagg[ing] for Twitter’s review posts that potentially violated the company’s content-moderation policy” were not state action). While Plaintiffs have attempted to distinguish O’Handley on the basis of the repeated communications reflected in the new materials, (Ex. 1 at 13), O’Handley held that such “flag[s]” do not suggest state action even where done “on a repeated basis” through a dedicated, “priority” portal. Id. The very documents on which Plaintiffs rely establish that when governmental actors reported to social media companies content that potentially violated their terms of service, the companies, including Twitter, would “see if [the content] violated their terms of service,” and, “[i]f [it] did, they would follow their own policies” regarding what content-moderation action was appropriate. Pls.’ Ex. A.13 at 165:3-17; accord id. at 296:1-4 (“[W]e [the FBI] would send information about malign foreign influence to specific companies as we became aware of it, and then they would review it and determine if they needed to take action.”). In other words, Twitter made an independent assessment and acted accordingly.

Moreover, the “frequen[t] [] meetings” on which Plaintiffs rely heavily in attempting to show joint action fall even farther short of what was alleged in O’Handley because, as discussed supra at 7, they were wholly unrelated to the kinds of content-moderation decisions at issue here.

Second, contrary to Plaintiffs’ contention (Ex. 1 at 11-12), the fact that the government gave certain Twitter employees security clearance does not transform information sharing into state action. The necessity for security clearance reflects only the sensitive nature of the information being shared— i.e., efforts by “[f]oreign adversaries” to “undermine the legitimacy of the [2020] election,” Pls.’ Ex. A.22. It says nothing about whether Twitter would work hand-in-hand with the federal government. Again, when the FBI shared sensitive information regarding possible election interference, Twitter determined whether and how to respond. Pls.’ Ex. A.13 at 165:3-17, 296:1-4.

Third, Plaintiffs are also wrong (Ex. 1 at 12-13) that Twitter became a state actor because the FBI “pay[ed] Twitter millions of dollars for the staff [t]ime Twitter expended in handling the government’s censorship requests.” For one thing, the communication on which Plaintiffs rely in fact explains that Twitter was reimbursed $3 million pursuant to a “statutory right of reimbursement for time spent processing” “legal process” requests. Pls.’ Ex. A.34 (emphasis added). The “statutory right” at issue is that created under the Stored Communications Act for costs “incurred in searching for, assembling, reproducing, or otherwise providing” electronic communications requested by the government pursuant to a warrant. 18 U.S.C. § 2706(a), see also id. § 2703(a). The reimbursements were not for responding to requests to remove any accounts or content and thus are wholly irrelevant to Plaintiffs’ joint-action theory

And, in any event, a financial relationship supports joint action only where there is complete “financial integration” and “indispensability.” Vincent v. Trend W. Tech. Corp., 828 F.2d 563, 569 (9th Cir. 1987) (quotation marks omitted). During the period in which Twitter recovered $3 million (late 2019 through early 2021), the company was valued at approximately $30 billion. Even Plaintiffs do not argue that a $3 million payment would be indispensable to Twitter.

I mean, if you read Techdirt, you already knew about all this, because we debunked the nonsense “government paid Twitter to censor” story months ago, even as Elon Musk was falsely tweeting exactly that. And now, Elon’s own lawyers are admitting that the company’s owner is completely full of shit or too stupid to actually read any of the details in the Twitter files. It’s incredible.

It goes on. Remember how Elon keeps insisting that the government coerced Twitter to make content moderation decisions? Well, Twitter’s own lawyers say that’s absolute horseshit. I mean, much of the following basically is what my Techdirt posts have explained:

The new materials do not evince coercion because they contain no threat of government sanction premised on Twitter’s failure to suspend Plaintiffs’ accounts. As this Court already held, coercion requires “a concrete and specific government action, or threatened action” for failure to comply with a governmental dictate. Dkt. 165 at 11. Even calls from legislators to “do something” about Plaintiffs’ Tweets (specifically, Mr. Trump’s) do not suggest coercion absent “any threatening remark directed to Twitter.” Id. at 7. The Ninth Circuit has since affirmed the same basic conclusion, holding in O’Handley that “government officials do not violate the First Amendment when they request that a private intermediary not carry a third party’s speech so long as the officials do not threaten adverse consequences if the intermediary refuses to comply.” 62 F.4th at 1158. Like the Amended Complaint, the new materials show, at most, attempts by the government to persuade and not any threat of punitive action, and thus would not alter the Court’s dismissal of Plaintiffs’ First Amendment claims.

FBI Officials. None of the FBI’s communications with Twitter cited by Plaintiffs evince coercion because they do not contain a specific government demand to remove content—let alone one backed by the threat of government sanction. Instead, the new materials show that the agency issued general updates about their efforts to combat foreign interference in the 2020 election. For example, one FBI email notified Twitter that the agency issued a “joint advisory” on recent ransomware tactics, and another explained that the Treasury department seized domains used by foreign actors to orchestrate a “disinformation campaign.” Pls.’ Ex. A.38. These informational updates cannot be coercive because they merely convey information; there is no specific government demand to do anything—let alone one backed by government sanction.

So too with respect to the cited FBI emails flagging specific Tweets. The emails were phrased in advisory terms, flagging accounts they believed may violate Twitter’s policies—and Twitter employees received them as such, independently reviewing the flagged Tweets. See, e.g., Pls.’ Exs. A.30 (“The FBI San Francisco Emergency Operations Center sent us the attached report of 207 Tweets they believe may be in violation of our policies.”), A.31, A.40. None even requested—let alone commanded—Twitter to take down any content. And none threatened retaliatory action if Twitter did not remove the flagged Tweets. As in O’Handley, therefore, the FBI’s “flags” cannot amount to coercion because there was “no intimation that Twitter would suffer adverse consequences if it refused.” 62 F.4th at 1158. What is more, unlike O’Handley, not one of the cited communications contains a request to take any action whatsoever with respect to any of Plaintiffs’ accounts.6

Plaintiffs’ claim (Ex. 1 at 14) that the FBI’s “compensation of Twitter for responding to its requests” had coercive force is meritless. As a threshold matter, as discussed supra at 10, the new materials demonstrate only that Twitter exercised its statutory right—provided to all private actors—to seek reimbursement for time it spent processing a government official’s legal requests for information under the Stored Communications Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2706; see also id. § 2703. The payments therefore do not concern content moderation at all—let alone specific requests to take down content. And in any event, the Ninth Circuit has made clear that, under a coercion theory, “receipt of government funds is insufficient to convert a private [actor] into a state actor, even where virtually all of the [the party’s] income [i]s derived from government funding.” Heineke, 965 F.3d at 1013 (quotation marks omitted) (third alteration in original). Therefore, Plaintiffs’ reliance on those payments does not evince coercion.

What about the pressure from Congress? That too is garbage, admits Twitter:

Congress. The new materials do not contain any actionable threat by Congress tied to Twitter’s suspension of Plaintiffs’ accounts. First, Plaintiffs place much stock (Ex. 1 at 14-15) in a single FBI agent’s opinion that Twitter employees may have felt “pressure” by Members of Congress to adopt a more proactive approach to content moderation, Pls.’ Ex. A13 at 117:15-118:6. But a third-party’s opinion as to what Twitter’s employees might have felt is hardly dispositive. And in any event, “[g]enerating public pressure to motivate others to change their behavior is a core part of public discourse,” and is not coercion absent a specific threatened sanction for failure to comply….

White House Officials. The new materials do not evince any actionable threat by White House officials either. Plaintiffs rely (Ex. 1 at 16) on a single statement by a Twitter employee that “[t]he Biden team was not satisfied with Twitter’s enforcement approach as they wanted Twitter to do more and to deplatform several accounts,” Pls.’ Ex. A.47. But those exchanges took place in December 2022, id.— well after Plaintiffs’ suspensions, and so could not have compelled Twitter to suspend their accounts. Furthermore, the new materials fail to identify any threat of government sanction arising from the officials’ “dissatisfaction”; indeed, Twitter was only asked to join “other calls” to continue the dialogue

Basically, Twitter’s own lawyers are admitting in a court filing that the guy who owns their company is spewing utter nonsense about what the Twitter Files revealed. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything quite like this.

Guy takes over company because he’s positive that there are awful things happening behind the scenes. Gives “full access” to a bunch of very ignorant journalists who are confused about what they find. Guy who now owns the company falsely insists that they proved what he believed all along, leading to the revival of a preternaturally stupid lawsuit… only to have the company’s lawyers basically tell the judge “ignore our stupid fucking owner, he can’t read or understand any of this.”

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SchmuelyGeldgrubber says:

Thank god for progress

“This was hilariously stupid for many reasons, not the least of which is because at the time of the banning Donald Trump was the President of the United States, and these companies were very much private entities. The 1st Amendment restricts the government, not private entities, and it absolutely does not restrict private companies from banning the President of the United States should the President violate a site’s rules.”

Oh,ok. So a private company like Twitter can ban all jews then,right?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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So a private company like Twitter can ban all jews then,right?

Absolutely! If all jews behaved in such a way to violate the TOS, then yes, a private company can ban all the jews.

You see, they are being banned for their behavior and not their religion, ethnicity, etc.

That you fail to see the difference is a you problem.

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PaulT (profile) says:

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“Oh,ok. So a private company like Twitter can ban all jews then,right?”

No, because there’s other laws covering the refusal of service due to bigotry. Also, banning an individual for their own actions is not the same as banning a group of people for things they have not done as individuals.

This really isn’t hard, unless you’re deliberately trying to make it so.

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PaulT (profile) says:

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I mean, obviously. If someone’s looking at the situation with the modern far right and Musk’s attachment with them and they’re trying to claim they’re on the side of the Jews, they’re deluded. They certainly didn’t pay attention to the groups (gays, socialists, trade unions, etc.) that the old school Nazis attacked first if they think people are overreacting when they say “this seems familiar”.

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Brian says:

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Berenson is an anti-vaxxer who was rightly banned from twitter for spreading lies about Covid an Covid vaccines, probably leading to a number of people dying. He was reinstated on the cusp of Musk taking over because he had records of a then high-level Twitter employee having made very rash promises to him over his account not getting banned for his propoganda.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Biden Administration officials asked Twitter to ban Berenson and they did.

Considering Twitter’s own lawyers, filed in court, state that there was no instance where they were forced to make a moderation decision, who am I to believe…

Twitter’s lawyer via their court filing, or some rando in Techdirt’s comment section?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Biden Administration officials asked Twitter to ban Berenson and they did.

This is false. I mean, laughably false if you’re not a shit peddler.

The White House did ask Twitter about Berenson, and Twitter repeatedly pushed back on the White House explaining that he had not violated their policies. Months later he did violate their policies by pushing vaccine bullshit, and thus was banned.

He was reinstated because a VP at Twitter had (stupidly) told Berenson that he wasn’t going to get banned, which the court deemed a potential promise. So while ALL of the 1st Amendment claims Berenson made were tossed out as bullshit, the court allowed the case to move forward just on the promissory estoppel arguments, at which point Twitter decided it was best to just reinstate him and end the lawsuit rather than waste resources fighting it.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

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OMG YOU MEAN IT WAS THE WHITE HOUSE WHO DID IT TO ME!??!

My first 2 bans were followed with apologies because it shouldn’t have happened, so it had to be a deep state double secret letter writing thing…. not because a bunch of people gang reported me for kicks thinking they were getting someone else.

Here is an important thought for that sad little nugget of a brain rattling around in your head…
Sometimes its not an evil cabal out to get you, sometimes its because your a fucking asshole and people are tired of hearing you spew shit.
“Its because I’m conservative” is the best cop out ever because it lets you pretend that you’re under attack like your a minority that is being trampled by the all powerful woke mob… that can’t manage to do anything right… except secretly get you screwed over for being conservative…. because they are as powerful as they are inept…

I know this might come as a shock, but a majority of people don’t know who that idiot is, don’t care, and never even noticed he was banned. He’s not that important, no one cared that much to summon the lizard alien elders to issue a fatwa against him… he was a conspiracy theory screaming idiot and some people asked wasn’t the bullshit he was spewing violating the posted policy.

The problem is when you scream “they did it because I’m a conservative” the base lashes out and sends bomb threats, stalks people, destroys merch displays in discount retailers, never even asking what the situation was. Just because he was crawling under changing room doors to take upskirt pictures isn’t the REAL reason they trespassed him from the property, its because he is conservative.

MTG put out tweets calling for harm to other elected leaders, and when she got called out she wrapped herself in its because I am conservative!!!
When someone made a milder version of the comments MTG was making directed at her, she screamed bloody murder about it being a horrible attack only being allowed because she’s a conservative.

“Because I’m Conservative” is the new war on Christmas, it doesn’t exist beyond getting people to turn off their brains and take up the torches and pitchforks to defend you from the response to your actions coming home to roost.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Ignore your lying eyes!

To date, not a single document revealed has shown what people now falsely believe: that the US government and Twitter were working together to “censor” people based on their political viewpoints

Literally hundreds of documents have shown this.

But here comes the Masnick gaslight special:

The new materials do not plausibly suggest that Twitter suspended any of Plaintiffs’ accounts pursuant to any state-created right or rule of conduct.

Why does it have to be “rules based”?!? Why can’t it just be cuz they don’t like what the guy is saying? (That would be worse, not better).

But this isn’t the important bit, at all. I don’t think Trump got banned due to government request, he got banned due to ideological and political biases of twitter staff. Which while a huge frigging problem is totally legal.

But lots of people certainly DID get banned, or perhaps more nefariously shadow-banned per government request. “Rules -based” even. (not that that is the important bit)

And you’re trying to spin this one narrow case into “evidence” that gov-censorship-by-proxy didn’t happen in general when it clearly did, has been shown to have occurred, and none of your lying changes that.

You’re essentially saying “cuz this one car accident was not caused by drunk driving therefore drunk driving does not occur” and that’s not how any of that works and I’m left to wonder if you didn’t think it through or if this just more purposeful deception. Based on history, probably the latter.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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There’s a slack message from a Twitter employee that says: “…They had one really tough question about why Alex Berenson hasn’t been kicked off the platform”

So yes the White House did in fact pressure Twitter to ban Berenson. And then they did.

You’re jumping to conclusions here. You need to provide proof that the White house did in fact pressure Twitter to specifically ban Berenson and that Twitter specifically acted on that pressure out of the belief that they would otherwise be punished for not doing so.

You’re ignoring that it’s entirely possible that some people within Twitter (remember that “Twitter” isn’t a singular entity with a hivemind that all acts in unison and agreement in everything) decided to ban Berenson irrespective of any inquiries from the White House.

Where is your smoking gun evidence that you seem so confident exists?

In other words: [citation needed]

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Anonymous Coward says:

As always, the lying grifters are forced to acknowledge the truth under oath, in a court of law.

Funny how all their rationalizations, lies and total bullshit evaporate when there are consequences.

.. and then almost immediately after leaving the court room, lying to the public continues unabated.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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They’re trying to protect Twitter, yes, but they’re also telling the truth to keep their asses out of the proverbial fire. As I alluded to in an earlier comment, the Prenda Law dipshits learned the hard way what lying in court (among other things…) can do to a lawyer’s career.

That One Guy (profile) says:

'Now that perjury is a factor about those claims...'

I’m reminded of the whole Big Lie over the 2016 election where many a claim of fraud were made in front of cameras but put those same people in front of a judge where lying has the potential to result in very real penalties and suddenly the claims become strikingly different.

That said I hope these lawyers have a new client or two lined up because I suspect that after all but explicitly stating what a raging moron and/or dishonest buffoon Elon is they’re probably not going to be employed by the company for much longer.

Wyrm (profile) says:

Re: "This is not a fraud case, Your Honor."

I’m reminded of the whole Big Lie over the 2016 election where many a claim of fraud were made in front of cameras but put those same people in front of a judge where lying has the potential to result in very real penalties and suddenly the claims become strikingly different.

This was even worse. Some of Trump’s lawyers, including Giuliani, had to admit explicitly in court that their case was not a fraud case.

This article in Time lists several cases, including at least two examples where the lawyers admitted it explicitly and a few others where the lawyers simply avoided talking about fraud.

Because lying in court has consequences.

So these cases were just themselves a fraud that allowed Trump to pretend that he sued multiple states for fraud.

Because lying out of court is perfectly legal. Because lying is very much a valid and common strategy in this political landscape.

direwolff (profile) says:

Two things…

first, any thoughts on why Alex Berenson was able to win his case against Twitter, or at least got Twitter to settle? it will be popcorn worthy to see how he fares against Biden and Pfizer folks.

second, by way of analogy, as you know, the 4th amendment prohibits gov’t fm warrantless search and seizure. courts have ruled that gov’t’s collection of bulk online data w/o cause can violate this amendment. of course, these days the gov’t can buy the data to circumvent the prohibitions of the 4th amendment, since the data they buy can be purchased by anyone and is deemed as publicly available. there is the rub that the data in question, was not shared by users or collected by companies with the gov’t’s intended use in mind. so, we could argue that in a world where privacy, and how the data is to be used, should play a role in whether the gov’t s/b provided access. when the 4th amendment was created, and since it’s creation, no one could have imagined how the gov’t would plunder it. the specifics of this new use are certainly in question and something that congress should review. in other words, as new versions of behaviors that we find deplorable emerge that are not forbidden by the letter of the law even if they violate the spirit of the law, we try to address those.

the analog here is that while Twitter & the gov’t can claim that the posts that were removed for many of those that fall into the Current Thing’s favorite boogeyman (ie. anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, etc.), was just Twitter exercising their 1st amendment rights, knowing the context of the gov’t’s legislative attacks on the platform makes implicit gov’t coercion of the platform an equally valid perspective. after all, we can’t say that with law enforcement and so many legislators calling for Twitter’s head via various new proposed laws and regulations, that Twitter factored none of this into their considerations for honoring requests. while i realize there might be various interpretations of the Twitter Files, there do seem to be times where Twitter didn’t have a good reason to de-amplify or remove a post other than because attention was called to it by a gov’t related party.

so while you may be correct on your letter of the law analysis, that much if not all of this falls under the 1st amendment, there may be good reason to argue that we need a better coercion test to define when certain types of pressure s/b deemed coercive enough to negate the platform’s ability to exercise an honest 1st amendment assertion. kinda like having a gun to your head while telling people that the gunman is a great person 😉 no one could possibly believe you mean it even if you do.

just my $0.02…

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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there may be good reason to argue that we need a better coercion test to define when certain types of pressure s/b deemed coercive enough to negate the platform’s ability to exercise an honest 1st amendment assertion

If the government threatens Twitter with consequences for failing to enforce the government’s wishes, that’s coercion. If the government promises Twitter some sort of compensation in exchange for enforcing the government’s wishes, that is also coercion. How much better of a test do you need than that?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Something went wrong on a lot of social media sites insofar as the discussion of the origins of Covid was concerned, which was either a case of natural emergence or negligence leading to the world’s largest liability case.

Seems that from somewhere, there was an effort to prevent discussion about the liability possibility. That effort, involving Facebook, Twitter, etc seems to have been centrally orchestrated.

PaulT (profile) says:

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This does indeed seem to be how conspiracy theories gain traction. The world is a confusing place, and often things happen for no real reason, the good die young, the people who provide real value to humanity die in poverty, an individual can work hard and do all the “right” things but still end up with nothing.

But… there’s actually a shadowy deep state secretly controlling everything and every major world event is due to their design? Suddenly, nothing’s random, the bad things that happen to you are not your fault, the reason why great humanitarians died young yet the likes of Kissinger still live is because they’re lizard people / vampires. All of a sudden things make sense.

That’s what’s happened with all the COVID nonsense. It’s hard to accept that there was a random mutation of a virus that led to half the world being locked down in order to avoid deaths on a level previously seen in the middle ages. But, if you believe that it’s a secret bioweapon released to destroy western capitalism and inject people with mind controlling nanobots, there’s order there. It’s incredibly stupid and illogical, but it is a theory with reason and order behind it.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Dumb luck mixed with natural biology vs Global homicidal puppetmasters

But, if you believe that it’s a secret bioweapon released to destroy western capitalism and inject people with mind controlling nanobots, there’s order there. It’s incredibly stupid and illogical, but it is a theory with reason and order behind it.

The thing that blows me away is that if they were right the reality would be so much worse.

Okay, a bunch of people died and governments cracked down on their populations not because a highly infectious and deadly virus started spreading and killing people, aided by maskholes and nurgle cultists who’s selfishness and/or stupidity actively made things worse and gave the governments all the rope they needed but because a shadowy cabal of global manipulators were willing to deliberately release and spread a bioweapon and the previously mentioned groups ignored what the believed was a bioweapon and gave governments the excuse they needed to impose strict restrictions on the public including floating the idea of mandatory vaccines to implant mind-control/tracking chips because apparently they only now thought of that idea.

… Yay for an orderly explanation?

sorrykb (profile) says:

The thing that blows me away is that if they were right the reality would be so much worse.

Ah, but at least then there’d be a reason.

Without the conspiracy theory, we have to confront the reality that there’s no grand plan, no order, no anything to give all these horrible things meaning. There’s no rhyme or reason to any of it. It just happens.
That’s a lot to deal with.

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