Microsoft Ditches Twitter From Its Ads Platform… So Elon Announces Plans To Sue Microsoft
from the not-how-any-of-this-works dept
Elon Musk seems to take a personal affront to anyone who says “dude, we’re not going to pay your crazy prices for stuff.” For example, he pulled the NY Times “verified” badge weeks before everyone else was set to lose it after they announced they wouldn’t pay.
Now, Microsoft has announced that it is dropping Twitter from its Smart Campaigns advertising platform, in part because of the $42,000 per month API fee (the “small” package) that Musk is trying to charge. This comes right after Intercom, one of the giant customer support companies, which many organizations use to manage their customer support work on Twitter, announced that it was also dropping Twitter support from its platform over Musk’s API fees.
The Microsoft move is a big deal, because it means even fewer advertisers will likely be putting ads on Twitter. But, Microsoft realizes that it’s just not worth it to pay the ridiculous fee for very little benefit, so it has told customers that Twitter will be gone as of next week.

Musk, in his typical fashion, responded by throwing a little tantrum, and suggesting he’s going to sue Microsoft… for “illegal” use of Twitter data.

“They trained illegally using Twitter data. Lawsuit time” the man says.
This is another tell from Musk. I mean, he made the same bullshit claim about Substack after he had the company (temporarily) block users from interacting with any tweet that had a Substack link in it, claiming (falsely) that Substack was “trying to download a massive portion of the Twitter database to bootstrap their Twitter clone.”

So, yeah, this lawsuit is not happening, or if it does, I don’t expect it to go well for Musk and Twitter. Contrary to Musk’s belief, he doesn’t have any sort of intellectual property rights over data on Twitter. Claims that Microsoft did something “illegal” in using Twitter’s data seems massively unlikely. I’m guessing he’s making some sort of swipe at OpenAI, which Microsoft backed and which Elon is at war with (despite helping to found it).
Musk has complained a few times in the past that some of OpenAI’s training data was from Twitter, but… that’s legal. “Training” on data means reading the data, and as long as the data is public, then it’s open to be read, and used in such a manner.
Still, there’s a larger point here: beyond the stupidity of his current API pricing, why would any business feel comfortable trusting important business to Twitter when the company’s owner and CEO acts like a petulant child in response to a company not wishing to pay his extortionate fees?
This is why Twitter is failing. Elon Musk himself is a liability. He’s the one driving advertisers and partners away.
I keep seeing others in Silicon Valley trying to tiptoe around this, and try to piece together some grand plan here, just like Republicans did with Trump during his administration. You have to get over it. There is no grand strategy. There is a petulant, immature, rich kid, who has spent too long surrounded by suck ups and yes men, who has no one who will tell him that he is the problem.
Twitter wasn’t a great business, and was primed for a big shakeup. And maybe it needed new management. But there were ways to shake up Twitter that didn’t literally drive away much of its revenue due entirely to the CEO’s own antics. Even when he has good ideas (encrypting DMs, promoting the premium subscription features) he seems to still fuck it up. There were wide open ways to improve Twitter.
And instead he’s throwing temper tantrums when faced with the consequences of his own actions.
Filed Under: api, data, elon musk, lawsuit threats, pricing, temper tantrum, training
Companies: microsoft, twitter


Comments on “Microsoft Ditches Twitter From Its Ads Platform… So Elon Announces Plans To Sue Microsoft”
Elon simply can’t understand that the free market is simply acting like it always does: away from white supremacists and neoConfederates.
Not even Clarance Thomas would let this stand, there is nothing to make a case of.
lol sure, his new head of legal–the guy who’s only got 4 years as an associate under his belt–to tackle Tech Disney on made up charges.
hope he sues in delaware!!
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FWIW, it’s not even four years. The guy only passed the bar in 2021. While there were reports that he was working since 2018, at the time he was still in law school.
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He’ll likely sue in Nevada.
Here’s hoping Nevada’s judges are just as sharp.
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Musk needs to stop making it so hard to defend him. The checks from SpaceX are starting to slow down.
More to the point, afaik Twitter doesn’t own tweets. They have a license to host tweets, but they do not actually own the copyright on the actual words. Musk/X/Twitter does not have standing.
Saying that any data which is public is up for grabs is an interesting theory, which I will be testing when my ebook “The Collected Techdirt – Highlights from 26 years on the Internet” goes on sale next week. All proceeds to the ‘Buy me a new couch’endowment fund.
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“Saying that any data which is public is up for grabs is an interesting theory”
And one which isn’t advanced here. Reading data is different from copying, reproducing, or selling it.
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Uh huh. And AI training data isn’t copied, reproduced, or sold. I’ve got a bridge for you to pay me to look at.
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The “I’ve got a bridge” trope is my copyrighted material and by adapting it to fit your comment you are infringing on that copyright. Please pay $130.72 per use of the “I’ve got a bridge” trope to Anonymous Coward Enterprises Ltd. by end of month. Our collections team will be in contact with you if you want to use the trope in the future.
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It’s in the public domain. As in, actually in the public domain and not just accessable through the internet.
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Probably not. At least, there is zero evidence that it is.
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True, reading data is different from copying, reproducing, or selling it – except even if Microsoft was doing any of those things, Twitter has no standing to bring a suit. The individual user whose tweets are copied might have – unless one of the legal exceptions applies, it would be a copyright violation – but Twitter has no copyright interest at play. They don’t own what’s published, the person who wrote it does.
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“Saying that any data which is public is up for grabs is an interesting theory”
Is that what is being said though?
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Please explain what else these words, in this order, could otherwise mean.
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Let’s go with what it doesn’t mean – it doesn’t mean you can collect volumes of peoples’ Tweets and just publish them in a book, like in the story upthread. There is fair use, but you have to use fairly.
As for the techdirt comment upthread, lmao, someone should get a grip on techdirt’s policies.
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So what does it mean then, if anything?
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It means that reading and extrapolating data that is publicly available to be viewed by anyone for free is not copying, reproducing, or selling that data, and thus isn’t a copyright violation. The only thing that AI learning programs do with the data is read it and extrapolate it, so there is no copyright violation.
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You are asking the wrong person
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If someone says “that’s not what that means”, they must surely have some idea of what it does mean? Unless they’re just saying nuh-uh like a toddler.
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They asked if that what was meant. That is not an assertion that they know what it means.
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“Saying that any data which is public is up for grabs is an interesting theory,”
It usually is, though. Especially when it’s in the form of training data, which is more akin to “person reads comments, rewrites one in different words with other influences later” than it is “person copies comment verbatim and tried to take credit”.
“I will be testing when my ebook “The Collected Techdirt – Highlights from 26 years on the Internet” goes on sale next week”
Mike’s said many times over the years that this is a weak argument and he’s OK with TD content being reused honestly. He’d probably have a problem if you lie about what was written, but he’s generally indicated that “you don’t like the current state copyright therefore it’s OK if I steal articles” is not something that works.
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I thought copyright infringement wasn’t and couldn’t be theft?
And if he objects to the most obvious and basic consequence of Techdirt’s proposals for fixing copyright, maybe he needs to have a bit of a rethink
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It isn’t, which is why Masnick has never said that you couldn’t just make a copy of Techdirt’s articles and print them for money. But if that’s all your business proposal has, don’t be surprised when it doesn’t make you back the money you used to print the articles.
Again, he doesn’t object to it. Neither is “making all your content free” his proposal for fixing copyright. If your takeaway from Techdirt is “lol I’ll just print all your articles so I can make the money instead of you”, perhaps you’re the one who needs a rethink.
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Fuck it, why do I keep expecting commentors on a tech blog to give a shit about author’s rights.
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What an odd response to people correcting you.
No one said anything about disrespecting author’s rights. Authors have rights. So does the public. Certain information is not locked up under copyright and therefore is open for using, which is a benefit to the public.
We’re not talking about author’s rights here, because we’re talking about information that is, fundamentally, not covered by copyright.
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Because you’re on an obvious fishing expedition and we’ve already been trained for decades picking out RIAA/Prenda Law-level lies, defending consumer-unfriendly practices under the guise of copyright and artist protection.
Now run away or we shall debunk you a second time.
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How’s that Bayside Advisory defense fund coming along, bro?
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They will appeal and they will win.
They WILL WIN.
They will win I tell you! They will!
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Cope.
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Send Mike a complimentary copy, as he has stated anybody is free to copy Techdirt content.
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Why would I do that?
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Cool! Send me a link when it’s up. I’ll buy a copy.
Suing your customers is never a smart move, and for leaving of all things? That’s an endgame move only making sense once you have given up on acquiring any new customer. This raises more red flags than the Chinese Communist Party.
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Even he knows he can’t sue them for leaving – so he made some shit up to sue them over (lolsuit) suddenly, because they are leaving.
He is the maximum assclown.
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OK, so he is not suing them for leaving but over leaving. Same message: “don’t touch us with a ten-foot pole, we are toxic”.
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It wasn’t meant as an argument to what was posted, but an addition. Yes, exactly, Twitter is like one of those colourful South American frogs. Good point.
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Good point. No contract in place with Microsoft, no case.
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If a customer leaves and you have a contract with them, you can sue. No contract, you have nothing. As a customer, you allow me to put a bag of potato chips in your story, so my friends can look at the bag. Then you want to sue me when I stop putting bags of chips in your store. Maybe I should sue when you don’t return (re:delete) all my bags if chips?
Elon: It's not burning enough, get me more gas to pour on it!
Ah yes, threatening to sue a major company for having the audacity to imply that you’re too much of a toxic liability for them to want to have anything to do with and your demands for ‘payment’ are laughably unreasonable, truly the sign of a business genius.
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What’s in your wallet?
Jeez, he has all the emotional stability of a 12 year old hitting puberty.
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Actually, given all his recent acts, he’d probably be wise to have his nads and other glands checked for cancerous or other hot spots.
It’s not just puberty that can trigger hormonal-induced erratic behavior. And half the populace is skipping the monthly training regimen necessary for a robust self-estimate.
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The silly bastard is injecting himself with Ozempic. God knows what that’s doing to his already malfunctioning brain.
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Maybe he is confusing it with disinfectant? You know, the kind of thing a stable genius would inject themselves with in order to treat COVID-19?
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Is he a diabetic then? If he isn’t it is a pretty stupid thing to do.
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Yes, but when has that ever stopped a weight loss craze?
https://www.thecut.com/2023/02/celebrities-ozempic-kyle-richards-khloe-kardashian.html
Maybe Bing and Google will stop searching on TwitHole. 🤔
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Twitter is not failing for its users, Mike. In fact, it’s better than ever. You have an unhealthy obsession with denigrating Musk and criticizing his proven business & management skills and demonstrated leadership abilities. In fact, you sound just like former President Trump, whining about “failing [media]” (paraphrasing).
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Damn, Matthew, stop posting as your entire fucking family. They didn’t deserve you.
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Great, then they won’t miss my users for IT alerts when things go wrong. Not going to pay the API fee and have already pulled the functionality from current stable branch.
Truth is an absolute defense to defamation. Or denigration for that matter.
Would those be the same skills a colliuge of mine that worked for Musk describes as infantile and moronic?
Yes Matthew, but most of us really would rather not follow him into his decent into the eighth level of Deante’s Inferno.
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Said the handful of users who stayed, because they like that sort of thing, but also imagining anything somehow got better.
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I see about as much—if not more—harassment, more bigotry, more ads, fewer good and/or relevant ads, at least as many bots, more pop-ups asking me to pay for Twitter Blue, more posts on topics or from users I don’t care about, and fewer posts on topics and from users I do care about. Also, Blue Checkmarks are a joke now instead of a point of pride or something actually useful, and there are more absurd issues like the surprise shutdown and the time everyone saw all of Musk’s Tweets in their timeline rather than people they actually followed. Oh, and there was the whole kerfuffle over services that use Twitter’s APIs and posting links to other social media accounts by the same user, which I had found useful in the past.
Maybe it’s improved for you, but that is far from a universal opinion.
Go Elon! MS screwed the world continually, dropping support for operating systems to maximize profits, demanding people upgrade or suffer consequences. Bill gates still sucks.
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