Florida Legislators Push Bills Aimed At Making It More Difficult To Film Cops
from the who-decides-what-14-feet-actually-is dept
A number of stupid lawmakers have attempted to basically outlaw filming cops by proposing imaginative legislation that would prevent all but the most ineffective documentation of public employees performing their public duties.
You can’t outlaw filming police. The First Amendment pretty much prevents that, even if case law in judicial circuits is still not completely settled. What you can do is create new offenses that give officers a reason to arrest people for filming then, including people wandering within a circumference that’s wholly defined by the officer enforcing it.
So far, it’s only the state of Arizona that has managed to outlaw recording of cops, as long as the recording isn’t far enough away from the scene of the action. Other states have tried (Texas said 25 feet before shrinking it to 20 feet, which was then followed by an abandonment of this effort) but Florida legislators seem intent on limiting outside documentation of police activities.
This opinion piece published at Yahoo attacks the law, but it unfortunately opens with a poorly worded paragraph that might muddle the issue before anyone can get to the rest of the piece. It calls it this effort “witness intimidation legislation,” a term that suggests the state wants to limit witness intimidation when, in fact, it’s actually trying to intimidate witnesses of police misconduct.
This is more to the point:
If passed, this legislation would allow police officers greater authority to harass and criminalize people for documenting their use of excessive force. It would make it illegal to approach within 20 feet of a police officer (and, in the case of the Senate bill, other first responders) effectively criminalizing, with fines and jail time, the filming of police at close proximity.
All of this is true. The state Senate version makes it illegal to approach any “first responder” within 14 feet with the intent to “impede, provoke, or harass.” The House version is pretty much the same thing, but with a 20-foot radius. Both define harassment as any act that “causes emotional distress” and “serves no legitimate purpose.” That last stipulation might prove handy in court. Many courts consider filming police officers to be a legitimate act of public service and preemptively covered by the First Amendment.
Both versions are equally terrible in other ways. They both criminalize the production of sound — the criminality of which will apparently be left up to the discretion of the police officer at the scene.
Harass the first responder or make so much noise that a first responder is prevented from performing their official duties or providing medical aid.
I have yet to hear any first responder (referring only to EMS units and/or firefighters) being so deterred by bystanders’ noise they could not do their jobs. In fact, I’ve never heard about any first responder being sued by someone for violating their First Amendment rights by preventing them from recording the incident and/or being too close to the action. Almost everyone understands first responders of this sort are there to save lives and prevent/limit injury. They give them their space and respect their requests to give them more space.
That’s one of several reasons this legislation is bullshit. It tries to treat cops as first responders when first responders are always there to save lives, rather than harm them. First responders don’t mind being filmed because they’re generally engaged in actually heroic acts.
Cops, on the other hand, wander into bad situations and make them worse. They aren’t there to save lives. Even when they’re specifically asked to save lives, they often prefer to take them. That’s why cops don’t want to be filmed and that’s why shitty legislators are writing shitty legislation and pushing it through the legislature by pretending people are routinely harassing actual heroes, rather than just bad cops doing bad things.
These are proposals solely meant to push people bringing accountability to cops further back. This gives cops a reason to arrest people for filming them. This is an attempt to codify an imaginary radius, where 14-20 feet will be whatever a cop needs it to be when too many citizens are doing too much filming. Laws like these were never proposed before every citizen started carrying a camera in their pocket. Now, with most of the population wielding smartphones, suddenly laws like these are “needed” to protect insanely powerful public employees from the people they serve. It’s bullshit. And hopefully both of these proposals will die under the weight of their own pretenses before reaching the governor’s desk.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, filming police, florida, harassment, transparency


Comments on “Florida Legislators Push Bills Aimed At Making It More Difficult To Film Cops”
My take is that if you are a Law Enforcement Officer, and you are “Emotionally Distressed” by someone filming your activities, maybe you should a) not be doing those activities that warrant someone filming you, or b) not be a law enforcement officer. I mean, you have to deal with people who are not in the best state of mind in the first place, that in itself can cause “Emotional Distress”.
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Willing to take on a job, knowing of the possibility that you may very well be the target of gunfire, but the prospect of being filmed is unacceptable.
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Willing to take on a job, knowing of the possibility that
youinnocent people may very well be the target of [your] gunfire,butso the prospect of being filmed is unacceptable.Re:
I wish my last three jobs had cared as much about my emotional health as police departments do about their employees’. Maybe I should become a cop.
We can’t do our jobs if we are held responsible for our own actions:- US cops.
In Indiana as well
It is the same in Indiana: House Bill 1186 requiring a 25-foot “bubble” around police at a scene has just been signed by the governor.
this just seems like mixed messaging to me. if the cops wanted to stop people from using their phone, they should just shoot them as soon as the phone is out and claim it’s a gun, like usual!
They will not avoid the telephoto / stabilized cams of the paparazzi.
Ahh, police…so selfless, brave, and noble!
Yet the presence of a mere cell phone can disorient and paralyze them with fear, and fill their underwear with copious amounts of shit! Will no one think of the poor police, not only having to defend themselves from the onslaught and carnage these phones bring but having to walk around with a nappie full of shit until they can change?
Maybe if we start calling cell phones what they are – assault weapons – we can save these cops from life-altering disabilities, depression, and severe PTSD.
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Oh, but if you call them assault weapons then it becomes legal to carry them everywhere you want, per the Second Amendment.
When I lived in LA, LAPD sacred like they were Always on film (think, action movie).
Never thought I’d say LAPD should teach a class.
How's their line go, 'If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide'?
Ah US cops, the most coddled and unintentionally mocked profession in the country…
From judges who treat them as the dumbest people on the planet to legislators who imply extremely strongly that they are so pathetically fragile that looking at them will cause serious emotional distress that they need to be protected from, cops enjoy the contrasting(and horrifying) viewpoints of being considered too dumb to have any thoughts of their own but smart enough to be given a gun and license to use it.
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Oh fuck I’m going to cum!
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no one cares, you disgusting child
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It’s copsucker davec, did you expect anything less?
Pain
So if I understand this law correctly, if I’m screaming at the top of my lungs in agony after being injured, causing emotional distress to every one on scene, I could be charged providing I survive?
it is only about getting votes
“And hopefully both of these proposals will die under the weight of their own pretenses before reaching the governor’s desk.”
It will get to his desk and DeSantis will sign it.
For DeSantis and his lackeys – it is only about getting votes.
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The thing with PR stunts is that unless you really misread your intended audience your actions will match what they consider admirable and acceptable, so if laws like this are what he considers a good move to get votes that says some pretty horrible things about his supporters.
better idea....have a "put first amendment auditors out of business" bill.
ya! i know sounds crazy, right! but the concept is simple! have the blue lies mafia do there fucking job the right way the first time! i mean after all.. if the auditors are only after clicks! like the the blue lies mafia likes to claim. then doing your job the right way shouldn’t be a problem! and the auditors wouldn’t be getting the clicks because you fucked up! crazy concept right!
and before we go… just a few more things that would help put out that dumpster fire!
a few things that need to be done at the federal level. DOJ are you listening?
ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE:
any time an officer is placed on administrative leave it will be UNPAID leave.
ONLY if laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have NOT been violated, then they will be eligible for back pay.
IF ANY laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have been violated, then NO back pay.
PENDING INVESTIGATIONS:
if an officer is being investigated for _______. the investigation whether pending, started or ended will be considered “OPEN” if they quit before any discipline is handed out. also they will NOT be able to move on to the next agency over or receive retirement funds and any other benefits until pending case is resolved.
Any officer under investigation….The investigation should still be completed and any valid charges still processed.
BODY CAMS:
ALL law enforcement police, FBI, DEA, CBP, ICE and any other law enforcement agency shall have and use body cams.
body cams will be turned on prior to an incident or as soon as possible and are to NOT be turned off, muted or paused until after the conclusion of the incidence.
USE OF FORCE:
MANDATORY MINIMUMS OF 2X the max. shall be enforced upon conviction.
CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD:
shall replace internal affairs. it shall have full investigative powers. it shall have the authority to file charges.
LOCALE DAs/ POLICE:
will not be able to decide if police are not charged for there crimes. also they will be bared from investigating local cops. they must refer these cases to nan outside investigation.
POLICE UNION(S):
shall only be limited to negotiating pay, leave time, vacation, sick leave, benefits. anything else is NON-NEGOTIABLE.
TRAINING:
there shall be a 2yr training program. then when hired the first 2yr period is probation with no gun. then the next probation period is a year with gun after they prove themselves to be responsible. so in total it would require 5 yrs. to go from training to fully certified.
DISCIPLINE/ COMPLAINT RECORDS:
any and all complaints (founded and unfounded), discipline, suspensions shall be placed in a national database. these records are to be held from training to 20yr after retirement and/or death.
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Florida, the penis of Amerika, leads the way, blazing the trail to take this country into a dark, dank, dystopian Fascist future. We will be left only able to march into the ovens in our jackboots, as diminishing numbers of what may be left of us vaguely remember what once was a very promising nation. We will worship the likes of Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis with the awe-driven reverence once reserved for George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, among others to be forgotten. Have a nice day.
Filming Police
Filming officers is an effective way of keeping them honest and transparent. Too many take advantage of the little power they have and regularly falsify legal documents ( police reports) to cover for the fact that they aren’t doing their jobs as required. Filming also aids in keeping them honest in situations where drugs and money maybe involved.Skimming has become common place and pocketing money. I’ve seen it and lived it many
times, these are not allegations. This is a matter of someone who were supposed to be able to trust, acting no better than those they are charging. Welcome to Reality
They are going to be filmed
Period. Nothing can prevent it. You surveil us, we surveil you. Suck it.
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The point isn’t to make recording impossible though I imagine a large percentage of cops would be downright thrilled if it was outright impossible to film them, rather the point is to intimidate members of the public into not filming at all and give cops the legal cover to harass and/or arrest anyone who does that they don’t like who either just gets on their nerves or is recording something they don’t want seen.
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“The point isn’t to make recording impossible ”
Reminds me of the effort to force cam makers to include a kill switch for cops. What ever happened to that?
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oh no:
How Cops and Hackers Could Abuse California’s New Phone Kill-Switch Law
https://www.wired.com/2014/08/how-cops-and-hackers-could-abuse-californias-new-phone-kill-switch-law/
Legislators' oath?
Don’t Florida legislators have to swear an oath to uphold and defund the constitution?
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I believe you mean “defend”. I don’t think we fund the Constitution.
why do so many official bodies want to quicken the USA into ‘a police state? why do they also want to remove any and all rights the people have, not just to protect themselves but also to trust and rely on the law to help them? cant anyone see how we’re heading at full steam towards the rulings we fought against during WWII? we’re gonna be the same where the rich do whatever they want and the ordinary people struggle to survive, in every sense of the word!
Pre-Election Theatre is the worst
This is one of a number of bills they’ve passed that are explicitly opposite the wording of past SCOTUS decisions. Not sure about this one, but the other one this week (expanding what the death penalty can be for) in the text of the bill mentions the two SCOTUS decisions it is in direct opposition to and says those decisions were decided wrongly.
So basically it’s a bunch of bills designed so the governor gets to have national recognition and media attention just before he runs for president.
If they actually cared about any of these issues I could almost understand, but they are just blatant ways to get the governor publicity.
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If they actually cared about any of these issues I could almost understand, but they are just blatant ways to get the governor publicity