Senator Brian Schatz Joins The Moral Panic With Unconstitutional Age Verification Bill
from the oh-stop-it dept
Senator Brian Schatz is one of the more thoughtful Senators we have, and he and his staff have actually spent time talking to lots of experts in trying to craft bills regarding the internet. Unfortunately, it still seems like he still falls under the seductive sway of this or that moral panic, so when the bills actually come out, they’re perhaps more thoughtfully done than the moral panic bills of his colleagues, but they’re still destructive.
His latest is… just bad. It appears to be modeled on a bunch of these age verification moral panic bills that we’ve seen in both red states and blue states, though Schatz’s bill is much closer to the red state version of these bills that is much more paternalistic and nonsensical.
His latest bill, with the obligatory “bipartisan” sponsor of Tom Cotton, the man who wanted to send our military into US cities to stop protests, is the “Protecting Kids On Social Media Act of 2023.”
You can read the full bill yourself, but the key parts are that it would push companies to use privacy intrusive age verification technologies, ban kids under 13 from using much of the internet, and give parents way more control and access to their kids’ internet usage.
Schatz tries to get around the obvious pitfalls with this… by basically handwaving them away. As even the French government has pointed out, there is no way to do age verification without violating privacy. There just isn’t. French data protection officials reviewed all the possibilities and said that literally none of them respect people’s privacy, and on top of that, it’s not clear that any of them are even that effective at age verification.
Schatz’s bill handwaves this away by basically saying “do age verification, but don’t do it in a way that violates privacy.” It’s like saying “jump out of a plane without a parachute, but just don’t die.” You’re asking the impossible.
I mean, clauses like this sound nice:
Nothing in this section shall be construed to require a social media platform to require users to provide government-issued identification for age verification.
But the fact that this was included kinda gives away the fact that basically every age verification system has to rely on government issued ID.
Similarly, it says that while sites should do age verification, they’re restricted from keeping any of the information as part of the process, but again, that raises all sorts of questions as to HOW you do that. This is “keep track of the location of this car, but don’t track where it is.” I mean… this is just wishful thinking.
The parental consent part is perhaps the most frustrating, and is a staple of the GOP state bills we’ve seen:
A social media platform shall take reasonable steps beyond merely requiring attestation, taking into account current parent or guardian relationship verification technologies and documentation, to require the affirmative consent of a parent or guardian to create an account for any individual who the social media platform knows or reasonably believes to be a minor according to the age verification process used by the platform.
Again, this is marginally better than the GOP bills in that it acknowledges sites need to “take into account” the current relationship, but that still leaves things open to mischief, especially as a “minor” in the bill is defined as anyone between the ages of 13 and 18, a period of time in which teens are discovering their own identities, and that often conflicts with their parents.
So, an LGBTQ child in a strict religious household with parents who refuse to accept their teens’ identity can block their kids entirely from joining certain online communities. That seems… really bad? And pretty clearly unconstitutional, because kids have rights too.
There’s also a prohibition on “algorithmic recommendation systems” for teens under 18. Of course, the bill ignores that reverse chronological order… is also an algorithm. So, effectively the law requires RANDOM content be shown to teens.
It also ignores that algorithms are useful in filtering out the kind of information that is inappropriate for kids. I get that there’s this weird, irrational hatred for the dreaded algorithms these days, but most algorithms are… actually helpful in better presenting appropriate content to both kids and adults. Removing that doesn’t seem helpful. It actually seems guaranteed to expose kids to even worse stuff, since they can’t algorithmically remove the inappropriate content any more.
Why would they want to do that?
Finally, the bill creates a “pilot program” for the Commerce Department to establish an official age verification program. While they frame this as being voluntary, come on. If you’re running a social media site and you’re required to do age verification under this bill (or other bills) are you going to use some random age verification offering out there, or the program set up by the federal government? Of course you’re going to go with the federal government’s, so if you were to ever get in trouble, you just say “well we were using the program the government came up with, so we shouldn’t face any liability for its failures.”
Just like the “verify but don’t violate people’s privacy” is handwaving, so is the “this pilot program is voluntary.”
This really is frustrating. Schatz has always seemed to be much more reasonable and open minded about this stuff, and its sad to see him fall prey to the moral panic about kids and the internet, even as the evidence suggests it’s mostly bullshit. I prefer Senators who legislate based on reality, not panic.
Filed Under: age verfication, algorithmic recommendations, brian schatz, kids and social media, moral panic, parental consent, think of the children, tom cotton


Comments on “Senator Brian Schatz Joins The Moral Panic With Unconstitutional Age Verification Bill”
So, verify the age of the user, but don’t keep any of the data?
… including whether the user was above or below the age to be verified?
That’s … not even a verification system.
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That’s the same shit the porn industry did in the 90s.
Every single one of these bills....
….when it comes to explaining how they’re supposed to accomplish the internally contradictory policies outlined within them, every single one of these bills just makes me thing of that classic Star Trek TNG scene where Q has been made mortal after being an effective god, and is trying to help them solve a problem in a system, and his explanation of how to solve the problem is
“Simple, you just change the gravitational constant of the universe”
“And how are we supposed to do that?”
“I don’t know, you just do it!”
Step 1, ban books you don’t like. Step 2, ban the internet so kids can’t find out what was in those books you didn’t like. Love living in this time of relentless illiberal regression.
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Proven Technique
Just count the rings!
Tech experts need to hammer on the head that the Internet is protected by the First Amendment per cases such as Reno v. ACLU and Packingham v. North Carolina. If you’re gonna craft a bill to regulate the Internet, you must craft it in a manner that complies with the First Amendment rights of platforms and their users.
The fact that a lot of lawmakers don’t understand this is why state and federal governments must have an Office of Technology Assessment to assist lawmakers in providing quantitative analysis on the bills they’re drafting, so that they don’t draft bills based on idiotic moral panics. Of course, Internet companies (including those who donate to lawmakers or have certain lawmakers as stockholders) tapping lawmakers on the shoulder and demanding they knock off the raft of unhelpful and potentially unconstitutional legislation would probably curb all of this, too.
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Congress, in its wisdom, killed the OTA in 1995.
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I imagine they got tired of being told ‘No you idiot, that’s not how any of that works and your bill would be a disaster as a result!’
How will age verification work in a world where one page can load or link content from a different site. Does that mean age verification whenever your browser fetches content from a different domain, including adverts, along with age verification every time you click a link?
So, effectively the law requires RANDOM content be shown to teens.
Yep, random content, along with age verification that doesn’t require any kind of verifiable ID, nor a record that it verified such information.
Perhaps joining with a senator from Arkansas, which is one of the bottom 10 for education, is just an obvious consequence. Especially in a Congress where red states will elect the biggest dumbass they can find to ‘own duh libs.’
You left out “while it’s in flight at cruising speed and altitude” a jump out of airplane can be trivially easy to survive if the plane is on the ground and not moving.
https://thinkwitty.com/2018/10/answer-to-the-jumping-from-the-plane-riddle.html
But then the folks proposing these type of laws are probably fine with a internet that’s as useful for it’s intended purpose as a grounded airplane
They can use the same age verification systems used by any alcohol related sites… because nobody would ever enter false info there. Are you over 18 yes… welcome. If the answer is no this loads another page where parent/guardian needs to click ok to approve access to the minor.
Parachutes
As this study in the British Medical Journal shows, it’s quite possible to jump from a plane safely, and parachutes don’t help.
If only the same were true of age verification.
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Did the paper’s researcher actually jump from a plane without a parachute to prove his theory?
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What, and repeat the same ethical breaches from the Stanford Prison Experiment?
Have you read the conclusion to that study?
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This is what i wanted ro point out. Surviving extreme falls from planes has happened.
Age verification, like their ideas about encryption, cannot happen.
Somehow, I don't think they thought this through...
Q: In Missouri, when the 12 yr old bride is planning her wedding, will she be able to choose the brides maids’ dresses online?
In Ohio, will the 10 yr old mother-to-be be able to sign up for free diapers & formula?
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Wait.
Red states give their female population that much autonomy?
I prefer Senators who don’t legislate. Much safer that way.
This legislation is problematic
This bill certainly presents some issues for red states that will need to be addressed.
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lmao they don’t need to apply just show up it’s all good.
When X is the only option then it's mandatory no matter the wording
Nothing in this section shall be construed to require a social media platform to require users to provide government-issued identification for age verification.
That word is where the trick comes into play by attempting to dump the problem on the platform and pretending that if they require government ID’s that’s on them.
‘We’re not requiring you to use government-issued ID’s, we’re just saying that you must age check your users with a viable method. If the only option is government ID’s then that’s your fault for not finding an alternative.’
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Any form of presented ID over the Internet is going to be unreliable unless they go very intrusive and require live video to verify that whoever is presenting the ID is the person identified in the ID. Further, without continuous video monitoring, there is no way to ensure that the person now using the logon is the person who carried out the logon. Any age verification system will just be more annoying than captchas, and largely remove anonymity online.
the great china firewall
even in china “age verification” doesn’t work! there every subject of there ruler is required to have an internet ID to get on the computer! so…even with there age limit game restrictions. the oppressed subjects still find a way around the government restrictions!
so what makes ANY government think it can do it better or the right way while protecting privacy! IT CAN’T!!!
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Mike Masnick gaslighting again
Mike would have you believe that requiring liquor store owners to check ID, or banks having Know Your Customer laws, is violative of a right to privacy under the fourth amendment to the United States Constitution.
The argument is of course absurd, because the US supreme court has already held that “stop and identify” statutes are themselves constitutional, and this has not been held to violate the 4th Amendment to the Constitution.
Instead what mike should have claimed is that there is a First Amendment right to anonymous speech, and that anything other than momentary retention of those identifications, violates that right to anonymity.
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A liquor checking an ID for age does not usually create a record of that action, and whoever does the check will forget the detail on the ID fairly quickly. Further, while that check matches the ID to the person presenting it, it can fail in it purpose when the ‘buyer’ hand the purchase over to the underage person who asked them to buy for them.
Trying to do age verification on the Internet will fail to achieve it aims even more often as it is very intrusive to validate that the person is offering their own ID or proof of age, or is not carrying out the logon for an underage person. Other than requiring an age check for every embed or link, a cookie will be required to carry age information between sites, and that will be turned into tracking cookie, and break protection built into browsers to prevent cross domain cookie tracking.
Age verification on the Internet will become a privacy and security nightmare, and eliminate anonymity, while making ID theft the way that crooks protect themselves online.
A way to do age verification
Must be 18 to use this site.
If you are under age 18, click here so you can give us all your private info allowing us to verify that you are not allowed to use this site.
If you are over age 18, click here to skip the mandatory age verification process for minors.
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Dang it. Forgot to turn on the vpn.